Minnesota

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7 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

2nd only to Oakland, by size comparison, in abysmal officer to population ratio.  But, you would think people would beating down the door with marketing like this…

-Initiatives include a $1 million "Imagine Yourself" recruitment campaign launched in 2024 to attract diverse and younger candidates 

-30x30 Initiative to boost female recruits to 30% by 2030

I can't imagine an actual patriot wanting that job. Putting your life on the line every day? In that state? There's better ways to make a living.

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18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m not sure what you expect them to do.  Apparently @Strike thinks every DHS officer should have a MPD escort.  Is that what you think as well?  The chief clearly says they have 600 officers and there are thousands of DHS officers, it would be impossible to do that.

I don’t disagree MPD is understaffed, whether intentional or otherwise. But, it’s not like they would be tripping over themselves to help if they had 6000 officers.  They’re rhetoric and policy against corporation with ICE is long standing, and has certainly ramped up since 2024

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56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why does Minneapolis have so few police officers? 

Because it was a safe place to live before ICE showed up.

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8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

They’re rhetoric and policy against corporation with ICE is long standing, and has certainly ramped up since 2024

Link?

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6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Because it was a safe place to live before ICE showed up.

Was it safer when they had 900 cops?

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26 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

2nd only to Oakland, by size comparison, in abysmal officer to population ratio.  But, you would think people would beating down the door with marketing like this…

-Initiatives include a $1 million "Imagine Yourself" recruitment campaign launched in 2024 to attract diverse and younger candidates 

-30x30 Initiative to boost female recruits to 30% by 2030

In the clip you posted the chief seems to blame the reduction in officers on “the destruction of the city after 2020,” which doesn’t really sound like something an extreme liberal would say if that’s what you’re implying 

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Link?

Well, if you haven’t seen the ramp up in rhetoric, I’m not sure what to tell you.  Policies were revised last year to specify any interaction to be approved by Deputy Chief, outlined discipline for anyone cooperating without approval, made it illegal for ICE to even gather on city property, etc. 

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Civil unrest is the calling card of tge modern democrat party.  Insurrection Act needs invoked.  

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Well, kind of.  MPD doesn’t look at ICE as a collective.  They will render assistance to individual ICE agents who may need help, as they would any other citizen, which they are required to by law.  That’s it. That’s not “back up”, that’s a citizen 911 call. Also, though I have no idea what context LC was eluding to.

So when you say “back up,” do you think that’s supposed to mean assist in immigration enforcement?  Because that’s all the policies you just mentioned refer to.

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17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In the clip you posted the chief seems to blame the reduction in officers on “the destruction of the city after 2020,” which doesn’t really sound like something an extreme liberal would say if that’s what you’re implying 

The city was destroyed. By democrats. Glad to see it finally acknowledged. 

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13 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Civil unrest is the calling card of tge modern democrat party.  Insurrection Act needs invoked.  

What Party currently controls the presidency and Congress?

This is Trump’s America. Blaming democrats for the actions of your own guy is as brainless as it gets.

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30 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Civil unrest is the calling card of tge modern democrat party.  Insurrection Act needs invoked.  

MAGA ladies and gentlemen. Dumb, gullible, and traitorous. Putting Trump over America since 2016.

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21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So when you say “back up,” do you think that’s supposed to mean assist in immigration enforcement?  Because that’s all the policies you just mentioned refer to.

What I’m saying is, if ICE legitimately needs help, MPD is responding to basically assist armed individual citizens. They’re not responding in a mindset of “officer needs assistance”.  They’re basically going because, I’m sure in MN statute, responsibilities of duties to act are spelled out.  Their intention, no matter what the circumstances, is that they are not going with the mindset to assist another law enforcement agency.

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16 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What I’m saying is, if ICE legitimately needs help, MPD is responding to basically assist armed individual citizens. They’re not responding in a mindset of “officer needs assistance”.  They’re basically going because, I’m sure in MN statute, responsibilities of duties to act are spelled out.  Their intention, no matter what the circumstances, is that they are not going with the mindset to assist another law enforcement agency.

Their job is to keep the people in their city safe.   Their job is not to enforce federal immigration law.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Their job is to keep the people in their city safe.   Their job is not to enforce federal immigration law.

I literally never said that in this entire conversation. 

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3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I literally never said that in this entire conversation. 

But that’s all the recent policy changes you mentioned refer to - that they do not assist in federal immigration enforcement.

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I am interested to see how the relationship between the right and left goes from here.

The left gets more radicalized by the day. We will never see eye to eye with them at all politically. So what happens from here? How do we resolve this growing divide?

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11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Their job is to keep the people in their city safe.   Their job is not to enforce federal immigration law.

Well they let two of their constituents die this week by not isolating them from ICE/BP so they're doing a piss poor job if their job is to keep people in their city safe.

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well they let two of their constituents die this week by not isolating them from ICE/BP so they're doing a piss poor job if their job is to keep people in their city safe.

How long are weeks in your world?

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16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

But that’s all the recent policy changes you mentioned refer to - that they do not assist in federal immigration enforcement.

 

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

If ICE calls the PD requesting backup 

Ok I’m done.  I have no idea where you going with this now.  I got in this to confirm there is no calls for “back up” in the traditional sense, they’re only going to help because they have to. They have no desire to help. ICE can’t even communicate with MPD.  It would have to be a 911 call.  

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2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

Ok I’m done.  I have no idea where you going with this now.  I got in this to confirm there is no calls for “back up” in the traditional sense, they’re only going to help because they have to. They have no desire to help. ICE can’t even communicate with MPD.  It would have to be a 911 call.  

This is not how agencies operate with each other. Hack is clueless. Don’t bother. 

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2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

Ok I’m done.  I have no idea where you going with this now.  I got in this to confirm there is no calls for “back up” in the traditional sense, they’re only going to help because they have to. They have no desire to help. ICE can’t even communicate with MPD.  It would have to be a 911 call.  

When I said “backup,” I was referring to in the sense that either one of DHS’s officers or the public was in danger.  You seem to be thinking that “backup” means helping ICE pickup some landscapers from the Home Depot.

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

 

Ok I’m done.  I have no idea where you going with this now.  I got in this to confirm there is no calls for “back up” in the traditional sense, they’re only going to help because they have to. They have no desire to help. ICE can’t even communicate with MPD.  It would have to be a 911 call.  

MPD posted a website showing the history of regular cooperation with DHS. DHS decided to burn that bridge; we all can see that plainly by them refusing to let MPD investigate when they killed a Minnesota resident in Minnesota. You’re getting it twisted.

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Look, the National Guard shows how to work WITH the people of Minnesota.

 

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

What Party currently controls the presidency and Congress?

This is Trump’s America. Blaming democrats for the actions of your own guy is as brainless as it gets.

You support a bunch of lawless savages. Your party funds these savage as part of their never ending quest to cause unrest.   

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

MPD posted a website showing the history of regular cooperation with DHS. DHS decided to burn that bridge; we all can see that plainly by them refusing to let MPD investigate when they killed a Minnesota resident in Minnesota. You’re getting it twisted.

You don’t understand what I’m talking about. 

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Where’s MPD??? They said they would be there for damage to property!!! 

 

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11 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Where’s MPD??? They said they would be there for damage to property!!! 

 

Well I guess this might be why that Hilton property didn’t want them staying there 

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17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Where’s MPD??? They said they would be there for damage to property!!! 

 

This hotel might be in Bloomington, not Minneapolis 

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This hotel might be in Bloomington, not Minneapolis 

Sorry, I guess I shouldn’t assume “Downtown Minneapolis” in the tweet actually means ”Downtown Minneapolis” 

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33 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Sorry, I guess I shouldn’t assume “Downtown Minneapolis” in the tweet actually means ”Downtown Minneapolis” 

Well you shouldn’t automatically assume random x posters are telling the truth.  Doesn’t look like downtown to me, where are the rest of the city buildings?  Could be in a different part of Minneapolis though.  Actually it looks like it might be “University Area.”  But I did see that there had previously been protests at the Home2 in Bloomington. 

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25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well you shouldn’t automatically assume random x posters are telling the truth.  Doesn’t look like downtown to me, where are the rest of the city buildings?  Could be in a different part of Minneapolis though.  Actually it looks like it might be “University Area.”  But I did see that there had previously been protests at the Home2 in Bloomington. 

Idiot

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11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Idiot

Too kind

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18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Idiot

I’m about 99% sure that is the Home2 University Area, which is not downtown.  The x poster was not correct 

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23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Idiot

Btw your favorite source thinks that hotel is in St Paul.   They are also not correct 

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Where’s MPD??? They said they would be there for damage to property!!! 

 

MPD is there

https://nypost.com/2026/01/25/us-news/anti-ice-protesters-swarm-st-paul-hotel-they-believe-is-housing-fed-agents/