"A Treasonous Conspiracy" - DNI Gabbard Exposes Obama At Center Of Trump 'Russia Hoax'

[RLLD 4,252]

Let's be real, not much will come of this.  It would be pointless to go after Obama, he is not an amateur, I am confident he made sure to have plausible deniability on this.  In fact, going after Obama on this to me is just more of the same stuff they did to Trump.....though we now have confirmation through this release that it was all fabrication against him at least.

I think it appropriate to go after all those minions who served Obama's desire to throw mud at Trump, at least hold them to account for their lies. In the process the legacy of Obama get suitably marred....which is enough I think.

Of course they were lying, we can look back now and see that pretty much everything they ever said was a complete lie..... 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

It’s not pointless. Let Obama get up there and plead the fifth. Over and over.  

[RLLD 4,252]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s not pointless. Let Obama get up there and plead the fifth. Over and over.  

Nah....

I can see from the circumstantial evidence that he orchestrated this unseemly effort, but those minions did not have to be corrupt and follow that action.  Lets get them, they would be easy, and through that effort Obama can be suitably marred for history, exposing that MF'er for the filth he clearly is

[MDC 7,485]

This breakthrough on the Russia Russia Russia case really came at a fortuitous time for Don! I’ve totally forgotten about his links to a child sex trafficking ring!  

[RLLD 4,252]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

This breakthrough on the Russia Russia Russia case really came at a fortuitous time for Don! I’ve totally forgotten about his links to a child sex trafficking ring!  

Full circle.....Russia Collusion is apparently no longer useful as a bludgeon.

Standard liberal tactic, lie and corrupt......and later when its revealed, pretend its no big deal and we should just move on.....gaslight everyone....

Using this, of course, liberals can be as corrupt as they please.....just delay the discovery.....must be nice

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

This whole thing being put forth is of course, bullshit. Anyone who is being honest knows why this is being said right now. But hey- chase it down and when it goes nowhere move on to the next conspiracy theory. Or if by chance Obama did lead a coup- which all evidence to this point shows he didn't- then throw him in jail

 

But my question for the people buying into this is simply this (and see if you can respond without yelling "liberal", "Biden, " "Obama," or some other such diversionary tactic. Why is this a thing for Trump to do? Even if they tried to work against him- he won in 2016. He won again in 2024. Twice he embarrassed the Democrat candidate crushing the idea of a female (liberal) President for the time being. This most recent time he has left the Democrat party is complete disarray. He is carrying out what he wants to do from an administrative perspective and is reshaping the country in the image he wants for at least the next 3 years.

Why is he spending time on this at this point? It does nothing for him and it would be so much better for him to just be the leader he purports himself to be. There is absolutely no need to be on this side street that does not help the working man one little bit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

When the wide stance guy offered that up as an excuse he was ridiculed by everyone.  But I didn’t inhale passed muster.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Full circle.....Russia Collusion is apparently no longer useful as a bludgeon.

Standard liberal tactic, lie and corrupt......and later when its revealed, pretend its no big deal and we should just move on.....gaslight everyone....

Using this, of course, liberals can be as corrupt as they please.....just delay the discovery.....must be nice

 

When Trump lies and does corrupt things and then when it is revealed pretend its no big deal and then gaslight everyone is that still a "liberal tactic" or does it become a MAGA tactic because Trump is doing it?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Man if we are going back to Clinton in the mid 90's to try and justify this mess it is possible we've lost the thread...or someone is so far up Trump's ass they can tell you what he had for breakfast

[RLLD 4,252]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

 

When Trump lies and does corrupt things and then when it is revealed pretend its no big deal and then gaslight everyone is that still a "liberal tactic" or does it become a MAGA tactic because Trump is doing it?

I do not see a value in lying this early in the discussion, or gaslighting as you are doing.  Instead, it might be more useful to direct your ire at those who have so consistently lied to you, buy you do you.....

[seafoam1 3,072]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Man if we are going back to Clinton in the mid 90's to try and justify this mess it is possible we've lost the thread...or someone is so far up Trump's ass they can tell you what he had for breakfast

Are all the kids finally taking naps? Got all their diapers changed? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I do not see a value in lying this early in the discussion, or gaslighting as you are doing.  Instead, it might be more useful to direct your ire at those who have so consistently lied to you, buy you do you.....

I'm not lying in the discussion. I''m asking a question about a scenario that could come out of this so I know how you, and I, should approach viewing this in future discussions. 

[MDC 7,485]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Standard liberal tactic, lie and corrupt......and later when its revealed, pretend its no big deal and we should just move on.....gaslight everyone....

Who’s going to tell him?  

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Who’s going to tell him?  

He seemed to get big mad about a simple question so he is regrouping right now. Give him some time

[Hardcore troubadour 15,498]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Man if we are going back to Clinton in the mid 90's to try and justify this mess it is possible we've lost the thread...or someone is so far up Trump's ass they can tell you what he had for breakfast

Hey, be a man and address me. If not, shut up. Wuss

[RLLD 4,252]

29 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm not lying in the discussion. I''m asking a question about a scenario that could come out of this so I know how you, and I, should approach viewing this in future discussions. 

Pretending that I behave as you do, as the common liberal does, is needlessly insulting, its no way to start a conversation......by promoting the lie that I would behave as you do.....notably given the availability of examples where I have called out both sides....because, unlike you, I do not defer to a politician for my self value.

[RLLD 4,252]

24 minutes ago, MDC said:

Who’s going to tell him?  

Wait.....wait.....are you now admitting that both sides do it???  I mean if you are....this is fcking progress....

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Pretending that I behave as you do, as the common liberal does, is needlessly insulting, its no way to start a conversation......by promoting the lie that I would behave as you do.....notably given the availability of examples where I have called out both sides....because, unlike you, I do not defer to a politician for my self value.

I'm not saying anything about you. I'm asking a question about Trump in this. What don't you follow? Please just answer it as a simple yes or no

[Grace Under Pressure 119]

Trump and MAGA: Keep doing the Russia thing. It's not the flex you think it is. Gonna backfire just like "Release the Epstein list!"

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Now you got him.  

[RLLD 4,252]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm not saying anything about you. I'm asking a question about Trump in this. What don't you follow? Please just answer it as a simple yes or no

If your question is "when trump lies do I call it out" well, yeah, I already have done that....unlike you and yours....who still defend the corrupt zealously, to this day. Moreover, I have called out policies that I disagree with as well, can you produce evidence of a similar behavior?

[MDC 7,485]

Just now, RLLD said:

Wait.....wait.....are you now admitting that both sides do it???  I mean if you are....this is fcking progress....

You’re the guy who thinks lying and gaslighting is a “liberal” tactic. You in a coma the last 2 weeks?  

[RLLD 4,252]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re the guy who thinks lying and gaslighting is a “liberal” tactic. You in a coma the last 2 weeks?  

And it is, it is their bread and butter, while both sides obviously do it, the Democrats have made it their main weapon.  Gaslighting and hyperbole, to manipulate the weak minded, and clearly it works on a range of people to include yourself. Though, I might suggest, its overuse is resulting in people moving away from the party now....all those years and years of lying, BIG lies, coming out now really hurt that party.

[MDC 7,485]

Just now, RLLD said:

And it is, it is their bread and butter, while both sides obviously do it, the Democrats have made it their main weapon.  Gaslighting and hyperbole, to manipulate the weak minded, and clearly it works on a range of people to include yourself. Though, I might suggest, its overuse is resulting in people moving away from the party now....all those years and years of lying, BIG lies, coming out now really hurt that party.

Just last week, Trump said we should all stop talking about his child sex trafficking buddy Epstein because the files were fake and/or written by Obama and also Russia hoax 2020 election Hunter’s laptop!

Odd time to say lying and gaslighting is the left’s “bread and butter”!  

[RLLD 4,252]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Just last week, Trump said we should all stop talking about his child sex trafficking buddy Epstein because the files were fake and/or written by Obama and also Russia hoax 2020 election Hunter’s laptop!

Odd time to say lying and gaslighting is the left’s “bread and butter”!  

Whats even more odd is you pretending I did not call that out......please share an example where you have called it out....against anyone other than a republican.....I'll wait....

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If your question is "when trump lies do I call it out" well, yeah, I already have done that....unlike you and yours....who still defend the corrupt zealously, to this day. Moreover, I have called out policies that I disagree with as well, can you produce evidence of a similar behavior?

No- that was not my question. 

This was my question:

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When Trump lies and does corrupt things and then when it is revealed pretend its no big deal and then gaslight everyone is that still a "liberal tactic" or does it become a MAGA tactic because Trump is doing it?

 

[RLLD 4,252]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

No- that was not my question. 

This was my question:

 

Oh, you are employing the Tu Quoque fallacy.  I see now.  The problem you have hear is that I have called out Trump, recently in fact, on this....so avoiding the discussion by throwing the gun ( doing the pretend thing that I am also as malleable as you)  wont really work here.

I am going to throw this out, for your consideration, just as a "what if"....... have you ever considered, sticking to the point instead of deflecting with the "  i am rubber and you are glue" defense?

[MDC 7,485]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Whats even more odd is you pretending I did not call that out......please share an example where you have called it out....against anyone other than a republican.....I'll wait....

You call out both sides. You just always make sure everyone knows it’s a liberal tactic started by liberal Democrats. They started it!  

 

[Fnord 2,291]

2 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

 

This guy knows what's up.

[RLLD 4,252]

Just now, MDC said:

You call out both sides. You just always make sure everyone knows it’s a liberal tactic started by liberal Democrats. They started it!  

 

I cannot be sure who started it, I bet we can go back to when the Whig party was popular and find it happening.....and do what? Honestly, why would I give a fock over who started it? How does that concept convince the real problem here that liberals have done it to such an extent that they now face multiple election loses?  I see an over reliance on it coming from the left.

Before you pretend that I am absolving Republicans,  I am not.  It could come back to bite the too, if they abuse it as Democrats have done.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh, you are employing the Tu Quoque fallacy.  I see now.  The problem you have hear is that I have called out Trump, recently in fact, on this....so avoiding the discussion by throwing the gun ( doing the pretend thing that I am also as malleable as you)  wont really work here.

I am going to throw this out, for your consideration, just as a "what if"....... have you ever considered, sticking to the point instead of deflecting with the "  i am rubber and you are glue" defense?

I'm not engaging in the "tu quoque" fallacy because I'm not pointing out anything hypocritical about you. I know you want this to be about you but it is not.

I'm asking again- When Trump lies and does corrupt things and then when it is revealed pretend its no big deal and then gaslight everyone is that still a "liberal tactic" or does it become a MAGA tactic because Trump is doing it?

 

I'm trying to understand the parameters of the vocabulary as to how we are using it. It will help me understand any future broaching of this topic. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

The level of retarded you all are arguing with here 

 

[RLLD 4,252]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I'm not engaging in the "tu quoque" fallacy because I'm not pointing out anything hypocritical about you. I know you want this to be about you but it is not.

I'm asking again- When Trump lies and does corrupt things and then when it is revealed pretend its no big deal and then gaslight everyone is that still a "liberal tactic" or does it become a MAGA tactic because Trump is doing it?

 

I'm trying to understand the parameters of the vocabulary as to how we are using it. It will help me understand any future broaching of this topic. 

Pretending you were not making that inference, is gaslighting, and I bet you know it.

You see, if it were to arise that Trump did something as corrupt as a liberal, you bet your sweet arse I would call it out....as I have done repeatedly already.  So the "question" wasnt really a question at all....and you know it. 

[MDC 7,485]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I cannot be sure who started it, I bet we can go back to when the Whig party was popular and find it happening.....and do what? Honestly, why would I give a fock over who started it? How does that concept convince the real problem here that liberals have done it to such an extent that they now face multiple election loses?  I see an over reliance on it coming from the left.

Before you pretend that I am absolving Republicans,  I am not.  It could come back to bite the too, if they abuse it as Democrats have done.

So it’s both sides … but it’s the standard tactic of one side. They do it more!  

Also, lying and gaslighting loses elections? Bless your heart that’s so cute. 🥰 

[RLLD 4,252]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

So it’s both sides … but it’s the standard tactic of one side. They do it more!  

Also, lying and gaslighting loses elections? Bless your heart that’s so cute. 🥰 

Of course the liberals have been doing it more, that is what we learn consistently.   Think of the many examples of it.  They have over used it.  They have abused the tactic and turned it from defensive mechanism to offensive mechanism, and voters have turned away in part because of it.

Now, I infer that you want liberals to hold power.   If that is true, you should really look at the behavior as being counter to that desire, because its not helping them, and I think its probably hurting them now.  Its time to stop being teenage girls, drumming up drama, an stick to facts....

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Pretending you were not making that inference, is gaslighting, and I bet you know it.

You see, if it were to arise that Trump did something as corrupt as a liberal, you bet your sweet arse I would call it out....as I have done repeatedly already.  So the "question" wasnt really a question at all....and you know it. 

What is your aversion to just answering a simple question?

Let me rephrase it for you- and I'll even be fair with my starting word for you: If Trump lies about something and then tries to gaslight people about it afterwards is that still a "liberal tactic" or is it a MAGA tactic because it's Trump doing it?

Again- I'm just trying to figure out what the parameters of this are going forward

[MDC 7,485]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Of course the liberals have been doing it more, that is what we learn consistently.   Think of the many examples of it.  They have over used it.  They have abused the tactic and turned it from defensive mechanism to offensive mechanism, and voters have turned away in part because of it.

Now, I infer that you want liberals to hold power.   If that is true, you should really look at the behavior as being counter to that desire, because its not helping them, and I think its probably hurting them now.  It’s time to stop being teenage girls, drumming up drama, a stick to facts....

Again, odd time to claim liberals are more guilty of lying, gaslighting and telling people to “move on” … days after your guy said the Epstein files were a hoax written by Obama and boring, so we should move on.  

Not sure what else we have to talk about? 

[seafoam1 3,072]

Just now, MDC said:

Again, odd time to claim liberals are more guilty of lying, gaslighting and telling people to “move on” … days after your guy said the Epstein files were a hoax written by Obama and boring, so we should move on.  

Not sure what else we have to talk about? 

What files? Where are the victims? 

How are their court cases going? 

[MDC 7,485]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

What files? Where are the victims? 

How are their court cases going? 

Cucks for pedos.  

[seafoam1 3,072]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Cucks for pedos.  

Pedo. 

Can't even say who the victims are.