Sleeping on Barkley

[wolves111 107]

Saquon criticism this offseason has been over the top. Using history as an absolute rather than a trend with exceptions (I.e. Marshall Faulk, LT, Emmitt, Henry to name a few) the “experts” are convinced he won’t come near duplicating last year’s results.

Despite running behind the best OL in the league and playing alongside arguably the best group of skill position players he’s being drafted behind Chase, Robinson, Jefferson and Gibbs.

Ill do cartwheels if he falls to me at pick five.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,744]

Where would you have drafted him last year?

im not worried about his workload specifically as much as his previous injury history and the simple fact you’re paying for his peak. It’s hard to argue he can do better than 2024 but it’s pretty easy to argue he can do worse. 
 

we have not seen bijan or Gibbs peak yet and Chase/jefferson is just preference for WR. 
 

he’s not some sort of DND for me but not my top choice. 

[edjr 6,602]

I drafted him 8th overall last year

[Super Cubs 154]

Is anyone really being slept on at the 5th pick?  It all comes down to preference.  

If I had to make an argument against Saquon it would be he had a heavy work load last year.  Counting playoffs he had 436 carries and 46 reception.  

 

 

[nobody 2,687]

Count me in with the folks that think he'll regress.  I'd still draft him 2nd overall behind chase though.

[weepaws 3,198]

Be silly not to think Barkley’s numbers don’t match or exceed last season, but he’s still the number one rb on my board

[Ray_T 753]

9 hours ago, weepaws said:

Be silly not to think Barkley’s numbers don’t match or exceed last season, but he’s still the number one rb on my board

the only thing that likely keeps him from doing it is injury.

though the stats show after a year with that workload not a lot of RB's repeat.  and usually it is because of injury.   not sure how that correlation works.  maybe the high workload causes the injury I think thats the current line of thinking.

but I am with you.  if fully healthy, Barkley should repeat

[WhiteWonder 2,744]

He could potentially repeat but he’s not going to exceed. Guy put up an all time great season. Much more reasonable that he falls short, even if he is still a top 5 fantasy back. 
 

he’s just clearly not being slept on and I don’t think anyone needs to do cartwheels if he falls to 5. It’s perfectly reasonable for him to go after bijan, Gibbs, Chase, JJ, even potentially CeeDee in WR heavy formats 

[wolves111 107]

3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

He could potentially repeat but he’s not going to exceed. Guy put up an all time great season. Much more reasonable that he falls short, even if he is still a top 5 fantasy back. 
 

he’s just clearly not being slept on and I don’t think anyone needs to do cartwheels if he falls to 5. It’s perfectly reasonable for him to go after bijan, Gibbs, Chase, JJ, even potentially CeeDee in WR heavy formats 

Yep good analysis. Especially since Jefferson already hurt his hammy.

Bring slept on doesn’t mean he won’t be drafted high. Being slept on means rather than ranking him 1 or 2 in the draft the experts, cough cough, are looking for reasons not to draft him where he should be drafted.

Hope that helps 

[WhiteWonder 2,744]

48 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Yep good analysis. Especially since Jefferson already hurt his hammy.

Bring slept on doesn’t mean he won’t be drafted high. Being slept on means rather than ranking him 1 or 2 in the draft the experts, cough cough, are looking for reasons not to draft him where he should be drafted.

Hope that helps 

I’m just tossing out high ADP names that can reasonably be picked before him. Injuries are going to pop up as we move through August.

semantics I guess. To me someone being slept on is someone no one is really discussing. Plenty of people are on Barkley OR at least explaining why they don’t think he’s the top RB to draft this year or why they might prefer a top end WR.

thats all. In a start 2 RB format he is likely my #2. In formats where you only have to start 1 RB, he’s probably my #5

[Ray_T 753]

4 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

He could potentially repeat but he’s not going to exceed. Guy put up an all time great season. Much more reasonable that he falls short, even if he is still a top 5 fantasy back. 
 

he’s just clearly not being slept on and I don’t think anyone needs to do cartwheels if he falls to 5. It’s perfectly reasonable for him to go after bijan, Gibbs, Chase, JJ, even potentially CeeDee in WR heavy formats 

I cant argue with that.    on the mark as usual with your comments here. 

[wolves111 107]

3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I’m just tossing out high ADP names that can reasonably be picked before him. Injuries are going to pop up as we move through August.

semantics I guess. To me someone being slept on is someone no one is really discussing. Plenty of people are on Barkley OR at least explaining why they don’t think he’s the top RB to draft this year or why they might prefer a top end WR.

thats all. In a start 2 RB format he is likely my #2. In formats where you only have to start 1 RB, he’s probably my #5

Ok that makes sense. So off topic as I alluded to Jefferson apparently already pulled a hamstring. In 2023 he literally cost me the league for the same injury by missing seven games for the same injury. Coincidence it was a contract year.

Do you downgrade him for recurring hamstring issues? Is he the guy who gets paid and fades?

 

 

[weepaws 3,198]

In both of my fourteen team leagues, if Barkley is available when I’m picking, even in my ppr league, Barkley would be my pick. 

[nobody 2,687]

This is a khalil Mack leaving the raiders situation.  He went to the bears and went nuts that first year.  That's because the raiders trading him put a chip on his shoulder.  Then after that first year l, he went back to business as usual... Great player but not all-world game wrecker.

Giants basically said to saquon that he wasn't worth the money.  He signs with Philly and goes off.  He made his point.  Now he's primed to go back to just being great and not the all world game wrecker he was last season.

[WhiteWonder 2,744]

8 hours ago, nobody said:

This is a khalil Mack leaving the raiders situation.  He went to the bears and went nuts that first year.  That's because the raiders trading him put a chip on his shoulder.  Then after that first year l, he went back to business as usual... Great player but not all-world game wrecker.

Giants basically said to saquon that he wasn't worth the money.  He signs with Philly and goes off.  He made his point.  Now he's primed to go back to just being great and not the all world game wrecker he was last season.

The only part I think is comparable is the chip on their shoulder year 1 after being traded.  Otherwise, Mack got traded from a bad team to a bad team. Barkley got traded from a team with poor QB play and a putrid offensive line to one of the best situations for a running back in football.