Israel Gaza thread

[Strike 5,590]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Don't need to. Our founding fathers already did that. 

WTF are you talking about?  

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  

They set the rules for what is legitimate. People need to be free to choose for themselves. Self-determination. It’s also written into the Charter of the United Nations and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Atlantic Charter, all of which we crafted for the world. Google those and see what you find. 

[Strike 5,590]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

They set the rules for what is legitimate. People need to be free to choose for themselves. Self-determination. It’s also written into the Charter of the United Nations and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Atlantic Charter, all of which we crafted for the world. Google those and see what you find. 

We are talking about other countries, not the U.S.  You can't be this stupid so you must be trolling.  

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

We are talking about other countries, not the U.S.  You can't be this stupid so you must be trolling.  

We’re talking about what makes a government legitimate. I explained the rules to you, rules for the entire world that we set up. That’s in response to your inane statement “you don’t get to make up the rules.” I didn’t. Our founding fathers did, for ourselves. Then after World War II we set them up for the rest of the world. Educate yourself. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,019]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

People need to be free

Not everyone has earned or deserves that right. There's a large segment of this Country that deserves nothing from the US or anywhere else for that matter. 

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

29 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Not everyone has earned or deserves that right. There's a large segment of this Country that deserves nothing from the US or anywhere else for that matter. 

Everyone deserves that right. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,019]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Everyone deserves that right. 

Really?? Murderers and rapists deserve that right? 

Where does it say anyone deserves anything? Nobody deserves anything 

[Gepetto 1,373]

17 hours ago, Strike said:

Cool.  So you acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza.  As such, their people deserve whatever fate befalls them.  I'm glad we agree.  Now can you tell your namesake all of this as well.

@The Real timschochet Strike said duly elected government, not legitimate government. Your definition of legitimate government could be questioned, but putting that aside, why don't you answer the question as it was posed?

[Mookz 1,349]

I have Israel Gaza by submission in the third, so wish me luck. 

[TimHauck 2,912]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

Why do you say that?  What do you base that 20 year timeframe on?  The little bit of research I've done suggests elections are very random there and often postponed.  I don't know what, if any, laws they have regarding elections.  Your stance seems to be based on American ideals but not every place is America.  Is Kim Jong Un (sp) the legitimate leader of N. Korea?  I would say yes despite it being a very ugly situation over there.  But that seems to be how their government is set up.  But Hamas was duly elected and until you show me some proof that they're violating some law regarding holding elections, they're the legitimate government there.  Regardless of your personal, emotion filled FEELINGS.

Well I think you answered your own question here by noting that their elections are often postponed.  In fact they were scheduled to have one in 2021 and it was “indefinitely postponed”:

https://www.elections.ps/tabid/235/language/en-US/Default.aspx

Let’s also look at their history.  Prior to 2006, they had one in 1996.  So it’s now been twice as long as between their last 2 elections.

They can not be considered “duly elected” anymore.   Nice attempted goalpost move by claiming ”they’re duly elected unless they’re breaking a law” though.

Kim Jong Un is probably a fair comparison.  He’s the “legitimate” leader, but he wasn’t duly elected either.

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

59 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

@The Real timschochet Strike said duly elected government, not legitimate government. Your definition of legitimate government could be questioned, but putting that aside, why don't you answer the question as it was posed?

I thought I did. Hamas was duly elected 20 years ago. Because they have stayed in power since that time without elections I don’t regard them as a legitimate government. 

But there is an even bigger point to be made here. The implication that @Strike and others are making is: the Palestinian people chose this government, therefore they are responsible for the crimes committed by this government and must suffer the consequences. Even IF I regarded Hamas as a legitimate government, I still wouldn’t accept this premise. I don’t believe in collective responsibility. 

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

Let me go even further: let’s say that every living Palestinian, man, woman, child, was fully supportive of Hamas, fully enthusiastic of their goals, fully cognizant and gung ho about everything Hamas is doing or plans to do. Even then, they still would not be responsible for the crimes of Hamas unless they took a direct part in those crimes, they still should not have to suffer the consequences. IMO. 

[Strike 5,590]

Here's another picture of the Israeli's starting the Palestinians:

https://x.com/DavidM_Friedman/status/1951320449779908987

[Strike 5,590]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought I did. Hamas was duly elected 20 years ago. Because they have stayed in power since that time without elections I don’t regard them as a legitimate government. 

But there is an even bigger point to be made here. The implication that @Strike and others are making is: the Palestinian people chose this government, therefore they are responsible for the crimes committed by this government and must suffer the consequences. Even IF I regarded Hamas as a legitimate government, I still wouldn’t accept this premise. I don’t believe in collective responsibility. 

Yes Tim, unfortunately that's how WAR works.  It's unfortunate that the Japanese people in Hiroshima had to bite the bullet for the war their government chose to get them involved in, but that's how one side wins and one side loses.  As I said earlier today, you're s simpleton.  And apparently there's at least one other simpleton on this bored because someone actually liked the post above.  

[TimHauck 2,912]

21 minutes ago, Strike said:

 It's unfortunate that the Japanese people in Hiroshima had to bite the bullet for the war their government chose to get them involved in, but that's how one side wins and one side loses.  

Did they deserve it?

[TimHauck 2,912]

30 minutes ago, Strike said:

Here's another picture of the Israeli's starting the Palestinians:

https://x.com/DavidM_Friedman/status/1951320449779908987

Is anyone legitimate denying that this is real?  
 

Do you believe Palestinians are starving as well?

[jerryskids 6,836]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did they deserve it?

I mean, let's get back to basics, Tim(s). 

- Hamas is a terrorist regime whose charter is the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews worldwide.  As such, Israel has every right to not stop until Hamas is completely annihilated.

- Palestinian civilians have housed hostages.

- Hamas built terror tunnels under civilian schools, hospitals, and mosques, relying on weak woke folks like yourselves to cry about retaliation.  So far it's working glowingly.

- Hamas does not care one iota if civilians are harmed.  In fact, it's clear they prefer it, as it enables the above weak woke folks crying.

 

Thoughts on a solution?  As always, "I don't know but this isn't it$#@!" is the weakest of sauce.

TIA  

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[TimHauck 2,912]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I mean, let's get back to basics, Tim(s). 

- Hamas is a terrorist regime whose charter is the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews worldwide.  As such, Israel has every right to not stop until Hamas is completely annihilated.

- Palestinian civilians have housed hostages.

- Hamas built terror tunnels under civilian schools, hospitals, and mosques, relying on weak woke folks like yourselves to cry about retaliation.  So far it's working glowingly.

- Hamas does not care one iota if civilians are harmed.  In fact, it's clear they prefer it, as it enables the above weak woke folks crying.

 

Thoughts on a solution?  As always, "I don't know but this isn't it$#@!" is the weakest of sauce.

TIA  

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I don’t know Jerry.  But you’re just distracting from Strike making himself look silly.  He said Gazans “deserved whatever fate befalls on them” because their parents elected Hamas 20 years ago.  Then he compared it to Japanese people in Hiroshima, so just trying to confirm he thinks they deserved it too.  Such a weird take.

[Strike 5,590]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know Jerry.  But you’re just distracting from Strike making himself look silly.  He said Gazans “deserved whatever fate befalls on them” because their parents elected Hamas 20 years ago.  Then he compared it to Japanese people in Hiroshima, so just trying to confirm he thinks they deserved it too.  Such a weird take.

I did?  Link?

[TimHauck 2,912]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I did?  Link?

Well, do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

If not, it wouldn’t make sense to compare them to Gazans, who you explicitly said did deserve it.

[jerryskids 6,836]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know Jerry.  But you’re just distracting from Strike making himself look silly.  He said Gazans “deserved whatever fate befalls on them” because their parents elected Hamas 20 years ago.  Then he compared it to Japanese people in Hiroshima, so just trying to confirm he thinks they deserved it too.  Such a weird take.

Of course you don't know; you never do.  And you (and the other Tim) say that Hamas is not the legitimate/elected leadership, so what is Israel to do?  

This is why it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you on this.  Hamas Harry shows you a picture of a cystic fibrosis or cerebral palsy kid, or says 9263487932 people were killed yesterday by IDF, and you just lap it up.  

[Strike 5,590]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well, do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

If not, it wouldn’t make sense to compare them to Gazans, who you explicitly said did deserve it.

Come on man.  You said I already said they deserved it.  In fact, you put the following in quotes and attributed it to me:

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deserved whatever fate befalls on them

When you put words in quotes it means it's an EXACT COPY of what someone wrote.  I've told people this before.  Don't focking put words in quotes and attribute that to me if I didn't say it.  It's intellectually dishonest, and something that will cause me to cease discussing not just a given topic, but ANY topic with you.  So, please post a link to me saying what I put in quote tags above, that you attribute to me.  TIA.

[TimHauck 2,912]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Come on man.  You said I already said they deserved it.  In fact, you put the following in quotes and attributed it to me:

When you put words in quotes it means it's an EXACT COPY of what someone wrote.  I've told people this before.  Don't focking put words in quotes and attribute that to me if I didn't say it.  It's intellectually dishonest, and something that will cause me to cease discussing not just a given topic, but ANY topic with you.  So, please post a link to me saying what I put in quote tags above, that you attribute to me.  TIA.

 

On 7/31/2025 at 8:06 PM, Strike said:

Cool.  So you acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza.  As such, their people deserve whatever fate befalls them.

 

[TimHauck 2,912]

Odds Strike apologizes?  I’m going 20%

[Strike 5,590]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Right, so we agree you didn't quote me.  See, now you're gonna say you were close and the meaning is the same.  And that may be true.  But when you misquote me you make it difficult for me to go back and find the post where I wrote something.  Again, if you're going to quote someone post EXACTLY what they said.  You know what I do when I want to quote someone?  I copy and paste what they wrote.  That way I KNOW I accurately quoted them.  If you're not going to do that, don't try to  put my words in quotes.  That concept shouldn't be difficult.  

[Strike 5,590]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Odds Strike apologizes?  I’m going 20%

Why would I apologize?  You clearly misquoted me and represented it as a legit quote.

[TimHauck 2,912]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Right, so we agree you didn't quote me.  

You’re joking, right?  Are you complaining that I put the word “on” in there?  Lol that doesn’t change the meaning at all.  You’re not a serious poster.

[Strike 5,590]

Just now, TimHauck said:

You’re joking, right?  Are you complaining that I put the word “on” in there?  You’re not a serious poster.

I explained why it matters.  Why can't you just copy and paste?  Otherwise, don't try to say it's a quote.  It's NOT.

[TimHauck 2,912]

Just now, Strike said:

I explained why it matters.  Why can't you just copy and paste?  Otherwise, don't try to say it's a quote.  It's NOT.

Fock off.

[Strike 5,590]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Fock off.

ROFLMAO.  Figures.  

[TimHauck 2,912]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Yes Tim, unfortunately that's how WAR works.  It's unfortunate that the Japanese people in Hiroshima had to bite the bullet for the war their government chose to get them involved in, but that's how one side wins and one side loses.  As I said earlier today, you're s simpleton.  And apparently there's at least one other simpleton on this bored because someone actually liked the post above.  

Do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

[Strike 5,590]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

Sorry man.  I'm done with you.  Can only take so much in a day.  

[TimHauck 2,912]

Just now, Strike said:

Sorry man.  I'm done with you.  Can only take so much in a day.  

You’re as bad as @EternalShinyAndChrome.  Complain that people are misrepresenting what you say, but then not actually clarify when asked.

[TimHauck 2,912]

Actually I take that back.  You’re worse.  Complaining that adding the word “on” is misquoting you. 
 

lololololol

[supermike80 1,928]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

Ask China

[TimHauck 2,912]

22 minutes ago, Strike said:

Come on man.  You said I already said they deserved it. 

You did say that.

On 7/31/2025 at 8:06 PM, Strike said:

Cool.  So you acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza.  As such, their people deserve whatever fate befalls them. 

 

[jerryskids 6,836]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think the Japanese in Hiroshima deserved it?

I've already said that deserve's got nothing to do with it.  The question is:  Should we have not dropped the bomb?

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

38 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Ask China

This response is part of the problem. You can’t ask a country anything. China is made up of one billion people. 

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Of course you don't know; you never do.  And you (and the other Tim) say that Hamas is not the legitimate/elected leadership, so what is Israel to do?  

This is why it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you on this.  Hamas Harry shows you a picture of a cystic fibrosis or cerebral palsy kid, or says 9263487932 people were killed yesterday by IDF, and you just lap it up.  

I’ve answered many times what Israel is to do. But I will again: 

1. immediate ceasefire. 
2. allow refugee and aid groups to enter Gaza without restriction or interference. 
3. pledge to commit to a 2 state solution. Recognize a state of Palestine, commit to no further settlements in the West Bank, Gaza, or eastern Jerusalem. 

[TimHauck 2,912]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've already said that deserve's got nothing to do with it

Strike said it did.