Israel Gaza thread

[MDC 7,546]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nope.  And it's the equivalency I take issue with.  It's the same thing as calling Trump a Nazi.  There is no equivalency.

I’m just here to inform you that Israelis have been shooting kids. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,073]

Just now, MDC said:

I’m just here to inform you that Israelis have been shooting kids. 

And Hamas? 

[Strike 5,679]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m just here to inform you that Israelis have been shooting kids. 

The lost you replied to wasn't simply about kids getting shot.  It was about kids being shot for use as propaganda and to try to blame their enemy.  But you knew this.  That's why it's a false equalivalency and why you are not a serious poster 

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Strike:  you spelled Hamas wrong 

Hamas? Gaza is rubble. There's nothing left. What the fock are you talking about. 

The war is over. All that's left is to genocide who's left and take the land.

[MDC 7,546]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

The lost you replied to wasn't simply about kids getting shot.  It was about kids being shot for use as propaganda and to try to blame their enemy.  But you knew this.  That's why it's a false equalivalency and why you are not a serious poster 

When Israel shoots Gazan kids, you don’t think they blame Hamas?  

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

The lost you replied to wasn't simply about kids getting shot.  It was about kids being shot for use as propaganda and to try to blame their enemy.  But you knew this.  That's why it's a false equalivalency and why you are not a serious poster 

Making excuses for killing kids.  Nice.

[TimHauck 2,990]

On 6/25/2025 at 11:19 AM, jerryskids said:

Why don't you start with what war crimes they have committed, and more importantly, what they should do or should have done differently to defeat Hamas, the terrorist organization duly elected by the Palestinian people, who build their bases under hospitals and schools, and who steal aid from their own people to create photo ops of starving children for simple-minded Leftists?

I still haven't gotten a single answer to this question other than "I dunno, but not that!"  

 

On 6/25/2025 at 11:31 AM, TimHauck said:

Here’s one example, I’d recommend checking out Ryan Grim and DropSite News for others.

https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1906174974823461197

 

 

On 6/25/2025 at 11:40 AM, jerryskids said:

That addresses the war crimes, but not what they should be doing in general.

And regarding your link, it starts with "Israel admits mistake."  You are Mr. X, do you have a link where Hamas admits a mistake?  Of course not; the Left has no expectations of Hamas, it's all Israel's fault.  

Do you know why you can find a link like that?  Because it's rare, and when it happens, Israel admits it.  It's like "say their name!" -- you can say them because so few unarmed black people are killed by police. 

War isn't perfect.  If what you posted is your model of a war crime, then you are welcome to your Focault-ish faulty moral relativism.  "Both sides do bad stuff!"  

These were the first posts where Jerry was asking me for what war crimes they committed.  He even somewhat acknowledged that this was a war crime, although he of course believed “it was an accident.”  I later found an NY Post article about this specific incident calling out how the IDF was caught lying about it, although I know Jerry believes that since the IDF punished people for it, that it wasn’t intentional.  But anyone with a brain knows they wouldn’t have been punished if they didn’t get caught.  

https://nypost.com/2025/04/20/world-news/idf-sacks-deputy-who-oversaw-killing-of-15-aid-workers-in-gaza/

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Making excuses for killing kids.  Nice.

Coming from a pro abortion guy. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,073]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Making excuses for killing kids.  Nice.

You voted for killing Kids 

Abortion is murder, did you forget? 

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14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

You got me.  “Geneva Guidelines.”  

I mean one is binding international law, the other is a bunch of stuff liberals put together that less than half the countries agreed with and has zero legal bearing. 

Tomato, tomato, amirite?

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8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Making excuses for killing kids.  Nice.

Israel ordered and carried out the bombing of a car carrying the leader of Hamas back a few years ago, that also had his grandkids in it. I saw the video of it. It's on youtube.

[TimHauck 2,990]

This is a few months old (so may have changed even more since), but seeing more people talk about it recently.   

Pew Research poll finds 50% of Republicans under 50 have an unfavorable view of Israel, up from just 35% in 2022.

It’s not just libs opposing Israel.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/?utm_source=AdaptiveMailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25-04-08 GLOBAL W166 US Foreign Policy GENERAL&org=982&lvl=100&ite=15822&lea=4266563&ctr=0&par=1&trk=a0DQm000005GD4rMAG
 

[MDC 7,546]

10 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Israel ordered and carried out the bombing of a car carrying the leader of Hamas back a few years ago, that also had his grandkids in it. I saw the video of it. It's on youtube.

Even Tony Montana drew the line at kids.  

[Strike 5,679]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

This is a few months old (so may have changed even more since), but seeing more people talk about it recently.   

Pew Research poll finds 50% of Republicans under 50 have an unfavorable view of Israel, up from just 35% in 2022.

It’s not just libs opposing Israel.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/?utm_source=AdaptiveMailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=25-04-08 GLOBAL W166 US Foreign Policy GENERAL&org=982&lvl=100&ite=15822&lea=4266563&ctr=0&par=1&trk=a0DQm000005GD4rMAG
 

Pew Research Center!!!!!

 

[TimHauck 2,990]

10 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Israel ordered and carried out the bombing of a car carrying the leader of Hamas back a few years ago, that also had his grandkids in it. I saw the video of it. It's on youtube.

Strike thinks the kids deserved it for supporting Hamas

[TimHauck 2,990]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Pew Research Center!!!!!

 

Do you think increasing opposition of Israel amongst Republicans is just being imagined?  Keep your eyes closed my friend.

BTW you have cited Pew polls in the past.

[Strike 5,679]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Do you think increasing opposition of Israel amongst Republicans is just being imagined?  Keep your eyes closed my friend.

BTW you have cited Pew polls in the past.

If I did it was because despite their bias it supported my position.  If YOU are willing to post a Pew link, you sure as hell better accept them as a source if *I* do.  But I will NEVER give credibility to anything of theirs that you or other Tim post.  Just like if you post a link to Redstate or Breitbart, I better at least give it the time of day since those sites lean in the direction I do.  But if *I* post a Redstate link I would expect you to laugh at me too.

[MDC 7,546]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Strike thinks the kids deserved it for supporting Hamas

@Strike also thinks Israelis shooting Palestinian kids is different than Palestinians shooting Israeli kids, because Palestinians blame Israel for it. 

Doesn’t Israel blame Hamas when they murder women and children?  

[TimHauck 2,990]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

If I did it was because despite their bias it supported my position.  If YOU are willing to post a Pew link, you sure as hell better accept them as a source if *I* do.  But I will NEVER give credibility to anything of theirs that you or other Tim post.  Just like if you post a link to Redstate or Breitbart, I better at least give it the time of day since those sites lean in the direction I do.  But if *I* post a Redstate link I would expect you to laugh at me too.

So you believe Pew polls if they support your opinion, but not if they disagree with it.  Got it.  Lol.

Also I’ve recently said that most polls from anywhere are stupid, but one thing that can give insight is looking at changes within the same poll.  From 35% to 50% is pretty significant.

 

[Strike 5,679]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So you believe Pew polls if they support your opinion, but not if they disagree with it.  Got it.  Lol.

Also I’ve recently said that most polls from anywhere are stupid, but one thing that can give insight is looking at changes within the same poll.  From 35% to 50% is pretty significant.

 

No, I don't believe polls pretty much EVAH.  I'm in the @supermike80 camp on polls.  But rubbing your face in ones from sources you trust is always fun because you can't dispute them.

[Strike 5,679]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you believe Pew polls if they support your opinion, but not if they disagree with it.  Got it.  Lol.

Also I’ve recently said that most polls from anywhere are stupid, but one thing that can give insight is looking at changes within the same poll.  From 35% to 50% is pretty significant.

 

It's not the same poll.  HTH.

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

It's not the same poll.  HTH.

What makes you say that?  

[Strike 5,679]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

What makes you say that?  

Why would you ask someone the same question at the same time and get answers 15% different?  It makes no sense and I don't believe it happened.

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Why would you ask someone the same question at the same time and get answers 15% different?  It makes no sense and I don't believe it happened.

I didn’t say it was at the same time.  I said they took a similar poll in 2022 and it was 35%, now it’s 50%.  Please don’t say something stupid about them not polling exactly the same people or something.

[Strike 5,679]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say it was at the same time.  I said they took a similar poll in 2022 and it was 35%, now it’s 50%.  Please don’t say something stupid about them not polling exactly the same people or something.

So it's not the same poll.  Thanks for proving my point.  

[TimHauck 2,990]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

So it's not the same poll.  Thanks for proving my point.  

Lol

[TimHauck 2,990]

26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Strike thinks the kids deserved it for supporting Hamas

Yup.

On 7/31/2025 at 8:06 PM, Strike said:

Cool.  So you acknowledge that Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza.  As such, their people deserve whatever fate befalls them.

 

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19 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Hamas? Gaza is rubble. There's nothing left. What the fock are you talking about. 

The war is over. All that's left is to genocide who's left and take the land.

Hamas is no longer in power in Gaza?  Awesome!  Hey, you should tell Israel.   

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

Netanyahu said he's gonna take over the rest of Gaza.  This is Trump's directive, finish the job.

It's gonna get even worse.

We may see Mar-A-Gaza after all.

[Cdub100 3,945]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hamas is no longer in power in Gaza?  Awesome!  Hey, you should tell Israel.   

They know that already. Now it's just taking the land and keeping the griff going.

 

[Cdub100 3,945]

12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Netanyahu said he's gonna take over the rest of Gaza.  This is Trump's directive, finish the job.

It's gonna get even worse.

We may see Mar-A-Gaza after all.

You have it backwards. Trump takes his orders from the Jews. 

When ole Natan ordered trump to bomb Iran he hopped to it. 

And taking the rest of Gaza was always the plan. 

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11 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

They know that already. Now it's just taking the land and keeping the griff going.

 

Wut?  Dang, whatever you've contracted is worse than any religious cult.  

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Just now, jerryskids said:

Wut?  Dang, whatever you've contracted is worse than any religious cult.  

The truth?  Do you actually think Hamas is putting up any credible fight? 

Have you seen pictures of Gaza? This is a serious question because I don't think you have.

Everything is rubble including the hospitals and schools. All that's left is to starve anyone who is left. 

It's weird to me you think this is an actual war. It never was. 

[jerryskids 6,890]

This is a great op ed.  I can't think of a single thing wrong here.

tl;dr -- you Hamas apologists are getting gaslit and it feeds your moral relativism need.

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Coleman Hughes: The Simple Truth About the War in Gaza

Hamas’s strategy is to maximize suffering on its own side—and then have the world blame Israel. Our moral confusion is its chief asset.

Over the past few weeks, images of emaciated Gazan children have circulated the media. Global outrage has exploded over emerging evidence of widespread hunger that the pictures purportedly capture. The anger has led major U.S. allies, including France, Britain, and Canada, to say they will recognize a Palestinian state.

Amid these developments, it may seem cartoonish, even obscene, to say that in the war between Israel and Hamas, Israel is the good guy. But it’s the truth. And it’s a truth that’s incredibly easy to forget amid the day-to-day coverage of this terrible war.

If you need a reminder, consider what Hamas did on Saturday when the terrorist group released a video of Israeli hostage Evyatar David. Evyatar, who is 24 years old, has been held captive by Hamas for 667 days. He is shirtless, gaunt, and clearly starving. Or as his family put it: “a living skeleton, buried alive.” He tells the camera he hasn’t eaten in days.

In one section of the video, he is forced to dig a hole in the tunnel where he is being held. He says it will be his grave.

Hamas released this video because it wants to increase its leverage in negotiations. If the Israeli population becomes so heartbroken that they demand a hostage deal on any terms, then Hamas can go back to ruling Gaza, building up its forces using stolen aid, and preparing for the next October 7.

Another way to put it is that the terrorist group is running a highly effective campaign of information warfare, and Western media outlets are falling for it.

Take a recent article, by now much discussed, published by The New York Times. Relying on testimony from several doctors working in Gaza as well as the Gaza Health Ministry, the article states that deaths in Gaza from starvation are on the rise. One photo stands out: a mother holding an emaciated, skeletal toddler named Muhammad.

This photo was plastered on the front page of the Times. It made the rounds on social media. You almost certainly saw it. And importantly, it was the only photo in the article that clearly suggested starvation. The rest depicted hungry refugees trying to get food aid under chaotic conditions.

Then we discovered that the Times hadn’t used a photo showing the boy’s older brother, who clearly isn’t starving. And Muhammad wasn’t emaciated due to a lack of available food; he was born with cerebral palsy. Six days after the article came out, the Times issued an editors’ note, stating that the boy was born with unrelated health issues that account for his skeletal appearance, and removed his mother’s testimony that he was “born a healthy child.”

What other information might have been left out?

Think about what had to happen for the Times to publish that photo on its front page, without context. Semafor reported Friday that the Times originally chose a different photo of a malnourished child with cerebral palsy. Concerned that the child’s preexisting condition would undermine claims made in the piece, they swapped the photo for the one of Muhammad. Then it came out that Muhammad also had a prior disability.

How did this happen? In selecting the photo, journalists would have had to talk to the child's mother and doctor, who presumably withheld this crucial detail. The claims then had to survive fact-checking without anyone pointing out how strange it was to see one child emaciated and his brother right next to him, looking fine.

Then, after the true story was revealed, the Times would have had to call this doctor again and ask if he had left out the baby’s disease. And since the entire article is based on the testimony of similarly placed doctors, you have to wonder: How many of the doctors in Gaza who talk to Western journalists are making similar omissions? And if they are, how would we know? And isn’t it a strange coincidence that several of the photographs that have gone viral of suffering Gazan children are children who have serious genetic diseases?

This isn’t the first time misinformation has spread in Western media. Recall that after an explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital on October 17, 2023, the Gaza Health Ministry—which is part of Hamas’s political infrastructure—reported almost immediately that exactly 471 people had been killed by an Israeli bomb. The Times circulated this report without scrutiny.

Then it came out that the true death count was possibly less than half that number. The hospital wasn’t hit—it was the parking lot next to the hospital. And it wasn’t an Israeli bomb that caused the explosion, but a misfired rocket launched from Gaza by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

There’s no doubt that there is a humanitarian disaster in Gaza. But the information pipeline between Gaza and the West is fundamentally broken, biased, untrustworthy, and weaponized against Israel. And the less skeptical that Western journalists are, the more sources like Hamas and the Gaza Health Ministry can disseminate misinformation without penalty, perpetuating the false narrative that Israel is the genocidal aggressor in a war waged against them by a group whose mission is, in fact, genocide.

None of this means that everything the IDF does is justifiable. It’s possible to agree with the goals of an army but condemn its methods. During the Civil War, the Union Army burned down 40 percent of Atlanta, including civilian homes. Some of that was unnecessary, even immoral. But the North was still the good guy. Not because it was the underdog, or because it suffered more war crimes than the South, but because its goal—to end slavery—was fundamentally just.

That’s the case with Israel. Israel’s goal is to live in peace with its neighbors. Throughout its 77-year history, it has agreed to half a dozen peace deals with the Palestinians. It voluntarily left Gaza in 2005. If it had any interest in wiping Gaza off the map, it could have done so any time in the last several decades.

Of course, as with any army, it’s not hard to find examples of IDF soldiers conducting themselves terribly. Israel’s March decision to cut off all humanitarian aid to Gaza for more than two months—in an effort to pressure Hamas to release the hostages—was a strategic mistake. And the aid distribution experiment that finally began in May has been chaotic and, because of that, largely ineffective. There are credible reports of soldiers shooting civilians who were trying to get food and accidentally went into a prohibited zone. Some of these are tragic accidents. Others may be war crimes.

But there is a moral asymmetry here. When an IDF soldier goes berserk, he is subject to criminal punishment. Hamas’s entire reason for being—its entire mission—is a war crime. Hamas fighters don’t wear uniforms. They have stolen enough aid from civilians to survive in their tunnels for a prolonged period of time. They are completely unaffected by the suffering of their own people.

The greatest tragedy of this war is that the excesses of both the IDF and Hamas almost always fall on Palestinian civilians.

That’s by Hamas’s design. Is it Israel’s fault that its own civilians are incredibly well protected by defensive infrastructure, including the Iron Dome and bomb shelters? Is it Israel’s fault that Hamas has built one of the most extensive networks of underground bomb shelters in the history of warfare, but doesn’t allow its own civilians to enter them? Is it Israel’s fault that Hamas uses children as lookouts, thereby turning them into combatants under the international laws of war?

When we hold Israel alone responsible for the civilian death toll in Gaza—a death toll that is the direct result of Hamas’s barbaric style of warfare—we implicitly blame Israel for war crimes that were committed by Hamas.

Hamas’s strategy is to maximize suffering on its own side. It knows it cannot beat Israel on the battlefield, but it hopes that by putting its own civilians in harm’s way, it can galvanize world opinion against Israel and destroy the Jewish State in the long run. This strategy only works if the world blames Israel for the consequences of Hamas’s choices. Our moral confusion is Hamas’s chief asset.

The most serious charge made against Israel is one of genocide. It’s also the most absurd.

Genocide is the intentional physical destruction of a people in whole or in part. Israel’s aim in Gaza is not to destroy the Palestinian people as a whole, nor is it to destroy Gaza and Palestinians in particular. The Gaza Health Ministry reports that about 60,000 people have been killed in Gaza in 22 months of war. Israel says that about 20,000 Hamas fighters have been killed.

Both may be exaggerating their numbers, but let’s take them at their word. Assuming 60,000 people have been killed, that’s about 3 percent of Gaza’s pre-war population. The Nazis killed over 60 percent of European Jews. The Ottoman Empire killed over 50 percent of the Armenians in its territory. Hutu extremists may have killed close to 80 percent of the Tutsis in Rwanda over 100 days in 1994. Those were genocides.

In legitimately identified cases of genocide in which a smaller percentage of people were killed, it was because the perpetrator didn’t have the power to kill more. That’s not the case with Israel. If the IDF wanted, it could kill almost everyone in Gaza in a matter of weeks. Why hasn’t it?

Some people cite international pressure, arguing that Israel would like to commit a genocide but doesn’t want to become a pariah state. Leaving aside the fact that Israel is already a pariah state in many circles, that argument concedes that what Israel is doing isn’t genocide.

Yes, some far-right Israeli politicians have pledged to destroy Gaza. But they no more represent the will of most Israelis than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Marjorie Taylor Greene represent the most Americans. The reason that spectators focus on politicians’ words is to divine their intentions from unclear information. We want to understand what they would do if they had the power to do it. That calculus doesn’t apply to Israel, which is powerful enough to do anything it pleases.

The best indication of what Israeli decision-makers are trying to do in Gaza is what they’re actually doing. And what they’re actually doing is trying to destroy Hamas, an organization that started a war against them, is fanatically committed to their destruction, and is starving its hostages to death while feeding malicious propaganda to Western media.

There is a moral asymmetry in this war, and it favors Israel. Don’t be misled by information warfare campaigns trying to convince you otherwise.

https://www.thefp.com/p/coleman-hughes-the-simple-truth-about?r=vlmot&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

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4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

The truth?  Do you actually think Hamas is putting up any credible fight? 

Have you seen pictures of Gaza? This is a serious question because I don't think you have.

Everything is rubble including the hospitals and schools. All that's left is to starve anyone who is left. 

It's weird to me you think this is an actual war. It never was. 

This reads like a middle school girl who sewed her eyelids open and binge watched Chinese propaganda on TikTok for a week straight.

The truth?  If Israel left tomorrow, do you think Hamas would be gone and not in charge any more?

The pictures?  See the article I just posted.  Is that the cerebral palsy kid or the cystic fibrosis kid?  And yes, people are starving in Gaza.  Have you seen the photos of Hamas eating feasts from the aid they stole?  Have you seen Hamas driving the aid trucks and shooting in celebration?  Have you seen that UNRWA is letting further aid trucks sit and rot because the IDF won't let them give them to Hamas?  

Oh no, hospitals and schools?!  I hadn't heard!  Why would they do that?!  Oh yeah, we all knew from day 1 that Hamas built their terror tunnels under these structures.

I honestly think that Hitler would have kicked you out of the Nazi party for hating Jews too much.  Your brain is completely mush on this topic.   

[Cdub100 3,945]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This is a great op ed.  I can't think of a single thing wrong here.

tl;dr -- you Hamas apologists are getting gaslit and it feeds your moral relativism need.

Hamas’s strategy is to maximize suffering on its own side—and then have the world blame Israel. Our moral confusion is its chief asset.

Jerry, you cant be serious.

You believe hamas's plan was to get their country completely leveled their government destroyed their meager military decimated and their people starve to death and murdered day after day. 

You actually believe that was their plan and if so they are currently winning. 

And then have the balls to say everyone else is being gas lit. 

[Cdub100 3,945]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This reads like a middle school girl who sewed her eyelids open and binge watched Chinese propaganda on TikTok for a week straight.

The truth?  If Israel left tomorrow, do you think Hamas would be gone and not in charge any more?

The pictures?  See the article I just posted.  Is that the cerebral palsy kid or the cystic fibrosis kid?  And yes, people are starving in Gaza.  Have you seen the photos of Hamas eating feasts from the aid they stole?  Have you seen Hamas driving the aid trucks and shooting in celebration?  Have you seen that UNRWA is letting further aid trucks sit and rot because the IDF won't let them give them to Hamas?  

Oh no, hospitals and schools?!  I hadn't heard!  Why would they do that?!  Oh yeah, we all knew from day 1 that Hamas built their terror tunnels under these structures.

I honestly think that Hitler would have kicked you out of the Nazi party for hating Jews too much.  Your brain is completely mush on this topic.   

No Jerry it's not okay to murder innocent people to get to people in a tunnel.

It's sad I have to explain that to you.

And I don't like either side. The thing is if I were in a room with a gun and two bullets with a traitor Jew and enemy Hamas I would shoot the trader twice

[seafoam1 3,182]

12 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

No Jerry it's not okay to murder innocent people to get to people in a tunnel.

It's sad I have to explain that to you.

And I don't like either side. The thing is if I were in a room with a gun and two bullets with a traitor Jew and enemy Hamas I would shoot the trader twice

Not me. I'm shooting them both in the groin so even if they live, they can't keep spreading offspring on the planet. 

[The Real timschochet 6,932]

Three problems with the article @jerryskids first, as usual, it spends the majority of its time describing how awful and evil Hamas is. We get that. Nobody is saying that Hamas are the good guys. But Hamas being the bad guys doesn’t automatically make Israel good guys, which is always your implication. 
Second, the writer argues that Israel is the good guy because their goal is to “have peace with their neighbors.” But that is NOT their goal or at least not their only goal. Netanyahu’s party has stated time and again that they want to increase settlers in Gaza and the West Bank and eventually occupy all of this as the Bible demands. Only yesterday you defended this position claiming that the ancient state of Judea gives Israel legal right to this land. Now you claim to agree with this article 100% and that is a contradiction. Israel can’t both only want peace with its neighbors and to occupy Gaza and the West Bank. 
Finally, let’s suppose that the writer is correct and that Israel is the good guy in this affair- as I’ve stated many times I actually believe Israel is a good guy overall- though not necessarily here- but assuming they are, why does this absolve them from all bad acts? The author compared Israel to the North in the Civil War- not an analogy I would use but let’s run with it- are we now saying that because the North had the noble goal of freeing the slaves (only halfway through the war and only in Confederate states) that the North did nothing wrong in that war? Committed no bad acts? Because anyone who has studied that war knows it’s nonsense. 

Good guys should be held to a higher standard than bad guys because they’re good guys. Don’t you agree? 

[Cdub100 3,945]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Not me. I'm shooting them both in the groin so even if they live, they can't keep spreading offspring on the planet. 

That's not a bad idea either.