Gerrymandering

[TimHauck 2,981]

21 hours ago, Strike said:

Not the first time.  Gov. threatening to remove them from office for abandoning their office.  Good move.

Does that mean you’re a fan of gerrymandering?

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

It's very simple. Americans hate what Trump has done. Taking away healthcare and food safety. Giving money to the rich covering up sex crimes of the elite. Real Americans hate this and real Americans are ready to vote them out. Trump knows this so he asked Texas to add more seats to keep power. You either support this or you don't. It shows your character

[Meglamaniac 554]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's very simple. Americans hate what Trump has done. Taking away healthcare and food safety. Giving money to the rich covering up sex crimes of the elite. Real Americans hate this and real Americans are ready to vote them out. Trump knows this so he asked Texas to add more seats to keep power. You either support this or you don't. It shows your character

What's simple is that your don't speak for Americans, real or not, you can barely speak for yourself when it comes to Trump.

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

What's simple is that your don't speak for Americans, real or not, you can barely speak for yourself when it comes to Trump.

I never claimed to speak for Americans. Americans speak for themselves. You see it in the polls you see it in the town halls, you see it in the protests.

[Meglamaniac 554]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I never claimed to speak for Americans. Americans speak for themselves. You see it in the polls you see it in the town halls, you see it in the protests.

You litterally spoke for them in the post I quoted, SMFH

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

4 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

You litterally spoke for them in the post I quoted, SMFH

I'm just repeating what they are saying.  I'm not making anything up as is implied when you say you're speaking for someone 

[Meglamaniac 554]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 You see it in the polls you see it in the town halls, you see it in the protests.

How about elections?  Do you see it in elections?

[Meglamaniac 554]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm just repeating what they are saying.  I'm not making anything up as is implied when you say you're speaking for someone 

You absolutely are making chit up, especially when you add "Real Americans" to the conversation implying Trump supporters are not "Real Americans", it's a hugh overreach.

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

24 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

How about elections?  Do you see it in elections?

We will, assuming trump allows for free and fair elections.  Why do you think he's trying to get extra seats in Texas?  Because he's confident that people will vote for Republicans?

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

24 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

You absolutely are making chit up, especially when you add "Real Americans" to the conversation implying Trump supporters are not "Real Americans", it's a hugh overreach.

What am I making up?  Polls?  Anger at town halls?  Protests?  I'm faking all of that?

When I say "real Americans" I'm talking about working class Americans who value fairness, decency and democracy.  We don't like what he's done and it's reflected in our voices 

[BrahmaBulls 795]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

What am I making up?  Polls?  Anger at town halls?  Protests?  I'm faking all of that?

When I say "real Americans" I'm talking about working class Americans who value fairness, decency and democracy.  We don't like what he's done and it's reflected in our voices 

I wouldn't put you and decency in the same paragraph

[Strike 5,658]

48 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Does that mean you’re a fan of gerrymandering?

Has nothing to do with gerrymandering.  Has to do with acting like an adult and fulfilling your duties of elected office that you're paid well for.

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Has nothing to do with gerrymandering.  Has to do with acting like an adult and fulfilling your duties of elected office that you're paid well for.

One could argue that they are doing this.  They are protecting the rights of people that Republicans are trying to disenfranchise.

[Meglamaniac 554]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

When I say "real Americans" I'm talking about working class Americans who value fairness, decency and democracy.  We don't like what he's done and it's reflected in our voices 

There you go speaking for Real Americans again, stop, I'm all of the things listed and don't agree with your stance.  Your hate for Trump overwelms you into making stupid assumptions about what "real Americans' want

[Meglamaniac 554]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We will, assuming trump allows for free and fair elections.  

LOL, got to have that escape clause

We can revisit this at mid terms but by then you will probalbly be on alias 95 so let me know what handle you are posting under so we can continue this debate

[Horseman 2,520]

Just now, Meglamaniac said:

LOL, got to have that escape clause

We can revisit this at mid terms but by then you will probalbly be on alias 95 so let me know what handle you are posting under so we can continue this debate

[Horseman 2,520]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Giving money to the rich

#1 

All the rest is just gravy.  

 

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

2 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

There you go speaking for Real Americans again, stop, I'm all of the things listed and don't agree with your stance.  Your hate for Trump overwelms you into making stupid assumptions about what "real Americans' want

If you claim to stand for fairness, decency and democracy then you can't support Trump.  It's really that simple.  You can't support taking away healthcare and food from working people and giving the money to rich people, support the coverup of a pedo ring, support mobs of masked gestapo disappearing people and say you support  fairness, decency and democracy.  I'm sorry it doesn't work like that.

[Ron_Artest 1,654]

Just now, Horseman said:

#1 

All the rest is just gravy.  

 

Exactly.,  at least this turd is willing to admit he only cares about himself, the rich and the elites.  He doesn't care about fairness, decency or democracy.

[Meglamaniac 554]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you claim to stand for fairness, decency and democracy then you can't support Trump.  It's really that simple.  You can't support taking away healthcare and food from working people and giving the money to rich people, support the coverup of a pedo ring, support mobs of masked gestapo disappearing people and say you support  fairness, decency and democracy.  I'm sorry it doesn't work like that.

You have ZERO right to tell me what I can and can't do, typical leftist BS, thats what is simple. I'll end this and let you get back to your Trump bashing

[Horseman 2,520]

31 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Exactly.,  at least this turd is willing to admit he only cares about himself, the rich and the elites.  He doesn't care about fairness, decency or democracy.

I'm sorry you're hurting. 

 

 

 

No, not really, Im not.

[Mike Honcho 5,316]

And just a reminder for those who claim this is somehow in response to Dem gerrymanders-project REDMAP took place in 2010.  Texas is engaged in re-gerrymandering the state that they have gerrymandered twice since 2010.  

REDMAP (short for Redistricting Majority Project) is a project of the Republican State Leadership Committee of the United States to increase Republican control of congressional seats, as well as state legislatures, largely through manipulating electoral district boundaries. The project has made effective use of partisan gerrymandering by relying on previously unavailable mapping software, such as Caliper Corporation's Maptitude to improve the precision with which district lines are strategically drawn.[1] The strategy was focused on swing blue states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, where there was a Democratic majority, but which they could swing towards Republican with appropriate redistricting. The project was launched in 2010 and estimated to have cost the Republican party around US$30 million.[2]

And before anyone says 'Wiki...', Wiki sources everything---so bring actual links and sources if you do. 

[squistion 2,251]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you claim to stand for fairness, decency and democracy then you can't support Trump.  It's really that simple.  You can't support taking away healthcare and food from working people and giving the money to rich people, support the coverup of a pedo ring, support mobs of masked gestapo disappearing people and say you support  fairness, decency and democracy.  I'm sorry it doesn't work like that.

That is the bottom line. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,374]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you claim to stand for fairness, decency and democracy then you can't support Trump.  It's really that simple.  You can't support taking away healthcare and food from working people and giving the money to rich people, support the coverup of a pedo ring, support mobs of masked gestapo disappearing people and say you support  fairness, decency and democracy.  I'm sorry it doesn't work like that.

retard.  let me know when we become a democracy

 

[seafoam1 3,178]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

retard.  let me know when we become a democracy

 

Oh, you are going to blow up his pea brain with the whole constitutional republic reality. 

[The Real timschochet 6,921]

What Democrats don’t seem to understand- yet- is that Republicans are going to be vulnerable EVERYWHERE in 2026. There are no safe seats. People are going to be shocked by some of the results. The tariff inflation is going to be poisonous to the GOP. 

[Meglamaniac 554]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What Democrats don’t seem to understand- yet- is that Republicans are going to be vulnerable EVERYWHERE in 2026. There are no safe seats. People are going to be shocked by some of the results. The tariff inflation is going to be poisonous to the GOP. 

How many times are you gonna make this 'prediction' of the next big blue wave

[The Real timschochet 6,921]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

How many times are you gonna make this 'prediction' of the next big blue wave

I would imagine a whole lot coming up. Though the closer we get the less I will need to. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,919]

This is all about racist Democrats trying to suppress the growing Hispanic vote that is heavily MAGA.  SAD.  

[Meglamaniac 554]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would imagine a whole lot coming up. Though the closer we get the less I will need to. 

You really have no sense of pride do you?  How many times being proven wrong is it going to take for you to realize you shouldn't be making any prediction about anything.

[Drizzay 725]

"When we do it, it is ok.  When they do it, it is a threat to Democracy"

 

- both sides

[Strike 5,658]

At least one of the legislators who fled Texas did an interview comparing redistricting to the Holocaust.  These are the people that the libs here are defending.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,197]

5 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

How many times are you gonna make this 'prediction' of the next big blue wave

Just ignore him. That's called "Tim-casting": It's the process of incorrectly reading all and any data and making a bold prediction.  I mean, it's akin to someone saying, "You're going to die soon" and in 80 years the person dies and that same person says "I told you so!".  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  Tim is the broken clock.  When he happens to be right (which is very rarely), it's due to luck and circumstances and not any prediction he made based on the data.

At some point I expect the pendulum to swing back to the left and Tim will be here in 10 years in 2035 when it does, proclaiming he was right and Trump's tariffs from 2025 were the reason. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,197]

Anyone find it ironic that those cowardly Dems fled over "gerrymandering" to the two most gerrymandered Democrat states in the nation? 

[Mike Honcho 5,316]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

At least one of the legislators who fled Texas did an interview comparing redistricting to the Holocaust.  These are the people that the libs here are defending.

It's nice that you have found a way to spin the disgusting power grab that Texas legislators per orders from Trump are making. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,197]

5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

It's nice that you have found a way to spin the disgusting power grab that Texas legislators per orders from Trump are making. 

Thanks.  Can you point us to the link where you also condemned the Democrats when they gerrymandered, say, Illinois and California?  I just want to make sure you're being consistent.  TIA!

[Mike Honcho 5,316]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Thanks.  Can you point us to the link where you also condemned the Democrats when they gerrymandered, say, Illinois and California?  I just want to make sure you're being consistent.  TIA!

California, the state that appointed an independent commission to divide the state and will need to have a new election if they are to follow through and actually gerrymander the state in response to Texas.  You might want to actually read before saying stuff like that.

And I've been on record being against gerrymandering in numerous threads and that's been for all states(again try reading).  But ever since the SCOTUS decided it was all right for all the GOP states to legally gerrymand and they have been doing it more and more, I'll less inclined to care when blue states do it now.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,197]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

California, the state that appointed an independent commission to divide the state and will need to have a new election if they are to follow through and actually gerrymander the state in response to Texas.  You might want to actually read before saying stuff like that.

And I've been on record being against gerrymandering in numerous threads and that's been for all states(again try reading).  But ever since the SCOTUS decided it was all right for all the GOP states to legally gerrymand and they have been doing it more and more, I'll less inclined to care when blue states do it now.

Wait...you think CA appointed a "independent commission"? 

I got some bad news for you, but CA is considered one of the gerrymandered states people talk about when they talk about "gerrymandering".  Illinois is even MORE egregious.  

Well, your problem is that your Blue States have ALREADY DONE IT, so it's pretty convenient for you to feign your concern over gerrymandering.  Let's tell "the other guys" not to do it but we've already done so it oh well!  Maybe fix your own states before you get all fake concerned. 

[TimHauck 2,981]

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wait...you think CA appointed a "independent commission"? 

I got some bad news for you, but CA is considered one of the gerrymandered states people talk about when they talk about "gerrymandering".  Illinois is even MORE egregious.  

Well, your problem is that your Blue States have ALREADY DONE IT, so it's pretty convenient for you to feign your concern over gerrymandering.  Let's tell "the other guys" not to do it but we've already done so it oh well!  Maybe fix your own states before you get all fake concerned. 

Do you agree it’s bad when both sides do it?  Because all you’ve done in this thread is whatabout to when Democrats do it (and complain about RealTim)

[Mike Honcho 5,316]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wait...you think CA appointed a "independent commission"? 

I got some bad news for you, but CA is considered one of the gerrymandered states people talk about when they talk about "gerrymandering".  Illinois is even MORE egregious.  

Well, your problem is that your Blue States have ALREADY DONE IT, so it's pretty convenient for you to feign your concern over gerrymandering.  Let's tell "the other guys" not to do it but we've already done so it oh well!  Maybe fix your own states before you get all fake concerned. 

I'm not going to bother with what-aboutism, it's wrong.  It makes it nearly impossible for people to remove a badly performing elected party and it needs to end. 

But, you are wrong as usual. And as I pointed out earlier, operation REDMAP was in 2010, something else you managed to avoid reading. 

 

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The California Citizens Redistricting Commission (CCRC) draws the boundaries of the state's U.S. Congressional, State Senate, State Assembly, and Board of Equalization districts. The commission first met in 2010 and has fourteen members: five commissioners each from the two political parties with the first and second largest statewide registrations, and four commissioners not registered with either of those two parties. The CCRC is permanent, with all fourteen members serving ten-year terms, and all replaced just prior to each decennial redistricting cycle. The commissioner selection process is conducted by the California State Auditor and starts with open applications. As an independent, citizen commission, commissioners are prohibited from an extensive list of political positions and activities for ten years before applying and five to ten years after selection. There is a set timeline during the years ending in “9,” “0,” and “1” for the selection of new commissioners, issuance of draft maps, certification of final maps, and consideration of any challenges to final maps. The CCRC has now successfully redistricted California in both cycles (2010 and 2020) since its creation. Any major change to the CCRC’s current authority, structure, system, or timeline would require an amendment to Article XXI of the California constitution.