Beaker15 246 Posted August 4 10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The posters arguing with @Ron_Artest are: A. Morons B. Members of a cult C. Trolls D. All of the above? E. Owning him as usual 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 241 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said: Is it as authoritarian as spying on the other candidate? Making your DOJ create a narrative to undermine someone’s presidency? Steal an election? Try to incarcerate your political opponent on lame charges? Raid your political opponent’s house without justification? Is Trump that much of an authoritarian? All you're doing is parroting what Trump and his cultists want you to believe, when what they really are doing is projecting. The election wasn't stolen. The DOJ didn't create anything to undermine Trump. The house raid was justified because he illegally brought home classified documents. Trump committed crimes, was convicted of some but dodged others because he became president. This came out in January 2024, and just look at all the stuff that came true: Quote Pardons to License Lawbreaking: During Trump’s first term, he discovered that he could leverage the pardon power to induce witnesses against him into silence. In a second term, he has indicated he would further abuse pardons to incite political violence, incentivize lawbreaking for his benefit, and render himself above the law. Directing Investigations Against Critics and Rivals: Retribution is the dominant theme of Trump’s 2024 campaign, and his allies are making plans to eliminate the Department of Justice’s traditional prosecutorial independence to give Trump greater personal control to direct law enforcement against his perceived opponents and insulate himself from accountability. Regulatory Retaliation: In addition to steering prosecutorial discretion via the Department of Justice, Trump has vowed to consolidate and wield federal regulatory power to reward political loyalty and punish his critics, particularly those associated with the media. There are numerous reports of this regulatory retaliation happening during Trump’s first term, and plans for a second include ways of removing those obstacles that limited opportunities for more. Federal Law Enforcement Overreach: Trump’s declaration that immigration is “poisoning the blood of our country” is a grim foreshadowing of how he will invoke the Alien Enemies Act, a wartime provision dating back to 1798. Once Trump has that power, he has also expressed his will to expand the footprint of federal law enforcement to police cities and shut down lawful protests. Domestic Deployment of the Military: A central hallmark of American democracy is that the U.S. military not be used against American citizens. But Trump plans to abuse the Insurrection Act to order military force to quash dissent and target vulnerable communities. Open your eyes, man, and quit whatabouting wasn't so obvious. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,583 Posted August 4 Wait, the Trump campaign wasn’t spied on? What’s Tim talking about? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gas 158 Posted August 4 On 8/2/2025 at 12:22 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said: You dumb motherf@ckers have no idea what "dictator" even means. FFS, can you guys just use words in the proper meaning and context? Firing someone for poor job performance is not what "dictators" do. This hyperventilating and hysteria you teenage girls have is absurd. Get a f'n grip already. This from the focking idiot who doesn’t know what Marxism is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 4 Bill Beach, the former Trump-appointed BLS commissioner: “These numbers are constructed by hundreds of people. They’re finalized by about 40 people. These 40 people are very professional people who have served under Republicans and Democrats. And the commissioner does not see these numbers until the Wednesday prior to the release on Friday. By that time, the numbers are completely set into the IT system. They have been programmed. They are simply reported to the commissioner, so the commissioner can on Thursday brief the president’s economic team. The commissioner doesn’t have any hand or any influence or any way of even knowing the data until they’re completely done. That’s true of the unemployment rate. That’s true of the jobs numbers.” Trump is lying to you, just like he does every day but you're to stupid to realize it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,208 Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Bill Beach, the former Trump-appointed BLS commissioner: “These numbers are constructed by hundreds of people. They’re finalized by about 40 people. These 40 people are very professional people who have served under Republicans and Democrats. And the commissioner does not see these numbers until the Wednesday prior to the release on Friday. By that time, the numbers are completely set into the IT system. They have been programmed. They are simply reported to the commissioner, so the commissioner can on Thursday brief the president’s economic team. The commissioner doesn’t have any hand or any influence or any way of even knowing the data until they’re completely done. That’s true of the unemployment rate. That’s true of the jobs numbers.” Trump is lying to you, just like he does every day but you're to stupid to realize it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,959 Posted August 4 9 hours ago, Beaker15 said: E. Owning him as usual Keep it in perspective. Tim gave money to BLM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,959 Posted August 4 21 hours ago, thegeneral said: Axelrod looked like a deformed overweight turtle in his prime. He should probably sit out any body shaming. Especially, an athletic alpha gym rat like Father Trump. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,251 Posted August 4 5 hours ago, gas said: This from the focking idiot who doesn’t know what Marxism is. Yeah, okay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,040 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Yeah, okay. He’s absolutely right. You’ve made a series of posts over the last few years which demonstrate your total ignorance on this subject. Worse, your errors have Ben explained to you in detail, many times , and you choose to repeat them anyhow. Impossible to take you seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,589 Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: He’s absolutely right. You’ve made a series of posts over the last few years which demonstrate your total ignorance on this subject. Worse, your errors have Ben explained to you in detail, many times , and you choose to repeat them anyhow. Impossible to take you seriously. Who's Ben you foking retard? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Horseman said: Who's Ben you foking retard? Heard he gives good advise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted August 4 On the one hand she has been pretty bad at her job, the variance in terms of later corrections is pretty substantial. But then again the process by which they conduct this analysis is just not well done, so it should not be surprising their numbers are completely unreliable. Though.....again...the magnitude of error borders on insane..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,251 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: He’s absolutely right. You’ve made a series of posts over the last few years which demonstrate your total ignorance on this subject. Worse, your errors have Ben explained to you in detail, many times , and you choose to repeat them anyhow. Impossible to take you seriously. No he's not and you're not right either. You two have established a gross ignorance on the subject and how it's affecting your party. The fact that you don't want to believe it doesn't make me wrong. It makes you wrong because you're unwilling to face the truth and want to revise history to try and exempt you and your party from it. It's not working now, it won't work in the future so you might as well give up the revisionist history. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,030 Posted August 4 Well this isn’t great Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,208 Posted August 4 16 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well this isn’t great jmhorp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 8 Just as we said, Trump fires the head of the BLS because he doesn't like the data. Then he brings his own guy in with fake data that paints much more Rosy picture of the economy. This is what authoritarians do. Still Fuming Over a Weak Jobs Report, Trump Finds Some Numbers He Likes - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/07/us/politics/trump-new-economic-numbers.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted August 8 Trump says the numbers are “rigged” without even bothering to back that claimed up and his assboys believe it. They like when Daddy lies to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,030 Posted August 9 8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: What does that even say? I can’t read the numbers and it’s blurry when you zoom in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 9 Just now, TimHauck said: What does that even say? I can’t read the numbers and it’s blurry when you zoom in Same here. I can assume they meant median income. There is a blue line and red line. I can assume the the x axis is date, y is money, and the lines are income assuming red team or blue team in charge over time. I'm sure it's all made up. I'm trying to find more zoomed in photos for entertainment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,030 Posted August 9 6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Same here. I can assume they meant median income. There is a blue line and red line. I can assume the the x axis is date, y is money, and the lines are income assuming red team or blue team in charge over time. I'm sure it's all made up. I'm trying to find more zoomed in photos for entertainment. Oh gotcha it was from one of Trump’s props Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 9 34 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Oh gotcha it was from one of Trump’s props Yeah it was the guy from Heritage that they brought in with his own data and charts showing how this is the best economy the likes of which has never been seen before in world history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,732 Posted August 12 Trump's new guy? A Trump lackey who is also a buffoon. The data can't be trusted anymore. Antoni is the chief economist at the Heritage Foundation. He has been a relentless booster of Trump’s policies on social media. And he has demonstrated time and again that he does not understand economic statistics. https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trump-wants-a-bureau-of-maga-statistics/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,208 Posted August 12 30 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Trump's new guy? A Trump lackey who is also a buffoon. The data can't be trusted anymore. Antoni is the chief economist at the Heritage Foundation. He has been a relentless booster of Trump’s policies on social media. And he has demonstrated time and again that he does not understand economic statistics. https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trump-wants-a-bureau-of-maga-statistics/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
