Auto ignition shut off when stopped.

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So this feature is supposed to reduce emissions and be better for the environment.  They found it's not good for the battery, so they mine more lithium (which is worse for the environment that the initial problem), to address the current problem, which isn't as efficient as if they never addressed the "initial problem" in the first place.

This is another "we need to stop cutting down trees and produce plastic instead" situation.

Car batteries for starters don't have lithium, but cool post bro.

[TBayXXXVII 2,560]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Car batteries for starters don't have lithium, but cool post bro.

My bad.  I'm not a car expert.  This can be my metal helmet post.

That said, I'll still take the "W" on the main point of my post as the batteries for EV's (while terrible), are still better for the environment that gas powered vehicle batteries.

I mean, I even gave you a leftist article as a source.

[Bier Meister 1,719]

If i recall, this concept started in the 70's to help reduce the impact of the oil shortage (cost)..so reduce consumption and emissions.

[TheNewGirl 1,506]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So this feature is supposed to reduce emissions and be better for the environment.  They found it's not good for the battery, so they mine more lithium (which is worse for the environment that the initial problem), to address the current problem, which isn't as efficient as if they never addressed the "initial problem" in the first place.

This is another "we need to stop cutting down trees and produce plastic instead" situation.

Lithium aside...the feature isn't good for the starter, motor, and other engine components. Causes more wear due to continually having to restart the car. 

And lead/acid batteries can still harm the environment if not disposed of correctly. 

[TimHauck 2,952]

This guy usually knows what he’s talking about, and says it’s bad.

 

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Lithium aside...the feature isn't good for the starter, motor, and other engine components. Causes more wear due to continually having to restart the car. 

And lead/acid batteries can still harm the environment if not disposed of correctly. 

As was already stated the battery and starter are built for the extra load.

And yes batteries can still harm the environment if not disposed of correctly, which goes for all cars, not just the ones you don't like.

[Horseman 2,500]

They said they make better batteries and starters and the gimp believes it. 

Stoping and starting an engine every time you stop is not good for any part of the engine.  JFC. 

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

15 minutes ago, Horseman said:

They said they make better batteries and starters and the gimp believes it. 

Stoping and starting an engine every time you stop is not good for any part of the engine.  JFC. 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1109687_dont-start-stop-systems-wear-out-your-cars-starter

https://www.varta-automotive.com/knowledge/articles/article-details/special-start-stop-batteries

Idiot.

[Horseman 2,500]

21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1109687_dont-start-stop-systems-wear-out-your-cars-starter

https://www.varta-automotive.com/knowledge/articles/article-details/special-start-stop-batteries

Idiot.

A link from greencarreports.   Who's the idiot.  

Ask any mechanic.  

[Horseman 2,500]

We all know Tiny doesn't work on his own car, just a matter of time until he'll need to talk to a mechanic anyway. We can wait.  

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

57 minutes ago, Horseman said:

A link from greencarreports.   Who's the idiot.  

Ask any mechanic.  

How about this from a mechanic?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMechanics/s/Yspd6qnkrU

If you drive in stop and go traffic, it definitely saves gas. The starter wear is not an issue. First, it's not the same starter as in a regular engine. Second, restarts on a warm engine represent a fraction of the wear compared to a cold start. So early wear is a non-issue. Premature engine wear is also not an issue because these engines have oil retaining bearings, so restart lube isn't an issue. What the carmakers are discovering is that, even though AGM batteries are designed to handle many more discharge/charge cycles than a flooded battery, they're not lasting as long as projected. They're twice the price of a flooded battery, so you should factor that into to your projected gas cost saving. Your worries about starters is unfounded.

Idiot.

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMechanics/s/r8slvBu1un

I have not seen any start stop failures cause any damage to a starter or battery. Lots of folks ask me to install a bypass to shut off the system.

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMechanics/s/qTJMqQQtA0

the starters do not go bad faster. they're just more expensive. turn it off depending on driving habits. 11 seconds idle to one stop/start

Maybe @Horseman should stop running his mouth so much

[HellToupee 1,833]

I shocked to see a pro stop/start guy. Up is down , left is right etc. Never disappoints 

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

27 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I shocked to see a pro stop/start guy. Up is down , left is right etc. Never disappoints 

If you're talking about me, I'm not "pro start stop".  I don't own one, wouldn't want to buy one, but if my next car has the feature I probably won't cry about it.

I'm just setting the record straight in that the starter and battery are built different to support the function, and that engineers and mechanics agree with me.

[Horseman 2,500]

35 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I shocked to see a pro stop/start guy. Up is down , left is right etc. Never disappoints 

We should make up something totally irrelevant and tell him liberals love it.  He'll start arguing for it, guaranteed. Running around finding proof on reddit for it. 

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

They said they make better batteries and starters and the gimp believes it. 

Doesn't get any dumber than this.  This is worse than metal helmet.

[Horseman 2,500]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Doesn't get any dumber than this.  This is worse than metal helmet.

Supply in demand guy trying so hard.

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

10 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Supply in demand guy trying so hard.

Wasn't hard at all to prove you wrong.  You wanna pivot to supply and demand?  Got any advise for me or could you care less?

[Alias Detective 1,413]

I don’t care if it saves me a nickel in gas.  It’s annoying as hell and my truck suffers when “taking off”.  So, for those who don’t have the feature yet say it’s not a hindrance are special.    

[Horseman 2,500]

46 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I don’t care if it saves me a nickel in gas.  It’s annoying as hell and my truck suffers when “taking off”.  So, for those who don’t have the feature yet say it’s not a hindrance are special.    

The stuttering is good, they made the stutterers better to handle it.  

[MikeMatt 142]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Well he did already say in this thread that he was dumb 

That’s not nice. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,032]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

  I don't own one,

Only nice cars offer that feature  

[easilyscan 938]

9 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

So I asked the dealer about this when I bought the car and he said the same thing, “better starter and battery”. So I asked why they haven’t used those better parts before this feature or with the cars without this feature?

Its bullshiit. 

Amen

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

12 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Only nice cars offer that feature  

All my cars are old, 2015, 2106, 2020, 2022

[Horseman 2,500]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

All my cars are old, 2015, 2106, 2020, 2022

How many are you still making payments on?

[Ron_Artest 1,612]

Just now, Horseman said:

How many are you still making payments on?

None.  Why is that funny to you?

[avoiding injuries 1,600]

9 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

The Jeep Grand Cherokee, like many modern vehicles, features an Auto Stop/Start system, also known as ESS (Engine Stop-Start), which automatically shuts off the engine when the vehicle is stopped to save fuel. To manually disable the system, there's a dedicated stop/start switch. Pressing this switch will turn off the system, and the switch's light will indicate that it's disabled. The system can be re-enabled by pressing the switch again. 

How it works:

The Auto Stop/Start system activates automatically when the engine is started. 

When the vehicle is brought to a complete stop, the engine will shut down. 

To restart the engine, simply release the brake pedal or gently press the accelerator. 

The instrument cluster's stop/start page can be used to check the system's status. 

The system is designed to save fuel by not idling while the vehicle is stationary. 

 

 

Lol. I know about the button, I thought you permanently disabled it. 

[SUXBNME 1,524]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 What the carmakers are discovering is that, even though AGM batteries are designed to handle many more discharge/charge cycles than a flooded battery, they're not lasting as long as projected. They're twice the price of a flooded battery, so you should factor that into to your projected gas cost saving. Your worries about starters is unfounded.

 

Agreed with most of the above
Pretty good quick vid below 

The TRUTH About Auto Stop-Start System (Nobody Talks About) - YouTube

[WhiteWonder 2,786]

you know gutternuts is lost when timhack is in agreement that the feature sucks. 

 

Look, I am all for having the feature in a vehicle IF the off button is a permanent off button until/if you decide to enable it again. That doesn't seem to be the case in most vehicles i've been in that have it (mainly Jeep grand cherokee and cherokee) so as already mentioned, you have to remember to switch it off as soon as you get in and start up the car.   It is far worse on the starter, battery and engine than it is good for the environment, especially when 75% of the time you are stopped for mere seconds... really cutting down on emissions there. 

I do believe there is a way to disable it permanently if you don't mind a light being on your dash 

 

edit: I see maxikill  already posted a video showing the same.