Charlie Kirk was just shot

[Maximum Overkill 2,272]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

the anonymous claim he was dating a tranny?

Not a claim, it's fact. His own Dad and Friends say it's 100% true. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 483]

2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOmsJScDE4V/?igsh=MThxZnZqYWliOTA4MQ==
 

every leftist must watch this and if you don’t agree with this black dude you’re racist 

I’m watching this but - looking at the very first exchange - I just want to point out again this includes some stuff that there are people on the extreme right would be very unhappy with much more than liberals.

[TimHauck 3,117]

2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

"but granny is reliable"

-tim

I don’t think granny is reliable.  And like I said  it seems likely he was a lib.  There just isn’t that much evidence for it yet (but even less evidence he was a groyper)

[The Real timschochet 7,119]

2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Prove to me I’m racist. You’re the most stupid person who posts here. You have zero logic and contribute nothing. 

FWIW @RaiderHaters Revenge I don’t think you’re a racist. You’ve made some comments about race here which I STRONGLY disagree with but that’s not the same thing. There are definitely some racists here. You’re not one of them IMO. 

[TimHauck 3,117]

9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Not a claim, it's fact. His own Dad … say it's 100% true. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have no desire to get into such an idiotic discussion with you.

Hey Strike are you going to call out Maximum Tranny for posting blatant lies?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,702]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

FWIW @RaiderHaters Revenge I don’t think you’re a racist. You’ve made some comments about race here which I STRONGLY disagree with but that’s not the same thing. There are definitely some racists here. You’re not one of them IMO. 

I don’t think he cares what you think. 

[Strike 5,836]

Apparently I've triggered Hack and he's going to run around bumping sh!t to try to get me to engage with him.  He may be off his meds again.

[Maximum Overkill 2,272]

Just now, Strike said:

Apparently I've triggered Hack and he's going to run around bumping sh!t to try to get me to engage with him.  He may be off his meds again.

That's all he's got. This is what Liberals do when called out. @TimHauck knows what he is. 

[Strike 5,836]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That's all he's got. This is what Liberals do when called out. @TimHauck knows what he is. 

I know what he is too.  He's Arnie from the movie What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

[TimHauck 3,117]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I know what he is too.  He's Arnie from the movie What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

Why would you reply to me acting shocked that I’m not convinced Robinson is a lib, listing the evidence pointing that way, only to run away when I asked you to provide any evidence I was missing?

Typical cowardly behavior from you.

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42 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There’s also this.

I never questioned that he said it multiple times.  In this one, he corrected the kid that he didn't say it should be overturned, he said it was a mistake.  Kid says that's crazy.  Charlie challenges him to try to figure it out.  Kid is well spoken, well dressed, Charlie is pushing his mind to think.

I don't know if any of your Leftist sites mention it, but Kirk thought the CRA created a DEI monster that was anti-Constitutional in its suppression of free speech and in creating an anti-white bureaucracy.

Unless you think he meant that coloreds shouldn't go to the same school as whites, like Gutter seems to since he included it in his mindless cut and paste.  In which case I'm done with the discussion.

ETA:  My first paragraph is a great example of why the Left hated him.  He treated that kid like an intelligent young man who could grow to have complex liberal philosophical discussions.  The Left doesn't want that for black kids.  The Left wants them to hear happy things as they grow into the next generation of subservient voting block.

[Grace Under Pressure 132]

This is dangerous. Don’t incite violence. Don’t do the divisive culture war crap. Kids have grown up on this groyper garbage. This is MAGA and Trump stuff. Stop already. Wake up. 

[Strike 5,836]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why would you reply to me acting shocked that I’m not convinced Robinson is a lib, listing the evidence pointing that way, only to run away when I asked you to provide any evidence I was missing?

Typical cowardly behavior from you.

I asked a simple question. You answered it.  I have no desire to try to convince you of something that you obviously can't be convinced of.  And that's ok.  It's actually ok to disagree.   We don't have to argue until were blue in the face on things we will never agree on.  

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

We shouldn't have civil rights because they are anti-white?  Seriously?  That's the argument.  Pathetic.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I asked a simple question. You answered it.  I have no desire to try to convince you of something that you obviously can't be convinced of.  And that's ok.  It's actually ok to disagree.   We don't have to argue until were blue in the face on things we will never agree on.  

I thought my question was fair.  What evidence is there he was a lib, other than:

-didn’t like Kirk

-might not have liked fascists

-might have been gay or dating a tranny

Honest question.   Just want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

[SaintsInDome2006 483]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I never questioned that he said it multiple times.  In this one, he corrected the kid that he didn't say it should be overturned, he said it was a mistake.  Kid says that's crazy.  Charlie challenges him to try to figure it out.  Kid is well spoken, well dressed, Charlie is pushing his mind to think.

I don't know if any of your Leftist sites mention it, but Kirk thought the CRA created a DEI monster that was anti-Constitutional in its suppression of free speech and in creating an anti-white bureaucracy.

Unless you think he meant that coloreds shouldn't go to the same school as whites, like Gutter seems to since he included it in his mindless cut and paste.  In which case I'm done with the discussion.

ETA:  My first paragraph is a great example of why the Left hated him.  He treated that kid like an intelligent young man who could grow to have complex liberal philosophical discussions.  The Left doesn't want that for black kids.  The Left wants them to hear happy things as they grow into the next generation of subservient voting block.

Here is the transcript of that Rumble interview.

- I don’t mind discussing it. But I need to take a break to do some stuff & then I’ll come back to this to give it full credit. Thanks for the response.

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3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We shouldn't have civil rights because they are anti-white?  Seriously?  That's the argument.  Pathetic.

 Copy/paste guy didn't watch the video I took the time to find, post, and summarize to his question.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 Copy/paste guy didn't watch the video I took the time to find, post, and summarize to his question.

Im done watching dead guy videos.  If you can't use your words like a grown up then go away

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Im done watching dead guy videos.  If you can't use your words like a grown up then go away

3 foot tall tough guy here

[thegeneral 3,392]

What was Kirk’s alternative to the Civil Rights Act?

[seafoam1 3,245]

4 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

3 foot tall tough guy here

He bought lifts for his shoes. 

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

3 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

3 foot tall tough guy here

Not being a tough guy I'm just sick of people telling me how everything he said was out of context and I just need to watch more of us videos.  I've watched them, he's still hateful and ignorant.  Prove me wrong.

[jerryskids 6,958]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Not being a tough guy I'm just sick of people telling me how everything he said was out of context and I just need to watch more of us videos.  I've watched them, he's still hateful and ignorant.  Prove me wrong.

Do you think he wanted to keep the negroes in the back of the bus, yes or no?

Hate to go TimHauck on you here, but you are acting all indignant and haven't rebutted my position that the CRA comment was out of context.  Which, by the way, I used words on.  Way more than you are worth in this discussion, it would seem.

[thegeneral 3,392]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Do you think he wanted to keep the negroes in the back of the bus, yes or no?

Hate to go TimHauck on you here, but you are acting all indignant and haven't rebutted my position that the CRA comment was out of context.  Which, by the way, I used words on.  Way more than you are worth in this discussion, it would seem.

Do you think liberals want to do this?

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Do you think liberals want to do this?

Why would you ask that?  This sub-discussion started when Gutter copied and pasted a list of bad Kirk sayings from one of his Leftie sites, then challenged people to show how any of them were out of context.  I did that, unless Gutter believes, despite what I said, that Kirk thinks the black folk should stay out of whitey schools.

[thegeneral 3,392]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Why would you ask that?  This sub-discussion started when Gutter copied and pasted a list of bad Kirk sayings from one of his Leftie sites, then challenged people to show how any of them were out of context.  I did that, unless Gutter believes, despite what I said, that Kirk thinks the black folk should stay out of whitey schools.

I’m reading through this page, you had just previously made a comment that was absurd related to this. So was asking for you to clarify. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

I’m reading through this page, you had just previously made a comment that was absurd related to this. So was asking for you to clarify. 

I believe, and I suspect Kirk did, that the CRA had the effect of doing what I said.

I also believe, and have said here many times, that the Left has the soft bigotry of low expectations when it comes to black people.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Do you think he wanted to keep the negroes in the back of the bus, yes or no?

Hate to go TimHauck on you here, but you are acting all indignant and haven't rebutted my position that the CRA comment was out of context.  Which, by the way, I used words on.  Way more than you are worth in this discussion, it would seem.

I have no idea what he wanted nor do I care.  The civil rights act was not a mistake.  Even if this anti white excuse was a result, it's still not a mistake to give blacks the same rights as whites.  I can't believe I have to explain this.

What do you think he wanted for blacks without civil rights?

[thegeneral 3,392]

When you say things like the CRA was a mistake and give no alternative, say blacks had it better in the 40’s I kind of think you are taking the piss as they say. 

 

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I have no idea what he wanted nor do I care.  The civil rights act was not a mistake.  Even if this anti white excuse was a result, it's still not a mistake to give blacks the same rights as whites.  I can't believe I have to explain this.

What do you think he wanted for blacks without civil rights?

Seriously, how could anyone believe otherwise? 

[thegeneral 3,392]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I believe, and I suspect Kirk did, that the CRA had the effect of doing what I said.

I also believe, and have said here many times, that the Left has the soft bigotry of low expectations when it comes to black people.

Ok I think that is absurd. We can agree to disagree on this point.

Telling black people that they just don’t know what’s good for them and explaining to them why the CRA was actually bad and that by golly things were just better for them in the 40’s kind of smacks of soft bigotry.

 

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

Just now, squistion said:

Seriously, how could anyone believe otherwise? 

I don't get these people.  I would like to think we find common ground, but if you don't think discrimination should be legal then that ain't happening.

[The Real timschochet 7,119]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought my question was fair.  What evidence is there he was a lib, other than:

-didn’t like Kirk

-might not have liked fascists

-might have been gay or dating a tranny

Honest question.   Just want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

First off I don’t think “lib” meaning liberal, and leftist are interchangeable. As I wrote earlier no matter what this guy is NOT a liberal. He may be a leftist. Or he may be a right wing “groyper”- such a weird thing. 

The only reason for me that I suspect there’s a pretty good chance that he’s a leftist is that the governor of Utah said so and that guy (the governor) doesn’t strike me as dishonest. He’s not MAGA, more of an old line Republican and he seems to have integrity. So unless his info is wrong (always possible) I trust he’s telling the truth and that this murderer leans left. 

The trouble however for me is that I do NOT trust anything that comes out of Kash Patel’s mouth- that dude IS a liar. So we’ll see how it plays out. 
 

Whether or not he’s a lefty or a righty doesn’t mean much to me. He’s a crazy evil person who deserves, IMO, the death penalty. And personally I don’t see any kind of pattern between violence and the rhetoric of the radical left or the radical right. Trump’s rhetoric, and a few others on either side, is totally irresponsible. But this silly game of “your side is the one that caused this!” is really quite dangerous. I won’t play it. I wish others wouldn’t either. 

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

So the explanation is that the CRA was a mistake because it created anti-white sentiment, so the alternative is to go back to anti-black laws.  Unreal.

[KSB2424 3,152]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought my question was fair.  What evidence is there he was a lib, other than:

-didn’t like Kirk

-might not have liked fascists

-might have been gay or dating a tranny

Honest question.   Just want to make sure I’m not missing anything.

Common Sense

Occam’s Razor

Are you serious Clark?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,702]

35 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

This is dangerous. Don’t incite violence. Don’t do the divisive culture war crap. Kids have grown up on this groyper garbage. This is MAGA and Trump stuff. Stop already. Wake up. 

Much better to chop body parts up so they can make believe they are women or men. 

[TimHauck 3,117]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off I don’t think “lib” meaning liberal, and leftist are interchangeable. As I wrote earlier no matter what this guy is NOT a liberal. He may be a leftist. Or he may be a right wing “groyper”- such a weird thing. 

The only reason for me that I suspect there’s a pretty good chance that he’s a leftist is that the governor of Utah said so and that guy (the governor) doesn’t strike me as dishonest. He’s not MAGA, more of an old line Republican and he seems to have integrity. So unless his info is wrong (always possible) I trust he’s telling the truth and that this murderer leans left. 

The trouble however for me is that I do NOT trust anything that comes out of Kash Patel’s mouth- that dude IS a liar. So we’ll see how it plays out. 
 

Whether or not he’s a lefty or a righty doesn’t mean much to me. He’s a crazy evil person who deserves, IMO, the death penalty. And personally I don’t see any kind of pattern between violence and the rhetoric of the radical left or the radical right. Trump’s rhetoric, and a few others on either side, is totally irresponsible. But this silly game of “your side is the one that caused this!” is really quite dangerous. I won’t play it. I wish others wouldn’t either. 

Fun fact.  Charlie Kirk said Utah’s governor should be expelled from the Republican Party.  He seems like an idiot to me and has already been caught making false statements. And his “info” might be being laundered from Patel anyway to give Patel plausible deniability 

[KSB2424 3,152]

I popped in to see, yup.  The usual suspects are doubling down. It’s actually disheartening to see.  Void of any reason or morality.  

[seafoam1 3,245]

Liberals are violent and need to be stopped at all cost. 

[The Real timschochet 7,119]

I think that Rand Paul’s objection to the Civil Rights Act is legitimate: on libertarian grounds the government shouldn’t be telling private businesses who to hire. I don’t agree with the argument- I think that trying to do away with racism supersedes libertarian principles- but it’s a debatable point and not a racist one. 

Kirk’s argument seemed to be a little different: more of a process objection rather than a principled libertarian objection. I’m not an expert on his POV but my sense is that he has no objection to the principle of the CRA, he just believes that it didn’t work out well in practice for black people. Which is, IMO, a terrible argument and not very legitimate. One has only to study the differences in lifestyles for blacks in the South before and after 1965, their ability to receive an equal education, use facilities restricted to whites, attend universities and gain entrance into professions to know that it’s utterly hogwash. 
 

But even so Kirk made other arguments which IMO were far more offensive: especially his views about American Muslims, transgenders, and the role of women in society.