Trump deploying National Guard troops to Portland

[squistion 2,409]

4 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Let’s call a spade a spade. It’s squis although there are a few resident geeks who persecute Rusty 

Fun Fact: Since my return here about 2-3 years ago, I have not reported anyone on the forum. Believe it or don't.

[Fnord 2,447]

55 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So some very serious people seem to believe that these national guard actions are all part of a scheme for Trump to invoke the insurrection act and then interfere with next year’s elections: either call them off or at least try to curtail voting in the big cities so as to produce a fraudulent outcome. Among those who have suggested this are Governor Pritzker of Illinois and Robert Reich. 
 

Myself I don’t quite believe it. I typically reject almost all conspiracy theories, whether from the left or the right. Trump’s behavior seems to me, as usual, to be more spur of the moment- he’s never struck me as a plan things out kind of guy. 
 

Still it is worrisome. I would hope that, if things start to move in this sort of direction, at least SOME of the conservatives here who claim to be libertarian minded would turn against the guy, finally. 

Oh Tim, you silly goose. This is precisely what is occurring. These moves are obviously provocative in nature. Trump is inviting violence to justify whatever measures he feels are warranted when the incident finally occurs. Spoiler alert: warranted actions will include at the very least altering elections, emergency orders, and military in the streets.

This is literally the wet dream scenario of every conspiracy theorist out there. Regrettably, these folks have always been convinced these things will be done by a Democratic POTUS and therefore have completely inoculated themselves to the possibility that authoritarianism is coming from them.

If the loyalists haven't been swayed yet, I fear they never will be. The RWM will not allow them to see negative things about Trump. Nothing will change until Fox news and some of its brethren start to question motives. I would be pleasantly shocked if that ever happens. This crowd has been nurtured on liberal hate for 30+ years. It is extremely engrained. And you've seen our resident examples of posters claiming to be libertarians. They don't seem to understand the concept.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,892]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Oh Tim, you silly goose. This is precisely what is occurring. These moves are obviously provocative in nature. Trump is inviting violence to justify whatever measures he feels are warranted when the incident finally occurs. Spoiler alert: warranted actions will include at the very least altering elections, emergency orders, and military in the streets.

This is literally the wet dream scenario of every conspiracy theorist out there. Regrettably, these folks have always been convinced these things will be done by a Democratic POTUS and therefore have completely inoculated themselves to the possibility that authoritarianism is coming from them.

If the loyalists haven't been swayed yet, I fear they never will be. The RWM will not allow them to see negative things about Trump. Nothing will change until Fox news and some of its brethren start to question motives. I would be pleasantly shocked if that ever happens. This crowd has been nurtured on liberal hate for 30+ years. It is extremely engrained. And you've seen our resident examples of posters claiming to be libertarians. They don't seem to understand the concept.

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37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

lol, oops!

[Shock & Awe 1]

Good lord.

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22 minutes ago, Shock & Awe said:

Good lord.

Princess sandy strikes again. 

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8 hours ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact: Since my return here about 2-3 years ago, I have not reported anyone on the forum. Believe it or don't.

Fun Fact:  You're a known liar

[HellToupee 2,088]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

Fun Fact:  You're a known liar

He used to say the same thing at FBG. He’s a habitual liar

[Voltaire 5,428]

15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

So some very serious people seem to believe that these national guard actions are all part of a scheme for Trump to invoke the insurrection act and then interfere with next year’s elections: either call them off or at least try to curtail voting in the big cities so as to produce a fraudulent outcome. Among those who have suggested this are Governor Pritzker of Illinois and Robert Reich. 
 

Myself I don’t quite believe it. I typically reject almost all conspiracy theories, whether from the left or the right. Trump’s behavior seems to me, as usual, to be more spur of the moment- he’s never struck me as a plan things out kind of guy. 
 

Still it is worrisome. I would hope that, if things start to move in this sort of direction, at least SOME of the conservatives here who claim to be libertarian minded would turn against the guy, finally. 

 

14 hours ago, Fnord said:

Oh Tim, you silly goose. This is precisely what is occurring. These moves are obviously provocative in nature. Trump is inviting violence to justify whatever measures he feels are warranted when the incident finally occurs. Spoiler alert: warranted actions will include at the very least altering elections, emergency orders, and military in the streets.

This is literally the wet dream scenario of every conspiracy theorist out there. Regrettably, these folks have always been convinced these things will be done by a Democratic POTUS and therefore have completely inoculated themselves to the possibility that authoritarianism is coming from them.

If the loyalists haven't been swayed yet, I fear they never will be. The RWM will not allow them to see negative things about Trump. Nothing will change until Fox news and some of its brethren start to question motives. I would be pleasantly shocked if that ever happens. This crowd has been nurtured on liberal hate for 30+ years. It is extremely engrained. And you've seen our resident examples of posters claiming to be libertarians. They don't seem to understand the concept.

Tim has the right of it and Fnord is deep in the whackadoddle koolaid.

Trump is solving -or at least trying to solve- longstanding, intractable problems with new approaches. He doesn't much care for following the same precedents that don't work. Securing neighborhoods in crime blighted communities is one such problem and it nets him votes among the residents who live there, aren't criminals, and like safe streets. Undermining Democrats by peeling off hard working blue collar minorities living in failed Democratic Party strongholds represents the future grown of the Republican Party. The only election altering going on is attempts at changing people's minds about which party is actually beneficial for themselves, their communities, and their country. There's no reason why decent people of good character of any skin tone should be voting for the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the party of decent honest people who work hard and play by the rules. The Democrats are the collection of well meaning but deluded environmentalist and abortion advocates in an alliance with socialists, race hustlers, criminals, drug cartels, sexual perverts, terrorist supporters, illegal aliens, and welfare cheats overseen all loosely controlled by corporatist globalist jet-setting elite who have no qualms about exporting / offshoring American jobs to third world sh*tholes.

The only thing they have going for them is spreading fear about fascism and whatnot. I happen to notice we're the good guys that love the country and its history and its values while they're the ones spreading America hating white colonialism, white supremacy garbage and going through history turning all the people they like gay.

 

[Fnord 2,447]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

 

Tim has the right of it and Fnord is deep in the whackadoddle koolaid.

Trump is solving -or at least trying to solve- longstanding, intractable problems with new approaches. He doesn't much care for following the same precedents that don't work. Securing neighborhoods in crime blighted communities is one such problem and it nets him votes among the residents who live there, aren't criminals, and like safe streets. Undermining Democrats by peeling off hard working blue collar minorities living in failed Democratic Party strongholds represents the future grown of the Republican Party. The only election altering going on is attempts at changing people's minds about which party is actually beneficial for themselves, their communities, and their country. There's no reason why decent people of good character of any skin tone should be voting for the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the party of decent honest people who work hard and play by the rules. The Democrats are the collection of well meaning but deluded environmentalist and abortion advocates in an alliance with socialists, race hustlers, criminals, drug cartels, sexual perverts, terrorist supporters, illegal aliens, and welfare cheats overseen all loosely controlled by corporatist globalist jet-setting elite who have no qualms about exporting / offshoring American jobs to third world sh*tholes.

The only thing they have going for them is spreading fear about fascism and whatnot. I happen to notice we're the good guys that love the country and its history and its values while they're the ones spreading America hating white colonialism, white supremacy garbage and going through history turning all the people they like gay.

 

Respectfully, for you to follow up a statement that I'm "deep in the whackadoodle koolaid" with the above bolded tripe is would have been astonishing in the before times. Now it's just standard fare and you're just another abjectly deluded hyper-partisan acolyte regurgitating absurdities.

I hope you are right and my feelings on this have gotten horribly skewed, honestly. I don't want my predictions to come true. It would be tragic. But even more tragic from where I stand is how decent people like you have come to blindly accept the above. And how that continued belief will prevent many MAGA from seeing or believing what is occurring in front of their eyes. You are a cohort of folks that have bowed down before an authoritarian and I suspect will turn a blind eye when he really goes for the power grab, like claiming "plenary authority." 

You will contentedly blame Democrats for everything bad while the GOP has complete control and your President assumes as much power as he possibly can. If you ever realize the idiocy of your position, it will probably be too late. 

Notice here how I am able to separate you, a decent but misinformed (IMO) fellow American, from your political beliefs, which I find more abhorrent by the day. It would be cool if you and some of your MAGAites could ever return that simple consideration. But I know better, regrettably.

[Mike Hunt 301]

Local business in Portland welcomes National Guard.

 

Portland, Oregon:  Business owners sounded the alarm over the city's rising crime crisis Tuesday as President Donald Trump faces road in keeping federal troops on the ground to help mitigate the problem.

"We need some serious help here," said Amy Nichols, whose local business has been the victim of 10 break-ins in the last 2 years.

After years of struggle, Nichols believes the president’s push to keep National Guard troops in Portland could help shift things in the right direction and draw greater attention to the problems local business face in Portland.

"Something needs to be done, and if this is what we need to do to get our leaders paying attention to what's happening in Portland,  I think it's a good thing," 

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10 hours ago, HellToupee said:

He used to say the same thing at FBG. He’s a habitual liar

PATHOLOGICAL 

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MAGA is “the good guys who love the country”? 

What a joke.

MAGA loves Donald Trump, and are traitors against America, Democracy, and the constitution.

America doesn’t send troops against its own citizens. Treasonous authoritarians do that.

If you support this, look in the mirror. You have been brainwashed into thinking “liberalz run cities!” need to be invaded by the military. Because Donald Trump told you it was good. Think about that while you destroy Democracy. “Love the country the most!” Get real.

 

[thegeneral 3,468]

Old Donnie Yam just practicing his National Guard act for when the election is “stolen” in 2028.

[The Real timschochet 7,247]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

 

Tim has the right of it and Fnord is deep in the whackadoddle koolaid.

Trump is solving -or at least trying to solve- longstanding, intractable problems with new approaches. He doesn't much care for following the same precedents that don't work. Securing neighborhoods in crime blighted communities is one such problem and it nets him votes among the residents who live there, aren't criminals, and like safe streets. Undermining Democrats by peeling off hard working blue collar minorities living in failed Democratic Party strongholds represents the future grown of the Republican Party. The only election altering going on is attempts at changing people's minds about which party is actually beneficial for themselves, their communities, and their country. There's no reason why decent people of good character of any skin tone should be voting for the Democratic Party. The Republicans are the party of decent honest people who work hard and play by the rules. The Democrats are the collection of well meaning but deluded environmentalist and abortion advocates in an alliance with socialists, race hustlers, criminals, drug cartels, sexual perverts, terrorist supporters, illegal aliens, and welfare cheats overseen all loosely controlled by corporatist globalist jet-setting elite who have no qualms about exporting / offshoring American jobs to third world sh*tholes.

The only thing they have going for them is spreading fear about fascism and whatnot. I happen to notice we're the good guys that love the country and its history and its values while they're the ones spreading America hating white colonialism, white supremacy garbage and going through history turning all the people they like gay.

 

I’m glad you think I have the right of it but you should know that I disagree with about 99% of what you wrote here. Just because I doubt Trump is capable of the long term planning that @Fnord and others suspect of him of in regards to this latest national guard business doesn’t mean I’m ok with what’s he’s doing. I’m not. It’s awful, immoral, un-American. Poor destitute hard working undocumented people are not criminals. They should not be treated this way, made to live in fear. This is not who we’re supposed to be. 

The rest of your post is, IMO, irrational. Your imagined view of liberals is pretty dark and doesn’t at all match reality. 

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1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

Local business in Portland welcomes National Guard.

 

Portland, Oregon:  Business owners sounded the alarm over the city's rising crime crisis Tuesday as President Donald Trump faces road in keeping federal troops on the ground to help mitigate the problem.

"We need some serious help here," said Amy Nichols, whose local business has been the victim of 10 break-ins in the last 2 years.

After years of struggle, Nichols believes the president’s push to keep National Guard troops in Portland could help shift things in the right direction and draw greater attention to the problems local business face in Portland.

"Something needs to be done, and if this is what we need to do to get our leaders paying attention to what's happening in Portland,  I think it's a good thing," 

I read the same article from Fox News. Next time you should provide the link. 

A lot of different things can be true at the same time. Crime in any large downtown city is always going to be a concern. There will always be local merchants who look positively at any increased police presence, and that makes sense from their perspective. It still doesn’t make it right from a larger perspective, especially when we combine it with Trump’s stated goals and the immoral activity that ICE agents are already engaged in. 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I read the same article from Fox News. Next time you should provide the link. 

A lot of different things can be true at the same time. Crime in any large downtown city is always going to be a concern. There will always be local merchants who look positively at any increased police presence, and that makes sense from their perspective. It still doesn’t make it right from a larger perspective, especially when we combine it with Trump’s stated goals and the immoral activity that ICE agents are already engaged in. 

He obviously didn't provide the link because the source was Fox News

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Oh noes not fox news

 

 

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I saw a video of people walking in hire dogs in mostly peaceful Portland.  I don’t see much difference between now and the mostly peaceful a little burny protests in 2020.  

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36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m glad you think I have the right of it but you should know that I disagree with about 99% of what you wrote here. Just because I doubt Trump is capable of the long term planning that @Fnord and others suspect of him of in regards to this latest national guard business doesn’t mean I’m ok with what’s he’s doing. I’m not. It’s awful, immoral, un-American. Poor destitute hard working undocumented people are not criminals. They should not be treated this way, made to live in fear. This is not who we’re supposed to be. 

The rest of your post is, IMO, irrational. Your imagined view of liberals is pretty dark and doesn’t at all match reality. 

I think you are correct in that Trump is wholly incapable of the strategy and long-term planning necessary. That's why he's not doing any of it. This is all Stephen Miller, who I am wholly comfortable calling a fascist. Trump is just along for the ride to realize further self aggrandizement and power. The nuts and bolts of anything has never mattered to him. We also have to remember that the architects of P2025 don't GAF who the POTUS is, it just needs to have an R behind the name. The consolidation of power was never contingent on Trump being POTUS, he's just the demagogue figurehead that is soulless enough to make it all work. 

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25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I read the same article from Fox News. Next time you should provide the link. 

A lot of different things can be true at the same time. Crime in any large downtown city is always going to be a concern. There will always be local merchants who look positively at any increased police presence, and that makes sense from their perspective. It still doesn’t make it right from a larger perspective, especially when we combine it with Trump’s stated goals and the immoral activity that ICE agents are already engaged in. 

Trump is enforcing our immigration laws.  Don't like it, change the law.  Also the ICE activity would not be so prevalent if Joe didn't open the borders and let in around 10 million of which some are terrorists and deranged killers.  No outrage over this, I'm sure.

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6 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Trump is enforcing our immigration laws.  Don't like it, change the law.  

Why? Trump would just ignore it anyway, like he has continually. Most of his "accomplishments" have been attained illegally and are still working their way through the courts. By the time that's finished, the damage will be done and mostly irreversible. 

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Why? Trump would just ignore it anyway, like he has continually. Most of his "accomplishments" have been attained illegally and are still working their way through the courts. By the time that's finished, the damage will be done and mostly irreversible. 

Paranoid and delusional. Maybe try a more a less potent strain Cheech? 

[The Real timschochet 7,247]

27 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Trump is enforcing our immigration laws.  Don't like it, change the law.  Also the ICE activity would not be so prevalent if Joe didn't open the borders and let in around 10 million of which some are terrorists and deranged killers.  No outrage over this, I'm sure.

1. He’s enforcing the law unfairly and I believe illegally. I hold what he’s doing as immoral and un-American. Yes these laws need to be changed. In the meantime we should not enforce them unjustly. 

2. The 10 million figure is a conservative talking point based on estimates of border encounters during the Biden years. Realistically the number is around half that. Even so it was problematic, but I don’t blame Biden for relaxing the draconian methods that Trump attempted during his first term. I would have done the same. The bigger question is why so many people chose to come here and what we can do to stabilize the economies of countries south of us. This is a vital issue that both Democrats and Republicans continue to ignore. 
 

3. In every large group of people there are some bad ones. I am not minimizing their crimes by suggesting that (a) they are not representative of the whole and (b) we should not base our policies on the whole based on the actions of a few. 

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43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe try a more a less potent strain Cheech? 

I'm sober. You're the one that can't type straight. Maybe check your meds, boomer.

I'm better on my worst day than you are on your best, even stoned to bejesus. Put that strain in your pipe and smoke it. 

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11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Maybe check your meds, boomer.

You insulted a large portion of the geek club with this flex. Glad I was born on year 1 of gen X

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This is what a war zone looks like.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,892]

Grown men throwing around the Boomer thing. My twenty something nieces and nephews do that.  You’re grown men for gods sake. Act like it.