The Religion of Peace Strikes Again-Australian Ediition

[5-Points 3,838]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

People kill people. Guns is the preferred method.

Exactly. 

Guns are also the preferred method of protection against those people. 

[MDC 8,062]

Just now, 5-Points said:

Exactly. 

Guns are also the preferred method of protection against those people. 

And also the weapon of choice for killers. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,593]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

People kill people. Guns is the preferred method.

Actually you're wrong. Stabbing deaths far outpace gun deaths. 

[Ron_Artest 2,398]

11 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If 500 million firearms were turned lose to wreak havoc tomorrow, we would be a country of about 50 million overnight. 

You're seeing what you want to see. 

That's your threshold for a problem?  

You don't care that schools keep getting shot up, you don't care that thousands of kids each year die from guns, just admit it.

[MDC 8,062]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Actually you're wrong. Stabbing deaths far outpace gun deaths. 

In the US, firearms are used in more homicides than every other type of weapon combined. 

[Mr Fantasy 134]

33 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

England has a knife problem

Goes hand in hand with their imported muslim problem not to mention the sexual assaults 

[Reality 3,130]

Yeah, let's all give up our guns. Let's become England, where you get arrested for tweets. 

Seriously, we don't hate liberals enough. 

[5-Points 3,838]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

That's your threshold for a problem?  

You don't care that schools keep getting shot up, you don't care that thousands of kids each year die from guns, just admit it.

See, here's your disconnect, I hate it when innocent people are gunned down by shitbags. Whether those shitbags be terrorists or unfortunate American kids who got doped up with ssri's because they have sh!tty, lazy parents who would rather throw pills down their kid's throats than actually sit and talk with them about their live's. 

You are quick to relinquish the rights our founding fathers had the foresight to enshrine in our founding documents because you foolishly feel it will make you safer in the short run, without a second's thought about the long run. 

500 million guns aren't the problem. If they were, you wouldn't be here. Think about it. 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, MDC said:

And also the weapon of choice for killers. 

And also the weapon of choice for millions of Americans for personal defense. 

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53 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

We have "common sense" gun restrictions in this country. 

They don't keep the wrong people from getting their hands on guns. It's a pipedream. 

The sky is blue, water is wet, bad people do bad things. 

 

America definitely does NOT have common sense gun restrictions. 

Zero background checks required for private sales in many states. A convicted murderer, first day out of jail, could buy guns from a private seller.

That is the opposite of common sense. 

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4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

America definitely does NOT have common sense gun restrictions. 

Zero background checks required for private sales in many states. A convicted murderer, first day out of jail, could buy guns from a private seller.

That is the opposite of common sense. 

Illegally. Convicted felons aren't allowed to be near guns, let alone own them. 

So how did that "common sense" gun law work? 

[The Real timschochet 7,523]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

America definitely does NOT have common sense gun restrictions. 

Zero background checks required for private sales in many states. A convicted murderer, first day out of jail, could buy guns from a private seller.

That is the opposite of common sense. 

I agree with you about these restrictions. I would love to see them. 
 

But I also have always thought it was disingenuous to suggest that any of these restrictions would serve to reduce the amount of mass shooters or gun violence in general: Sadly we simply have too many guns around for that, we’re not getting rid of them. These tragedies are here to stay. 

[Mr Fantasy 134]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

A convicted murderer, first day out of jail, could buy guns from a private seller.

The same thing could happen under a total gun ban. Both would be illegal 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

11 hours ago, MDC said:

Australia has had four (4) mass shootings in the last five years. The US has had nine (9) in December 2025 already.

Great take, genius.

Tell us about those 9. Bet you won’t. 

[Mr Fantasy 134]

The Australian PM is a real authoritarian 

[TimHauck 3,380]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

Yeah, let's all give up our guns. Let's become England, where you get arrested for tweets. 

Seriously, we don't hate liberals enough. 

I know you’ve been gone from here for awhile and this is apparently the only place you get opinions that differ from your own, but did you see the story about the guy that was put in jail for over a month for posting a Trump meme?

[TimHauck 3,380]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

That's your threshold for a problem?  

You don't care that schools keep getting shot up, you don't care that thousands of kids each year die from guns, just admit it.

Interesting that @Reality disappears for months, doesn’t care about the mass shootings in the US including several by US military veterans, but decides he wants to come back and post nunverous times about an attack in Australia.

[Mr Fantasy 134]

This story is wild

 

“Bondi shooting has everything:

-Multicultural Islamic migrants
-Female cops standing down
-Failed gun control
-Prime Minister caught trying to sneak ISIS brides into the country”

[dogcows 1,191]

3 hours ago, 5-Points said:

Illegally. Convicted felons aren't allowed to be near guns, let alone own them. 

So how did that "common sense" gun law work? 

Im telling you, because of the no background checks law in many states, this can very easily happen. Only 22 states require background checks on private sales. No background check = you don’t know who you are selling to. Could be anybody.

[dogcows 1,191]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree with you about these restrictions. I would love to see them. 
 

But I also have always thought it was disingenuous to suggest that any of these restrictions would serve to reduce the amount of mass shooters or gun violence in general: Sadly we simply have too many guns around for that, we’re not getting rid of them. These tragedies are here to stay. 

Fewer guns would mean fewer shootings. Human nature is the same around the planet. But only in the USA do we have mass shootings due to the insane number of guns and the easy access to them. Other societies have figured this out. They also figured out that universal healthcare saves people a LOT of money;

A majority of Americans are too stupid to acknowledge either of these realities. They’d rather see their kids shot to death in school, and the ones that live go bankrupt due to medical bills that are wildly unaffordable. All because… “freedom”? What kind of freedom is it to die as a child or not be able to live due to no healthcare?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

There is no punishment, only reward, in the Koran for killing non believers. I don’t know of any religion that has that as part of their canon. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Fewer guns would mean fewer shootings. Human nature is the same around the planet. But only in the USA do we have mass shootings due to the insane number of guns and the easy access to them. Other societies have figured this out. They also figured out that universal healthcare saves people a LOT of money;

A majority of Americans are too stupid to acknowledge either of these realities. They’d rather see their kids shot to death in school, and the ones that live go bankrupt due to medical bills that are wildly unaffordable. All because… “freedom”? What kind of freedom is it to die as a child or not be able to live due to no healthcare?

 

The people that commit medicare/ Medicaid fraud must really, really piss you off. 

[Gepetto 1,467]

The two brothers are Isaac and Ishmael, sons of Abraham, who are foundational figures in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (the Abrahamic faiths); Isaac, son of Sarah, is the ancestor of Israelites (Judaism/Christianity), while Ishmael, son of Hagar, is the ancestor of Arabs and a prophet in Islam, with both stories highlighting Abraham's covenant and God's blessings. 

Isaac and Ishmael, Abraham's sons, had a strained relationship, primarily initiated by Ishmael (older) "mocking" or "persecuting" toddler Isaac, leading Sarah to demand their expulsion; they later reunited briefly to bury their father, Abraham, with scripture sparse on their interactions, but traditions highlight their differing paths—Ishmael representing human effort (wild, free) and Isaac the promised blessing (faith, covenant), symbolizing ongoing spiritual contrasts between different spiritual paths. 

God designated Isaac as the heir for His covenant, leading to a complex situation where Abraham eventually sent Ishmael and his mother Hagar away, though God promised to make Ishmael a great nation too, showing divine favor for both lines, but a unique path for Isaac. Abraham's distress over banishing Ishmael shows his love for him, but his obedience to God's command to focus on Isaac for the covenant's continuation highlights a divine preference for Isaac's lineage. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

I didn’t know Australia had such a big problem with Islamists. Seems they are very up front about their hatred for the west and blatant anti semitism. And appeased by left wing weak as Fock politicians. And of course they had the grooming/ rape gangs.  Always. 

[TimHauck 3,380]

17 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Some reports are saying he is a Lebonese Maronite Christian.

This appears to be made up. 

[dogcows 1,191]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The people that commit medicare/ Medicaid fraud must really, really piss you off. 

Yes, I am very angry at Rick Scott, who committed the biggest Medicare fraud in U.S. History. But since he was part of a company, he didn’t go to jail. Instead, his company was fined $1.7 billion and he walked away with a golden parachute.

Then the moronic imbeciles living in Florida elected him as Governor and now Senator.

Is there a dumber group of people on this planet than Floridians?

[Tree of Knowledge 2,225]

I miss The Crusades.  

[TimHauck 3,380]

19 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Some reports are saying he is a Lebonese Maronite Christian.

This is definitely made up.  You fell for fake news. And I think there’s a good chance @Reality was the one that “thanked” this post.

 

[jerryskids 7,175]

17 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

The agreement we have is that individuals from those places can be peaceful, good people.  We also appear to agree that we cannot or do not know how to vet people from those areas and populations.

The disagreement is that the risk of bringing people from those areas into our country is worth it because some of those people we would be bringing in are good.  In cold reality, it's that acceptable error rate question. How many incidents, how many hot pockets of Islamic radicalism within the US is ok for allowing others to be here? 

I don't pretend to know that fail rate, but it's not near zero and by your statement it is higher in this subset of people than by your example Christians from Denmark.  I have the belief that if you bring in too many people who are radicalized or accept that ideology even tacitly, then you are allowing a growth of that cancer within your own borders.  If I took 100 people from Afghanistan who wanted to come here, even with some level of vetting, neither of us could assure the other how many of those people believe in radical Islam or anti-Western ideologies.  It's not that I don't recognize there are good people in those populations, it's that we can't blindly bring in cancers to our society along with those who may want to come for the right reasons. 

I wish we could vet them, I'm sure you do too.  But it's quite evident that we can't.  So, the disagreement becomes is allowing those who want to come for the right reasons a path to get here worth the accompanying acts of radical Islamic violence we will face both today and down the road as we allow that ideology into our borders and give it quarter?  Because if we are being fair based on what even you and I mutually agree on, we are admitting both groups or we would have to admit neither.

 

16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree that we can’t vet them. Perhaps in some instances we need to be more careful. But I will never accept exclusion. To me that goes against the core principle of who we are as Americans. And as I attempted to point out to @Reality, giving up our ideals actually makes us far less safe IMO. 

We can't vet them.  How could we vet them?  The only thing you can realistically do is check if they are on known terrorist lists.  The alternative is, what -- fly over to Afghanistan and interview all of their family, friends, coworkers, many of whom will be disinclined to help you.  It would cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per person (something I'm sure you don't add into your formula for the costs of immigrants) to do harder-than top-secret clearance research on each individual, and even then the results would be suspect at best.  

[jerryskids 7,175]

27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This is definitely made up.  You fell for fake news. And I think there’s a good chance @Reality was the one that “thanked” this post.

 

I didn't fall for anything.  I said "some reports are saying."  That was accurate.  It was moderates like you who immediately assumed he was Muslim because of his looks and names.  I was merely saying let's wait and see.  It appears that he is indeed Muslim.

That being said, it's funny that your bastion of truth is some dood named ADAM and that his parents are Muslim, so no way the kid could convert to Christianity.  That's never happened before.  

Sorry, no gotcha for you today, Tim.  Must be a day that ends in Y.   

[The Real timschochet 7,523]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

We can't vet them.  How could we vet them?  The only thing you can realistically do is check if they are on known terrorist lists.  The alternative is, what -- fly over to Afghanistan and interview all of their family, friends, coworkers, many of whom will be disinclined to help you.  It would cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per person (something I'm sure you don't add into your formula for the costs of immigrants) to do harder-than top-secret clearance research on each individual, and even then the results would be suspect at best.  

Then long interviews. Maybe with a psychiatrist.i don’t care. I’m not willing to restrict anyone based solely on ethnicity, religion, or point of origin. That’s unacceptable to me. I will fight against any politician or political movement that proposes this. 

[TimHauck 3,380]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't fall for anything.  I said "some reports are saying."  That was accurate.  It was moderates like you who immediately assumed he was Muslim because of his looks and names.  I was merely saying let's wait and see.  It appears that he is indeed Muslim.

That being said, it's funny that your bastion of truth is some dood named ADAM and that his parents are Muslim, so no way the kid could convert to Christianity.  That's never happened before.  

Sorry, no gotcha for you today, Tim.  Must be a day that ends in Y.   

The tell that the claim he was Christian was a lie is the claim that he is from Lebanon.  He’s from Syria.  It’s not “some dood named Adam,” it’s a video of the guy’s parents being interviewed by a news station.

lol at you saying “reports are saying that he’s a Christian” is the same as saying “let’s wait and see.”

You are not a serious poster.

[dogcows 1,191]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't fall for anything.  I said "some reports are saying."  That was accurate.  It was moderates like you who immediately assumed he was Muslim because of his looks and names.  I was merely saying let's wait and see.  It appears that he is indeed Muslim.

That being said, it's funny that your bastion of truth is some dood named ADAM and that his parents are Muslim, so no way the kid could convert to Christianity.  That's never happened before.  

Sorry, no gotcha for you today, Tim.  Must be a day that ends in Y.   

Would love to know where you got those reports. Did they say anything about where Elvis is hiding?

[The Real timschochet 7,523]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't fall for anything.  I said "some reports are saying."  That was accurate.  It was moderates like you who immediately assumed he was Muslim because of his looks and names.  I was merely saying let's wait and see.  It appears that he is indeed Muslim.

That being said, it's funny that your bastion of truth is some dood named ADAM and that his parents are Muslim, so no way the kid could convert to Christianity.  That's never happened before.  

Sorry, no gotcha for you today, Tim.  Must be a day that ends in Y.   

Your report earlier of false news wasn’t problematic in itself. What was problematic, IMO, was your willingness and eagerness to accept any alternative to the fact that this guy is a Muslim, which continues in this post in which you suggest that he might have converted to Christianity at some point. This goes back to earlier discussions we have had in which you refuse to acknowledge that Muslims can be moral people, willing to do the right thing. 

But of course the facts continue to contradict your sentiments on this issue. There are over 1 billion Muslims on this planet. Those that engage in violent terrorism comprise a tiny handful, almost statistically insignificant. Yet to you and to the author of this thread (and, for that matter to the President of the United States and so many of his supporters) that tiny handful are representative of Islam as a whole. This sort of believe is collectivization at its worst and ugliest. 

[TimHauck 3,380]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your report earlier of false news wasn’t problematic in itself. What was problematic, IMO, was your willingness and eagerness to accept any alternative to the fact that this guy is a Muslim, which continues in this post in which you suggest that he might have converted to Christianity at some point. This goes back to earlier discussions we have had in which you refuse to acknowledge that Muslims can be moral people, willing to do the right thing. 

But of course the facts continue to contradict your sentiments on this issue. There are over 1 billion Muslims on this planet. Those that engage in violent terrorism comprise a tiny handful, almost statistically insignificant. Yet to you and to the author of this thread (and, for that matter to the President of the United States and so many of his supporters) that tiny handful are representative of Islam as a whole. This sort of believe is collectivization at its worst and ugliest. 

There are also fake news websites claiming the guy’s name was “Edward Crabtree.”  These people will try anything to distract from a Muslim doing something good.

[jerryskids 7,175]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Then long interviews. Maybe with a psychiatrist.i don’t care. I’m not willing to restrict anyone based solely on ethnicity, religion, or point of origin. That’s unacceptable to me. I will fight against any politician or political movement that proposes this. 

How much money is too much money to get a marginal vetting result so we can welcome in a homeless person from the streets of Kabul who pulled the "asylum" card?

[The Real timschochet 7,523]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How much money is too much money to get a marginal vetting result so we can welcome in a homeless person from the streets of Kabul who pulled the "asylum" card?

I already answered you. Your “solution” is unacceptable. 

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6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

How much money is too much money to get a marginal vetting result so we can welcome in a homeless person from the streets of Kabul who pulled the "asylum" card?

Homeless people from Kabul wouldn’t get asylum, including under the pre-Trump2 standards.  

[jerryskids 7,175]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your report earlier of false news wasn’t problematic in itself. What was problematic, IMO, was your willingness and eagerness to accept any alternative to the fact that this guy is a Muslim, which continues in this post in which you suggest that he might have converted to Christianity at some point. This goes back to earlier discussions we have had in which you refuse to acknowledge that Muslims can be moral people, willing to do the right thing. 

But of course the facts continue to contradict your sentiments on this issue. There are over 1 billion Muslims on this planet. Those that engage in violent terrorism comprise a tiny handful, almost statistically insignificant. Yet to you and to the author of this thread (and, for that matter to the President of the United States and so many of his supporters) that tiny handful are representative of Islam as a whole. This sort of believe is collectivization at its worst and ugliest. 

Funny, your use of "problematic."  You and Moderate TimHauck saw a brown person with an Arabic name and insisted he was Muslim.  You also think it's problematic that somebody might convert to Christianity.  The possibility of alternatives goes against your group think -- it's critical that the hero be a Muslim, to lessen the fact that a father/son set of Muslim jihadists murdered a bunch of Jews at a Hannukah celebration.

I have no problem with individual Muslims doing good deeds, as I've said numerous times including my first post in this thread.  As I've also said numerous times, concentrations of Muslims are anathema to Western culture, and create a negative impact roughly 100% of the time.

As I've also also said, this moral relativism is bullshiot.  The teachings of Islam, top to bottom and front to back, are morally inferior to the teachings of the Judeo Christian West.  To use a phrase of yours, full stop.  This does not mean that every individual Muslim is immoral, so please don't go that route.  

[jerryskids 7,175]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I already answered you. Your “solution” is unacceptable. 

So, no cost is too high?