Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If you see a car backing up and about to pull away, the correct response is to move , not shoot into the car.

Law enforcement is not supposed to just let suspects go.  And I don't know what he saw.  The only videos I've seen show her going forward, not backward.  If you're trying to flee you don't point your car at a man with a gun and go towards him.  If she was backing up why didn't she just keep going that way?  And if she was backing up why should he have felt threatened if he was in front of her car?

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Bonus points for making sure no one can identify him

Um, have you seen the videos? 

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Just happened to be a doctor walking by.

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you see a car backing up and about to pull away, the correct response is to move , not shoot into the car.

Wait.  Is it your position that he shot her as she was backing up?

 

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Was it confirmed how long it took to render first aid?  Multiple witnesses reported a bystander that identified themself as a doctor was not permitted to help and in the main bystander video law enforcement appears to take their time in checking on her.  It also appears that they may have hurried the shooter away from the scene which isn’t a good look.

Despite liar Noem claiming he got hurt, you can see him walking away from her car very fast in the video. Based on his level of demonstrated competence, I’m guessing his injury was stepping on his own d!k.

NBC News said that a nearby doctor was refused access and that it was over 15 minutes before an ambulance arrived. And they blocked the ambulance from getting to the victim so her body had to be carried to the ambulance. Of those 3 claims, the 2 latter seem unquestioned. As for the first, there was a person recorded asking to help; I don’t know if she was a doctor or not; and haven’t seen that confirmed.

 

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Just now, 5-Points said:

If you see a LEO standing in front of your car, the correct response is to put the car in park and await further instructions, not turn your wheels toward him and step on the gas. 

HTH

The correct response to a driver who is just trying to nudge their vehicle to freedom in a terrifying situation is to not pump iron into the driver. 

There is no justification for this action, but MAGAs defending it is a good thing for The Blue Wave this year.

Go on and make a traffic stop a murder. 

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The world’s greatest trauma surgeon was denied access to help this poor woman.

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Law enforcement is not supposed to just let suspects go.  And I don't know what he saw.  The only videos I've seen show her going forward, not backward.  If you're trying to flee you don't point your car at a man with a gun and go towards him.  If she was backing up why didn't she just keep going that way?  And if she was backing up why should he have felt threatened if he was in front of her car?

If you didn’t see her going backward first, then you should probably stop commenting.  She backs up to make room to turn away, then when she moves forward clearly turns away from the officer (despite apparently grazing him)

 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Law enforcement is not supposed to just let suspects go.  And I don't know what he saw.  The only videos I've seen show her going forward, not backward.  If you're trying to flee you don't point your car at a man with a gun and go towards him.  If she was backing up why didn't she just keep going that way?  And if she was backing up why should he have felt threatened if he was in front of her car?

Law enforcement is DEFINITELY not allowed to shoot people for pulling away from a stop. That is 100% NOT a justifiable use of force.

Just saying “they can’t let suspects go” as a justification for shooting shows you don’t know anything.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If you didn’t see her going backward first, then you should probably stop commenting.  She backs up to make room to turn away, then when she moves forward clearly turns away from the officer (despite apparently  him)

 

As I said, if she was going backwards why should he have felt threatened?  

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Just now, Strike said:

As I said, if she was going backwards why should he have felt threatened?  

Then why did she go forward?

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7 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If you see a LEO standing in front of your car, the correct response is to put the car in park and await further instructions, not turn your wheels toward him and step on the gas. 

HTH

Agree.  Shouldn’t be punishable by death though

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Law enforcement is DEFINITELY not allowed to shoot people for pulling away from a stop. That is 100% NOT a justifiable use of force.

Just saying “they can’t let suspects go” as a justification for shooting shows you don’t know anything.

He didn't shoot her for pulling away from a stop.  He shot her because he was in reasonable fear of significant bodily injury.  And quit characterizing this as an.ordinary traffic stop.  That's ridiculous on its face and shows how weak your arguments are.

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2 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

The correct response to a driver who is just trying to nudge their vehicle to freedom in a terrifying situation is to not pump iron into the driver. 

There is no justification for this action, but MAGAs defending it is a good thing for The Blue Wave this year.

Go on and make a traffic stop a murder. 

Itsatip: don't try to "nudge" a law enforcement officer out of the way with your vehicle. It won't end well for you. 

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1 minute ago, Flipper said:

Then why did she go forward?

Ask her.  

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

As I said, if she was going backwards why should he have felt threatened?  

Oh stop with your semantics games.  No, he didn’t shoot until she was going forward.  But he saw her go backward first - which gave him time to get clear out of the way if he wanted to, but apparently he didn’t.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Agree.  Shouldn’t be punishable by death though

He wasn't punishing her.  He was neutralizing a threat.

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Just now, Strike said:

Ask her.  

Can't. But when a man with a gun is standing in front of me I think I would stop.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Oh stop with your semantics games.  No, he didn’t shoot until she was going forward.  But he saw her go backward first - which gave him time to get clear out of the way if he wanted to, but apparently he didn’t.

Why would he clear out of her way when he wanted her to stop?  Your entire argument is premised on the assumption that cops should just let criminals walk away if they put up resistance . That's not how it works.

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1 minute ago, Flipper said:

Can't. But when a man with a gun is standing in front of me I think I would stop.

Agreed.  Not sure why you're directing this argument at me though.

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Armed federal agents while working, feel threatened by a mother in an SUV in a residential neighborhood. Good luck with that defense if the killer is ever charged. 

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Agree.  Shouldn’t be punishable by death though

Vehicular assault is often deadly. 

Put yourself in his shoes. He's there doing his job. 

Then put yourself in her shoes. She's there protesting. 

Who made the mistake? 

 

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So what were her and her wife from Colorado doing there? 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Why would he clear out of her way when he wanted her to stop?  Your entire argument is premised on the assumption that cops should just let criminals walk away if they put up resistance . That's not how it works.

That actually is how it works in a lot of instances of minor crimes, shoplifting for example.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

So what were her and her wife from Colorado doing there? 

Protesting.  And scissoring.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Why would he clear out of her way when he wanted her to stop?  Your entire argument is premised on the assumption that cops should just let criminals walk away if they put up resistance . That's not how it works.

He did get out of the way. Officers do not have the authority to fire at a moving car or shoot someone if they try to avoid detention/arrest.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

That actually is how it works in a lot of instances of minor crimes, shoplifting for example.

This wasn't a minor crime.  You and doggybag trying to minimize the offense just shows how weak your arguments are.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

This wasn't a minor crime.  You and doggybag trying to minimize the offense just shows how weak your arguments are.

What was her major crime prior to driving away?  She wasn’t even trying to help illegals escape or something, DHS themselves says the scene first started simply because an ICE vehicle got stuck in the snow.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

What was her major crime prior to driving away?  She wasn’t even trying to help illegals escape or something, DHS themselves says the scene first started simply because an ICE vehicle got stuck in the snow.

I'll pass.  These discussions are going nowhere.   

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I'll pass.  These discussions are going nowhere.   

Thanks for admitting defeat.

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A witness said she was the lead car disrupting the ice operation and that she was doing a good job. 

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Thanks for admitting defeat.

LOL. I'm not the one suggesting this woman was being stopped for a traffic violation.  I'll just pass on that discussion.  Waste of time.

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

LOL. I'm not the one suggesting this woman was being stopped for a traffic violation.  I'll just pass on that discussion.  Waste of time.

At worst, it could be obstruction of federal officers, which looks like is only a misdemeanor if no force is involved which there wasn’t prior to her driving away.  Reminder that even DHS has admitted that there was not a specific operation occurring at this location, simply a car stuck in the snow.

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38 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Itsatip: don't try to "nudge" a law enforcement officer out of the way with your vehicle. It won't end well for you. 

She didn't nudge. The jackass agent put himself in front of the vehicle and most definitly didn't get injured when this absotely panicked mother wanted to get away.

Blood is on Trump's hands.

Wake up and help save this country from the madness.

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38 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Vehicular assault is often deadly. 

Put yourself in his shoes. He's there doing his job. 

Then put yourself in her shoes. She's there protesting. 

Who made the mistake? 

 

Both

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

She put herself, on purpose, in the middle of a law enforcement operation. She didn’t “find” herself in anything. 

She was scared as she purposely blocked LEO from doing their job.

If she was so scared, why was she playing billy badass with her car in the street?

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

Law enforcement is not supposed to just let suspects go.  And I don't know what he saw.  The only videos I've seen show her going forward, not backward.  If you're trying to flee you don't point your car at a man with a gun and go towards him.  If she was backing up why didn't she just keep going that way?  And if she was backing up why should he have felt threatened if he was in front of her car?

She backed up very briefly.  Then she tried to drive around him and when she couldn't cleanly get around him, she apparently said, "leroy jenkinnnnnnnnsss!!!" and went anyway.

Clean shoot

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The more I see the slow motion video, the more I think this crazy chick might've actually been trying to run this dude over.

1. She hits the gas hard enough to spin out the wheels.  I know it's on ice, but there is someone right in front of you, why are you hitting the gas at all?
2. I originally thought she tried turning the wheel to the right of the officer, but in slow mo, it looks like she pointed the wheel directly at him.

Clean shoot.

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Looks like trumps gestapo has the right to shoot at their own discretion.   America losing.  

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3 hours ago, nobody said:

The more I see the slow motion video, the more I think this crazy chick might've actually been trying to run this dude over.

1. She hits the gas hard enough to spin out the wheels.  I know it's on ice, but there is someone right in front of you, why are you hitting the gas at all?
2. I originally thought she tried turning the wheel to the right of the officer, but in slow mo, it looks like she pointed the wheel directly at him.

Clean shoot.

Without question, she tried to hit him.