Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[HellToupee 2,363]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

There are actually vids of this

When a cop shot a nutjob in the Capitol a large number of people said it was murder BTW

Ashli Babbit was a nutjob and these rubes are out there using vehicles to obstruct in a dangerous way?  She’s a nutjob but the one who died yesterday was a nutjob? Both lost their lives making a reckless decision 

[Maximum Overkill 2,707]

If you have information about the whereabouts of these fugitives, immediately contact your local ICE office or call the national hotline at 1-866-DHS-2-ICE as soon as possible!

[thegeneral 3,794]

Just now, Horseman said:

You didn't see her çar IN THE WAY.

You didn't see the officer asking her to GET OUT of the vehicle.

You didn't see her HIT THE GAS in the direction of another officer. 

JFC

How did the car get there? The cops were stuck in the snow did she spin out? I saw her waiving cars through to me that indicates she was waiting for them to go. How would you not want this investigated further?

How do you believe without any question what these people tell you. Where do you find this belief? It’s crazy to me.

The Prez told us that he was run over and lucky to be alive

The director of Homeland Security labeled this domestic terrorism

 

[thegeneral 3,794]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Ashli Babbit was a nutjob and these rubes are out there using vehicles to obstruct in a dangerous way?  She’s a nutjob but the one who died yesterday was a nutjob? Both lost their lives making a reckless decision 

She very well may be. This scenario from what we have seen is crazy to me. Went from being in the road to getting shot in like 5 seconds.

There were like 3 cars that drove by, let’s not get carried away with this obstructing traffic stuff from what we have seen.

[squistion 2,698]

https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/2009033333905248433 (video clip referred to at link)

Here is my opinion on Minneapolis killing by ICE officer, and facts still matter.

 

ICE agents are federal law enforcement, but their authority and use of force are limited by the Constitution. A US citizen cannot be detained for immigration purposes, and fleeing alone is not a legal justification for deadly force under Supreme Court precedent.

 

Deadly force is lawful only when an officer reasonably believes there is an immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm. That standard comes from Graham v. Connor and Tennessee v. Garner, and it applies to ICE the same as to any armed federal agent.

 

In the Minnesota case, multiple videos show agents initiating the encounter, surrounding the vehicle, giving conflicting commands, and escalating the situation. One agent attempted to open the car door while others shouted instructions. The woman in a car, a US born citizen, appeared to behave frightened and confused.

 

Video shows her backing up to avoid an agent positioned near the front side of the vehicle, then turning the steering wheel away from him in an apparent attempt to disengage. The agent who ultimately fired had apparently already drawn his weapon before the car moved forward.

 

An officer placing themselves in a dangerous position, creating confusion, and then claiming fear does not automatically meet the constitutional threshold for lethal force. This case is not about immigration. It is about escalation, officer-created danger, and whether deadly force was objectively reasonable.

 

Law enforcement does not get a constitutional exemption simply because propaganda moves faster than the truth.

 

You can see clearly in the video that agent is pulling the gun while she is still backing up to make a maneuver to avoid hitting the agent and simply leave.

 

 

[dogcows 1,396]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How did the car get there? The cops were stuck in the snow did she spin out? I saw her waiving cars through to me that indicates she was waiting for them to go. How would you not want this investigated further?

How do you believe without any question what these people tell you. Where do you find this belief? It’s crazy to me.

The Prez told us that he was run over and lucky to be alive

The director of Homeland Security labeled this domestic terrorism

 

They believe what their cult masters tell them instead of what they see with their own eyes. It's pretty fascinating actually. Polling shows the number of "true believers" is shrinking but for those who stay in the cult, the brain damage seems to be getting worse.

[Strike 6,115]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

We don’t know what this lady was doing. We only have seen a video picking up moments before she was shot. Well hopefully see.

There are tons of people recording ICE arrests that shouldn’t be against any law.

Are those tons of people dead?  Did those tons of people park sideways on a street and otherwise impede ICE from doing their job?  Did those tons of people try to flee ICE when confronted?  Did those tons of people point their car and accelerate at an ICE agent?   Hmmmmm.........

[FrancieFootball 343]

Oh look, there are Supreme Court rulings regarding this kind of thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_v._Felix

 

[Horseman 2,822]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How do you believe without any question what these people tell you. 

 

I don't.  I watched the video. Most importantly I understand the purpose of these "protests".   All confirmed by her profile and the fact that her lover said, "It's all my fault, I convinced her to come down here".

They knew what they were doing.  

 

[thegeneral 3,794]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Are those tons of people dead?  Did those tons of people park sideways on a street and otherwise impede ICE from doing their job?  Did those tons of people try to flee ICE when confronted?  Did those tons of people point their car and accelerate at an ICE agent?   Hmmmmm.........

I don’t follow this.

What I am saying is we don’t know what happened prior to this short video unless someone has a longer one, haven’t looked around been wasting all my time in this thread

People should want this investigated more. There has to be more footage that what we have seen. I don’t out of hat believe a person standing there and I certainly don’t believe cops involved in a shooting.

[FrancieFootball 343]

Precedent was set in the case of Kirby v. Duva 2008 which states that deadly force cannot be used to prevent the escape of an unarmed, non-dangerous fleeing suspect. The ruling also supports the idea that an officer's use of deadly force may be deemed excessive if the officer UNREASONABLY PLACES THEMSELVES in harm's way in the first place, rather than utilizing safer alternatives.

 

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/Document/Ib98855cb445d11dd9876f446780b7bdc/View/FullText.html?ppcid=22930ce156b2466791ce597e367e4f41&transitionType=Document&contextData=(sc.Document)&firstPage=true

 

What the agent did was unlawful, and he should be charged and convicted of murder and spend the rest of his sorry-ass life in prison.

[Mike Honcho 5,568]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How did the car get there? The cops were stuck in the snow did she spin out? I saw her waiving cars through to me that indicates she was waiting for them to go. How would you not want this investigated further?

How do you believe without any question what these people tell you. Where do you find this belief? It’s crazy to me.

The Prez told us that he was run over and lucky to be alive

The director of Homeland Security labeled this domestic terrorism

 

I heard they were reading him his last rites.

[thegeneral 3,794]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

I don't.  I watched the video. Most importantly I understand the purpose of these "protests".   All confirmed by her profile and the fact that her lover said, "It's all my fault, I convinced her to come down here".

They knew what they were doing.  

 

You watched a video cut to like 5 seconds before she was blasted. Is there another longer one?

Protesting is all good and should be encouraged Like anything there are dopes who don’t get it and ironically destroy what is trying to be achieved by the protest. 

Bottom line is we have to deal with that in a free society and should def want people recording the cops.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,297]

15 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You didn't see her çar IN THE WAY.

You didn't see the officer asking her to GET OUT of the vehicle.

You didn't see her HIT THE GAS in the direction of another officer. 

JFC

It’s generally accepted and admitted she was impeding ICE.  Now these guys are trying to spin it like she was changing a tire.  

[Strike 6,115]

Stephen A. Smith says the ICE agent was justified.  STEPHEN A. FOCKING SMITH!!!!!!

[Horseman 2,822]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

She very well may be. This scenario from what we have seen is crazy to me. Went from being in the road to getting shot in like 5 seconds.

There were like 3 cars that drove by, let’s not get carried away with this obstructing traffic stuff from what we have seen.

We get it. It's too much for your simpleton brain to process. Especially since the facts aren't lining up the way you want them to.  

Start with this:  Despite whether you agree or not with what officers are doing, they are still officers.  Treat them that way.  You want to "protest" go to the Capitol, organize a protest at the park and invite the media, write your congressman.   Cry about it on social media all day like Banned_Artest.   DO NOT go down to where the officers are trying to carry out their orders and fok with them.  Pretty simple.  

[thegeneral 3,794]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It’s generally accepted and admitted she was impeding ICE.  Now these guys are trying to spin it like she was changing a tire.  

Not spinning, want to see for myself. Who had “generally accepted this” Trump and Barbie ICE 20 minutes after it happened

I’m certain we will see more and then can take this part of it from there.

[Strike 6,115]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

You watched a video cut to like 5 seconds before she was blasted. Is there another longer one?

Protesting is all good and should be encouraged Like anything there are dopes who don’t get it and ironically destroy what is trying to be achieved by the protest. 

Bottom line is we have to deal with that in a free society and should def want people recording the cops.

I have advocated for years that ALL law enforcement officers should be required to wear body cams.  I hadn't really thought about ICE when making that statement but would include them in that as well.  Body cams not only protect the victims but the agents/officers as well.  And, while I am not suggesting we get rid of citizens recording law enforcement, body cams would certainly minimize that need to an extent.  

[HellToupee 2,363]

6 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Precedent was set in the case of Kirby v. Duva 2008 which states that deadly force cannot be used to prevent the escape of an unarmed, non-dangerous fleeing suspect. The ruling also supports the idea that an officer's use of deadly force may be deemed excessive if the officer UNREASONABLY PLACES THEMSELVES in harm's way in the first place, rather than utilizing safer alternatives.

 

https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/Document/Ib98855cb445d11dd9876f446780b7bdc/View/FullText.html?ppcid=22930ce156b2466791ce597e367e4f41&transitionType=Document&contextData=(sc.Document)&firstPage=true

 

What the agent did was unlawful, and he should be charged and convicted of murder and spend the rest of his sorry-ass life in prison.

Send this to the FBI and maybe you can help them wrap up the investigation 

[cyclone24 1,962]

JFC..

liberals allowed all of these fraudsters in. We said get them out. Liberal say no. We say we’ll come get them. You just arrest them. You say no. We say OK well, we’re gonna come into the city and come get them. You offer zero help.

add to that your sugary mayor and Governor, who is going to go to jail by the way, constantly calling them, the Gestapo urging violence calling them every name under the sun urging resistance, and so you radicalize this poor lady to the point where she ended up so crazy. She left her child and was impeding officers, obstructing, and then tried to hit an officer.

You don’t get to encourage the violence, offer no help in getting legitimate criminals out of your city and then cry like little girls that oh no something bad happened because of our dumbass rhetoric and policies.

Like I said, I’m glad I live in a ruby red state. Funny how this stuff always happens in Liberal hell holes.

 

[Fnord 2,699]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Don't make empty threats bucko...I'll find you  

Oh, I'd never put you on ignore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Daddy.

[thegeneral 3,794]

Just now, Horseman said:

We get it. It's too much for your simpleton brain to process. Especially since the facts aren't lining up the way you want them to.  

Start with this:  Despite whether you agree or not with what officers are doing, they are still officers.  Treat them that way.  You want to "protest" go to the Capitol, organize a protest at the park and invite the media, write your congressman.   Cry about it on social media all day like Banned_Artest.   DO NOT go down to where the officers are trying to carry out their orders and fok with them.  Pretty simple.  

I agree you should listen to cops. I certainly do. Despite this cop not being suited to be carrying a gun around and have this authority, I don’t think he can be prosecuted from what we have seen. I blame this haphazard process he has been placed in TBH. Can’t believe this hasn’t happened before this.

I totally disagree that people shouldn’t be allowed to follow these cops around and record them. I definitely don’t believe shet this administration says, what all these hand picked ass kissing clown bureaucrats say.  Why you do is beyond me, simpleton.

[thegeneral 3,794]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have advocated for years that ALL law enforcement officers should be required to wear body cams.  I hadn't really thought about ICE when making that statement but would include them in that as well.  Body cams not only protect the victims but the agents/officers as well.  And, while I am not suggesting we get rid of citizens recording law enforcement, body cams would certainly minimize that need to an extent.  

Cops should def all have this. ICE for sure. Way too many vids out there of these dudes telling people to stop recording. Fock that.

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

13 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Precedent was set in the case of Kirby v. Duva 2008 which states that deadly force cannot be used to prevent the escape of an unarmed, non-dangerous fleeing suspect. The ruling also supports the idea that an officer's use of deadly force may be deemed excessive if the officer UNREASONABLY PLACES THEMSELVES in harm's way in the first place, rather than utilizing safer alternatives.

>>After setting up two controlled drug sales with Kirby, the DTF obtained a warrant to search both Kirby's residence and person.<<

Kirby is a classic Police situation. Gotta realize though:

- This was not police, it’s a federal agent.

- The agency ambit is immigration & customs enforcement, which the victim was completely uninvolved in.

- The agent was not acting on a warrant or seeking any specific suspect.

- The agent didn’t engage in a classic police stop. There was no reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

- Another agent went to grab & open the victim’s door. The shooter aimed a gun at the victim.

This case is way past Kirby.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,297]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Not spinning, want to see for myself. Who had “generally accepted this” Trump and Barbie ICE 20 minutes after it happened

I’m certain we will see more and then can take this part of it from there.

The girlfriend blamed herself for taking her to these protests 

[dogcows 1,396]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Stephen A. Smith says the ICE agent was justified.  STEPHEN A. FOCKING SMITH!!!!!!

Finally we have 100% proof that ICE committed murder. Smith hasn't been right about anything in at least a decade.

[dogcows 1,396]

6 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

JFC..

liberals allowed all of these fraudsters in. We said get them out. Liberal say no. We say we’ll come get them. You just arrest them. You say no. We say OK well, we’re gonna come into the city and come get them. You offer zero help.

add to that your sugary mayor and Governor, who is going to go to jail by the way, constantly calling them, the Gestapo urging violence calling them every name under the sun urging resistance, and so you radicalize this poor lady to the point where she ended up so crazy. She left her child and was impeding officers, obstructing, and then tried to hit an officer.

You don’t get to encourage the violence, offer no help in getting legitimate criminals out of your city and then cry like little girls that oh no something bad happened because of our dumbass rhetoric and policies.

Like I said, I’m glad I live in a ruby red state. Funny how this stuff always happens in Liberal hell holes.

 

We're glad you live there too. Wish they'd disconnect Iowa from the rest of the world's internet.

[Maximum Overkill 2,707]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Stephen A. Smith says the ICE agent was justified.  STEPHEN A. FOCKING SMITH!!!!!!

He's 100% right. Unfortunately he'll probably be fired now 

[thegeneral 3,794]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Stephen A. Smith says the ICE agent was justified.  STEPHEN A. FOCKING SMITH!!!!!!

He also said the shooting could have been avoided. 

[thegeneral 3,794]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Finally we have 100% proof that ICE committed murder. Smith hasn't been right about anything in at least a decade.

Lol

[cyclone24 1,962]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

We're glad you live there too. Wish they'd disconnect Iowa from the rest of the world's internet.

Yeah, I probably wouldn’t try to refuse anything I said either. 
 

He’s going to get off. She’s dead because she’s in this brainwashed cult that thinks this is OK behavior. 

[Horseman 2,822]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

He also said the shooting could have been avoided. 

100%  Go home after you drop the kid off.  

[thegeneral 3,794]

5 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

The girlfriend blamed herself for taking her to these protests 

I’d feel bad if I just watched someone get shot in the face too.

I would like to hear her explain what happened here. 

[Fnord 2,699]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Finally we have proof that ICE committed murder. Smith hasn't been right about anything in at least a decade.

Using that blowhard as evidence of anything indicates the vast ignorance of the individual using him as an example. JFC. Embarrassing. 

[thegeneral 3,794]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

100%  Go home after you drop the kid off.  

His point was bad police work. 

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Finally we have 100% proof that ICE committed murder. Smith hasn't been right about anything in at least a decade.

Seriously - please go on a sports forum and say “according to Stephen A. Smith…” and see what happens.

[Strike 6,115]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I agree you should listen to cops. I certainly do. Despite this cop not being suited to be carrying a gun around and have this authority, I don’t think he can be prosecuted from what we have seen. I blame this haphazard process he has been placed in TBH. Can’t believe this hasn’t happened before this.

I totally disagree that people shouldn’t be allowed to follow these cops around and record them. I definitely don’t believe shet this administration says, what all these hand picked ass kissing clown bureaucrats say.  Why you do is beyond me, simpleton.

This incident is one of the reasons you SHOULD always listen to cops.  You don't know what cowboy you're gonna get holding that badge.  And we purposely make it difficult to prosecute cops because otherwise we wouldn't have any.  

[SaintsInDome2006 866]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Ok.   Her life choices prior to this incident to me are 100% irrelevant.  And actually quite disgusting.   The woman died.   Pissing on her grave like this is just not anything I can get behind.   It's too similar to blaming the woman who got raped cause she dressed like a slut.   I can't support that

Mike, thank you.

[Strike 6,115]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He also said the shooting could have been avoided. 

I read that he said the cop should have shot the tires out, which is ludicrous, but he doesn't have any law enforcement training.  And it could have been avoided.  But it wasn't.  And since it wasn't, the questions at this point are whether it was justified.  

[Strike 6,115]

Holy focking sh*t.  The libs around here think I was actually being serious quoting Stephen A. Smith.  You all really do need to take a break.