Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 21, 2014 I just took him in the fourth at 4.11 of a dynasty start up, .5 ppr. I love the potential he has with his speed playing with Luck. The response taking him at that spot was luke warm at best. Am i over optimistic? I havent seen a lot of talk on him on the board. It seems owners either love him or could easily do without him. I know there are still 2 other starting caliber receivers on that offense to compete for catches, but wayne is old and coming off an acl. Wayne has also faded the past few years after starting out strong. Hilton has been hit or miss but it seems the entire offense has been a little inconsistent. Lucks game should noticeably improve this year. I could see Hilton becoming a Marvin Harrison light. Any insight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted August 21, 2014 What were the next 5 picks after you took him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricanrockers 39 Posted August 21, 2014 I may be in the minority but I think Hilton will lead Indy in receiving this year. You have Wayne coming off major knee surgery and then you have Nicks who is always injured. Hilton will be Lucks go to guy. Just go back and look at the playoff where Holton just took off. I see it continuing this year. Good Luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEWPOSTERGUY! 266 Posted August 21, 2014 I may be in the minority but I think Hilton will lead Indy in receiving this year. You have Wayne coming off major knee surgery and then you have Nicks who is always injured. Hilton will be Lucks go to guy. Just go back and look at the playoff where Holton just took off. I see it continuing this year. Good Luck! - agreed. wr2 pricetag with wr1 returns. jump on this kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted August 21, 2014 Last year was the perfect storm for him, IMO. He pretty much reached his ceiling and I don't think his value will ever be higher. I typically tend to not draft players like that unless they fall significantly below their ADP or where I perceive they have allowed room for me to gain value by trading them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Criper 24 Posted August 21, 2014 I like this kid and think he leads the Colts in receiving this year, but dude reminds me of DeSean Jackson on the Andy Reid Eagles. Stats look decent at the end of the year, but production comes in a few big games and your left with a lot of 5 point games in between. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted August 21, 2014 For example, I would much rather have Torrey Smith @ 4.11 He is the true number 1 on his team with a coach that makes stars out of the X WR. He has gotten better every year and is only a year older than Hilton. He has much better size/weight measurables and just as good speed. Which bodes well for not only his TD potential, but his long term value too. He put up similar numbers as Hilton last year, but no one is talking about him. His value is not inflated, as I think what we saw last year could be his floor! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted August 21, 2014 I like this kid and think he leads the Colts in receiving this year, but dude reminds me of DeSean Jackson on the Andy Reid Eagles. Stats look decent at the end of the year, but production comes in a few big games and your left with a lot of 5 point games in between. yup. I LOVE TY, but frustrating production. He is kind of like a djax, but not really. The offense is a bit frustrating as well. They play like crap all 1st half, every game last year. Run the ball into the line over and over with dunce trich, and then open up in 2nd half. If you're lucky, TY catches a 69 yarder, maybe for a td. But he's just as likely to end up with 2-23. I think the passing game evolves this year, luck is a year older as is TY, so I expect more consistency and more production. He has talent to get into top 10, but the situation is holding him back. If he was on the pack or something he'd be an early 2nd round pic, up there with the AJs and the Marshalls... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEWPOSTERGUY! 266 Posted August 21, 2014 -Pep Hamilton horrendously stunted the growth of the Indy aerial attack last year. POWER RUNNING SCHEME WITH TRICH AS THE CENTERPIECE?? 11! 11? 1! ridiculous. now, I'm not saying Hilton is a super elite talent - but the kid can flat-out play. sure, he needs more polish, crisper routes ... improved hands ... and that comes with experience. he has shown flashes. dude has the goods. would love to see Indy operate mostly out the spread, with Bradshaw as the back ... 3 wide, with Hilton in the slot In other words: TAKE THE FOCKIN' TRAINING WHEELS OFF THESE MUTHAS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Upper Class Trash 67 Posted August 21, 2014 Hilton had 4 games over 20 points last season and 9 games under 10 points. This is in full point PPR Scoring. Not exactly someone who can produce for you on a weekly basis. If I can draft him as my WR3, I'm all-in. I'm not taking him in the 4th round though of any style of PPR, even .5 point, when his receptions will be limited. He blew up in the playoffs and people saw the nationally televised game. The Colts saw something that was working and stuck with it. It won't work like that each and every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 21, 2014 I was more in the doubter camp than the believer camp until recently. I will address a few things people have said without quoting. Torrey Smith comparison - I love Smith. In a different situation he would be a top receiver taken, and he may evolve more this year. The difference between the two is their QB. Flacco just isn't consistent enough to make Smith consistent. I lived that last year and got burned big time. The post about Hilton being on GB and becoming basically what Cobb is, why is this situation that much different? I fully expect Luck to become similar to Rogers in prestige and ability in the very near future. If he is similar to Rogers then I don't see how Hilton being on the Packers would be any different than his current situation. If you mean there are more receiving options I can understand that. Maybe he doesn't get enough targets because of the other options, but his speed combined with Lucks precision and big enough arm seem like a great combo. As for his inconsistency, last year was only his second year. He isn't a big receiver you can just throw it up to so he has to become more polished to be consistently effective. I don't see how we could possibly know what his ceiling is before he has played a down in his third year. I would add that I am buying the hype a bit from last years playoffs. I know it is dangerous to do that, see Shonne Green. I just think that Peyton Manning took a couple receivers in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and turned them into superstars. This could be a similar situation. In a dynasty league it's not a bad situation to latch on to if it goes as well as I think it could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p00h 85 Posted August 21, 2014 I was more in the doubter camp than the believer camp until recently. I will address a few things people have said without quoting. Torrey Smith comparison - I love Smith. In a different situation he would be a top receiver taken, and he may evolve more this year. The difference between the two is their QB. Flacco just isn't consistent enough to make Smith consistent. I lived that last year and got burned big time. The post about Hilton being on GB and becoming basically what Cobb is, why is this situation that much different? I fully expect Luck to become similar to Rogers in prestige and ability in the very near future. If he is similar to Rogers then I don't see how Hilton being on the Packers would be any different than his current situation. If you mean there are more receiving options I can understand that. Maybe he doesn't get enough targets because of the other options, but his speed combined with Lucks precision and big enough arm seem like a great combo. As for his inconsistency, last year was only his second year. He isn't a big receiver you can just throw it up to so he has to become more polished to be consistently effective. I don't see how we could possibly know what his ceiling is before he has played a down in his third year. I would add that I am buying the hype a bit from last years playoffs. I know it is dangerous to do that, see Shonne Green. I just think that Peyton Manning took a couple receivers in Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and turned them into superstars. This could be a similar situation. In a dynasty league it's not a bad situation to latch on to if it goes as well as I think it could. lots of things wrong with this post. Luck is NOT Rogers. What he might be in the future doesn't play into what he is right now. Secondly, it's beyond just him being 'like' rogers. The team had a fairly poor offensive philosophy last year, that is fact. Power running didn't work out for them. And even with consistently being behind at halftime, TY didn't necessarily rack up garbage points, a hallmark of a good FF wr. Even if they open it up more on offense, they seem to be happy with the dink and dunk, and that is where luck is at his best(again why he is not anywhere near close to rogers), and TY is not a possession type receiver that will thrive in the short game... The only way TY leaps to elite type status is if they go downfield more consistently. He can burn the best of them, and if they commit to it and give him a chance a few times a game, he can start to pad more consistent stats... DOn't get me wrong, I love the kid and think he has great talent, but talent alone doesn't make one a stud. Situation is everything. Just ask archie manning... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted August 22, 2014 I am high on TY this year. Look for Luck to take that leap into the elite QBs this year. IMO, Nicks will be the top WR on the team this year but TY will have a mini break out also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted August 22, 2014 Nicks is garbage. TY is the guy to own, but yes there will be some level of inconsistency. There will also be games he wins for you almost single handedly though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 132 Posted August 22, 2014 I like this kid and think he leads the Colts in receiving this year, but dude reminds me of DeSean Jackson on the Andy Reid Eagles. Stats look decent at the end of the year, but production comes in a few big games and your left with a lot of 5 point games in between. ^This... He's the kind of guy that blows up in 4 or 5 games, has a few decent showings... then lays a giant turd in like 8 or 9 games. That and i don't think the acquisition of nicks coupled with the return of both TEs (healthy) bodes well for consistent production any time soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted August 22, 2014 I may be in the minority but I think Hilton will lead Indy in receiving this year. You have Wayne coming off major knee surgery and then you have Nicks who is always injured. Hilton will be Lucks go to guy. Just go back and look at the playoff where Holton just took off. I see it continuing this year. Good Luck! Agreed. Hilton is going into that magical 3rd year for a WR and it was apparent that he and Luck developed a great rapport last year. In that regard, Wayne's injury gave him a chance to grow. I just don't see Nicks as the #1. Thought it interesting that Hilton had an incredibly low 2.9% drops vs targets last year. Speedsters tend to benefit a bit from that stat (you'll see guys like DJax, Mike Wallace, Sanders there, but Hilton had more targets than any of them) as overthrows that they never touch don't count. But it's a pretty impressive number given how many opportunities he had. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 23, 2014 ^This... He's the kind of guy that blows up in 4 or 5 games, has a few decent showings... then lays a giant turd in like 8 or 9 games. That and i don't think the acquisition of nicks coupled with the return of both TEs (healthy) bodes well for consistent production any time soon. Its possible that he remains inconsistent, this is only his third year though. People are acting like he has been this massively inconsistent player for years. On a different team like the jags or oakland, i think your analysis would be dead on. I just think its too early to know how his targets are going to shake out. I will add that hilton basically became the wr1 when wayne went down. He is not that big target who can handle all of the attention by the defense. With nicks and wayne defenses will have to spread their coverage. If they really double team hilton every play luck will burn defenses with his other receivers. The biggest asset is how smart luck is. If defenses cant double hilton, he is so fast and shifty that luck is going to exploit the opportunities. Maybe im wrong, i just think what i have proposed is a more likely scenario. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotica 5 Posted August 23, 2014 I am a believer !! Even if he does have small hands. (I wanted to post a picture but was told I was over my allowed limit?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 12, 2015 Just wanted to bring this back. I think pooh's analysis is amusing. There were a lot of supporters in this thread. That wasnt the case in the league i took him. Almost everyone said i reached too far. Not bragging or anything. Hell i thought Nicks was going to be legit working with Luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woble Eth 11 Posted August 12, 2015 Wayne and Nicks? Bah.. I am more interested to see what Andre Johnson has left in the tank when looking at Hilton... Injuries aside, it'll be nice to see him with a QB that doesn't suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 12, 2015 I think both AJ and Ty Hilton have a very good year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 12, 2015 I think both AJ and Ty Hilton have a very good year. Which one would you target first in a PPR league ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kujerry 9 Posted August 12, 2015 Which one would you target first in a PPR league ? I would target AJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 12, 2015 I would target AJ With you on that . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flgatorguy87 160 Posted August 13, 2015 Both in PPR or is that crazy. I'd say between the 2 of them they will get 55-60% of the targets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted August 13, 2015 Not a fan and not touching him at his Adp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
