I've come to the conclusion Trump acts like a child.

[Sho Nuff 719]

and the media reaps what it sows

Stop being hack potical activists with your fake news and trump and non sheeple real Americans won't call you out and eat you alive. The people voted, stop being the enemy of the people. Pretty simple.

Non steeple? Haha

Real Americans? Haha

The media isn't being the enemy of the people at all...that was a ridiculous attack on the press.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Nobody can win an election without media coverage. So the whole couldn't have done it without them is not really profound. Bush had Fox and talk radio, Obama had everyone but Fox. It's the way it's done these days.

I was referring more to the free coverage his celebrity brought, but sure, I see your point.

[mobb_deep 917]

Ohh look. Another thread where the party of self responsibility blames everything on everyone else.

 

Bonus points ITT, for trashing the 1st amendment in the process.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Construction on the Wall begins in September

[MDC 5,891]

Not even a male child though. A bratty little girl child. President Veruca Salt.

[wiffleball 4,640]

Not even a male child though. A bratty little girl child. President Veruca Salt.

Okay, but all his boys are Artie Slugworth

[NewbieJr 540]

Construction on the Wall begins in September

As Mexico tells Trump to go fock himself if he thinks they're paying for it

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

As Mexico tells Trump to go fock himself if he thinks they're paying for it

Maybe. The important part is getting it built.

[cbfalcon 824]

Maybe. The important part is getting it built.

 

Sometimes I wonder if thoughts like these are partially responsible for our $5.34 Trillion debt. But then I usually go back to watching golf.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

 

Sometimes I wonder if thoughts like these are partially responsible for our $5.34 Trillion debt. But then I usually go back to watching golf.

Well, the pentagon won't be picking up the tab for military personnel to get sex changes now, so we have a few extra bucks

[Alias Detective 1,179]

Sometimes I wonder if thoughts like these are partially responsible for our $5.34 Trillion debt. But then I usually go back to watching golf.

You should be a comic. Really.

 

And what channel are you watching? Doesn't start until 12:30 here.

[NewbieJr 540]

Maybe. The important part is getting it built.

The important part is it was another campaign lie that you fell for. Oh well. 30 more billion gone.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

The important part is it was another campaign lie that you fell for. Oh well. 30 more billion gone.

What are you talking about? Construction begins in September.

[NewbieJr 540]

What are you talking about? Construction begins in September.

LOL I guess the little detail of who's paying for it doesn't matter. Talk about blindly swallowing Trump's load.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

LOL I guess the little detail of who's paying for it doesn't matter. Talk about blindly swallowing Trump's load.

It doesn't. Hell, I don't really care that much about the wall. I just want a secure border. There are many ways to do that, he chose a wall. I'm fine with that or another approach. And I don't care if Mexico pays for it. Didn't mention it.

[NewbieJr 540]

It doesn't. Hell, I don't really care that much about the wall. I just want a secure border. There are many ways to do that, he chose a wall. I'm fine with that or another approach. And I don't care if Mexico pays for it. Didn't mention it.

lol

[crackattack 513]

Speaking of media bias. CNN has been running story after story how the new health care plan will ruin rural Americans health care. Shut down rural Americans hospitals and clinics. These are the same media outlets that absolutely trashed rural Americans after Trump won. Called it a whitelash. Implying racism.

 

They called us rubes, rednecks, uneducated, gun nuts, racist, bigots, islamaphobes, homophobes, misogynist, religious zealots, and on and on. So now, NOW, they really expected the rust/bible belts, flyover country to care what the say?? Fock them. They lumped us all into one group. They, and everyone who thought that way, can politely or not so politely, go fock themselves.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Speaking of media bias. CNN has been running story after story how the new health care plan will ruin rural Americans health care. Shut down rural Americans hospitals and clinics. These are the same media outlets that absolutely trashed rural Americans after Trump won. Called it a whitelash. Implying racism.

 

They called us rubes, rednecks, uneducated, gun nuts, racist, bigots, islamaphobes, homophobes, misogynist, religious zealots, and on and on. So now, NOW, they really expected the rust/bible belts, flyover country to care what the say?? Fock them. They lumped us all into one group. They, and everyone who thought that way, can politely or not so politely, can go fock themselves.

I live on the east coast and I don't blame you one bit. Spot on. And it's not that these elites don't care, they actually don't like you. They think the white working class are getting in their way.

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I live on the east coast and I don't blame you one bit. Spot on. And it's not that these elites don't care, they actually don't like you. They think the white working class are getting in their way.

We know exactly what the coastal states think of us. We just don't care anymore. You can only tolerate the insults so long. California and New York aren't dictating what or how we live our lives.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

We know exactly what the coastal states think of us. We just don't care. California and New York aren't dictating what or how we live our lives.

No doubt. Just as an FYI, as far as NY, it's just the city and some of the surrounding areas that are libtarded. A few pockets here and there besides that, but most of the state aren't far left whack jobs. It's not too long ago there was a republican governer, multiple terms

[Sho Nuff 719]

Speaking of media bias. CNN has been running story after story how the new health care plan will ruin rural Americans health care. Shut down rural Americans hospitals and clinics. These are the same media outlets that absolutely trashed rural Americans after Trump won. Called it a whitelash. Implying racism.

 

They called us rubes, rednecks, uneducated, gun nuts, racist, bigots, islamaphobes, homophobes, misogynist, religious zealots, and on and on. So now, NOW, they really expected the rust/bible belts, flyover country to care what the say?? Fock them. They lumped us all into one group. They, and everyone who thought that way, can politely or not so politely, go fock themselves.

They rightfully called out rural areas for supporting a man whose policies will fock over rural America.

[crackattack 513]

They rightfully called out rural areas for supporting a man whose policies will fock over rural America.

If. The word you're looking for is if Congress puts in policies that will fock over rural America. Since Congress makes law. Well, unless you can see into the future. What policy has he put in that has focked over rural America? I'm all ears.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

They rightfully called out rural areas for supporting a man whose policies will fock over rural America.

Like Nafta and the TPP? And let's not forget the skyrocketing premiums and worse service under Obamacare. Urban areas weren't affected that bad. Hmmmmm, wonder why?

[crackattack 513]

Like Nafta and the TPP? And let's not forget the skyrocketing premiums and worse service under Obamacare. Urban areas weren't affected that bad. Hmmmmm, wonder why?

I'm more then happy to pay a little more for health care. Just give me focking choices again. I'm willing to pay a little more to help the less fortunate, but stop taking away my ability to choose my Dr of choice.

[Sho Nuff 719]

If. The word you're looking for is if Congress puts in policies that will fock over rural America. Since Congress makes law. Well, unless you can see into the future. What policy has he put in that has focked over rural America? I'm all ears.

Rolling back banking regulations to make his rich biddies happier. His push for changes to healthcare...including being willing to have them repeal without replacing?

You don't think the President shapes policy or pushes for things?

 

All we heard is how Obama forgot them...yet now it's all congress and not Trump?

[crackattack 513]

Rolling back banking regulations to make his rich biddies happier. His push for changes to healthcare...including being willing to have them repeal without replacing?

You don't think the President shapes policy or pushes for things?

 

All we heard is how Obama forgot them...yet now it's all congress and not Trump?

Why do you go to the extremes? Of course the president shapes policy, but the president doesn't make law. It's that simple. Obama or Trump. Now, to your points.

 

1. Did the wealthy still grow under the old banking regulations? Pretty sure we had more new millionaires ever under the old regulations. Did the pay gap shrink or expand under the old banking regulations? Did wages grow or stay stagnant under the old banking regulations? That's what I care about. Your main concerns is the already wealthy, are going to get richer? I personally don't give a fock about the already wealthy. There will always be wealthy people who find loop holes. Period. Under every administration.

 

2. ACA is not the answer. I'm on my 3rd Family Dr in 3 years due to the ACA. I had my original family Dr for 20 years. Not real good considering all the medical needs I've had in the last 4 years. As far as i can tell, nothing has changed yet under republican control, so how can I be sure as to what will happen? They're still working on it, and it seems to be ever changing. Nothing might happen. Don't know yet.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Rolling back banking regulations to make his rich biddies happier. His push for changes to healthcare...including being willing to have them repeal without replacing?

You don't think the President shapes policy or pushes for things?

 

All we heard is how Obama forgot them...yet now it's all congress and not Trump?

This is funny, delusional and sad all at once. Yeah, the rich didn't get richer under Obama. Wayyyy richer. Let them run wild and him and Holder let them pay their way out. Wake up hack

[12th Man 884]

12th Man/Flahawker has a chromosome disorder. While the other kids were playing Little League he was being mouth focked by his uncle. So he has some issues you and I don't have to deal with. That's why I give him a pass

And this guy calls Trump classless. Too funny! Can't make it up

[Sho Nuff 719]

Why do you go to the extremes? Of course the president shapes policy, but the president doesn't make law. It's that simple. Obama or Trump. Now, to your points.

 

1. Did the wealthy still grow under the old banking regulations? Pretty sure we had more new millionaires ever under the old regulations. Did the pay gap shrink or expand under the old banking regulations? Did wages grow or stay stagnant under the old banking regulations? That's what I care about. Your main concerns is the already wealthy, are going to get richer? I personally don't give a fock about the already wealthy. There will always be wealthy people who find loop holes. Period. Under every administration.

 

2. ACA is not the answer. I'm on my 3rd Family Dr in 3 years due to the ACA. I had my original family Dr for 20 years. Not real good considering all the medical needs I've had in the last 4 years. As far as i can tell, nothing has changed yet under republican control, so how can I be sure as to what will happen? They're still working on it, and it seems to be ever changing. Nothing might happen. Don't know yet.

I don't believe I ever claimed that the president makes laws.

1. The old regulations that he rolled back...let's go back to why they were put in place. Massive corruption that led to the bubble breaking and a recession. (Referring to Dodd Frank)...from the bit I've seen on the Hkuse Bill to replace it...it's not a good thing. And it certainly is not something to help Rurual America.

 

2. I agree ACA in its current form is not the answer. The current bulls are obviously not the answer either...neither is repealing without something to replace it with. This is something right now the Democrats are failing in...with the GOP not able to get their own bill together enough...the Dems should be reshaping the ACA to try and fix it...to offer a solution. It's a failure all around right now and again doing nothing to help rural America.

[crackattack 513]

I don't believe I ever claimed that the president makes laws.

1. The old regulations that he rolled back...let's go back to why they were put in place. Massive corruption that led to the bubble breaking and a recession. (Referring to Dodd Frank)...from the bit I've seen on the Hkuse Bill to replace it...it's not a good thing. And it certainly is not something to help Rurual America.

 

2. I agree ACA in its current form is not the answer. The current bulls are obviously not the answer either...neither is repealing without something to replace it with. This is something right now the Democrats are failing in...with the GOP not able to get their own bill together enough...the Dems should be reshaping the ACA to try and fix it...to offer a solution. It's a failure all around right now and again doing nothing to help rural America.

1. Dodd Frank was absolutely horrible for rural Americans. It made start-ups or becoming an entrepreneur extremely difficult due to additional or extra capital needed to start a business. It hurt smaller banks due to additional regulations, which cost extra business expenses, which in then was passed of to Americans in the form of fees. Like no free checking accounts, additional atm fees etc. You know who wasn't hurt by Dodd Frank? Large banks and large corporations. Dodd Frank helped strangle small businesses to death. Lots of small businesses in rural America.

 

2. Then the Democrats should come to the table. "Elections have consequences". The republicans can just about pass anything they want, kinda like the dems did with ACA. "We got to pass it to see what's in it". They didn't even know how bad the ACA would be then, but now all democrats know exactly how bad the republican plan, or lack there of, is going to be??? Seems odd.

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2017/04/21/what-the-administrations-stance-on-dodd-frank-means-for-small-business-lending/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjvxPeH6ejUAhXGdD4KHZwvC5YQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNGABjKgGyvtUGqfR3_TMSI4Fkw_mw

[Sho Nuff 719]

1. Dodd Frank was absolutely horrible for rural Americans. It made start-ups or becoming an entrepreneur extremely difficult due to additional or extra capital needed to start a business. It hurt smaller banks due to additional regulations, which cost extra business expenses, which in then was passed of to Americans in the form of fees. Like no free checking accounts, additional atm fees etc. You know who wasn't hurt by Dodd Frank? Large banks and large corporations. Dodd Frank helped strangle small businesses to death. Lots of small businesses in rural America.

 

2. Then the Democrats should come to the table. "Elections have consequences". The republicans can just about pass anything they want, kinda like the dems did with ACA. "We got to pass it to see what's in it". They didn't even know how bad the ACA would be then, but now all democrats know exactly how bad the republican plan, or lack there of, is going to be??? Seems odd.

 

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2017/04/21/what-the-administrations-stance-on-dodd-frank-means-for-small-business-lending/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjvxPeH6ejUAhXGdD4KHZwvC5YQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNGABjKgGyvtUGqfR3_TMSI4Fkw_mw

1. How were those banks doing as the economy crumbled from the BS that was before it? You know who is benefiting the most from these changes? It's isn't rural America...it's the same fockers that focked things up before it.

 

2. They should come to the table...they have been shut out of this. ACA was highly flawed...but how many Republican amendments were included? Several hundred. It was debated and amended for weeks. But glad you brought out the no context pelosi quote. Should I quote McConnel and GOP leadership admitting they were going to get in the way of everything and not work with Obama?

The CBO is rating this badly...and the Republicans can't even agree what they want. And it's been done almost entirely behind closed doors.

 

The two are not remotely comparable in transparency at this point.

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2. ACA is not the answer. I'm on my 3rd Family Dr in 3 years due to the ACA. I had my original family Dr for 20 years. Not real good considering all the medical needs I've had in the last 4 years. As far as i can tell, nothing has changed yet under republican control, so how can I be sure as to what will happen? They're still working on it, and it seems to be ever changing. Nothing might happen. Don't know yet.

Although the ACA didn't help things, the shortage of primary MDs has been in the making for quite some time now. The mandate for electronic health records is forcing some older docs into retirement, but pay disparity between specialists and generalists + administrative overhead are problems which paved the way for doctors opting out of primary care.

[crackattack 513]

1. How were those banks doing as the economy crumbled from the BS that was before it? You know who is benefiting the most from these changes? It's isn't rural America...it's the same fockers that focked things up before it.

 

2. They should come to the table...they have been shut out of this. ACA was highly flawed...but how many Republican amendments were included? Several hundred. It was debated and amended for weeks. But glad you brought out the no context pelosi quote. Should I quote McConnel and GOP leadership admitting they were going to get in the way of everything and not work with Obama?

The CBO is rating this badly...and the Republicans can't even agree what they want. And it's been done almost entirely behind closed doors.

 

The two are not remotely comparable in transparency at this point.

1. Rural or community banks were doing just fine before the crumble. They were loaning to small businesses at least. Then came Dodd Frank. You know who suffered the worst after that was instituted. Rural or community banks and small businesses. You know who had thrived after Dodd Frank? Large banks and large corporations and wall street. It's in the link I provided. It's there in black and white. Extra regulations are killing small businesses and small banks.

 

2. I'm glad you brought up the CBO scoring of the non-finished republican plan. The CBO got a few things right with the ACA. Like the amount of newly covered, elderly coverage, things like that. The CBO was also way off on cost, and the demise of insurance companies leaving the exchange. So, is the CBO the know all, end all? Here's an example. Three different plans, yet essentially the same score???

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/06/27/cbo-predictions-about-the-senate-health-care-bill-are-deeply-flawed/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwi0y9nq9ejUAhVs44MKHU67AAAQFghoMAw&usg=AFQjCNGisHmeR88092gLz5gMdJa-cIMZjg

 

Plus, in your words "the ACA is highly flawed" yet the CBO gave it good marks before they passed it. Safe to say the CBO is nothing more then an educated guess. They can't see into the future either. They can't predict what new laws could come along and help it, or what laws could be removed to hurt it.

[crackattack 513]

Although the ACA didn't help things, the shortage of primary MDs has been in the making for quite some time now. The mandate for electronic health records is forcing some older docs into retirement, but pay disparity between specialists and generalists + administrative overhead are problems which paved the way for doctors opting out of primary care.

No doubt. The ACA exacerbates the problem. Our community is seeing a huge increase in Nurse Practitioners and PA's. We're lucky to see a GP anymore.

[wiffleball 4,640]

Speaking of media bias. CNN has been running story after story how the new health care plan will ruin rural Americans health care. Shut down rural Americans hospitals and clinics. These are the same media outlets that absolutely trashed rural Americans after Trump won. Called it a whitelash. Implying racism.

 

They called us rubes, rednecks, uneducated, gun nuts, racist, bigots, islamaphobes, homophobes, misogynist, religious zealots, and on and on. So now, NOW, they really expected the rust/bible belts, flyover country to care what the say?? Fock them. They lumped us all into one group. They, and everyone who thought that way, can politely or not so politely, go fock themselves.

The single biggest sucker of Medicaid entitlements is West Virginia. In fact, if you look in the states where Trump did best, most of them are net tax suckers as opposed to contributors to the overall entitlement and tax base. If the health-care bill as it is passes, West Virginia is f*****. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in subsequent elections. Everybody wants fresh and new until their kids can't get Healthcare and Mom can't stay in the nursing home anymore.

[crackattack 513]

The single biggest sucker of Medicaid entitlements is West Virginia. In fact, if you look in the states where Trump did best, most of them are net tax suckers as opposed to contributors to the overall entitlement and tax base. If the health-care bill as it is passes, West Virginia is f*****. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in subsequent elections. Everybody wants fresh and new until their kids can't get Healthcare and Mom can't stay in the nursing home anymore.

Awesome you have a breakdown of the entitlement vote? I'd like to see which way people on entitlement programs voted.

[wiffleball 4,640]

Awesome you have a breakdown of the entitlement vote? I'd like to see which way people on entitlement programs voted.

Well, obviously there is a breakdown of what state voted for whom. There is also a breakdown of entitlements as a percentage of overall state income By -State.

 

West Virginia blows way past the national average a 16% of income from government entitlements. In fact over 26% of West Virginia's total income comes from federal government entitlement programs.

 

That's the kind of thing The Alex Jones and Sean Hannity's of the world don't really want people to know. Because among other things, it sure bites into that whole minority sucking tax dollars narrative. I'm fairly certain West Virginia isnt exactly riddled with non-whites. But that's just a guess. And a whole nother conversation.

 

Just from a common-sense perspective. Republicans have been saying the only people who will lose insurance are people who don't have it through their employer in the first place. And those lazy people should get an employer who has insurance. Couple that with West Virginia historically having some of the highest unemployment rates and the entitlement numbers make all the sense in the world.

[crackattack 513]

Well, obviously there is a breakdown of what state voted for whom. There is also a breakdown of entitlements as a percentage of overall state income By -State.

 

West Virginia blows way past the national average a 16% of income from government entitlements. In fact over 26% of West Virginia's total income comes from federal government entitlement programs.

 

That's the kind of thing The Alex Jones and Sean Hannity's of the world don't really want people to know. Because among other things, it sure bites into that whole minority sucking tax dollars narrative. I'm fairly certain West Virginia isnt exactly riddled with non-whites. But that's just a guess. And a whole nother conversation.

 

Just from a common-sense perspective. Republicans have been saying the only people who will lose insurance are people who don't have it through their employer in the first place. And those lazy people should get an employer who has insurance. Couple that with West Virginia historically having some of the highest unemployment rates and the entitlement numbers make all the sense in the world.

I don't disagree with your post completely. Trump won WV with 68% of the vote. I could easily say the 26% of WV entitlement recipients voted Democrat. Now, I know that would be false, but it could be safe to say 20% did. The point is, the people receiving entitlements could just have well voted democrat or independent for that matter. We don't know for sure. And honestly, if those 26% of people felt a change was needed, or seen no improvement under the last administration, then who are we to criticize if they want change? That's the greatness of being American. We can voice our displeasure at the ballot box.

 

 

I'm pretty sure Mississippi is the largest recipient of federal aid, welfare and so on, but I could be wrong.