Fumbleweed

3.05- Sam Burns

I would think not. I’ll wait to make my pick until you make a replacement pick.

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Affleck

2.05- Cameron Young

1.05- Max Homa

Agreed. That's my point. We've moved into a whole other realm here. Traditional liberalism is dead and has been replaced by whatever this is.

I actually like many if not most traditional liberals. As a conservative, I don't agree with them on a whole host of things, but respect their viewpoint. The problem in the U.S. right now is not liberals, it's leftists. They're not traditional liberals at all and they're trying to rip the country apart. We have a president and other government persons who totally cater to them. Disturbing doesn't even begin to describe what that creates.

I feel sorry for you. Seriously. That’s the last I’ll say about it.

Bumbleweed? Dude, I’m respectful to you and everyone else here. Get a grip.

This is your perception of things and there's no reason for me to challenge it. After all, perception is reality for most people. What I can tell you with absolute certainty is that within that perceived wasteland of common thought, there are plenty of people who wrestle with it all. They may appear to support Trump wholeheartedly because he represents the opposite politically of what they absolutely abhor, but when it comes to actually casting their vote, they do so with only that abhorrence in mind rather that some sort of Trump devotion.

Nope. Let me tell you about the actual community of people I interact with. Most of my social circle could be labeled evangelical Christian if you're into labels and such. That's probably my label, too. The Christian label I wear with absolute gratitude...the other part of the label carries some baggage. Anyway, back on topic: It is a group of conflicted people with respect to national politics. And, much more complex than the simpleton recipe you're cooking up. Sure, there are a loud minority of those under this tent that would follow Trump into fire, but for the vast majority, it's a complex issue with much to consider. As I told you before, I think the allegiance to Trump comes from Christians feeling largely protected from government from January 2017-January 2021. They felt absolutely NO protection under Obama and Biden is basically a third term of that. The right went after Bill Clinton in the 90's, but he actually was more of a centrist than anything else and I didn't feel like he would promote leftism and really didn't. Aside from him being a complete and total womanizer, he was actually a decent president. He is largely beloved in Oklahoma because of how he interacted with people here following the OKC bombing. And, he's a democrat. People can look beyond the labels. All I'm saying is that you've painted your picture with a huge paint stroke and it's not as cut and dried as you say. Not by a mile. Most Christians take their politics seriously and that creates some really tough choices when it comes to voting.

Never mind. I didn’t realize you were acutely familiar with the hearts and minds of thousands of people you’ve never met.

Only the sith deal in absolutes... Seriously, though, this is kind of a lazy take. You're acting as if a massive group of people all share some sort of groupthink on this. I think if you took the time to speak with evangelicals one by one, you'd find a wide range of feelings about Trump varying from allegiance to disdain and everything in between. Kind of like saying "in my neck of the woods, all blondes love him and think... I don't have a clue how you feel about evangelicals. But, give the group a shred of credit in that most people at the end of the day have the capacity to think for themselves on who they support and to what level.

Totally correct. Biden would go down in flames most likely vs. any other decent Republican candidate. The choice of Trump actually gives him a fighting chance.