Poor Dolphins

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Per ESPN.com:

 

Monday, April 30, 2007

Ginn unsure he'll be ready for Dolphins' training camp

Associated Press

 

DAVIE, Fla. -- Miami Dolphins coach Cam Cameron might want to brace for another round of boos: Top draft pick Ted Ginn Jr. says he's unsure whether he'll be healthy for the start of training camp.

 

Ginn paid a visit to the Dolphins' complex Sunday and said his sprained left foot will be in a boot for about a month. Rehabilitation will follow, and Ginn said there's no guarantee he'll be ready to practice when camp begins in three months.

 

"It's whatever the training staff says," the speedy Ohio State receiver-returner said. "I hope that I'm going to be able to be there day one."

 

Ginn will miss mini-camp May 4-6, but the Dolphins said they expect Ginn to be healthy for the start of training camp.

 

"We feel good about Ted's foot," general manager Randy Mueller said.

 

Ginn was hurt in the BCS national championship game Jan. 8 after returning the opening kickoff 93 yards for a touchdown against Florida. The injury happened during an end zone celebration.

 

 

If you are going to reach wildly for a player in the draft, you ought to at least be sure he's healthy!

[santa*69 0]

Remember the Dolphins Physicians said Brees would not be ready and that Culpepper was ready. Now this.

 

Who hires these guys. Time to make a change in Phys staff.

[swamp dog 0]

if he was healthy, the top-10 isn't a place to draft a punt returner. i don't understand them not trying to trade down even a few spots if that's who they really wanted.

[Belushi 9]

I, like everyone else on the planet, could not believe that pick. A punt returner in the top 10? When you already have Chambers, Booker (maybe), and Hagans, but no QB to throw to them? That one blew me away.

 

I had high hopes for Ronnie Brown this year, but if that's the way this team is going to be run, they'll be looking up at NE, NYJ, and the Bills for a long time.

[santa*69 0]

I, like everyone else on the planet, could not believe that pick. A punt returner in the top 10? When you already have Chambers, Booker (maybe), and Hagans, but no QB to throw to them? That one blew me away.

 

I had high hopes for Ronnie Brown this year, but if that's the way this team is going to be run, they'll be looking up at NE, NYJ, and the Bills for a long time.

 

 

What you see is a copy cat league. They saw the Bears last year and they think they can duplicate that.

The coach should be fired and everyone involved in the pick. If you can't do your own homework and pick your needs instead of trying to duplicate another team you don't deserve to coach. That was horrible.

 

Hats off to the Dolphin fans on a day like that for voicing displeasure. They should do the same at the ticket office and just stay away.

[Ace08 11]

Kudos to the Phins for not caving in to all the ESPN/Glamor boy crap and taking the next Rick Mirer...the fact is the Dolphins needed to go offense, not defense. The guy they really wanted, Levi Brown, was taken a few picks before and thus Ginn was the next best offensive player available. Don't believe it? Look at the next 8-10 picks after the Dolphins selected Ginn....mostly defensive players.

 

This was a case of the Dolphins trying to get Brown but he got chosen...then they probably tried to trade down but didn't get a price they wanted and as such took the best offensive player on the board. Simple case of a team's need not matching the value available at the moment....but in the end I still think the made the right decision. Brady Quinn would have been a horrible pick and they ended up getting a better QB in Beck and at a price tag 31 picks cheaper. Ginn is fills a need and will contribute immediately. If NFL GM's could go back and "re-do" last years draft knowing what they know today you're going to tell me Devin Hester doesn't get selected in the first round???? You're kidding yourself if you think that. The difference here is that Ginn is actually a good receiver whereas Hester really is a man with no position other than a returner. I'm from Miami and watched Hester progress throughout his career and I'll be the first to tell you he'll never stick at either CB or WR for various reasons that I won't go into.

 

Cleveland can keep Quinn...he was easily the most overrated player in this draft.

[santa*69 0]

Kudos to the Phins for not caving in to all the ESPN/Glamor boy crap and taking the next Rick Mirer...the fact is the Dolphins needed to go offense, not defense. The guy they really wanted, Levi Brown, was taken a few picks before and thus Ginn was the next best offensive player available. Don't believe it? Look at the next 8-10 picks after the Dolphins selected Ginn....mostly defensive players.

 

This was a case of the Dolphins trying to get Brown but he got chosen...then they probably tried to trade down but didn't get a price they wanted and as such took the best offensive player on the board. Simple case of a team's need not matching the value available at the moment....but in the end I still think the made the right decision. Brady Quinn would have been a horrible pick and they ended up getting a better QB in Beck and at a price tag 31 picks cheaper. Ginn is fills a need and will contribute immediately. If NFL GM's could go back and "re-do" last years draft knowing what they know today you're going to tell me Devin Hester doesn't get selected in the first round???? You're kidding yourself if you think that. The difference here is that Ginn is actually a good receiver whereas Hester really is a man with no position other than a returner. I'm from Miami and watched Hester progress throughout his career and I'll be the first to tell you he'll never stick at either CB or WR for various reasons that I won't go into.

 

Cleveland can keep Quinn...he was easily the most overrated player in this draft.

 

 

I think Hester was a 2nd round pick. You also have a guy with an injury which he still has not recovered from 4 months later. That was a bad injury. You had other rec without question marks if you wanted to go that direction. I agree maybe they did want to trade down and maybe they think Quinn will suck and maybe he will. From that standpoint of they got a QB the only problem I have with that is they did not know he was going to be available so I do not buy that.

 

Look at it this way still better than Philly did. The dolphins still have years to go and will still need to draft a qb.

[Durtee 0]

Kudos to the Phins for not caving in to all the ESPN/Glamor boy crap and taking the next Rick Mirer...the fact is the Dolphins needed to go offense, not defense. The guy they really wanted, Levi Brown, was taken a few picks before and thus Ginn was the next best offensive player available. Don't believe it? Look at the next 8-10 picks after the Dolphins selected Ginn....mostly defensive players.

 

This was a case of the Dolphins trying to get Brown but he got chosen...then they probably tried to trade down but didn't get a price they wanted and as such took the best offensive player on the board. Simple case of a team's need not matching the value available at the moment....but in the end I still think the made the right decision. Brady Quinn would have been a horrible pick and they ended up getting a better QB in Beck and at a price tag 31 picks cheaper. Ginn is fills a need and will contribute immediately. If NFL GM's could go back and "re-do" last years draft knowing what they know today you're going to tell me Devin Hester doesn't get selected in the first round???? You're kidding yourself if you think that. The difference here is that Ginn is actually a good receiver whereas Hester really is a man with no position other than a returner. I'm from Miami and watched Hester progress throughout his career and I'll be the first to tell you he'll never stick at either CB or WR for various reasons that I won't go into.

 

Cleveland can keep Quinn...he was easily the most overrated player in this draft.

 

I agree with some of that. I'm not a huge Quinn fan either and I don't think that Beck will be any worse than Quinn, but taking a punt returner at 9 is just crazy. There is no guarantee or proof that this guy can even play WR, he only ran 3 routes at Ohio State. He ran by everyone in college, but as we all know the biggest difference between college and the NFL is game speed. I'm not sure if they should have drafted Quinn, but I know that they shouldn't have drafted Ginn. I understand that they needed to go offense and after losing Welker, they needed some help in the return game, but I think that they could have gotten a similar player later in the draft. And now Ginn might not be ready for training camp, if he's not 100% healthy by the start of the season, then he's not going to make an immediate impact anyways. Hester might get drafted in the first round if they did the draft over, but that doesn't make it right. Your right about that guy not playing any other position. He was absolutely horrible at DB and I don't think he would be much better at WR, the only way he would be effective is running reverses and trick plays, but every D-coordinator in the league would pick up on that pretty quick and Ginn could probably play WR better than Hester can play DB, but Ginn won't be good enough to justify passing up on a potential franchise QB. All in all the dolphins still don't have a QB to start right now. Culpepper will never be the same and will probably be released and unless they get Trent Green, then they will ruin Beck by throwing him to the wolves his first year. Quinn might be overrated, but IMO so is Ginn.

 

My question is, why didn't they draft Okeye? They are old at DT and could have used a young DT with tremendous upside.

[Ace08 11]

I'm not telling you Ginn is the 2nd coming....all I'm saying is I can see the logic in the pick and the fact of the matter is the Dolphins were in a very bad situation. Drafting 9th in a draft where the biggest impact WR went #2 overall and the top 2 Offensive Tackles were off the board in the top 8 picks.....those were the Dolphins 2 biggest need areas. I think Ginn will be a very good WR at the pro level....I'm not saying he'll be the next Jerry Rice but I think he is very much in the mold of a Mark Duper......there's a blast from the past for you.

 

As far as going Defense on that pick....drafting the kid from Louisville is a bigger reach, in my humble opinion, than drafting Ginn is. Why? Because that 19 year old kid is going to have to line up against grown men on every down. There is a world of difference between being barely 6 ft and 300 something pounds and being matched up against a mature NFL Offensive Lineman where he'll constantly be challenged at the point of attack. I'm not saying the kid won't be good but it's unprecendented uncharted waters to have an interior lineman that young be such a high pick......I can see the kid struggling physically at least a couple of years before he matures enough physically to compete on that level. You can argue Willis but we're pretty good at linebacker, even behind Zack with Crowder still very young and coming into his own. Both of the top 2 CB's were not slam dunks by any stretch and it's ironic that the guy most had rated #1 (Leon Hall) was torched by none other than Ted Ginn this past season.

 

Honestly...I put myself in Mueller and Cameron's shoes....which isn't very enviable given all the factors involved...and I think they did as good a job as possible under the circumstances. If Ginn turns into a Galloway type player and Beck does live up to fruition nobody will argue that they made a bad choice. On the other hand I feel pretty confident in saying that Brady Quinn will be another Kyle Boller/Rick Mirer type of player that will struggle and be a career back-up.

[bigtuna 0]

Ginn has zero ability as WR.

 

He runs too high, he doesn't run anything resembling an NFL route, and he is not tested hands wise in traffic.

 

He is an electrifying runner with the ball in his hands. He is NOT Lee Evans, who had all the NFL skills to move nicely into the league. Ginn was overdrafted based on his special teams ability, which is incredible, but not enough to justify #9 pick.

 

I like Gonzalez better and would think he will be a better NFL reciever than GInn.

[Phurfur 70]

He hurt himself celebrating, can't get past that.

[Frank M 181]

Sounds like whistling in the dark to me.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Bottom line: the Dolphins should've traded down.

[RunRastaRun 0]

I'm not telling you Ginn is the 2nd coming....all I'm saying is I can see the logic in the pick and the fact of the matter is the Dolphins were in a very bad situation. Drafting 9th in a draft where the biggest impact WR went #2 overall and the top 2 Offensive Tackles were off the board in the top 8 picks.....those were the Dolphins 2 biggest need areas. I think Ginn will be a very good WR at the pro level....I'm not saying he'll be the next Jerry Rice but I think he is very much in the mold of a Mark Duper......there's a blast from the past for you.

 

As far as going Defense on that pick....drafting the kid from Louisville is a bigger reach, in my humble opinion, than drafting Ginn is. Why? Because that 19 year old kid is going to have to line up against grown men on every down. There is a world of difference between being barely 6 ft and 300 something pounds and being matched up against a mature NFL Offensive Lineman where he'll constantly be challenged at the point of attack. I'm not saying the kid won't be good but it's unprecendented uncharted waters to have an interior lineman that young be such a high pick......I can see the kid struggling physically at least a couple of years before he matures enough physically to compete on that level. You can argue Willis but we're pretty good at linebacker, even behind Zack with Crowder still very young and coming into his own. Both of the top 2 CB's were not slam dunks by any stretch and it's ironic that the guy most had rated #1 (Leon Hall) was torched by none other than Ted Ginn this past season.

 

Honestly...I put myself in Mueller and Cameron's shoes....which isn't very enviable given all the factors involved...and I think they did as good a job as possible under the circumstances. If Ginn turns into a Galloway type player and Beck does live up to fruition nobody will argue that they made a bad choice. On the other hand I feel pretty confident in saying that Brady Quinn will be another Kyle Boller/Rick Mirer type of player that will struggle and be a career back-up.

 

 

 

 

The Dolphins had Beck rated higher than Quinn & Stanton. Beck will be the starting QB sooner rather than later.

 

I can also understand why the Dolphins took Ginn but I don't agree with it. I would have went elsewhere instead of a 5'11' - 170lb injured WR.

[bigmarc27 24]

He hurt himself celebrating, can't get past that.

 

That's not a fair statement... Another player jumped on his back celebrating the TD and Ginn's foot got caught underneath -- he wasn't the one celebrating.

 

Either way, bad value pick.

[JScott 20]

Did anyone else see the Cam press conference after Day 1 in MIA? They showed it on NFLN. He steps to the podium and the place erupts in "BOOOOOOO"s. Off camera apperently a fan was giving the thumbs down sign and Cam says over the boooing, we need to turn that up (giving the thumbs up sign). THe booing continuted. Felt bad for the guy.

[cmh6476 1,025]

the guy is undersized, and would rather go out of bounds than take a hit. A top 10 pick on a potential kick returner

 

 

and you havent even signed cleo lemon to a rfa tender, and culpepper is sucks and may still be hurt.

 

Suck it for not trading us for Green, and enjoy bowing this year!#@

[mkuz 0]

as a jets fan living in indiana i loved seeing the phins take on cam cameron as their head coach this offseason. he couldnt win @ IU and he wont win in the NFL. the dolphins draft was not good and it is probably his fault (and his staffs'). i agree with ace08 about quinn, but ginn?? poor value and a poor overall draft. the bills did this last year and i think they will suffer for a few years because of it and now i also think the phins will suffer from this year for a while.

now, if only the damn pats would stop getting better.

 

J-E-T-S! Jets! Jets! Jets!

[cmh6476 1,025]

as a jets fan living in indiana i loved seeing the phins take on cam cameron as their head coach this offseason. he couldnt win @ IU and he wont win in the NFL. the dolphins draft was not good and it is probably his fault (and his staffs'). i agree with ace08 about quinn, but ginn?? poor value and a poor overall draft. the bills did this last year and i think they will suffer for a few years because of it and now i also think the phins will suffer from this year for a while.

now, if only the damn pats would stop getting better.

 

J-E-T-S! Jets! Jets! Jets!

 

 

it is amazing how far one bad draft will set you back. Look what taking (trading up even) to get ryan sims did to the chiefs

 

[Belushi 9]

I agree they shouldn't have taken Quinn there, although it would have been a better pick than an injured punt returner.

 

Can't get a good deal trading down? Fine, then pick the best player available. Ginn wasn't that player. This team's D is getting old. Take one of the many fine defensive players on the board at that time. They'd contribute allot more than a special teams player. Or, take the best O-lineman available, even if it is a reach. O-line is certainly a bigger need than a punt returner. People may not have liked reaching for a player, but at least it would be someone who could contribute.

 

WR wasn't the problem for this team last year. It was foolish to waste a high pick on a luxury position that wasn't an area of need.

[booya 0]

Just to respond to most of the negative remarks about the 'phins drafting ted ginn, I personally think it was a great pick after feeling the same as most of you guys. I think that Ginn, as a WR, will stretch the field so much and open up other opportunities for Chambers, David Martin, Hagans, and even get open on the deep ball. Maybe it wasnt the best value pick as they couldve gotten Sidney Rice in the 2nd round (who is 6'4!) and gone other ways but I think that overall the Dolphins had a great draft overall.

[RunRastaRun 0]

HYDE: Dolphins secretive draft plan works to perfection

Mueller, Cameron wanted Ginn, then Beck with top picks.

 

Published May 1, 2007

 

 

DAVIE · As Atlanta picked, as Brady Quinn remained, as 15 Dolphins front-office officials and scouts sat in Saturday's draft room with the team going on the clock, one scout said excitedly, "This is coming off just like we want."

 

To which General Manager Randy Mueller thought to himself: "You have no idea how it is."

 

Only four people had an idea. That was part of the stealth plan. As it began to unveil with the pick of Ted Ginn Jr., coach Cam Cameron was famously booed, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., called the Dolphins, "in a word, ridiculous," and Mueller alternated between text-messaging the next target in quarterback John Beck, trying furiously to trade up to get Beck and receiving a text message from his teenage daughter.

 

"Dad, I love Ginn," it read. "But you're going to need a bulletproof vest to get home."

 

By Monday afternoon, as he sat at the Dolphins' facility in a team sweatshirt, chuckling about that message, Mueller still sat in the epicenter of a national football debate over this Dolphins draft.

 

"We expected that," he said. "Cam and I knew exactly what the reaction would be [to passing on Quinn]."

 

The booing? The name-calling? The coast-to-coast furor?

 

"All of it," he said. "But that's how it had to be. We wouldn't encourage, discourage, lead or mislead anyone leading up to the draft. We could just stay mum about our plans.

 

"I would cringe whenever I turned on a TV and saw Beck being mentioned. I didn't want anyone talking about him at all. I didn't want any team to know what we thought of him and another team maybe taking him."

 

Listen, then, to the thinking behind these picks. Because the logic makes sense. This wasn't Dave Wannstedt taking linebacker Eddie Moore in hopes he'd become a special-teams contributor. This wasn't Rick Spielman being bluffed out of a fourth-round pick so Minnesota wouldn't take Vernon Carey.

 

For better or worse, richer or poorer, this draft went exactly as Mueller and Cameron hoped with Ginn and Beck becoming their hopes for home runs. That caused the strangest of clashes.

 

The Dolphins' brass privately celebrated their "luck that everything broke our way," as Mueller said, even as a public-relations storm lashed around them.

 

Only the Dolphins' Gang of Four knew the plan. Mueller and Cameron formulated it over the preceding weeks, then discussed it over dinner last Wednesday with team owner H. Wayne Huizenga and president Bryan Wiedmeier.

 

It was full of options and contingencies, depending on what other teams did. But the thinking was two-pronged. First, that Ginn was "special," Mueller said.

 

What about a receiver's lesser value compared to a quarterback?

 

"This guy's electric," Mueller said of Ginn. "Every time he touches the ball, you think he might go the distance."

 

Unstated here was that none of the available quarterbacks graded out as elite level. Quinn had been hyped that way. The decisions said otherwise. Detroit, Cleveland, maybe Tampa Bay all need a young quarterback and passed on Quinn before the Dolphins did. Carolina and Jacksonville, also needing a quarterback, passed before Cleveland traded and took Quinn.

 

But why not trade down?

 

"I know for a fact two teams were ready to take [Ginn] if we passed," Mueller said. (The NFL Network has reported Houston wanted Ginn with the 10th pick.)

 

What's telling, Mueller says, is this pick signals a philosophical shift to a Dolphins' offense that has ranked no higher than 14th in NFL scoring since 2000. No more will the offense hope for grinding 12-play, 75-yard drives that were the norm for recent Dolphins teams.

 

"Cam and I both believe you've got to be able to have the ability to strike quickly," Mueller said.

 

Now came the second part of the plan: grabbing Beck. In early April, Mueller and Cameron interviewed the top four quarterback prospects over a week.

 

Only upon finishing did they compare notes. Quinn and Beck were close enough to each other to be happy with either. Stanford's Trent Edwards was just a notch lower.

 

But when Cleveland traded for Quinn on Saturday, that's when Mueller began to worry about getting Beck. Actually, one team worried him: Detroit. Drafting seven spots before the Dolphins, Mueller knew Detroit wanted a quarterback.

 

Hoping to see if Detroit had contacted Beck, Mueller text-messaged him: "Are you OK?"

 

"My wife wants a tan, and I'm wearing flip-flops," Beck wrote back.

 

Mueller began talking with Chicago (31st pick) and Oakland (33rd pick) to trade up. He offered a switch of picks for the Dolphins' 40th overall pick and combinations that involved third- or fourth-round picks. He thought he had a deal. Then he didn't. Then came word Detroit had traded to the 43rd spot.

 

"I felt better after that," Mueller said.

 

By Monday afternoon, Mueller wasn't thinking about Quinn or the continued storm.

 

He was thinking how Beck had asked for the cell phone number of every player in his draft class to talk. And how he'd left a quickie visit to the Dolphins this weekend with a playbook and as much information to study as possible.

 

"That's what you like to see," he said, leaning back and doing what so few Dolphins fans were this draft.

 

Smiling.

[pook187 0]

For a guy who's just a kick returner he sure made some 1st round pick DBs look silly.

 

Schefter right now on NFLN: 'Ginn was gone at 10 if Miami didn't take him'.

[shovelheadt 71]

 

I like Gonzalez better and would think he will be a better NFL reciever than GInn.

 

Way to go out on a limb there. One went to Manning, the other went to a QBless team. Yawn.

[Chief71 0]

I have no sympathy for the phins. Just wait until the Chiefs hold on to Trent Green just to spite the fins. I think there will be hell to pay in Miami. good luck there Cam!

[pook187 0]

I have no sympathy for the phins. Just wait until the Chiefs hold on to Trent Green just to spite the fins. I think there will be hell to pay in Miami. good luck there Cam!

 

Do you really think they'll be stupid enough to pay a crapload of cash to a QB that doesn't want to be there? Just to 'spite' Miami?

[Chief71 0]

Do you really think they'll be stupid enough to pay a crapload of cash to a QB that doesn't want to be there? Just to 'spite' Miami?

 

Apparently, you are not familiar with King Carl Peterson

[cmh6476 1,025]

Do you really think they'll be stupid enough to pay a crapload of cash to a QB that doesn't want to be there? Just to 'spite' Miami?

that or they'll hold onto him until the very last round of cuts, since Trent his agent and the Fins want to be a bunch of d!cks. That'll give him a solid week or so to learn the new system and build a rapport with his new team

[MahSoonerz 0]

This reminds me exactly of us trashing Buffalo's draft last year. The only difference is the Bills knew what they were doing.

 

Give it a year or three to be fair. All we can say right now with certainty is that both Ginn and Beck will be total busts. Other than that, these moves may work out for the Dolphins.

[RunRastaRun 0]

I have no sympathy for the phins. Just wait until the Chiefs hold on to Trent Green just to spite the fins. I think there will be hell to pay in Miami. good luck there Cam!

 

 

Then you can fully expect John Beck to start game 1 of the 2007 season for the Dolphins.

 

They really like John Beck. So much so they wanted to trade down in the 2nd rd to get him.

[RLLD 4,237]

Did Miami hire a bunch of oakland and Detriot cast offs??

 

Jesus H.....they are seriously focking that organization up...

[Zackattack 0]

Give it a year or three to be fair. All we can say right now with certainty is that both Ginn and Beck will be total busts. Other than that, these moves may work out for the Dolphins.

 

 

OK so why are Beck and Ginn going to be busts? So they claim Ginn only runs so many routes. He was the best reciever at Ohio State the last two years. Better than Gonzalez and (1rst round pick of the Steelers last year) Santonio Holmes. I am a Wolverine fan and I watched plenty of Big ten games. Ginn can score at any time. He should help spread the field for the Dolphins. He is a perfect fit for the team. He will help open it up for Chambers and Ronnie Brown.

 

I think the Dolphins added quite a few nice pieces to this team.Besides Ginn and Beck we added new center, a blocking fullback and a quick multi talented third down back.I beive there is another O-lineman as well. Wait and see all you Fins haters.

[Larry David 20]

I lost a lot of respect for Mel Kiper when he gave the Dolphins a better draft grade than the Giants. The Dolphins had one of the worst drafts in recent years.

[RLLD 4,237]

I lost a lot of respect for Mel Kiper when he gave the Dolphins a better draft grade than the Giants. The Dolphins had one of the worst drafts in recent years.

 

I would concur, on both counts, and there really wasn't much room for me to lose any more respect for Kiper....

[MahSoonerz 0]

OK so why are Beck and Ginn going to be busts? So they claim Ginn only runs so many routes. He was the best reciever at Ohio State the last two years. Better than Gonzalez and (1rst round pick of the Steelers last year) Santonio Holmes. I am a Wolverine fan and I watched plenty of Big ten games. Ginn can score at any time. He should help spread the field for the Dolphins. He is a perfect fit for the team. He will help open it up for Chambers and Ronnie Brown.

 

Yes, and Jason White totally tore up the Big 12 too. Big deal. The pro team in, say, Indiana, is a lot less forgiving of glaring deficiencies in one's game than the college team in Indiana.

[Erb047 0]

I can't help but laugh when everyone says the Fins had "one of the worst drafts" ever. The rookies haven't even stepped on the playing field yet. If you all can predict the future can you tell me the powerball numbers too? I love the Ginn pick. When that guy is healthy man, watch out. Cameron made a solid point that with Ginn back there for a punt return, you basically gain one more offensive play since he's so damn quick.

 

I love how everyone is calling Ginn and Beck busts already. I bet three quarters of this damn board hasn't even watched a damn clip of John Beck yet.

 

The only pick I don't really agree with was Lorenzo Booker. I think they could've gotten better value there.

[pook187 0]

I love their draft. I fault them for not getting a project LT at some point but hey, they're more than one draft away.

 

Ginn's going to be a Reggie Bush type X-factor. Beck will be good in Cam's system. Very good draft.

 

[Zackattack 0]

Dolphin haters are all over this board. We will see in a few years. Wait till Ginn takes one to the house!!

[MahSoonerz 0]

For the record, I am by no means a "Dolphin hater." Their draft would have been just as destructive to any team's future.

 

Give it another couple weeks and I predict Ginn mania will become even sillier than the buzz here over Tatum Bell two years ago.

[pook187 0]

For the record, I am by no means a "Dolphin hater." Their draft would have been just as destructive to any team's future.

 

How're you coming up with your assessment that adding Ginn, Beck and Satele to a lousy offense would be destructive?