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There is also no statistical or factual proof that gender-modifying surgery for children is a benefit. There is a single study out of the Netherlands (I think) which used a carefully curated set of kids with a long history of gender dysphoria, which has not been repeated, and which became the standard of care for children who present themselves as trans. This was all discussed in detail in the Honestly pod I discussed recently; if you'd like to listen (you won't, I know, but I'll ask) I'll go find the link for you.
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Anyone who has kids in middle or high school (and many in elementary school) knows this is not the case, at least by self-reporting due to the social contagion exploding through schools. I would confidently bet that those parents know multiple allegedly trans friends of their kids, if not their kids themselves. I've been meaning to ask: do you have kids? I've got three whom I discuss here often, all in their 20s.
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What does this have to do with your earlier post about an apparently 30-something trans person making their own medical decisions? Other than the fact that it all gives you a hard on?
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Piling on this, @dogcows thinks we live in a Democracy and not a Republic, so thinks laws should be made by the simple majority. Of course, the .004% of trans people in the US currently wants the rest of the population to work around them and he's okay with that. In that situation, we live in a Republic where the majority can't impose their will. @Hardcore troubadour correctly pointed out earlier that dogshiats "majority rules, bro!" position would have never ended the slavery that his side supported - and many other rights.
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So abortion beliefs aren’t absolute? They are various shades of grey? You don’t say! Almost seems like we should just leave it to each person’s conscience then. As for transgender care for kids. We are very far from consensus on that as well. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/majority-of-americans-reject-anti-trans-bills-but-support-for-this-restriction-is-rising
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I didn't mean to go down this rat hole on abortion, although I'm confident that the 60-40 is in the context of eliminating all abortions, and we could find a majority that would agree with much more restrictive scenarios. Anyway, now do trans. Where are we on public perception of surgeries and hormones for kids?
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Well dog, we are free, but with most rights come responsibilities. We happen to disagree on a few things. I believe that an unborn fetus is a human life, so I disagree with killing it because you have a trip to Hawaii planned in March and you want to look good in your bikini, as that is tantamount to killing a child. You sleep easier at night by fooling yourself with an arbitrary point for killing a developing baby for convenience, so congrats on that I guess. Having and raising children is the primary reason living beings exist, so I'm comfortable with my position on preserving the sanctity of life. For trans children, "medical intervention" can comprise a lot of things. If a person believes they should be blind, we can take out their eyeballs. But we don't. Just because we have the medical technology to accomplish something doesn't mean it should become SOP, particularly for a child who has not yet completed all of the complex and often confusing transitions to adulthood. Your voter fraud comment is silly, I'll just ignore it.
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So you’re admitting trans women aren’t real women!!!!
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Tranny wants to be euthanized due to the tranny surgery they had: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12349523/Trans-indigenous-Canadian-slams-doctors-denying-euthanasia-request-saying-death-free-agony-surgically-built-vagina.html
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My concern with absolutes is that they are so darn absolute. The Left loves to find corner cases and legislate to them. For abortion there was that alleged 10 yr old rape victim in Ohio. For voting integrity there was death by dehydration in Georgia. To continue the abortion analogy I like to take a "zero plus" approach -- the default is zero abortions, but make your case for edge situations. (The opposite, for pro-abortion people, is "infinity minus" btw). I'm trying to be similar for the trans stuff. The default is zero for kids, but make a case of why some edge scenario should be allowed. Maybe there aren't any; honestly I can't think of one. But if you just say zero, the Left will shut down conversation and just call you a magaturd transphobe. Also instead of minors I would make it age of medical consent. I think @MDCbrought this up a while ago and it makes sense. If a state says you can make medical decisions at 17, well, this is a medical decision. The state is welcome to change the age if it doesn't like it.
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The anti-trans movement is not about protecting kids. It’s not about anything except attacking and excluding people who are different.
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I UNLEASHED DEATH UPON THIS SINFUL ACT
God Almighty replied to God Almighty's topic in The Geek Club
It's Deep State. Don't come crying to me when the trans antifa BLM manatees come for your children at the beach and win congressional seats in Florida. Then they'll swim up the Rio Grande and help fentanyl-laden transgender Haitians safely cross the river and enter into MY COUNTRY. AND I SHALL SMITE THEM ALL. -
I think the vast majority of "trans" are nothing more than attention seekers and I see him as one of those.
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Putin signs law banning gender change in Russia
TBayXXXVII replied to JustinCharge's topic in The Geek Club
Yes, there are a few states that are looking to ban abortions completely, but the majority (red states), are putting limits on them. Also, the major factor behind any bans/restrictions are based on protecting the unborn's right(s), not restricting the mothers. As I said to the King Troll earlier, something that the Left hangs their hat on is giving voice to those who don't have one. How come that conveniently stops with the unborn? I'll answer that one. It's because the unborn can't vote. What clinics are closing down because trans care is being banned FOR ADULTS? I don't recall the school districts every having discussions on if the books belong in the schools or library's to begin with... do you? I agree that both sides can and do go too far, that's why all politicians suck. That said, it's always easier to say "No, but let's see where we can compromise", than it is to say "Yes, ok, now let's restrict" (see books in schools or abortions as examples). I have no love for any politician, regardless of which aisle they sit on, but the Left continually creates victims and pretends to care and help. What they do is just pander, don't help, and blame Republican's for it. Na, fock them azzholes. The Right is clearly the lesser of two evils... it's not even close. -
Putin signs law banning gender change in Russia
BuckSwope replied to JustinCharge's topic in The Geek Club
Abortion bans, so they don't want situational or a limit like the public. Closing down clinics and banning trans care. I never rarely see discussions about age restrictions on books, it's remove them from a library. Both sides get a bit authoritarian. Most of the time the left is too lax with the restrictions, and for my liking the right goes too far the other way. -
Putin signs law banning gender change in Russia
BuckSwope replied to JustinCharge's topic in The Geek Club
A key piece you leave out in all this that maybe while you believe that, the actions of the GOP are pushing for bans in many of those cases, not just age restrictions or other limits. That is not letting people largely do what they want. Each side says they want that, but when you look at their actions it's just for things they agree with. A lefty that wants their choices for trans people might tell you not have a gun and ban that, and vise versa.