School Tax

[Super Cubs 154]

I don't know how it works everywhere else but in Texas only property owers pay school tax. Being a property owner I don't think its fair that I have to pay so other's children can go to school while they pay nothing. What would be wrong with adding school tax in to sales tax. That way everyone can pay something and take the burden off the property owner.

 

Or would that be to easy?

[davebg 0]

I don't know how it works everywhere else but in Texas only property owers pay school tax. Being a property owner I don't think its fair that I have to pay so other's children can go to school while they pay nothing. What would be wrong with adding school tax in to sales tax. That way everyone can pay something and take the burden off the property owner.

 

Or would that be to easy?

Using your own logic...why should I, a visitor to Texas, have to pay for anyone's children in Texas to go to school? That is what would be happening if it was wrapped up into the sales tax.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I don't know how it works everywhere else but in Texas only property owers pay school tax. Being a property owner I don't think its fair that I have to pay so other's children can go to school while they pay nothing. What would be wrong with adding school tax in to sales tax. That way everyone can pay something and take the burden off the property owner.

 

Or would that be to easy?

 

In most places, people who rent are paying for the owner's taxes in addition to the cost of the space. Are we talking about the homeless?

[brinett9 0]

Renters indirectly pay real estate taxes.

 

The rental property owners have to pay the tax, and that figiures into the rent.

[Recidivist 1]

I assume the people you refer to as paying nothing are renters? While they don't get a tax bill from the property assessor's office, their landlord certainly does. Thus, a portion of their rent goes to pay the property tax for the landlord's property.

[RLLD 4,230]

PA does this as well, I think it si like 7k per year for the "education tax". A friend of mine who lives up there flipping hates it...

[GobbleDog 996]

I believe it's true that America spends more money per student on public eduction than any other country in the entire world.

 

You'd think we'd have the smartest kids in the world. But no.

[RLLD 4,230]

I believe it's true that America spends more money per student on public eduction than any other country in the entire world.

 

You'd think we'd have the smartest kids in the world. But no.

 

 

School boards lack adequate oversight, and they handle the funding poorly...

[davebg 0]

I believe it's true that America spends more money per student on public eduction than any other country in the entire world.

 

You'd think we'd have the smartest kids in the world. But no.

Yes, but do you know how much of that budget goes towards fending off toilet trespassers?

Teachers and officials in Uganda are desperately trying to flush out the villagers who are breaking into schools to use their toilets.

 

Some break padlocks and brave barbed wire to use the facilities meant for children, because they do not have pit latrines in their own homes.

 

The extra use means the school toilets fill up fast and new ones must be dug.

 

One teacher said the trespassers should be arrested and paraded naked in front of the children to discourage others.

 

Charles Iroota, a teacher from Atiri primary school in eastern Uganda, said most people who live nearby do not have their own toilets and so break in to use the school facilities.

 

"These people just trespass and defecate even on the compound. From the doorway, you find faeces up to inside the latrines," he said.

 

Administrators in primary schools in Jinja, Kamuli, Iganga, Tororo, Manafa, Pallisa and other districts in eastern Uganda made the same complaint.

 

Local social worker Saraha Akello says it is shameful that people who spend money on nice clothes and even cars have not bothered to build a pit latrine in their home.

 

"A man in a neck-tie and a coat during the day, trespassing in pit latrines. It's very disappointing indeed," she said.

 

"If you can't take care of your own faeces, how can you be sure you are taking good care of yourself?"

 

The district officials have asked the police and the other law enforcement officers to cooperate with the head teachers in flushing out the culprits.

 

Tororo District Council Chairman Okongo Ignatious Boma says those who are using the school facilities should be arrested for criminal trespass.

 

"It is a very serious problem," he said.

 

"Every person who is arrested should be made to dig a pit latrine at their own home."

 

But to the surprise of the head teachers and the district politicians, health officials say it is encouraging that villagers who used to use "bush toilets" are now appreciating latrines.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4971848.stm

[brinett9 0]

I believe it's true that America spends more money per student on public eduction than any other country in the entire world.

 

You'd think we'd have the smartest kids in the world. But no.

A lot of cash gets spent on DARE and other 'peeing into the wind' programs.

[Isotopes 1]

I live in Ohio and I was paying school tax before I bought a house. It is taken out of your paycheck and you file a return just like state and federal.

[brinett9 0]

...they do not have pit latrines in their own homes.

 

Unbelievable. Even edjr has a pit latrine.

[redtodd 7]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

[davebg 0]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

Kind of like why should I pay for things like welfare when I get up every morning and go to a job to support myself?

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

Now that's the first sensible thing I've heard all day

[shovelheadt 71]

I live in Ohio and I was paying school tax before I bought a house. It is taken out of your paycheck and you file a return just like state and federal.

 

Ditto, same thing in Indiana as well.

 

In related news, the state of Indiana just decided to remove all sugar filled sodas in all of the schools. Big deal you say...not when you realize that Hamilton Southeastern has a 100K contract with Coke to provide all Coke products in their school system.

[KSB2424 3,148]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

 

So they won't grow up to rob/murder you 18 years from now.

[brinett9 0]

Ditto, same thing in Indiana as well.

 

In related news, the state of Indiana just decided to remove all sugar filled sodas in all of the schools. Big deal you say...not when you realize that Hamilton Southeastern has a 100K contract with Coke to provide all Coke products in their school system.

Ah yes, the food nazis strike again.

 

Surely child obesity in Indiana is now a thing of the past.

[Vikings4ever 550]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

A parent without a kid...

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

How about a different rate for people with kids as opposed to those without kids? Why should parents without children pay for other people's kids to go to school?

 

Yes. Let's only tax people who use the fire department, police department, roads, libraries, and everything else that local taxes support

 

The single largest factor in the value of homes in communities is the quality of education. Bad schools = lower value. Good schools = better value. Look at your taxes spent on the schools as a good investment. It is up to those of you who pay taxes to help ensure that the money the schools get is spent wisely. Most people only get involved if they have kids.

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

In related news, the state of Indiana just decided to remove all sugar filled sodas in all of the schools. Big deal you say...not when you realize that Hamilton Southeastern has a 100K contract with Coke to provide all Coke products in their school system.

I thought that's throughout the country? That'll be a big blow if they don't find something else that Coke sells to replace it, like fruit juice or flavored bottled water. What are they going to replace the soda with?

[brinett9 0]

What are they going to replace the soda with?

Asbestos.

[Super Cubs 154]

Ok you guys guy make a good point on the renters. But you also have those living in goverment housing paying next to nothing. When you live in a school dristict with a high tax rate and your money goes to districts with lower tax rates it kind of pisses you off. Why not just settle on a equal rate for all school district and allow everyone to pay the same.

 

As far as coming in from another state if you do you arr already paying sales tax to support other goverment programs what would this hurt?

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

Asbestos.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Ok you guys guy make a good point on the renters. But you also have those living in goverment housing paying next to nothing. When you live in a school dristict with a high tax rate and your money goes to districts with lower tax rates it kind of pisses you off. Why not just settle on a equal rate for all school district and allow everyone to pay the same.

 

As far as coming in from another state if you do you arr already paying sales tax to support other goverment programs what would this hurt?

 

I agree that more balanced funding for different communities is the right way to go. While equal funding is not progressive enough to address certain other inequities, many communities have a deviation across districts/towns that are so out of whack that it is crazy. I can see a small deviation (10%?), but many low-income areas receive 2x+ other areas. That makes no sense to me.

[Vikings4ever 550]

I thought that's throughout the country? That'll be a big blow if they don't find something else that Coke sells to replace it, like fruit juice or flavored bottled water. What are they going to replace the soda with?

Unsweetened fruit juices and milk (other than whole milk ).

 

1. It's not going to make a damn bit of difference at the high school level. Kids will just stop at a gas station on their way to school and pick up a 2-3 bottles for the day, and bring them to school. The school loses out on the money, and the kids are still drinking pop.

2. Unless they've seriously redesigned the vending machines for the milk, the school will lose a lot of money. They installed one of those in my high school my senior year, and within a couple weeks, everyone knew that if you hit the things hard enough, the milk would just fall out.

[redtodd 7]

Yes. Let's only tax people who use the fire department, police department, roads, libraries, and everything else that local taxes support

 

It is hard to predict when you will "use" the police departments and fire dpeartments. You are paying for the potential need for them. Sort of like Insurance. You know whether you will use the schools or not. It is more straight forward.

[torridjoe 48]

It is hard to predict when you will "use" the police departments and fire dpeartments. You are paying for the potential need for them. Sort of like Insurance. You know whether you will use the schools or not. It is more straight forward.

 

Ah, but not everyone uses those other things. Everyone in America needs to go to school at some point if they are of school age.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

It is hard to predict when you will "use" the police departments and fire dpeartments. You are paying for the potential need for them. Sort of like Insurance. You know whether you will use the schools or not. It is more straight forward.

 

Huh? You call the cops, then they bill you. You call the fire department, they bill you.

 

Instead, why don't we privatize everything. There are no public schools. You only get school if you pay for it. That will work out great. The major reason that local taxes exist is for schools. You need to have a community that has strong schools so that you attract good residents and those smart kids turn into smart adults who contribute to the community.

 

Just because you don't have kids, does not exempt you from doing your part to ensure that the long-term benefits of the community continue.

[brinett9 0]

Ah, but not everyone uses those other things. Everyone in America needs to go to school at some point if they are of school age.

So you're saying childess people pay for their own public education forever?

 

Why don't I have to pay the town I went to school in? I've never paid taxes to that town.

[redtodd 7]

Ah, but not everyone uses those other things. Everyone in America needs to go to school at some point if they are of school age.

 

Yeah, and that's why their parent would have paid for their school tax.

[torridjoe 48]

So you're saying childess people pay for their own public education forever?

 

Why don't I have to pay the town I went to school in? I've never paid taxes to that town.

 

Childless people don't go to school?

[redtodd 7]

Huh? You call the cops, then they bill you. You call the fire department, they bill you.

 

Instead, why don't we privatize everything. There are no public schools. You only get school if you pay for it. That will work out great. The major reason that local taxes exist is for schools. You need to have a community that has strong schools so that you attract good residents and those smart kids turn into smart adults who contribute to the community.

 

Just because you don't have kids, does not exempt you from doing your part to ensure that the long-term benefits of the community continue.

 

I'm not saying that people who don't have kids shouldn't pay taxes towards the schools. They just shouldn't pay as much as people with kids.

 

 

Childless people don't go to school?

 

No, they already went to school and their parents paid taxes for them to go to school when they were children.

[brinett9 0]

Childless people don't go to school?

Yes, they do. I don't get your point.

 

So you're saying childless people pay for their own public education forever?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I'm not saying that people who don't have kids shouldn't pay taxes towards the schools. They just shouldn't pay as much as people with kids.

No, they already went to school and their parents paid taxes for them to go to school when they were children.

 

I would suggest that you take a look at how schools are funded today and then propose a plan to address the various up's and down's in child enrollment. I would hazard to guess that you have never seen a school budget before.

 

Assuming that you come up with a way in which you can prevent a fluctuating budget that would cripple a school system, what sort of deviation between those with kids and those without would you suggest (10%, 50%, 100%, etc.)?

[redtodd 7]

I would suggest that you take a look at how schools are funded today and then propose a plan to address the various up's and down's in child enrollment. I would hazard to guess that you have never seen a school budget before.

 

Assuming that you come up with a way in which you can prevent a fluctuating budget that would cripple a school system, what sort of deviation between those with kids and those without would you suggest (10%, 50%, 100%, etc.)?

 

I would use past history and base the calculations on the lowest enrollment years. This way the calculations are based on "worst case" scenario. Then when the enrollments are higher than these conservative numbers, the extra funds should be put into an escrow that cannot be touched unless it is needed for future low enrollments.

 

How's that?

[Ilov80s 0]

A few comments here:

 

- the pop will be replaced by sports drinks, juices, and flavored water

 

- Why wouldn't you want to put money into the school district you live in? You want the children in your neighborhood to receive an even worse education? I would like the children in my city to receive the best education possible so they are less likely to become criminals, more likely to be employed, more likely to go to college, and more likely to start businesses and help the community in the future. Its foresight and funding the frontend.

[redtodd 7]

A few comments here:

 

- the pop will be replaced by sports drinks, juices, and flavored water

 

- Why wouldn't you want to put money into the school district you live in? You want the children in your neighborhood to receive an even worse education? I would like the children in my city to receive the best education possible so they are less likely to become criminals, more likely to be employed, more likely to go to college, and more likely to start businesses and help the community in the future. Its foresight and funding the frontend.

 

I wouldn't want less money going to the schools. It would be the same total amount.

[Ilov80s 0]

A lot of cash gets spent on DARE and other 'peeing into the wind' programs.

 

800 million a year on a program that has continuously been proven to be completely ineffective. Mind-boggling. What was the response of DARE's director Glenn Levant to studies that showed its ineffectiveness? "'We're like apple pie' he says 'But I guess you can always find someone who doesn't like apple pie.'"

 

The American education system is 20 years behind research in the field of education, thats the problem. Not funding. Its poorly run schools and poorly trained teachers.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I would use past history and base the calculations on the lowest enrollment years. This way the calculations are based on "worst case" scenario. Then when the enrollments are higher than these conservative numbers, the extra funds should be put into an escrow that cannot be touched unless it is needed for future low enrollments.

 

How's that?

 

What percentage does each group pay?

 

If you have no kids, you pay what?

 

If I have 1 kid, what do I pay? 2 kids?

 

If I send kids to private school, do I get to pay the non-kid rate?

 

What do I do if they rent?

 

What do I do if they don't have the money? Do I prevent the kids from going to school or do I factor that into the "conservative" estimates? If so, how conservative do I have to get?

 

Do I really want a school district holding my money and how do we determine enrollment numbers? I think that you have a complicated scenario that makes small town government BIG.