It would appear as if humans aren't solely repsonsible for

[davebg 0]

A storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event, astronomers get to watch it closely.

 

Jupiter is growing a new red spot and the Hubble Space Telescope is photographing the scene. Backyard astronomers have been following the action, too.

 

"Red Spot Jr." as it is being called, formed after three white oval-shaped storms—two of which were at least 90 years old—merged between 1998 and 2000.

 

A similar merger took place centuries ago and formed the bigger and legendary Great Red Spot, a storm twice as big as Earth and almost 300 years old.

 

Close inspections of Red Spot Jr., in Hubble images released today, reveal that similar to the Great Red Spot, the more recently developed storm rises above the top of the main cloud deck on Jupiter.

 

Little is known about how storms form on the giant planet. They are often described as behaving similar to hurricanes on Earth. Some astronomers believe that the spots dredge up material deep below Jupiter's clouds and lift it to where the Sun's ultraviolet light chemically alters it to give it a red hue.

 

The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

 

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html

Clearly man is not responsible for this apparent climate change on Jupiter. So, is it really that far of a reach to infer that some of the climate change we are currently undergoing here on Earth is also possibly a naturally occurring phenomenon?

[RLLD 4,207]

I blame Bush....

[torridjoe 48]

Clearly man is not responsible for this apparent climate change on Jupiter. So, is it really that far of a reach to infer that some of the climate change we are currently undergoing here on Earth is also possibly a naturally occurring phenomenon?

 

Yes. So?

[hoytdwow 202]

(for stupidity)

[RLLD 4,207]

But how can we blame the Republicans?

[davebg 0]

(for stupidity)

Sorry...I wouldn't want to interrupt anyone's Bush-bashing w/a pesky little thing like science.

[RLLD 4,207]

Sorry...I wouldn't want to interrupt anyone's Bush-bashing w/a pesky little thing like science.

 

Apology accepted.

 

Now, damn you for ruining Jupiter BUSH!!!!!!

[phillybear 366]

I blame Carl Sagan. And Dr. Who.

[RLLD 4,207]

I blame Carl Sagan. And Dr. Who.

 

Were they republicans

[brinett9 0]

Hey, a star just exploded, so lay off about my SUV.

[Franknbeans 46]

I blame the Who and Dr. Seuss

[phillybear 366]

I blame Carl Sagan. And Dr. Who.

Were they republicans

 

Since they appeared regularly on Public Television network, I would have to guess they were probably liberals.

 

Oscar the Grouch is a communist.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

I don't think anyone would argue that humans are "solely" responsible for climate change.

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

Sorry...I wouldn't want to interrupt anyone's Bush-bashing w/a pesky little thing like science.

I thought it was well known that the Bush cabal only use science when it's to their advantage.

[Isotopes 1]

I do not know what is causing the climate change on earth but just because a climate change can occur naturally does not mean that humans cannot create one or speed one up by their actions.

[RLLD 4,207]

Hey, a star just exploded, so lay off about my SUV.

 

If Americans increased their MPG by just 1 per vehicle, we could eliminate all reliance on oil from Iraq and Iran. If we did it by 7MPG pervehicle we could eliminate all need for foreign oil.

[brinett9 0]

If Americans increased their MPG by just 1 per vehicle, we could eliminate all reliance on oil from Iraq and Iran. If we did it by 7MPG pervehicle we could eliminate all need for foreign oil.

Sure, but ride an electric scooter and what do people call you, A Great American?

[Franknbeans 46]

If Americans increased their MPG by just 1 per vehicle, we could eliminate all reliance on oil from Iraq and Iran. If we did it by 7MPG pervehicle we could eliminate all need for foreign oil.

Kinda makes you wonder why this isn't being legislated when the technology exists

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

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I blame Carl Sagan. And Dr. Who.

 

 

Were they republicans

Were they republicans

Since they appeared regularly on Public Television network, I would have to guess they were probably liberals.

 

Oscar the Grouch is a communist.

:reported:

[RLLD 4,207]

Kinda makes you wonder why this isn't being legislated when the technology exists

 

Indeed.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Yes. So?

 

So, if we are not causing the warming how the fock are we gonna keep it from happening by bashing people who drive SUVs?

[Bigtraine 30]

So, if we are not causing the warming how the fock are we gonna keep it from happening by bashing people who drive SUVs?

 

No, no, no. The question was if it was possible that the climate change was occurring naturally - which is possible. But isn't it just as possible, and perhaps even significantly more likely, that human behavior is contributing to climate change?

[davebg 0]

No, no, no. The question was if it was possible that the climate change was occurring naturally - which is possible. But isn't it just as possible, and perhaps even significantly more likely, that human behavior is contributing to climate change?

Oh, I don't dispute that humans are partially responsible...clearly we are...science tells me so.

 

However, when was the last time you heard any environut place some of the blame on Mother Nature alongside GWB?

[Korben Dallas 0]

Sorry...I wouldn't want to interrupt anyone's Bush-bashing w/a pesky little thing like science.

 

 

I interupt this horrible strawman created by Dave to announce that humans are also not the only species on the planet. Take that environmentalists!

 

(makes as much sense as Dave's dumbazz position.)

[parrot 789]

Oh, I don't dispute that humans are partially responsible...clearly we are...science tells me so.

 

However, when was the last time you heard any environut give place some of the blame on Mother Nature alongside GWB?

We can't control Mothe Nature, we can control our own actions that at the very least seem to be exacerbating the situation.

[Bigtraine 30]

It would be foolish to completely rule out either Mother Nature or Human Effect on climate change. But, most evidence seems to point in the direction that humans have some effect on climate change. And since we have a good idea that climate change would be bad for us, and we can't do anything about Mother Nature, maybe we should work on trying to address the human aspect since it is something we could potentially do something about.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It would be foolish to completely rule out either Mother Nature or Human Effect on climate change. But, most evidence seems to point in the direction that humans have some effect on climate change. And since we have a good idea that climate change would be bad for us, and we can't do anything about Mother Nature, maybe we should work on trying to address the human aspect since it is something we could potentially do something about.

 

Great. Get China to stop their plans to build 500 coal burning power plants and then get back to me about the vehicle I drive.

[Giants Fan 85]

People often overlook the fact that most of the world is covered by ocean. For instance did you know the largest exchange of CO2 into oxygen is caused by .... seaweed? Not the rain forest, not the giant redwoods, not even close. And did you know that the most numerous animal on the planet is .... the nematode? There's something like a million nematodes in one cubic meter of ocean floor. And were you aware that the greatest contributor of greenhouse gases is .... underwater volcanic activity?

 

It's absolutely clear that humans are only a fraction of a percentage of the global problem ... but does that also mean that it's not something we should address?

[parrot 789]

Great. Get China to stop their plans to build 500 coal burning power plants and then get back to me about the vehicle I drive.

Gotta love your shifting position on this RP;

 

"It's not happening."

 

"It is happening, but it's not caused by man."

 

"It's caused by man, but it's China's fault."

 

Where you going to go next?

[Bigtraine 30]

Gotta love your shifting position on this RP;

 

"It's not happening."

 

"It is happening, but it's not caused by man."

 

"It's caused by man, but it's China's fault."

 

Where you going to go next?

 

Exactly my thoughts...

[davebg 0]

Get China to stop their plans to build 500 coal burning power plants

I was in a restaurant the other day and overheard some guy discusisng a business opportunity w/someone else.

 

Apparently, this company that he is involved with has developed a way to convert all of the ash byproduct from buring coal into cement...cement that is better than the cement normally available for construction.

 

The biggeest risk to the operation, though, was that the technology was virtually useless in the US, as we don't burn coal for energy all that much any more, but in China there are literally thousands of these types of power plants.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Gotta love your shifting position on this RP;

 

"It's not happening."

 

"It is happening, but it's not caused by man."

 

"It's caused by man, but it's China's fault."

 

Where you going to go next?

 

I have had one position since the beginning: Any warming going on is a part of the natural warming and cooling trends the Earth has gone through for millions of years. Man isn't the cause, and man can't change the inevitable.

 

My point about China is this: Most of the Eco-Nuts are just out to destroy our free economy, they complain about anything and everything we do but don't say squat about China, India, Russia, or any other country because clean air isn't their goal.

 

HTH

[parrot 789]

The biggeest risk to the operation, though, was that the technology was virtually useless in the US, as we don't burn coal for energy all that much any more, but in China there are literally thousands of these types of power plants.

Actually, coal provides about a quarter of our total energy consumption and we consume more coal now than we ever have.

[Bigtraine 30]

My point about China is this: Most of the Eco-Nuts are just out to destroy our free economy, they complain about anything and everything we do but don't say squat about China, India, Russia, or any other country because clean air isn't their goal.

 

What is their goal? To destroy free economy? All these people are sitting around thinking, "boy, how can we screw up free economy? I know - lets make up stuff about climate change. Yay!!"

 

If you seriously belief that, I don't see how there would be any way to argue you out of that position, as you would clearly be immune to logic and reason.

[davebg 0]

Actually, coal provides about a quarter of our total energy consumption and we consume more coal now than we ever have.

Just repeating what I overheard.

 

Maybe he was referring to how it is not a large neough piece of the market or that the market in the US is shrinking so quickly as to not make it a worthwhile investment in the US.

[parrot 789]

Just repeating what I overheard.

 

Maybe he was referring to how it is not a large neough piece of the market or that the market in the US is shrinking so quickly as to not make it a worthwhile investment in the US.

Fair enough. Just wanted to clear up any misconception. Coal is still a pretty important piece of our energy puzzle.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

This isn't nearly as significant as the red spot on Uranus.

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

This isn't nearly as significant as the red spot on Uranus.

poor poor Q.Lazzarus

[torridjoe 48]

So, if we are not causing the warming how the fock are we gonna keep it from happening by bashing people who drive SUVs?

 

where in the world do you get the false conjecture that we're not causing the warming?