Illegal Immigration - This chased torridjoe!

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Thanks for bringing up one of my greatest victory threads again. I won this thread

[Ravens 03 0]

Thanks for bringing up one of my greatest victory threads again. I won this thread

 

I gave the to torridmuhhamad!

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bumperooski!

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bumperooski!

 

I've been noting, as I research our next President, that some of the candidates have the mistaken impression that being here illegally is a crime. I hope TorridMuhammad sets them straight before they do something stupid to all of our legal "undocumented" friends.

[Me_2006 14]

I'd never seen someone get raped before this thread. Though I guess technically, rapist is just a status, not a crime.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I've never seen this thread before, but I don't really understand what the big deal is. This torridjoe fellow first said that being an illegal immigrant is not a crime, which is wrong, of course, but then he said that even though it is actually a crime, it essentially isn't a crime because people are not criminally charged for it. He's right about that. Why the fock would you want to lock illegals up in American jails, where they drain American resources?

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I've never seen this thread before, but I don't really understand what the big deal is. This torridjoe fellow first said that being an illegal immigrant is not a crime, which is wrong, of course, but then he said that even though it is actually a crime, it essentially isn't a crime because people are not criminally charged for it. He's right about that. Why the fock would you want to lock illegals up in American jails, where they drain American resources?

 

 

Good luck defending torridmuhamed on this one.

[Me_2006 14]

I've never seen this thread before, but I don't really understand what the big deal is. This torridjoe fellow first said that being an illegal immigrant is not a crime, which is wrong, of course, but then he said that even though it is actually a crime, it essentially isn't a crime because people are not criminally charged for it. He's right about that. Why the fock would you want to lock illegals up in American jails, where they drain American resources?

...are you serious?

[RLLD 4,275]

Good luck defending torridmuhamed on this one.

 

Long time no see there feller....

 

Look at you bumping up this old tart....

 

Sometimes, I miss Torrid I really truly do.....isn't that sick?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

...are you serious?

 

Yes. When illegals are caught, they are almost always deported rather than imprisoned. What the hell is the point of imprisoning an illegal immigrant?

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Yes. When illegals are caught, they are almost always deported rather than imprisoned. What the hell is the point of imprisoning an illegal immigrant?

 

Yup, shooting them would reduce the recidivism rate

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Long time no see there feller....

 

Look at you bumping up this old tart....

 

Sometimes, I miss Torrid I really truly do.....isn't that sick?

 

I didn't bump it.

 

Check your e-mail in a few days I have 2 things to show you.

 

Maybe we have a beer some weekend......

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Yup, shooting them would reduce the recidivism rate

 

Shooting them? You want to shoot people because they come to this country to avoid a desperate situation in their homeland? I bet if you lived in some sh!thole of a country you would do whatever you could to change your circumstances, even if that meant crossing a border illegally.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Shooting them? You want to shoot people because they come to this country to avoid a desperate situation in their homeland? I bet if you lived in some sh!thole of a country you would do whatever you could to change your circumstances, even if that meant crossing a border illegally.

 

However, isn't it possible that they have a sh!thole of a country because of people like that? If so, then shooting them might be addressing part of the problem on both sides of the border. Sort of a win-win.

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Shooting them? You want to shoot people because they come to this country to avoid a desperate situation in their homeland? I bet if you lived in some sh!thole of a country you would do whatever you could to change your circumstances, even if that meant crossing a border illegally.

 

The solution to living in a crappy country is fixing the one you're in, not coming to MY country and making it as crappy as the one you left.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

However, isn't it possible that they have a sh!thole of a country because of people like that? If so, then shooting them might be addressing part of the problem on both sides of the border. Sort of a win-win.

 

What do you mean "people like that"? People who want to improve themselves, but are trapped in a country where that is not possible? Those are supposedly the exact same people that built this friggin' country. I'm not saying that we should allow anyone and everyone into this country, but to pretend that there is something morally wrong in a person crossing a border to improve their own situation is just plain stupid.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The solution to living in a crappy country is fixing the one you're in, not coming to MY country and making it as crappy as the one you left.

 

*Your* country? Did you built it? NO! But your ancestors probably had a part, and do you know what they were? FOCKING IMMIGRANTS!

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

What do you mean "people like that"? People who want to improve themselves, but are trapped in a country where that is not possible? Those are supposedly the exact same people that built this friggin' country. I'm not saying that we should allow anyone and everyone into this country, but to pretend that there is something morally wrong in a person crossing a border to improve their own situation is just plain stupid.

 

You know that was a joke, right?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You know that was a joke, right?

 

I thought it was, but you never can tell on this bored. There are a lot of focking morons that honestly believe they are somehow better than other people just because they had the good luck to be born in a more developed country.

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*Your* country? Did you built it? NO! But your ancestors probably had a part, and do you know what they were? FOCKING IMMIGRANTS!

 

I have no problem with LEGAL immigration.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I have no problem with LEGAL immigration.

 

So your problem, then, is that they are breaking the law by coming here, right?

 

Is there a situation when you would ever break the law? Let's say, for example, that someone you love was the victim of a heinous crime, only the police, for whatever reason, weren't going to do anything about it. Is there even a possibility that you would take matters into your own hands? Because you would be breaking the law by doing so. So sometimes there can be a lot of moral ambiguity in breaking the law.

 

My point here is basically two-fold:

 

1. Illegal immigration is mostly a victimless crime. You can argue all you want that "they" are taking your jobs away or whatever, but there is no immediate harm from somebody crossing the border without the proper papers.

 

2. Illegal immigration is generally a morally blameless crime. Can you honestly say that someone is a bad person because, in their desperation to flee awful conditions in their home country, they decided to cross a border without going through the incredibly long and probably fruitless process of obtaining legal immigration?

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So your problem, then, is that they are breaking the law by coming here, right?

 

Is there a situation when you would ever break the law? Let's say, for example, that someone you love was the victim of a heinous crime, only the police, for whatever reason, weren't going to do anything about it. Is there even a possibility that you would take matters into your own hands? Because you would be breaking the law by doing so. So sometimes there can be a lot of moral ambiguity in breaking the law.

 

My point here is basically two-fold:

 

1. Illegal immigration is mostly a victimless crime. You can argue all you want that "they" are taking your jobs away or whatever, but there is no immediate harm from somebody crossing the border without the proper papers.

 

2. Illegal immigration is generally a morally blameless crime. Can you honestly say that someone is a bad person because, in their desperation to flee awful conditions in their home country, they decided to cross a border without going through the incredibly long and probably fruitless process of obtaining legal immigration?

 

Dude, you're a couple of years too late for this discussion. I'm not gonna start over.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Dude, you're a couple of years too late for this discussion. I'm not gonna start over.

 

Would you prefer that I start a new thread? Because its all the same to me.

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Dude, you're a couple of years too late for this discussion. I'm not gonna start over.

Quite right, given you were wrong then and you're wrong now.

 

I don't believe you people!!!!

[BMoney 0]

I thought he was chased after his endless defense of Jeff Weaver and how every hit he gave up was luck

[Ravens 03 0]

Thanks for bringing up one of my greatest victory threads again. I won this thread

 

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Being here illegally isn't a crime.

 

 

The infamous post #19.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blue 06 196]

CLassic!

[GettnHuge 2]

I didn't say they weren't here illegally.

 

Whether it was 4 years ago or today, I still had to read this line a couple times out loud.

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torridjoe=MedStudent?

[NorthernVike 2,096]

torridjoe=MedStudent?

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torridjoe=MedStudent?

 

I don't know torrid. He came on here a few months back but it was brief. I read the infamous post (but i did not read the whole thread) and disagree with his assessment that it was not a crime. They are breaking the law.

 

But I suspect that Torrid and my views on immigration are similar.

 

 

These are some words that resonated through me and kind of spelled out the way I have always thought about the illegals:

 

When large numbers of otherwise decent people routinely violate a law, the law itself is probably the problem. To argue that illegal immigration is bad merely because it is illegal avoids the threshold question of whether we should prohibit this kind of immigration in the first place.

 

The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

 

Immigration is not the only area of American life where a misguided law has collided with reality. In the 1920s and '30s, Prohibition turned millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans into lawbreakers and spawned an underworld of moon-shining, boot-legging and related criminal activity. (Sound familiar?) We eventually made the right choice to tax and regulate alcohol rather than prohibit it.

 

In the 19th century, America's frontier was settled largely by illegal squatters. In his influential book on property rights, The Mystery of Capital, economist Hernando de Soto describes how these so-called extralegals began to farm, mine and otherwise improve land to which they did not have strict legal title. After failed attempts by the authorities to destroy their cabins and evict them, federal and state officials finally recognized reality, changed the laws, declared amnesty and issued legal documents conferring title to the land the settlers had improved.

 

As Mr. de Soto wisely concluded: "The law must be compatible with how people actually arrange their lives." That must be a guiding principle when Congress returns to the important task of fixing our immigration laws.

 

-From the libertarian party's website

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So NAMBLA is a good organization then? They are just a bunch of people arranging their lives and it's the law that is interfering.

[Voltaire 5,491]

Joe was our one true uber-liberal. They man checked every box of the stereotype. And he had the stamina to make a bazillion or so posts.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I can't believe I wasted that much time in this thread.

 

torrid was even more pigheaded than RP. At least RP gives up after a while. torrid just tweaked his argument a little, bobbed, weaved and continued on.

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I can't believe I wasted that much time in this thread.

 

torrid was even more pigheaded than RP. At least RP gives up after a while. torrid just tweaked his argument a little, bobbed, weaved and continued on.

 

He is good, very good....the man should run for office with his skills......

[Birdseed 1]

I'm glad I started this thread so nobody can delete it but me.

 

[Cruzer 1,996]

I thought he was chased after his endless defense of Jeff Weaver and how every hit he gave up was luck

I always enjoyed it when he would argue to the death about his position that there was no such thing as protection hitting in the line up. That and the (in his opinion) false theory of a player being a clutch hitter........ Personally, I don't think he was ever the same or recovered from Kerry losing to Bush. Member how he went on and on, and on and on, and on and on, about how certain W would lose based on all of his poll data. The dude was truly devestated.

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