FIFA Shames the NFL

[FlaHawker 24]

It's a sad day for the NFL when FIFA has the guts to do what the NFL should have done and cut incompetent referees. Instead, the NFL sends out fools like Mike Periera (sp) who tries to tell an educated country of football fans to believe him when tells us the Super Bowl was a competently refereed game when in fact our eyes told us a much different story. Read it and weep NFL fans.

 

FIFA gives two refs 'red cards' for officiating gaffes

 

BERLIN (AP) -- Senior English and Russian referees were cut from the World Cup roster Wednesday after their controversial handling of previous matches.

 

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...819&cc=5901

[t.j 35]

Take it to the Geek Bored.

[murf74 461]

Does anyone know a good therapist for FlaHawker?

 

I used to think this was all an act, but after 6 months he keeps getting worse. Now he is talking about, what I assume is soccer????

[VaTerp 0]

This is getting SO TIRED. You are becoming a real

 

Fla Hawker, it is obvious that you are a SEA fan who does not agree w/ all of the calls that occured during the Super Bowl.

 

Some of the call were questionable, bit LET IT GO. SEA still had opportunities to make plays and didnt get it done.

 

I have been officiating various sports for over 5 five years so I have a lil bit of a different perspective but your whining is really getting old.

 

Your team lost the game. Its over with. Focus on the upcoming season.

[LunaTick 30]

Take it to the Geek Bored.

 

 

Oh was that a RED CARD?

 

Seatle Fans

 

Note from Viking Fans

 

You think you are the only one to have been on the bad side of a bad call?

You think this is something new?

 

Heck, it has been part of the game for at least as long as there has been an NFL.

 

1998, Atlanta benefitted from a "let them play" officiated game, is one example.

 

But is part of the game, the human element. Without it, football would be so dry and boring. It would complete the No Fun League label.

 

Every teams has to go into each contest knowing that they may be on the bad end of a poor calls.

They simply have to out play them.

[FlaHawker 24]

Does anyone know a good therapist for FlaHawker?

 

I used to think this was all an act, but after 6 months he keeps getting worse. Now he is talking about, what I assume is soccer????

 

 

I guess you should educate yourself on something other than what Ben Roethlisberger eats for dinner. Yes, FIFA is soccer related.

 

Let me spell out the point for you. First, you are actually part of an experiment that I am conducting. The thesis is that if anyone states or infers the Steelers super bowl win was not legitimate due to incompetent officials, Steeler fans come running out of the woodwork like fire ants attacking andro dropped on their ant hole because deep down they know the super bowl was tainted. If it was not tainted, there would be no need to respond. Period. You would simply read, what you all consider to be ramblings, chuckle to yourselves, and move on, safe and secure with your super bowl victory. However, you all feel the desire to respond. It is truly fascinating

 

The second point was to show how incompetent refs should be dealt with in professionall sports. The NFL could learn a valuable lesson here.

 

This is getting SO TIRED. You are becoming a real

 

Fla Hawker, it is obvious that you are a SEA fan who does not agree w/ all of the calls that occured during the Super Bowl.

 

Some of the call were questionable, bit LET IT GO. SEA still had opportunities to make plays and didnt get it done.

 

I have been officiating various sports for over 5 five years so I have a lil bit of a different perspective but your whining is really getting old.

 

Your team lost the game. Its over with. Focus on the upcoming season.

 

 

First, you did not have to respond if it bothers you so much. Second, please share your "different" perspective on officiating. What does that exaclty mean?

 

Oh was that a RED CARD?

 

Seatle Fans

 

Note from Viking Fans

 

You think you are the only one to have been on the bad side of a bad call?

You think this is something new?

 

Heck, it has been part of the game for at least as long as there has been an NFL.

 

1998, Atlanta benefitted from a "let them play" officiated game, is one example.

 

But is part of the game, the human element. Without it, football would be so dry and boring. It would complete the No Fun League label.

 

Every teams has to go into each contest knowing that they may be on the bad end of a poor calls.

They simply have to out play them.

 

You make some valid points. However, one bad call is one thing, a game full of bad calls, non calls, bordeline calls, that all favor one team is pure buffoonery. The NFL morphed into the WWF.

[VaTerp 0]

Your first point is stupid b/c I am not a Pitt fan and stil think you are full of

 

Your second point is equally stupid b/c World Cup officiating has been MUCH worse than anything I have seen in the NFL.

[FlaHawker 24]

Your first point is stupid b/c I am not a Pitt fan and stil think you are full of

 

Your second point is equally stupid b/c World Cup officiating has been MUCH worse than anything I have seen in the NFL.

 

 

The first point was addressed to Murf who is a Steeler fan. Secondly, if you think the World Cup officiating was worse than the Super Bowl, you must have missed the game. Third, you did not addrsss your different perspective on officiating. Please stay on task.

[VaTerp 0]

I had no need to address the diff. perspective on officiating, just stating that, as an official, I have a diff. perspective than the avg. fan.

 

Dont care who you were adressing your comments to, you still come across as a whining beeooootch.

[murf74 461]

I guess you should educate yourself on something other than what Ben Roethlisberger eats for dinner. Yes, FIFA is soccer related.

 

Let me spell out the point for you. First, you are actually part of an experiment that I am conducting. The thesis is that if anyone states or infers the Steelers super bowl win was not legitimate due to incompetent officials, Steeler fans come running out of the woodwork like fire ants attacking andro dropped on their ant hole because deep down they know the super bowl was tainted. If it was not tainted, there would be no need to respond. Period. You would simply read, what you all consider to be ramblings, chuckle to yourselves, and move on, safe and secure with your super bowl victory. However, you all feel the desire to respond. It is truly fascinating

 

The second point was to show how incompetent refs should be dealt with in professionall sports. The NFL could learn a valuable lesson here.

First, you did not have to respond if it bothers you so much. Second, please share your "different" perspective on officiating. What does that exaclty mean?

 

 

Your act is old and tired and you are coming off as a crybaby to everyone on this board (not just Steeler fans), and if you haven't noticed, no Steeler fans debate your countless Bill Leavy posts (see link and these are not the total amount of your crybabyness).

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...;highlite=Leavy

 

You are the only guy on this board that brings up specifics about the Superbowl and you don't get any detailed responses from anyone because the game was 6 months ago and nobody is going to say anything new about it now, especially you.

 

Your experiment has failed, move on.

[FlaHawker 24]

I had no need to adress the diff. perspective on officiating, just stating that, as an official, I have a diff. perspective than the avg. fan.

 

Dont care who you were adressing your comments to, you still come across as a whining beeooootch.

 

Let me try this again. Please explain your different perspective that the avg fan doesn't have. Or are you simply stating that you are ref to add some type of credibility to your comments. What is considered holding in pee wee football?

[VaTerp 0]

Let me try this again. Please explain your different perspective that the avg fan doesn't have. Or are you simply stating that you are ref to add some type of credibility to your comments. What is considered holding in pee wee football?

 

Dont ref pee wee football so ask somebaody else those pointless questions. My diff. perspective as a ref is that I dont think officials decide ball games.

 

There are always questionable calls in every game but IMO the refs missed no more calls in the SB than J. Stevens dropped passes. If you would like to debate call for call then fine go ahead, we can do that. But nothing will change the fact that your team LOST the game.

 

For you to continually cry over spilled milk makes you come across as a juvenile whining ######. Please stop, I am beginning to feel embarrased for you. Not really that, but you are becoming very annoying.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

I'm not a Steeler fan and I think you are nothing but a HUGE where does that fit in your "study?"

[FlaHawker 24]

Dont ref pee wee football so ask somebaody else those pointless questions. My diff. perspective as a ref is that I dont think officials decide ball games.

 

There are always questionable calls in every game but IMO the refs missed no more calls in the SB than J. Stevens dropped passes. If you would like to debate call for call then fine go ahead, we can do that. But nothing will change the fact that your team LOST the game.

 

For you to continually cry over spilled milk makes you come across as a juvenile whining ######. Please stop, I am beginning to feel embarrased for you. Not really that, but you are becoming very annoying.

 

Of course you don't think refs decide games. That allows you to sleep at night after you have cost some hardworking team a W.

 

If refs don't decide ball games why did FIFA do what it did?

 

As I said before, I am not holding a gun to your head forcing you to post. You are the one calling me names. I have not called you one name but yet I am the juvenile. I am bringing up a relevant topic which the current state of offciating in the NFL, which by the way is horrendous. the super bowl is the prime example.

 

As for your weak attempt to bash Jeremy Stevens, do you realize had Bill Leavy not missed the Sean Locklear hold, he would have made the game's most dramatic play by hauling in Hasslebeck's pass down to the one yard line? You really should have watched the game.

[treat88 0]

Fock, I've been debating this guy in another thread and now he brings up soccer. Focking soccer. Not that there was a shred of cred there but focking mentioning soccer ends it. Soccer. Fock. Focking Locklear oughta go play soccer then he wouldn't have to worry about his hands. Focking soccer.

 

Life-1, Flahawker-Nil.

[adam smitty 0]

I do agree that it's good that the refs have someone that over looks them. In the NFL they have basically free reign, no one does anything if they screw up. Some of the FIFA refs are just pathetic though. Like they say, there's two types of refs: bad refs and worse refs.

[Scothawk 2]

FIFA have not really stood up for anything here - which is not particulary unusual.

 

To sum it up, the Word Cup had a pool of referees for the group stages which involved 32 teams and thus 16 matches per "phase". The tournament is now down to 8 teams, meaning there are only 8 matches left - thus they do not need as many referees so they have to send a number home.

 

To try and take the high ground they have "cut" some of the referees who made the worst mistakes, but in reality they would have been sent home anyway on an arithmetical basis.

 

The brave thing to do would have been to send them home immeditately after their bad matches.

 

The $$$ and political cost of running FIFA is scary and makes mainstream politics look like it is for kids. Gimme the NFL any day of the week.

 

Now if anybody wants to talk about what the referees have to deal with in soccer - diving, kicking, cheating, tmewasting, intimidation - then that is a whole different thread.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

I do agree that it's good that the refs have someone that over looks them. In the NFL they have basically free reign, no one does anything if they screw up.

 

Not true. Every NFL game is reviewed and the Refs are graded. That's how playoff game and SB Refs are determined. By the grades they get throughout the season both individually and as a group.

[adam smitty 0]

Not true. Every NFL game is reviewed and the Refs are graded. That's how playoff game and SB Refs are determined. By the grades they get throughout the season both individually and as a group.

When has the league ever taken action against a referee? That's the point I was trying to make. The superbowl was a perfect example. As was Triplet a few years ago. Some of these guys just should not be out on the field, especially for the money they are making.

[culboarder11 0]

It was pretty obvious the Seahawks outplayed the Steelers in the SB but every big, game changing play Seattle had was called back on a stupid ticky tack call. You also did not see Pittsburg on the other end of any of those types of calls. I agree the refs need to have someone punishing them for being the deciding factor in the biggest game of the year.

[famousb 11]

So if every official who was working the SB was fired, would all the SEA fans stop whining??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. They'd still cry because that's what they do when they realize they won't get back there and that was their best shot for the next 20 years.

[texasmouth 1]

Take it to the Geek Bored.

AMEN.

[FlaHawker 24]

Your act is old and tired and you are coming off as a crybaby to everyone on this board (not just Steeler fans), and if you haven't noticed, no Steeler fans debate your countless Bill Leavy posts (see link and these are not the total amount of your crybabyness).

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...;highlite=Leavy

 

You are the only guy on this board that brings up specifics about the Superbowl and you don't get any detailed responses from anyone because the game was 6 months ago and nobody is going to say anything new about it now, especially you.

 

Your experiment has failed, move on.

 

 

Yet you post again?

 

When has the league ever taken action against a referee? That's the point I was trying to make. The superbowl was a perfect example. As was Triplet a few years ago. Some of these guys just should not be out on the field, especially for the money they are making.

 

 

All you get is Mike Periera stating company line that the Super Bowl was a competently refereed game. I really loved his explanation surrounding Ben Rothlisberger's QB sneak for a TD. First, this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Big ben scored or would have scored. that point is moot. The controversy surrounds a ref who runs in 20 to 30 yards from the sideline with his fist in the air to signal 4th down, then unbelievably changes the call to TD. Mike periera's explanation? He got confused. the NFL basically confirms that its ref in the super bowl was incomptetent and finds it acceptable that a ref not quite grasp the difference between a 4th down signal and a TD signal. Just remember football fans, that incompetent ref will be bringing his confusion to a stadium near you in 2006.

 

It was pretty obvious the Seahawks outplayed the Steelers in the SB but every big, game changing play Seattle had was called back on a stupid ticky tack call. You also did not see Pittsburg on the other end of any of those types of calls. I agree the refs need to have someone punishing them for being the deciding factor in the biggest game of the year.

 

 

Steeler fans were all behind Joey Porter when he accurately lambasted the refs after the INDY game for their incompetence. Its funny though that when the calls go the other way that is forgotten. Joey porter may be a jerk but he knows that the refs are incompetent.

[Parja 0]

First, you are actually part of an experiment that I am conducting. The thesis is that if anyone states or infers the Steelers super bowl win was not legitimate due to incompetent officials, Steeler fans come running out of the woodwork like fire ants attacking andro dropped on their ant hole because deep down they know the super bowl was tainted. If it was not tainted, there would be no need to respond. Period. You would simply read, what you all consider to be ramblings, chuckle to yourselves, and move on, safe and secure with your super bowl victory. However, you all feel the desire to respond.

 

You are a bad scientist.

 

If you were at all cognizant of your actions, you would have determined obvious pre-existing factors that may influence your findings and account for them.

 

You were clearly oblivious to the fact that it is human nature to attempt to eliminate stupidity in order to prevent it from further propogating in the species...a form of natural selection, if you will. Since it is abundantly clear that you are a bountiful source of said stupidity, one can logically deduce that the natural response is for people to try to correct your stupid ways, thus significantly skewing the results of said experiment.

 

I believe the only logical recourse in this matter would be for a plurality of bored members to travel to your domicile and apply percussive force to your cranium in the presence of your spouse and offspring.

[famousb 11]

You are a bad scientist.

 

If you were at all cognizant of your actions, you would have determined obvious pre-existing factors that may influence your findings and account for them.

 

You were clearly oblivious to the fact that it is human nature to attempt to eliminate stupidity in order to prevent it from further propogating in the species...a form of natural selection, if you will. Since it is abundantly clear that you are a bountiful source of said stupidity, one can logically deduce that the natural response is for people to try to correct your stupid ways, thus significantly skewing the results of said experiment.

 

I believe the only logical recourse in this matter would be for a plurality of bored members to travel to your domicile and apply percussive force to your cranium in the presence of your spouse and offspring.

 

you know, i have to say that given your good scientific findings here, you do make two blatant assumptions:

1. That any individual would be willing to wed the moron and become his spouse.

2. That he ever got laid to produce offspring.

 

that is all.

[FlaHawker 24]

Fock, I've been debating this guy in another thread and now he brings up soccer. Focking soccer. Not that there was a shred of cred there but focking mentioning soccer ends it. Soccer. Fock. Focking Locklear oughta go play soccer then he wouldn't have to worry about his hands. Focking soccer.

 

Life-1, Flahawker-Nil.

 

 

yes it is a shame when, as you say, "focking" soccer gets it right and the NFL, well, you saw the super bowl...

 

You are a bad scientist.

 

If you were at all cognizant of your actions, you would have determined obvious pre-existing factors that may influence your findings and account for them.

 

You were clearly oblivious to the fact that it is human nature to attempt to eliminate stupidity in order to prevent it from further propogating in the species...a form of natural selection, if you will. Since it is abundantly clear that you are a bountiful source of said stupidity, one can logically deduce that the natural response is for people to try to correct your stupid ways, thus significantly skewing the results of said experiment.

 

I believe the only logical recourse in this matter would be for a plurality of bored members to travel to your domicile and apply percussive force to your cranium in the presence of your spouse and offspring.

 

 

yet you post..why?

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

It's a sad day for the NFL when FIFA has the guts to do what the NFL should have done and cut incompetent referees. Instead, the NFL sends out fools like Mike Periera (sp) who tries to tell an educated country of football fans to believe him when tells us the Super Bowl was a competently refereed game when in fact our eyes told us a much different story. Read it and weep NFL fans.

 

FIFA gives two refs 'red cards' for officiating gaffes

 

BERLIN (AP) -- Senior English and Russian referees were cut from the World Cup roster Wednesday after their controversial handling of previous matches.

 

 

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...819&cc=5901

 

There was nothing wrong with the officiating in the Super Bowl... cry baby.

[FlaHawker 24]

There was nothing wrong with the officiating in the Super Bowl... cry baby.

 

[football_scooter 0]

Soccer sucks. It's a tip.

 

Now get over the superbowl already - your team lost. Deal with it.

[FlaHawker 24]

Soccer sucks. It's a tip.

 

Now get over the superbowl already - your team lost. Deal with it.

 

That's the best you could do Scooty?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I think they should've been a little easier on these world cup refs...I mean honestly when half the players are rolling around on the field grabbing some part of their body in "pain" and crying, it has to be difficult to decide which one's actualy were fouled...or whatever the hell it's called in soccer. I have never followed soccer but I watched this year, and it is a joke out there. What a bunch of actors. Now with the NFL, there are bad calls in every game and against every team. It's impossible to ref a perfect game. So let it go Seattle fans, let's not get all "Mark Cuban" about this. Pitt won...

[football_scooter 0]

That's the best you could do Scooty?

 

No need to try any harder, really...everyone else had pwnd you before I got here.

 

 

Oh, and as for the officiating in soccer being better than the NFL, the only reason the Italians advanced is because of a totally 100% bogus tripping call - in slow motion, you can clearly see foot hitting ball....if you play the ball, it's a clean play. Yet somehow the end result was a penalty kick on goal, Italy wins 1-0.

 

I'm sure Seahawk fans everywhere wept in sympathy for the loser.

 

And last I checked, Italy is STILL in the finals, despite the blown call that got them there...so if you're trying to say soccer gets it right, I don't see the correlation...looks like the same thing you claim happened to your weak team, who got whooped by the stronger team.

 

And really that's all this comes down to. The only blown call in the superbowl was the one against Hasselbeck - but that play didn't change the outcome of the game. Now stop already - looking at the link provided above to all your rantings, I am starting to think you're just a troll.

 

I think they should've been a little easier on these world cup refs...I mean honestly when half the players are rolling around on the field grabbing some part of their body in "pain" and crying, it has to be difficult to decide which one's actualy were fouled...or whatever the hell it's called in soccer. I have never followed soccer but I watched this year, and it is a joke out there. What a bunch of actors. Now with the NFL, there are bad calls in every game and against every team. It's impossible to ref a perfect game. So let it go Seattle fans, let's not get all "Mark Cuban" about this. Pitt won...

 

Many years ago, they introduced rules which help to govern this sort of thing better.

 

I don't know them verbatim, but it's something like if a player goes down, he gets a certain amount of time...after that amount of time, a stretcher is called for him and he cannot return to play.

 

I agree it's pretty bad out there - players use it as a mini-time out to catch their breath. But it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. A guy would flail around "in pain" for 5 mins, then leave the field...30 seconds later he's fine like nothing happened. That used to really irritate me. It's much better than it used to be.

[FlaHawker 24]

No need to try any harder, really...everyone else had pwnd you before I got here.

Oh, and as for the officiating in soccer being better than the NFL, the only reason the Italians advanced is because of a totally 100% bogus tripping call - in slow motion, you can clearly see foot hitting ball....if you play the ball, it's a clean play. Yet somehow the end result was a penalty kick on goal, Italy wins 1-0.

 

I'm sure Seahawk fans everywhere wept in sympathy for the loser.

 

And last I checked, Italy is STILL in the finals, despite the blown call that got them there...so if you're trying to say soccer gets it right, I don't see the correlation...looks like the same thing you claim happened to your weak team, who got whooped by the stronger team.

 

And really that's all this comes down to. The only blown call in the superbowl was the one against Hasselbeck - but that play didn't change the outcome of the game. Now stop already - looking at the link provided above to all your rantings, I am starting to think you're just a troll.

Many years ago, they introduced rules which help to govern this sort of thing better.

 

I don't know them verbatim, but it's something like if a player goes down, he gets a certain amount of time...after that amount of time, a stretcher is called for him and he cannot return to play.

 

I agree it's pretty bad out there - players use it as a mini-time out to catch their breath. But it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. A guy would flail around "in pain" for 5 mins, then leave the field...30 seconds later he's fine like nothing happened. That used to really irritate me. It's much better than it used to be.

 

As usual, you missed the point. I never said soccer officiating was better than NFL officiating. I said FIFA got it right by dismissing incompetent refs, which the NFL has NOT done, nor will ever do. Thus, the rest of your post about Italy is, well, meaningless. But I find it strange that you know so much about soccer even though you said it "sucks."

[frank 2,345]

NFL refs do get rated. Only those with the highest ratings get to ref the playoffs.

[football_scooter 0]

As usual, you missed the point. I never said soccer officiating was better than NFL officiating. I said FIFA got it right by dismissing incompetent refs, which the NFL has NOT done, nor will ever do. Thus, the rest of your post about Italy is, well, meaningless.

Actually, I said you'd already been owned by others - specifically those who pointed out that refs are graded throughout the season, and only the best make it to the playoffs. And no MATTER how MANY words you CAPITALIZE, it doesn't change the FACT that refs ARE graded. Since that was obvious and made you look like an idiot already for attempting to make a point so easily debunked, I didn't feel the need to rub it in further. But since you decided to troll some more, there ya go.

 

But I find it strange that you know so much about soccer even though you said it "sucks."

 

Living in Europe for 2 years and having played soccer for 8 years as a youth will do that for you. And soccer still sucks.

 

HTH, troll.

[FlaHawker 24]

Actually, I said you'd already been owned by others - specifically those who pointed out that refs are graded throughout the season, and only the best make it to the playoffs. And no MATTER how MANY words you CAPITALIZE, it doesn't change the FACT that refs ARE graded. Since that was obvious and made you look like an idiot already for attempting to make a point so easily debunked, I didn't feel the need to rub it in further. But since you decided to troll some more, there ya go.

Living in Europe for 2 years and having played soccer for 8 years as a youth will do that for you. And soccer still sucks.

 

HTH, troll.

 

 

Who grades the refs?

[Gephardt69 0]

It's a sad day for the NFL when FIFA has the guts to do what the NFL should have done and cut incompetent referees. Instead, the NFL sends out fools like Mike Periera (sp) who tries to tell an educated country of football fans to believe him when tells us the Super Bowl was a competently refereed game when in fact our eyes told us a much different story. Read it and weep NFL fans.

until the seahawks are willing to have a rabid fanbase, a heartwarming "homecoming" story, and a passer who's so badass he's willing to bike without a helmet, they really shouldn't expect any slack from the refs. that's really their fault for not playing to the league!

[FlaHawker 24]

until the seahawks are willing to have a rabid fanbase, a heartwarming "homecoming" story, and a passer who's so badass he's willing to bike without a helmet, they really shouldn't expect any slack from the refs. that's really their fault for not playing to the league!

 

Another post from a government school educated person.

[football_scooter 0]

Who grades the refs?

 

Who cares?

 

The point is that they're graded and based on that grading, certain refs are allowed to officiate the playoffs, and certain refs are not. Which 100% debunks your original point, which was totally bogus.

 

Why not focus on the important aspect here: your utter and complete wrongness?

 

So much more entertaining than you trying desperately to find another tangent to cling to in pathetic avoidance.

 

In the immortal words of soccer broadcasting, Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllll! Goooooooooooooaaaaaaal!!!!!

Goooooooooooooaaaaaaal!!!!!

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FFT-ers 1, FlaHawker 0

 

Sorry, better luck next time.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Seahogs suck!

 

Quit crying....