Lamont Jordan 4th overall in PPR league?

[Bouve 0]

I got the news today that I will be drafting 4th overall (10 teams) in one of my main leagues. 99.9% sure that LJ, Alexander and LT2 will go in the top 3.

 

Obviously having a #1 RB that can catch 65+ balls a season is huge and Portis just doesn't give me that.

 

Tiki is my other option but I have doubts he can repeat last years performance whereas Jordan has yet to hit his peak IMO.

 

Do I take Jordan and be glad I can get a guy who can catch alot of balls? Take Portis and try to trade? Tiki?

 

discuss

[J-Money 4]

holy crap, a bouve sighting

 

If you're really high on jordan, take him. Personally I'd go with portis. That new OC has been known to produce great stats for rbs

[jagermeister 0]

Well, I'm picking 8th in a PPR league, and I think I have a good shot at Lamont; as such, I think you may be overvaluing him. I understand your Portis hesitation, but I still think you gotta go with either Tiki, Portis, or Edge at #4 (roughly in that order). Since PPR are a huge concern, hope for DD or Westbrook in the 2nd round (one may be available at 2.07 in a 10-teamer)...or try to trade down a few spots (to 6th or so) and grab both Lamont and Westbrook.

 

In a PPR league, I think Tiki is the pick at #4.

[NAn 39]

holy crap, a bouve sighting

 

If you're really high on jordan, take him. Personally I'd go with portis. That new OC has been known to produce great stats for rbs

 

1. allow me to also express my shock at a bouve sighting.

 

2. agree with jmoney here bouve. Portis has actually not been that bad in ppr, avg like 35 a season and with Saunders, should move up to 50 range, with potential for more.

 

You know I'm a Raider homer and though I like Jordan, think the pt difference in recs will only be like 15 in favor of Jordan, but Portis will more than make up for that in yds/tds.

[Da Bomb 0]

jordan's not goign to catch 70 again, and portis should go up. portis should be considered, obviously tiki in a PPR has to be considered, and i think id take sjax over jordan too.

 

even if jordan has 20 catches more than all three of those guys (which he wont), thats only an extra 80 yards and 2 TDs, which all of them will make up over him easily.

[Churchill610 0]

I wouldn't take Lamont at #4 either. Portis & Barber have the greater potential. Lamont is in the #6-7-8 range in my book.

[football is life 0]

PPR -- Barber or Westbrook... but Westbrook would be a massive reach at #4... however, he probably won't make it back to you either if in experienced PPR league. Perhaps try to trade down?

[TD Ryan2 316]

Hi Bouve!

 

you're using the difference of 15 (or 20) catches to try and justify taking a RB on a weak team over a RB on one of the better offenses in football.

I just don't see how you take Lamont Jordan over Tiki or Portis... WAS and NYG will provide more scoring opportunities for their feature RB.

 

Also, consider the offensive lines. NYG and WAS are at least in the top half of offensive lines.

OAK will struggle and there are reports that Gallery is injured. Just even more reason to avoid Jordan that early.

 

 

alsoalso! sorry about Ricky's broken arm.

[Zackattack 0]

How is Rickys arm doing Bouve? Are you still in Canada with him?

 

You know Ronnie Brown is a pretty good down here in South florida too. Not that I would take him at 4. Take Portis or Tiki.

[listen2me 23 1,946]

Jordan will not catch 70 balls again for a few reasons....

 

It was a fluke...and only one season...

 

He was never really a pass catcher any other time in his career...

 

He has a different QB....that might change the number of balls he sees....

 

 

I see him gaining a few more Rushing yds and less in the passing game....so it should even out to about what he did last year...

[t.j 35]

No way in hell Jordan will be top 4.

[edjr 6,842]

How is Rickys arm doing Bouve? Are you still in Canada with him?

 

[uubeee 0]

As noted above, lamont has a new Qb which means he could see less passes coming his way. Norv Turner is also gone which means he could see less carries.

 

I wouldn't go for him at #4. If you like him all that much trade down a few spots and get him there.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

If you feel he will catch that many balls again, then go for it. I just don't think he will because those catches were mostly a result of bad football (Kerry Collins' immobility combined with a lot of 3rd and longs and no Moss).

 

This is sort of like the Jackson @ #4 thread. Basically, it's not too much a stretch, but people will try to shoot it down because they don't feel it is a safe bet.

 

FYI - Gallery was placed on the PUP list... while he has had problem in pass protection, he has beena decent run blocker. The situation bears monitoring.

[FantasyKing 4]

Jordan will not catch 70 balls again for a few reasons....

 

It was a fluke...and only one season...

 

He was never really a pass catcher any other time in his career...

 

He has a different QB....that might change the number of balls he sees....

I see him gaining a few more Rushing yds and less in the passing game....so it should even out to about what he did last year...

 

 

I think you're a little off - he just never had his chance to start until last year. It was widely known last year that Lamont was a good receiver (why I drafted him in the first round in my PPR league last year) - it was no surprise that he caught that many balls. He will still catch a lot of balls this year, plus they are saying they want to run more - plus plus in my book for Jordan.

 

Portis is a decent receiver as well, but he's never gotten over 40 receptions and usually has pretty low yards per reception - I had him last year in my PPR league as well (he was my 1 keeper) and he was a huge disappointment - everyone is high on him again this year, I'm not as much. The offense is not geared toward a pass catching RB, they have Cooley, Moss, Randle El and even Betts for some passing plays.

 

All that said - you can't pass up on Barber at #4 as others have said and if you do, then I'd go with Edgerrin James. Shipp/Arrington had 60 receptions combined last year in Zona.

[wizbang 10]

If you believe in the value of Crank scores then Lamont Jordan is a perfectly reasonable pick at #4 in PPR leagues. He was third overall in 2005 (ahead of Tomlinson) with a terrible OL, pretty bad QB and injured Moss. Maybe his receptions go down but also maybe his carries go up and TDs as well. They're not exactly going to forget about him in the passing game either. Bottom line is that it's reasonable to select Lamont Jordan ahead of Portis and Barber in PPR leagues.

 

Personally, I rank Edge and Steven Jackson significantly lower in PPR leagues. Corey Dillon had a better Crank than Jackson last season. LaMont beat Edge and I see almost NO way Edge's number don't drop. IMO they're not in the same tier as Jordan, Portis and Barber.

 

I would probably take Barber, Portis, Jordan in that order because, while I like the Crank score, at the end of the day I want a guy who can earn me a win on any given week. I think Barber and Portis provide that potential without a significant decrease in consistency (as measured by Crank). I think taking Barber is the smart thing to do. Portis versus Jordan is close enough to a push that you just have to go with your gut. I bump up Portis because of the Al Saunders hire. That gives me a double shot of greedy eyes.

 

Remember all... this is PPR. BIG difference.

[OrangeSoda 2]

Lamont, did have a good yr with recs, his TD totals were a bit low for my liking... I feel portis is the right choice there at 4, I think he will be used more by al suanders in the passing game. The other thing to take into consideration is the Aaron brroks factor, instead of dumping of to a RB on 3rd and 5 he'll try to get it down field, or run himself, therefore lessing his catches this year.

 

The other option here that a lot people will disagree with would be Ronnie Brown. I thnk he has a good situation, and the offense no longer looks for the "big play down field" wiht Scott Linnehann gone.

 

Just a thought on a different perspective.

[pee-diddy 27]

At #4, Portis is the guy to take there with no questions marks. Washington's FF Playoff schedule is nice, too.

[t.j 35]

Lamont, did have a good yr with recs, his TD totals were a bit low for my liking... I feel portis is the right choice there at 4, I think he will be used more by al suanders in the passing game. The other thing to take into consideration is the Aaron brroks factor, instead of dumping of to a RB on 3rd and 5 he'll try to get it down field, or run himself, therefore lessing his catches this year.

 

The other option here that a lot people will disagree with would be Ronnie Brown. I thnk he has a good situation, and the offense no longer looks for the "big play down field" wiht Scott Linnehann gone.

 

Just a thought on a different perspective.

 

I like Brown or Portis at #4.

[ajmplaya69 0]

At #4, Portis is the guy to take there with no questions marks. Washington's FF Playoff schedule is nice, too.

 

Lamonts playoff sched is nice also (st louie and kc at home)

Art Shell always runs the ball more

Lamont has only room to improve this year, especially in rushing yardage and TDs.

 

Portis has question marks such as:

-Cooley taking red zone looks

-New Offensive Coordinator (good sure but had a hell of an Oline in KC)

-Add WR weapons taking looks/opportunities

-Immensely improved Division

 

All in all, in a PPR league you gotta go with

A)Tiki

B)Edge

C)Lamont

[t.j 35]

Lamonts playoff sched is nice also (st louie and kc at home)

Art Shell always runs the ball more

Lamont has only room to improve this year, especially in rushing yardage and TDs.

 

Portis has question marks such as:

-Cooley taking red zone looks

-New Offensive Coordinator (good sure but had a hell of an Oline in KC)

-Add WR weapons taking looks/opportunities

-Immensely improved Division

 

Gotta disagree with your comparison of Jordan and Portis:

-Shell did run a lot when they were winning games, and especially when they had Bo and Marcus. But in '92 and '94 when they struggled more (7-9 and 9-7, respectively), Shell's Raiders threw more than they passed.

-Only time will tell if the FF playoffs are kind to Jordan owners. The last few years the Raiders have been absolutely terrible in December.

-You're wrong that Jordan only has room to improve, especially when it comes to rushing TDs.

-Cooley's not as big of a red zone threat as a healthy Randy Moss

-The Raiders have a new offensive coordinator too, a guy who hasn't coached in the league since '94. So I don't see how you could hold the fact that Saunders came over from KC against Portis

-the new WRs could help Portis if the Skins can move the ball more consistently, especially in terms of TDs

-again, talking about strength of schedule, we'll see how it plays out. There are only 6 division games. Oakland has to play 2 of theirs against the top rushing defense (San Diego)

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Raiders: Jordan pleased with new offense

07/28/06 11:56 AM

THE NEWS

Running back LaMont Jordan wasn't shy about his disappointment late last season, but he's turned the page in the new Art Shell regime. "This offense is definitely geared more toward my running style," Jordan told the Contra Costa Times. "Last year we did a lot more running sideways, which I didn't like nor did the linemen like. This year you can tell Coach Shell's mentality is downhill power football. I still don't think I've proven myself as a starting running back in the NFL yet. Sure, I caught 70 passes and did what I did last year, but I think this organization expects more out of me, and I definitely expect more out of myself."

Our View

Jordan was able to keep his fantasy value afloat with those receiving contributions, but there is definite upside for him in the ground game. At the very least, complacency doesn't seem to be an issue for LaMont in his second season as the Raiders feature back.

 

 

Bodes well certainly for those high on Jordan.

[DanXIII 8]

In PPR leagues I have Tiki rated at 4, followed by Jordan at 5 and Portis at 6. I don't get the Portis man-love. It seems like we hear it every single year, only to be disappointed by Portis every single year.

[FantasyKing 4]

In PPR leagues I have Tiki rated at 4, followed by Jordan at 5 and Portis at 6. I don't get the Portis man-love. It seems like we hear it every single year, only to be disappointed by Portis every single year.

 

 

In a PPR league, unless Portis gets you 120 yards and TDs rushing - you are simply getting nothing.

[t.j 35]

Bodes well certainly for those high on Jordan.

 

Agreed, I liked what Jordan had to say. He's a pretty well-spoken guy and he seems to understand what he needs to do, and it sounds promising that the team can call run plays better suited to his style this year.

[Cuse9 131]

I still think Portis is the clear cut #4. He's in a better offense which will lead to more scores...he will almost certainly run for alot more yards. With Saunders he should up his reception total....and if memory serves me correct, didn't Portis throw two TD's last year? I think he did.

 

I don't remember Shell's coaching tendancies? Did he throw to the backs alot? Jordan should have a decent year....especially with Moss, Porter, Curry, Garbriel making defenses respect the pass game, but I don't think his reception total will even out to what Portis will do on the ground....not including what Portis will get through the air.