NewbieJr 541 Posted September 26, 2006 week 3Bush 13-53yds 4-19yds handed off on double reverse for TD I missed that when i read it earlier. Why would you even bother to list that? Are we implying that Moroney or Deangelo Williams or Lendale White couldn't have exucuted such a marvelous handoff? Or maybe if it had been McAllister, the Falcons would have nbever pursued him on the end around, therefore, the reverse wouldn't have worked. Man, the Bush-lovers are sure pulling out all the stops in trying to maintain that the guy is something special. As of now, he's a poor-man's Brian Westbrook. A VERY poor-man's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Larry 0 Posted September 26, 2006 Reggie Bush! still on my FF bench..but i've got a feeling he'll see more action soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted September 26, 2006 Reggie Bush! still on my FF bench..but i've got a feeling he'll see more action soon. How many points would the reverse-handoff gotten you under your league's scoring system? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,092 Posted September 26, 2006 This is kind of a dumb thread. Based upon what I've seen both teams should have drafted Pepsi Machine. Pepsi Machine rocks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wilzone 0 Posted September 26, 2006 I think you're fooling yourself if you think that Bush's first 3 weeks can only be judged by his stats -- by the way, 125 yard rushing and 19 catches for 139 yards aren't bad. If you watched the Atlanta Falcons' defense's reaction to Reggie's presence on the field, you can see that he affects the play even when he doesn't touch the ball. Two memorable plays from last night were the fake reverse to Reggie that Deuce busted for 20+ yards because the cornerback overran the play trying to keep up with Reggie and the better example was when Bush lined up on the right side, jogged a few yards, and then just stood there -- a safety and a linebacker swarmed to him leaving Colston open for a 15-20 yard catch. He didn't even pretend like the ball was going to be thrown to him and he drew two defenders. Either defenses will keep swarming to him, leaving Colston, Horn, and Deuce open or they'll give him some room and he'll light them up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,453 Posted September 26, 2006 This is kind of a dumb thread. Based upon what I've seen both teams should have drafted Pepsi Machine. Pepsi Machine rocks. MACHINE! MACHINE! MACHINE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 518 Posted September 26, 2006 I think you're fooling yourself if you think that Bush's first 3 weeks can only be judged by his stats -- by the way, 125 yard rushing and 19 catches for 139 yards aren't bad. If you watched the Atlanta Falcons' defense's reaction to Reggie's presence on the field, you can see that he affects the play even when he doesn't touch the ball. Two memorable plays from last night were the fake reverse to Reggie that Deuce busted for 20+ yards because the cornerback overran the play trying to keep up with Reggie and the better example was when Bush lined up on the right side, jogged a few yards, and then just stood there -- a safety and a linebacker swarmed to him leaving Colston open for a 15-20 yard catch. He didn't even pretend like the ball was going to be thrown to him and he drew two defenders. Either defenses will keep swarming to him, leaving Colston, Horn, and Deuce open or they'll give him some room and he'll light them up. That Reggie Bush is one hell of a decoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted September 27, 2006 Two memorable plays from last night were the fake reverse to Reggie that Deuce busted for 20+ yards because the cornerback overran the play trying to keep up with Reggie and the better example was when Bush lined up on the right side, jogged a few yards, and then just stood there -- a safety and a linebacker swarmed to him leaving Colston open for a 15-20 yard catch. He didn't even pretend like the ball was going to be thrown to him and he drew two defenders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
santa*69 0 Posted September 27, 2006 Did you see that play where Drew Brees handed off the ball to that guy who handed off the ball to the other guy who scored. I mean the way Brees handed it off it fooled the entire Atlanta Team. I bet you you San Diego wishes they had him back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted September 28, 2006 Coach Kubiak should join this thread, he sure ripped Mario a new one today lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 1, 2006 Wow unbelievable, Mario Williams gets his 1st point! Reggie Bush 70 total yards in a loss. Mario Williams 1 sack 1 tackle in a win. 6-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted October 2, 2006 Wow unbelievable, Mario Williams gets his 1st point! Reggie Bush 70 total yards in a loss. Mario Williams 1 sack 1 tackle in a win. 6-1 Yeah, but Houston won INSPITE of Williams..whereas the Saints kept it close BECAUSE of Bush...So I am saying 6-0-1! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted October 2, 2006 Yeah, but Houston won INSPITE of Williams..whereas the Saints kept it close BECAUSE of Bush...So I am saying 6-0-1! Yeah, Bush's two yards per carry really kept them in the game. The Saints would have been better off with Maroney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0 Posted October 2, 2006 Hey math majors, Williams was creditied with 1.5 sacks, not 1. Stats Personally, I would be happy with 6.5 sacks or more, similar to what Bruce Smith did in his first season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 2, 2006 I'm an idiot, Williams was creditied with 1.5 sacks, not 1. I posted what was provided at the time from the NFL scoreboards. we all know the league makes corrections long after games are over. at the time he had 1 tackle, 1 sack. either way Williams gets 1 point. if we ever need an expert opinion on having half a sack we'll remember to look you up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted October 2, 2006 odd scoring system.. on a side note...i think its quick forgotten(by myself as well)..the fact that Brees had a shoulder injury... he has been tremendous...if the aints still had a brooks, it would be a mess and Bush would be more of a nonfactor.. brees is calm and makes smart plays... i wouldnt ever push favre out of town here..but when the brees rumors surfaced, i got excited..he may never be an Eli, but hes underrated... and i can bash my own...all the talk about favre hanging in up..its hasselbeck on mt fave team..leading the nfl in ints with 7...yeah, he lit up the world vs the giants, but besides that, hes made some awful decisions with the ball **as far as stats go** to the guy or gal who had to figure out the kick return yards after the wild lateral session that the jets had.. probably watched the video 10 times... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0 Posted October 2, 2006 I posted what was provided at the time from the NFL scoreboards. we all know the league makescorrections long after games are over. at the time he had 1 tackle, 1 sack. either way Williams gets 1 point. if we ever need an expert opinion on having half a sack we'll remember to look you up. and if we ever need an expert opinion on comparing apples and oranges, we'll look you up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
golden eagles 0 Posted October 2, 2006 on a side note...i think its quick forgotten(by myself as well)..the fact that Brees had a shoulder injury... he has been tremendous...if the aints still had a brooks, it would be a mess and Bush would be more of a nonfactor.. brees is calm and makes smart plays... I was at that game yesterday & I was as impressed with Brees as I have been by a visiting QB in a long time, especially ANY Saints QB I ever saw. That 86 yard garbage TD made me , but Brees made a he!!uva throw. Bush looked like he hasn't gotten the speed of the NFL down yet. He had 2-3 decent pass catches, but the Panthers punt coverage (filled with bench players) easily kept him contained. His fumble inside the 20 really hurt N.O. in the first half. He will be a real weapon out of the backfield on pass plays, he got matched up twice with LB's who had no chance against him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0 Posted October 2, 2006 Even more important than the sacks was the pass defense on the MIA 2 point conversion. Williams tipped the pass that would of tied the game late in the 4th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted October 3, 2006 I find this direct comparison to be kind of silly. Kubiak came out of Denver, where the zone blocking scheme made the running backs. Up there they drafted guys in the mid rounds and made them look like all-pro's. If the Texans draft a RB in the next few years and Kubiak makes him an all-pro, then who's to say Texas made a bad decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_House 0 Posted October 3, 2006 How many points would Laurence Maroney have in this contest? Or Bills SS Donte Whitner? Or Lions LB Ernie Sims? Or Saints WR Marques Colston? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 3, 2006 How many points would Laurence Maroney have in this contest? I think the Maroney contest would be vs. Addai as they are linked. Indy wanted maroney and tried to trade up to get him, Pats took maroney cause they knew Indy wanted him... Maroney 6pts (played well in weeks 1,2.(2pts) This week had 125yds 2tds...(2pts). Also 2 nice wins for the Pats(2pts) no point for scraping by Buffalo at home) Addai 4pts (played well in weeks 2 and 4.(2pts) Contributed to 2 of Indy's 4 wins and has lost a couple easy TDs to Manning(2pts)) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0 Posted October 3, 2006 I find this direct comparison to be kind of silly. Kubiak came out of Denver, where the zone blocking scheme made the running backs. Up there they drafted guys in the mid rounds and made them look like all-pro's. If the Texans draft a RB in the next few years and Kubiak makes him an all-pro, then who's to say Texas made a bad decision. It's beyond silly. A better comparison would be vs. other 1st round DE's historically or even any legendary DE regardless of where they were selected. My whole rationale for Williams vs. Bruce Smith, Reggie White, etc was to make apples to apples comparion easier. Furthermore, there are too many things a DE/DT can do which have no stat associated with them. Once again, how do you score the tipped pass which probably saved the win? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted October 3, 2006 How many number 1 draft pick running backs have ever played in a super bowl? Answer: none How many number 1 draft pick defensive ends have played in a super bowl? A few including Ed Too Tall Jone, John Matuszak, Bubba Smith, and Bruce Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 3, 2006 How many number 1 draft pick running backs have ever played in a super bowl? Answer: noneHow many number 1 draft pick defensive ends have played in a super bowl? A few including Ed Too Tall Jone, John Matuszak, Bubba Smith, and Bruce Smith. #1 running backs takes since the superbowl began: OJ Simpson HOF Ricky Bell bust Earl Campbell HOF Billy Sims ok George Rogers ok Bo jackson unreal until freak injury Kijana Carter bust Dline Bubba Smith ok Walt Patulski bust John Matuszak was ok...as sloth Too Tall Jones should be HOF Lee Roy Selmon HOF kenneth sims bust Bruce Smith HOF Russell Maryland ok Steve Emtman bust Dan Wilkinson bust Courtney Brown bust 7 Rbs taken: 3 awesome, 2 ok, 2 busts. 11 DL taken: 3 awesome, 3 ok, 5 busts. So if you were sitting there on draft day with the 1st pick and it's either John coke-head matuszak or Bo Jackson...you'd take the cokehead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted October 3, 2006 #1 running backs takes since the superbowl began:OJ Simpson HOF Ricky Bell bust Earl Campbell HOF Billy Sims ok George Rogers ok Bo jackson unreal until freak injury Kijana Carter bust Dline Bubba Smith ok Walt Patulski bust John Matuszak was ok...as sloth Too Tall Jones should be HOF Lee Roy Selmon HOF kenneth sims bust Bruce Smith HOF Russell Maryland ok Steve Emtman bust Dan Wilkinson bust Courtney Brown bust 7 Rbs taken: 3 awesome, 2 ok, 2 busts. 11 DL taken: 3 awesome, 3 ok, 5 busts. So if you were sitting there on draft day with the 1st pick and it's either John coke-head matuszak or Bo Jackson...you'd take the cokehead? I would take a super bowl win with Matuszak or Too Tall Jones over watching regular season highlights of Bo or OJ. I remember reading the Steeler fans were disapointed when the Steelers barely missed out having the worst record in 1968 and missed getting OJ. Their consolation prize was Joe Greene. Turns out the defensive player was better for building around. Who cares if they are in the hall of fame? I am talking about super bowls. Most of those busts you listed were defensive tackles not defensive ends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 4, 2006 I would take a super bowl win with Matuszak or Too Tall Jones over watching regular season highlights of Bo or OJ. I remember reading the Steeler fans were disapointed when the Steelers barely missed out having the worst record in 1968 and missed getting OJ. Their consolation prize was Joe Greene. Turns out the defensive player was better for building around. Who cares if they are in the hall of fame? I am talking about super bowls. Most of those busts you listed were defensive tackles not defensive ends. bubba smith was considered a DT too at the time. HTH you should work for the texans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted October 4, 2006 That guy said Earl Campbell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted October 4, 2006 bubba smith was considered a DT too at the time. HTHyou should work for the texans When was the 265 pound Bruce Smith called a tackle? HS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 4, 2006 When was the 265 pound Bruce Smith called a tackle? HS? 1967 Baltimore Bubba Smith, DT, Michigan State 1968 Minnesota Ron Yary, T, USC 1969 Buffalo O.J. Simpson, RB, USC 1970 Pittsburgh Terry Bradshaw, QB, Louisiana Tech 1971 New England Jim Plunkett, QB, Stanford 1972 Buffalo Walt Patulski, DE, Notre Dame 1973 Houston John Matuszak, DE, Tampa 1974 Dallas Ed Jones, DE, Tennessee State 1975 Atlanta Steve Bartkowski, QB, California 1976 Tampa Bay Lee Roy Selmon, DE, Oklahoma 1977 Tampa Bay Ricky Bell, RB, USC 1978 Houston Earl Campbell, RB, Texas 1979 Buffalo Tom Cousineau, LB, Ohio State 1980 Detroit Billy Sims, RB, Oklahoma 1981 New Orleans George Rogers, RB, South Carolina 1982 New England Kenneth Sims, DT, Texas 1983 Baltimore John Elway, QB, Stanford 1984 New England Irving Fryar, WR, Nebraska 1985 Buffalo Bruce Smith, DE, Virginia Tech 1986 Tampa Bay Bo Jackson, RB, Auburn 1987 Tampa Bay Vinny Testaverde, QB, Miami-FL 1988 Atlanta Aundray Bruce, LB, Auburn 1989 Dallas Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA 1990 Indianapolis Jeff George, QB, Illinois 1991 Dallas Russell Maryland, DT, Miami-FL 1992 Indianapolis Steve Emtman, DT, Washington 1993 New England Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State 1994 Cincinnati Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State 1995 Cincinnati Ki-Jana Carter, RB, Penn State 1996 NY Jets Keyshawn Johnson, WR, USC 1997 St. Louis Orlando Pace, OT, Ohio State 1998 Indianapolis Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee 1999 Cleveland Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky 2000 Cleveland Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State 2001 Atlanta Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech 2002 Houston David Carr, QB, Fresno State 2003 Cincinnati Carson Palmer, QB, USC 2004 San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi 2005 San Francisco Alex Smith, QB Utah 2006 Houston Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerRoseFan 16 Posted October 4, 2006 1967 Baltimore Bubba Smith, DT, Michigan State1968 Minnesota Ron Yary, T, USC 1969 Buffalo O.J. Simpson, RB, USC 1970 Pittsburgh Terry Bradshaw, QB, Louisiana Tech 1971 New England Jim Plunkett, QB, Stanford 1972 Buffalo Walt Patulski, DE, Notre Dame 1973 Houston John Matuszak, DE, Tampa 1974 Dallas Ed Jones, DE, Tennessee State 1975 Atlanta Steve Bartkowski, QB, California 1976 Tampa Bay Lee Roy Selmon, DE, Oklahoma 1977 Tampa Bay Ricky Bell, RB, USC 1978 Houston Earl Campbell, RB, Texas 1979 Buffalo Tom Cousineau, LB, Ohio State 1980 Detroit Billy Sims, RB, Oklahoma 1981 New Orleans George Rogers, RB, South Carolina 1982 New England Kenneth Sims, DT, Texas 1983 Baltimore John Elway, QB, Stanford 1984 New England Irving Fryar, WR, Nebraska 1985 Buffalo Bruce Smith, DE, Virginia Tech 1986 Tampa Bay Bo Jackson, RB, Auburn 1987 Tampa Bay Vinny Testaverde, QB, Miami-FL 1988 Atlanta Aundray Bruce, LB, Auburn 1989 Dallas Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA 1990 Indianapolis Jeff George, QB, Illinois 1991 Dallas Russell Maryland, DT, Miami-FL 1992 Indianapolis Steve Emtman, DT, Washington 1993 New England Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State 1994 Cincinnati Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State 1995 Cincinnati Ki-Jana Carter, RB, Penn State 1996 NY Jets Keyshawn Johnson, WR, USC 1997 St. Louis Orlando Pace, OT, Ohio State 1998 Indianapolis Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee 1999 Cleveland Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky 2000 Cleveland Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State 2001 Atlanta Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech 2002 Houston David Carr, QB, Fresno State 2003 Cincinnati Carson Palmer, QB, USC 2004 San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi 2005 San Francisco Alex Smith, QB Utah 2006 Houston Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State noted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted October 4, 2006 bubba smith was considered a DT too at the time. HTHyou should work for the texans Bubba played de at Michigan state and he switched between de and dt in the pros (they played him everywhere to terrorize opponents). I don't care about the Texans. I've never even stepped foot in that state. I just don't think Reggie Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread. IMO he does not have the power of a Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk to run the ball in the middle. I mention those two because I have heard him compared to them. Great receiver out of the backfield but he at this point i think he is overhyped. I am a little wary of the Reggie Bush hype. My main concern was that the guy benefitted by playing on some tremendously talented USC teams. Not sure if he is the kind of guy you can just hand the ball off to and expect results. ETA- All of Bubba's football cards list him as a defensive end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 4, 2006 IMO he does not have the power of a Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk to run the ball in the middle. sounds like tiki barber, emmitt was too short, dunn too small, bettis too fat and slow, curtis martin couldn't outrun anyone, eddie george too tall and takes too many hits, edge james wouldn't be the same after the injury, clinton portis can't run for power, willis mcgahee and frank gore blew out their knees, thomas jones couldn't get it done... hey at least they got ron dayne right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted October 4, 2006 sounds like tiki barber, emmitt was too short, dunn too small, bettis too fat and slow, curtis martin couldn't outrun anyone, eddie georgetoo tall and takes too many hits, edge james wouldn't be the same after the injury, clinton portis can't run for power, willis mcgahee and frank gore blew out their knees, thomas jones couldn't get it done... hey at least they got ron dayne right. What are you talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Gettinghuge, are you ever going to answer my question on how a tipped ball which saved a win is scored? We could just as easily say: Bush 0 game winning events Williams 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,109 Posted October 4, 2006 Gettinghuge, are you ever going to answer my question on how a tipped ball which saved a win is scored? We could just as easily say: Bush 0 game winning events Williams 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 4, 2006 What are you talking about? what am I talking about? what are you talking about? YOU were the one trashing reggie bush as weak, overhyped...-I- then point out that people have said the same stuff about many of the greats and current excellent RBs. when people doubt extremely talented, driven guys like that, more often then not they eat their words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 589 Posted October 4, 2006 I was at the game sunday as well, and I was focusing in on Mario most of the game. That guy is a specimen, he was double-teamed on almost every play that I saw. He also missed Culpepper a couple of times, and when he got his 1.5 sacks (which came on consecutive plays), it was the loudest I've heard reliant since their first win against Dallas. Its unfair to judge an RB vs a DE, like was said by many before, a lot of what he does isn't captured on the stat sheet. Some of my buddies are thinking that the Texans knew something of Bush's past (the agent crap while in college) and Kubiak didn't want to deal with it. If Mario gets 6.5 sacks, I'll be pleased. The kid is a beast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 1 Posted October 9, 2006 Reggie FOCKING Bush!! 11 catches?! a focking game winning punt return for a TD at the end of the 4th quarter?!!??! 2 pts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
