Federer > Woods

[jgcrawfish 232]

I've always had an issue with Federer's backhand, it's the weakest part of his game. He just happens to have the best forehand in the history of tennis. I'm not saying his backhand is steffi graf weak, just that compared to the rest of his game, it is his only slight weakness.

 

yeah, but he plays that slice so freakin well he neutralizes his weakness and his opponents strength. Dude consistently hits the deepest slice i've ever seen. It takes a long time to get there, which lets him get back in position for a lot of shots, and stays low so his opponent can't blast it. It's good enough that nobody but Rafa and his kickass groundstrokes can take advantage of it. Like you said, it's not a Graf type weakness (or Edberg on the forehand side, which I never understood).

[NewbieJr 541]

the bad part, to me anyway, is that Federer didn't have Rafa for MORE of his career. I loved watching they dynamic of McEnroe/Connors/Lendl in the prime of their careers. They gave way to the Wilander/Becker/Edberg era, who gave way to the Agassi/Sampra era. It seems to me that Federer never had another great player he had to jostle with for his whole career.

I think this may be more an indication of how great he is rather than a lack of great competition.

 

Federer's the best ever. In any other generation, maybe this past decade's 2-5 players would have been considered great in their own right. Or, if Federer played in the 70's/80's, maybe the McEnroe/Connors/Lendl grouping would have seemed less-than-fantastic.

 

Of course, there's no way of knowing that. It just seems odd that sudddenly there are no other great players in the entire world. Seems a bit more likely that a ridiculously-great one has come along.

[edjr 6,580]

I think this may be more an indication of how great he is rather than a lack of great competition.

 

Federer's the best ever. In any other generation, maybe this past decade's 2-5 players would have been considered great in their own right. Or, if Federer played in the 70's/80's, maybe the McEnroe/Connors/Lendl grouping would have seemed less-than-fantastic.

 

Of course, there's no way of knowing that. It just seems odd that sudddenly there are no other great players in the entire world. Seems a bit more likely that a ridiculously-great one has come along.

 

 

Federer has played in the finals in 17 of the last 18 majors, losing in the semi final in that one, winning 11 times. That is MAJORS remember. People are impressed by Tiger's 50% winning tournaments, not majors. Tiger has won 6 of the last 20 majors.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Federer has played in the finals in 17 of the last 18 majors, losing in the semi final in that one, winning 11 times. That is MAJORS remember. People are impressed by Tiger's 50% winning tournaments, not majors. Tiger has won 6 of the last 20 majors.

 

I don't know how the two sports compare, but the stat for Tiger was that he wins majors at a rate more than double the next person on the list (Nicklaus) over a similar time period.

 

I don't know how Federer has done when comparing him with other Tennis players. I would suspect that he is at least that dominant.

[NewbieJr 541]

I don't know how the two sports compare, but the stat for Tiger was that he wins majors at a rate more than double the next person on the list (Nicklaus) over a similar time period.

 

I don't know how Federer has done when comparing him with other Tennis players. I would suspect that he is at least that dominant.

At least? Tiger went 0-4 last year in majors. Didn't even make the cut in one of them.

 

Tiger's a great golfer but he can't even hold Federer's jock as far as dominating his sport.

[edjr 6,580]

At least? Tiger went 0-4 last year in majors. Didn't even make the cut in one of them.

 

Tiger's a great golfer but he can't even hold Federer's jock as far as dominating his sport.

 

Which was exactly why this thread was made.

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Which was exactly why this thread was made.

 

 

and it all circles back around 966 posts later

[Sho Nuff 720]

More people right now care about when Tiger will come back to the tour than probably watched Feds in the Australian.

[NewbieJr 541]

More people right now care about when Tiger will come back to the tour than probably watched Feds in the Australian.

And?

[Sho Nuff 720]

And?

 

Tennis sucks.

[jerryskids 6,792]

the bad part, to me anyway, is that Federer didn't have Rafa for MORE of his career. I loved watching they dynamic of McEnroe/Connors/Lendl in the prime of their careers. They gave way to the Wilander/Becker/Edberg era, who gave way to the Agassi/Sampra era. It seems to me that Federer never had another great player he had to jostle with for his whole career. He caught Sampras and Agassi at the end of their runs, and Rafa has come on more at the end of Federer's run. I sometimes wonder if he was so dominant because of the lack of another dominant player.

I agree. I was a teen in the 80s and started following tennis during the McEnroe/Connors/Lendl era, also the Evert/Navratalova era. Great rivalries, great storylines (pigtailed American girl vs. Russian roided lesbo machine, for instance). Great personalities on the men's side. Recently we've had Sampras and Federer who always won and were boring as dirt.

[NewbieJr 541]

Tennis sucks.

Oh. Cool.

 

And more people will watch the Super Bowl than the US Open. Not sure what that has to do with Federer being ten times more dominant than Woods in his sport but as long as we're just throwing out facts that are unrelated to the thread topic......

[jocstrap 8]

Tennis sucks.

 

 

 

BTW - how much snow did you get?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

BTW - how much snow did you get?

 

Bout 4.5 - 5".

Enough to get some good sledding in.

Could have been much more but it changed over to freezing rain/sleet Friday night. Sucked for the kid to build a snow man til it started melting today.

[edjr 6,580]

[jocstrap 8]

Bout 4.5 - 5".

Enough to get some good sledding in.

Could have been much more but it changed over to freezing rain/sleet Friday night. Sucked for the kid to build a snow man til it started melting today.

 

 

I almost piled the kids in the burb for a road trip to Nashville. We're a little under 2 hours away, but I didn't want to get stuck on the road at noon on Friday with bad roads. Sucks it turned to freezing rain, you guys would have had 9 inches I bet.

[NewbieJr 541]

Not just wins another major, but easily disposes of his opponent like it's a first round match. Unbelievable.

 

And isn't he supposed to be on the downside of his career?

[Rybo5 0]

And isn't he supposed to be on the downside of his career?

 

Yeah, that's pretty amazing too. He isn't even in his prime anymore. It seems though like he's pretty much focusing on the majors now, whereas he used to win a lot of the minor tournaments.

[edjr 6,580]

Not just wins another major, but easily disposes of his opponent like it's a first round match. Unbelievable.

 

And isn't he supposed to be on the downside of his career?

 

He suffered through the start of 2008 with really bad Mono, people thought he was done and he was on the downside, but he was sick.

 

Since the 2008 US open he has won 4 of the last 6 majors and he lost in the finals of the other 2, hardly on the downside.

[jocstrap 8]

Happy Tiger Woods Day

[edjr 6,580]

Happy Tiger Woods Day

 

 

It's final.

 

Federer > Woods

 

FTW

[GettnHuge 2]

 

It's final.

 

Federer > Woods

 

FTW

 

let me know when every channel breaks it's coverage to show a Rog Federer statement to the media.

Woods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer

[jocstrap 8]

let me know when every channel breaks it's coverage to show a Rog Federer statement to the media.

Woods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer

 

 

Let me know when woods catches federer in grand slam titles

 

or are they tied now?

[GettnHuge 2]

Let me know when woods catches federer in grand slam titles

 

or are they tied now?

 

Tiger doesn't play a sissy girl sport, he plays in majors against 170 guys, not 6

[jocstrap 8]

this about sums it up - - worded beautifully from somebody else on MSN. Gettnhuge - I'm sorry, but Tiger isn't close

 

jack nicklaus....................18 major wins, 19 major seconds

and he had to beat

Palmer

Miller

Player

Trevino

Rodriguez

Irwin

Faldo

Floyd

etc......

Tiger Woods..................14 major wins, ZERO seconds

and he beats

May

Bryant

YE Yang (oh, no, wait...........)

Daly

Mickelson (the biggest choke artist in the history of golf)

Singh (ped's and simple muscle memory)

and a WHOLE BUNCH of other NOBODIES.......

 

how can he not have one 2nd place in a major?

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/report...-apology-022010

in the comments below

[edjr 6,580]

this about sums it up - - worded beautifully from somebody else on MSN. Gettnhuge - I'm sorry, but Tiger isn't close

 

jack nicklaus....................18 major wins, 19 major seconds

and he had to beat

Palmer

Miller

Player

Trevino

Rodriguez

Irwin

Faldo

Floyd

etc......

Tiger Woods..................14 major wins, ZERO seconds

and he beats

May

Bryant

YE Yang (oh, no, wait...........)

Daly

Mickelson (the biggest choke artist in the history of golf)

Singh (ped's and simple muscle memory)

and a WHOLE BUNCH of other NOBODIES.......

 

how can he not have one 2nd place in a major?

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/report...-apology-022010

in the comments below

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

this about sums it up - - worded beautifully from somebody else on MSN. Gettnhuge - I'm sorry, but Tiger isn't close

 

jack nicklaus....................18 major wins, 19 major seconds

and he had to beat

Palmer

Miller

Player

Trevino

Rodriguez

Irwin

Faldo

Floyd

etc......

Tiger Woods..................14 major wins, ZERO seconds

and he beats

May

Bryant

YE Yang (oh, no, wait...........)

Daly

Mickelson (the biggest choke artist in the history of golf)

Singh (ped's and simple muscle memory)

and a WHOLE BUNCH of other NOBODIES.......

 

how can he not have one 2nd place in a major?

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/report...-apology-022010

in the comments below

 

Tiger has 6 runner ups in majors. You should probably stick to tennis commentary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caree...ip_performances

 

Summary of major championship performances

Starts – 55 (49 as a professional)

Wins – 14

2nd place finishes – 6

[jocstrap 8]

Tiger has 6 runner ups in majors. You should probably stick to tennis commentary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caree...ip_performances

 

 

OK, so I focked up on that one. That's what I get for not doing the research myself

 

But look who have been the runner's up. Weak competition since the age of Tiger. Who are half of these guys? Don't tell me that's b/c the competition is so deep. More like so crapy.

 

1997 - Tom Kite

1999 - Sergio Garcia

2000 - Els, Jiminez

2000- Els, Bjorn

2000 - Bob May

2001 - Duval

2002 - Goosen

2002 - Mickelson

2005 - Dimarco

2005 - Montgomery

2006 - Dimarco

2006 - Micheel

2007 - Austin

2008 - Mediate

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

OK, so I focked up on that one. That's what I get for not doing the research myself

 

But look who have been the runner's up. Weak competition since the age of Tiger. Who are half of these guys? Don't tell me that's b/c the competition is so deep. More like so crapy.

 

1997 - Tom Kite

1999 - Sergio Garcia

2000 - Els, Jiminez

2000- Els, Bjorn

2000 - Bob May

2001 - Duval

2002 - Goosen

2002 - Mickelson

2005 - Dimarco

2005 - Montgomery

2006 - Dimarco

2006 - Micheel

2007 - Austin

2008 - Mediate

If you don't know who Kite, Mickelson, Els, Duval, Goosen, Garcia and Dimarco are, then you definitely don't know golf.

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If you don't know who Kite, Mickelson, Els, Duval, Goosen, Garcia and Dimarco are, then you are definitely don't know golf.

 

Rafael Nadal has 2/3 of these guys titles in 6 years vs Federer - 6 total and several 2nds

 

The players you've listed above have a total of what - 9ish titles combined in 20 years?

 

woods has no consistent competion.

 

That being said - Nadal, I feel like is past his prime. You can only be that fast, and play couterattack tennis for a short amount of time. His run of 5/6 years was remarkable.

 

How Federer maintains his freakish level of perfection is beyond me.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Rafael Nadal has 2/3 of these guys titles in 6 years vs Federer - 6 total and several 2nds

 

The players you've listed above have a total of what - 9ish titles combined in 20 years?

 

woods has no consistent competion.

 

That being said - Nadal, I feel like is past his prime. You can only be that fast, and play couterattack tennis for a short amount of time. His run of 5/6 years was remarkable.

 

How Federer maintains his freakish level of perfection is beyond me.

 

Again, you probably know tennis very well. However, you don't know anything about golf.

 

Federer has had a remarkable run. Focus on what he has done as opposed to trying to diminish what Tiger has done. You will get a lot further.

[jocstrap 8]

Again, you probably know tennis very well. However, you don't know anything about golf.

 

Federer has had a remarkable run. Focus on what he has done as opposed to trying to diminish what Tiger has done. You will get a lot further.

 

 

I love lying on the couch on Sunday's watching Tiger try to win a championship. Believe it or not, I vehemently route for him every time. He is the only reason I watch golf. Tiger is golf, look at how bleak it is without him. I will never diminish what he's done.

 

The title of this topic is Woods vs Federer. I'm taking the side of Federer>Woods obviously as a homer. I just am trying to persuade those on the fence by stats and results.

 

Woods is no doubt more important for golf, than Federer is for tennis. But on paper, Federer has outperformed Woods in Major Championships IMHO.

 

This has been, and will continue to be one of my favorite topics on the geek bored.

[GettnHuge 2]

I love lying on the couch on Sunday's watching Tiger try to win a championship. Believe it or not, I vehemently route for him every time. He is the only reason I watch golf. Tiger is golf, look at how bleak it is without him. I will never diminish what he's done.

 

The title of this topic is Woods vs Federer. I'm taking the side of Federer>Woods obviously as a homer. I just am trying to persuade those on the fence by stats and results.

 

Woods is no doubt more important for golf, than Federer is for tennis. But on paper, Federer has outperformed Woods in Major Championships IMHO.

 

This has been, and will continue to be one of my favorite topics on the geek bored.

 

for your favourite topic, you seem to have a problem reading it. specially the part of it with the nonexistent word 'majors'

Woods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer

that is all there is

Fed could give a press conf tomorrow and maybe 5 people give a carp, Tiger does and 5 countries stop to watch

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I love lying on the couch on Sunday's watching Tiger try to win a championship. Believe it or not, I vehemently route for him every time. He is the only reason I watch golf. Tiger is golf, look at how bleak it is without him. I will never diminish what he's done.

 

The title of this topic is Woods vs Federer. I'm taking the side of Federer>Woods obviously as a homer. I just am trying to persuade those on the fence by stats and results.

 

Woods is no doubt more important for golf, than Federer is for tennis. But on paper, Federer has outperformed Woods in Major Championships IMHO.

 

This has been, and will continue to be one of my favorite topics on the geek bored.

... and yet, your latest post was predicated on Tiger not being as good as Nicklaus due to the # of 2nd place finishes. A weak attempt with flawed stats and results that you obviously got from someone else and did not even validate.

 

If you want to hammer Tiger about his personal life, feel free. It is like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

 

Like I said before, you can merely focus on Federer's own exploits and have enough ammo without getting into what Tiger has done.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If a player has a losing record against his biggest rival...how can he be the best ever?

[GettnHuge 2]

If a player has a losing record against his biggest rival...how can he be the best ever?

 

that is why Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>> Federer

[jocstrap 8]

for your favourite topic, you seem to have a problem reading it. specially the part of it with the nonexistent word 'majors'

Woods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federer

that is all there is

Fed could give a press conf tomorrow and maybe 5 people give a carp, Tiger does and 5 countries stop to watch

 

But who has had better results in their sport - FEDERER. Is Tiger larger in life than Federer - YES. Is Federer actually a better player in his sport than Woods - YES

[jocstrap 8]

If a player has a losing record against his biggest rival...how can he be the best ever?

 

 

you make a great point. I have no answer.

 

Nadal leads their overall head-to-head series 13–7.[9] Because tournament seedings are based on rankings, 16 of their matches have been in tournament finals, including an all-time record 7 Grand Slam finals.[10] From 2006 to 2008 they played in every French Open and Wimbledon final, and then they met in the 2009 Australian Open final. Nadal won five of the seven,

 

At least Federer has had a rival. Where is Tiger's competition? Not one focking pga player can step up to the plate to rival Woods

[GettnHuge 2]

But who has had better results in their sport - FEDERER. Is Tiger larger in life than Federer - YES. Is Federer actually a better player in his sport than Woods - YES

seems you still have issues with literacy

[jocstrap 8]

... and yet, your latest post was predicated on Tiger not being as good as Nicklaus due to the # of 2nd place finishes. A weak attempt with flawed stats and results that you obviously got from someone else and did not even validate.

 

If you want to hammer Tiger about his personal life, feel free. It is like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

 

Like I said before, you can merely focus on Federer's own exploits and have enough ammo without getting into what Tiger has done.

 

 

I don't care what Tiger does in his own life. I've been married 13 years with 3 kids. I am greater than Tiger in marriage and being a faithful father. But that's not the point

 

In no way have I ever compared Tiger to Jack. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Jack was before my time, and used wooden clubs with much greater competition - there is no comparison. I also admitted that I didn't do the research on Tiger's 2nd place finishes in grand slams.

 

This is all I can go by in results....and as of January 2010, has reached the semi-finals or better of the last 23 Grand Slam tournaments, a record streak that spans over six years.[8] Federer also holds the record of reaching 10 consecutive Grand Slam finals and has appeared in 18 of the last 19.

 

Find those stats for Woods