***Lost***

[TommyGavin 790]

how the hell did Tiki Barber go from playing for the Giants to becoming the Chief of Surgery in four months!?

I thought the same thingy

[edjr 6,580]

Holy focking sh¡t Sayid breaking that dude's neck was the highlight of my tv watching career.

 

I have to agree. Sayid breaking a dudes neck with his feet was the coolest ever. My gf even got all excited.

[phillybear 366]

***Let's update this, from page 6 of this thread, any changes will have an "edit"....

 

Handicapping the dead:

 

Since we have all heard about 4 or 5 more people dying, let’s explore who might be taking a dirt nap in the near future. A really good indicator is someone that has pretty much had everything significant in their past revealed through flashbacks or had a life changing experience/epiphany (Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, Nikki, Paulo) Or the character wasn’t important enough to warrant a flashback (Colleen, Goodwin, Ethan, Dr Artz, Nathan, etc.) Chances of dying by conclusion of Season 3…and if I missed anyone, let me know.

 

Sawyer: Extremely likely. What more is there to tell about Sawyer? We saw him fulfill his life’s ambition by killing the man who ruined his life last week. We know his conning history, he told Jack about meeting Jack’s dad. No more possible flashbacks. Nothing. And the island may be upset after Sawyer killed Cooper. See ya.

 

Kate: Extremely likely: What more is there to tell about Kate? Her last flashback sucked, as it seemed to be stretching out her back story. We now about her killing her father, with several episodes devoted to it. Enough all ready. I’m tired of her batting her eyelashes at Jack and Sawyer. See ya.

 

Ben: Possible. As much as I like this character, he has a flashback upcoming this week, and many characters have died soon after a flashback episode centered on that character. While he has tons of potential back story to come, the island may demand him to die for putting its favorite son in the awkward position of being forced to kill his father. See ya.

Edit: Changing this from Extremely likely to Possible. The problem is that the Dharma flashback show that Ben's flashbacks reveal so much, and there is still much background to explore.

 

Jin: Extremely likely: Well, he is the father. Now what? His back story is pretty much done.

 

Naomi: Extremely likely: Great. She told us the survivors are dead, and has a useless phone, and speaks 73 languages. Now what. She won’t tell any more, and is useless other wise. Are they going to do a flashback on her? I doubt it. See ya.

 

Jack: Possible. He is going to be working on a movie this summer and fall, Speed Racer, and may or may not be returning to the cast for Season 4. Seems like his back story is over. But they forced that stupid tattoo episode on us, so they see to be stretching it out a bit. The only reason to keep him around is to see if he is permanent part of the others.

 

Charlie. Extremely likely. They made such a big deal of him dying but Desmond saving him, I think the swerve is to keep him alive.

Edit: Change from Possible to Extreme likely. His flashbacks are done. Nadia called him a hero last week. He kissed Claire. He hugged Hurley. He said goodbye to Aaron. Is there any more obvious clues that he will finally just die already. I'm sick of the will he/won't he crap. See ya.

 

Juliette: Possible. I think she is doing a great job with her character. But her back story is pretty much done. Her desire to leave at any cost may cost her life. Her relationship with Jack is blossoming. If he sticks around, she will probably do so as well.

 

Claire: Possible. Realistically, they aren’t going to kill off the mother of a new born. But I can still hope. Die. Die. Die. Her back story is done.

 

Carl: Possible. Peripheral character we haven’t seen in a while. Could show up just in time to die.

 

Mikhail: Possible. He might have come back to life, only to die again. I love the irony.

 

Desmond: No chance. His visions are very important right now. His backstory with Penny needs some kind of closure.

 

Rose and Bernard: No chance. Who? Aren’t they already dead? They’ve been missing for weeks. You can’t kill who you can’t see.

 

Hurley: No chance. I’ve read interviews where the creators/producers of the show have said Hurley is in it for the long haul. We still need to see how Hurley collapsed the deck that lead to his institutionalization. Maybe we will see the Libby connection in more detail in future episodes. Besides, the show can’t kill off its comic relief. He is around for the whole series.

 

Sayid: No chance. However, we have the unresolved story of Nadia, so I think he will be around next year. Besides, he is the only person with common sense on the whole island.

 

Locke: No chance. He is such a complicated character, they can’t kill him off. He is the true wildcard on the show. Unpredictable. But he is on the island’s wavelength. He is around for the whole series.

 

Sun: No chance. They need to keep her around for next year, to see if she can give birth and live. But her back story is done.

 

Rousseau: No chance. She is a mysterious character that needs a flashback at some point. Unresolved story with Alex.

 

Alex: No chance. Unresolved story with Rousseau, and her real relationship with Ben.

 

Tom: Possible. He is the comic relief of the Others.

Edit: Change from No Chance to Possible. They can't kill 5 main characters. And Richard has a back story after the Dharma poisoning. Some Others need to die. Other than Ben, Juliette, and Richard, who else is left that we know by name.

 

Richard Alpert: No chance. He is possibly subverting Ben’s leadership, and the island may want him around.

 

Michael and Walt: No chance. We need a flashback of what happened to them once they left on the boat.

 

Vincent: No chance. He is will continue to pop up every couple of episodes for a purpose. Or is the smoke monster.

 

The Smoke Monster: No chance. Simply because the monster would have the best flashback possible of everybody left

 

 

Recap...

 

Extremely likely: Sawyer, Kate, Jin, Naomi, Charlie.

 

Possible: Ben, Jack, Juliette, Claire, Carl, Mikhail, Tom.

 

No chance: Desmond, Rose, Bernard, Hurley, Sayid, Locke, Sun, Rousseau, Alex, Richard, Michael, Walt, Vincent, Smoke Monster

 

Mixed results, considering that a ton of nameless Others died, and few Losties died. With the extremely likely, I was correct in Naomi and Charlie dying, but way off on Sawyer and Kate. Not only did Kate live, but she apparently gets off the island at some point in the future. Jin is almost executed, but close is meaningless.

 

With the possibles, I did have Tom dying, so chalk that up. I am going to tentatively chalk up Mikhail. He should be dead from the speargun and then the grenade. It's not my fault he is a freak of nature. Wrong on the rest.

 

None of my No Chances died, so that was a clean sweep.

[phillybear 366]

Mikhail appearing out of nowhere. Now, this could be the island healing someone. Or...something sinister, like the smoke monster in disguise yet again, as Mikhail. A manifestation that healed Naomi for some future purpose.

 

I don't think Naomi knows Penny. Granted, she has a picture of her. But they are making it too obvious that she is working for Penny. And the fact that Mikhail followed the flair, if he wasn't really the smoke monster, then he was possibly expecting her. Naomi isn't what she seems.

 

"On this island, wounds are different." Interesting. But we already knew this, kind of. Locke walking. Charlie living after being hung. But not always, with Boone dying and Ben in a wheelchair. The island is the judge. So there is no way of knowing if Naomi recovers, and quickly. Interesting to note the increased sperm count.

 

No survivors. Wow. First of all, cloning and parallel universes are possible, but I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. There are so many possibilities, including that Naomi is an Other and is lying, that I will see where they take this angle.

 

I'm rereading the thread. Interesting to revisit old ideas.

 

Why did Mikhail help Naomi? WHY? If Ben swore up and down that Naomi is not who she seems, if Penny doesn't know her, why did Mikhail save her life. Does he know her? Is Mikhail not who he seems to be?

 

Naomi also told Mikhail "I am not alone." I need answers.

[phillybear 366]

****Since Dharman is dead on the island, yet continue to drop supplies, it seems like the island natives kept up appearances in the hatches so show Dharma elsewhere in the world that business as usual was happening. But when the Swan hatch blew up, Dharma elsewhere knew something was very wrong. Therefore, Naomi is from Dharma, sent to investigate what is wrong on the island. Further, Naomi may or may not be associated with Penny, but that could lead to Penny and/or Charles Widmore as key figures in the Dharma Initiative. So this means Dharma will invade, probably in the aftermath of next week's war. But Dharma may assume that the Others AND the Losties killed off the Dharma people, so that instead of a rescue mission, Dharma arrives at the island to exact revenge. This seems like the direction of Season 4.

 

I see no reason to waver from this statement.

 

 

I'm in the progress of watching the series for the first time. TNT is airing about 10 a week late at night.

 

DVR them, edit out the commericals, then burn them to video CDs.

 

Not quite the quality of DVDs, but a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the box sets.

 

I think the X Files slim box sets are around 30 bucks. The collector's editions were around 90 bucks, until the price started to drop.

 

My only advice is to try to watch the episodes in order if you can. Otherwise, you will be completely lost for the alien story arc plotlines. Even in order, the episodes are a bit confusing. The monster of the week episodes are mostly standalones.

 

And don't forget about Millenniumm, if you ever get a chance to check it out. Chris Carter was responsible for this series as well.

[parrot 789]

I see no reason to waver from this statement.

Two problems; didn't Ben say they were "people who have been looking for this island for a long time" or words to that effect? Dharma has been dropping supplies apparently so they know where the island is, and even if they lost it after the system overload that wouldn't really constitute looking for a long time. It's only been a few weeks in island time hasn't it?

 

Then again, Ben's a liar. We know that.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

the funeral home was located in a black neighborhood (may/may not mean anything),

 

At first it might...as it is a very segregated industry. You don't see many white guys going to what would be considered a black funeral home.

 

However...why would the guy at the funeral home ask Jack if he was Friend or Family? I think it would be obvious that he was not family if it was a black guy/gal in the coffin.

[jets24 6]

I got it. The dead person is Jack himself.

[parrot 789]

Let's look at the characters, whose name starts with J (other than Jack):

John

James ("Sawyer")

Jin

Juliet

 

You forgot Jacob.

[DVD 0]

You forgot Jacob.

Ghost's can't die silly

[Sho Nuff 720]

Possibilities for who Naomi is with...

 

-Dharma...did the jamming screw them up where they "lost" where the island location was?

-Widemore...Penny's dad...looking for Desmond to keep him away from Penny who he knows is looking for Des.

[phillybear 366]

Two problems; didn't Ben say they were "people who have been looking for this island for a long time" or words to that effect? Dharma has been dropping supplies apparently so they know where the island is, and even if they lost it after the system overload that wouldn't really constitute looking for a long time. It's only been a few weeks in island time hasn't it?

 

Then again, Ben's a liar. We know that.

 

 

It's hard to figure what is true and what isn't with Ben. He would be a decent poker player.

 

If there is another group other than Dharma looking for the island, it would have to be Penny and Charles Widmore. Which would further complicate things, for sure.

 

Edit: looks like Sno Nuff hit the reply button faster than me.

[parrot 789]

If there is another group other than Dharma looking for the island, it would have to be Penny and Charles Widmore. Which would further complicate things, for sure.

Or it could be a completely new group.

[kraziness 0]

If they return back home years before they left and undo all their mistakes, what happens to their other selves? Different reality, maybe, but I'm not sure it'll be the past.

 

Jack could have freaked out about them calling his dad because he knew his dad wouldn't authorize the prescription... or because he knew he was dead, either way.

 

 

Sayid is a bad soldier? Remember, he was an IRAQI soldier.

 

I'm surprised everyone is impressed with the neck breaking. I thought it was horrible... his legs barely moved and the guys head goes twisting like crazy. :bs:

[kutulu 1,676]

I liked the Hurley bus ride myself.

[parrot 789]

I liked the Hurley bus ride myself.

[phillybear 366]

.

Sayid is a bad soldier? Remember, he was an IRAQI soldier.

 

I'm surprised everyone is impressed with the neck breaking. I thought it was horrible... his legs barely moved and the guys head goes twisting like crazy. :bs:

 

I think that Sayid has been so inept, people want to give him credit for something. Like applauding at the Special Olympics for everybody that crosses the finish line.

[phillybear 366]

By lostpedias count 22 Others have died since the Losties came, and 3 have switched sides

 

Ethan

Goodwin

Danny

Colleen

Bea Klugh

Mikhail (???)

Tom

Ryan

Jason

7 Others when the tents blew up

Bonnie

Greta

2 Un-named by Eko

1 Un-named by Ana-lucia

1 Un-named by Sawyer

 

 

Juliette, Karl and Alex switched sides

[RicemanX 20]

Are we going to debate over this for the whole summer?

[jets24 6]

Are we going to debate over this for the whole summer?

 

 

Yes?

 

 

 

No?

 

 

I can't decide.

[phillybear 366]

Are we going to debate over this for the whole summer?

 

Let's flash forward a few months, and find out what we did.

[RicemanX 20]

Let's flash forward a few months, and find out what we did.

[kutulu 1,676]

B.F. Skinner

From Lostpedia

 

B.F.Skinner, in his late years

 

Burrhus Frederic Skinner (March 20, 1904 – August 18, 1990) is mentioned in the Swan Orientation Film. He was an American psychologist and author. He conducted pioneering work on experimental psychology and advocated behaviorism, which seeks to understand behavior as a function of environmental histories of reinforcement. He also wrote a number of controversial works in which he proposed the widespread use of psychological behavior modification techniques (primarily operant conditioning) in order to improve society and increase human happiness.

Contents

 

* 1 Philosophy

* 2 Utopian social communities

* 3 In Lost

* 4 Rumored human experimentation

* 5 Theories

* 6 Trivia

* 7 References

* 8 See also

* 9 External links

 

Philosophy

 

Skinner's most influential work of philosophy, written in 1972, was Beyond Freedom and Dignity. Skinner made two points in the book. The first was that the only way to change humans was to change the environment. The DHARMA initiative can be seen as taking this concept to its ultimate conclusion through its attempt to manipulate the Valanzetti Equation.

 

The second point of the book was that true freedom and free will do not exist. Rather, freedom is a state where humans do not feel the controls that are being exerted over them and their behavior. He saw the perceived social problems (drug abuse, gambling, protests) of his day as due to mismanagement of the systems of control in society.

 

While the book is highly philosophical, Skinner did not consider himself a philosopher or the work be a philosophy. He considered his ideas pure science and his writings to be rooted in psychology.

Utopian social communities

 

B. F. Skinner described his view of a utopian socially engineered community in his 1948 novel Walden Two. Two attempts were subsequently made in 1967 (Twin Oaks) and 1973 (Los Horcones) to create communities along the principles outlined in the book. Both communities still exist but Twin Oaks has rejected parts of the Walden Two model.

 

In Lost

 

Skinner is mentioned in the Marvin Candle's narration of the Swan Orientation Film.

 

 

The DHARMA Initiative was created in 1970, and is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen DeGroot, two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Following in the footsteps of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner, (?) imagined a large-scale communal research compound where scientists and free-thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and utopian social...

 

In "A Tale of Two Cities", we see Sawyer in what is the clearest example of a "Skinner Box" so far in the series--the cage. Skinner designed these boxes for rats and pigeons to demonstrate his theories about operant conditioning. Inside a skinner box an animal is rewarded for certain actions (such as pressing the right button) and punished for others (pressing the wrong button).

 

Rumored human experimentation

 

One often-repeated but incorrect urban legend claims that Skinner ventured into human experiments by raising his daughter Deborah in a Skinner box, which led to life-long mental illness and a bitter resentment towards her father. Accounts of Deborah's supposed suicide in a bowling alley in Montana even made it to scholarly papers.

 

In 2004, psychologist and author Lauren Slater published a book, Opening Skinner's Box, which mentioned claims that Deborah Skinner (now Deborah Skinner Buzan) unsuccessfully sued her father for abuse, and later committed suicide. In response, Buzan herself came forward and denounced the story as nothing more than outrageous rumors.In The Guardian article "I was not a lab rat", Buzan wrote, "there's the story that after my father 'let me out', I became psychotic. Well, I didn't. That I sued him in a court of law is also untrue. And, contrary to hearsay, I didn't shoot myself in a bowling alley in Billings, Montana. I have never even been to Billings, Montana."

 

Theories

 

For theories about this individual, please see B.F. Skinner/Theories

 

Trivia

 

* Coincidentally, Lost star Josh Holloway will play a lead role in a new horror film, Skinner Box.

References

 

1. Skinner, B. F. 1948 Walden Two

2. Twin Oaks: A Walden Two Experiment Kinkade, Kat William Morrow & Co (February 1974) ISBN 0-688-05020-4

[CantTouchThis 23]

Are we going to debate over this for the whole summer?

 

No....over the next 8 months since it's not coming back until Febuary of 2008 were it will run 16 strait episodes. I am guessing this is because it was actually planned for 5 seasons, and the network wanted them to extend it to 6, plus fans like the 16 strait much better than having a break.

[kutulu 1,676]

What Can Ben Tell Us About Season Four?

 

Among those blown away by Wednesday's season finale of Lost was cast member Michael Emerson, who plays arch-villain (or misunderstood savior?) Ben. We caught the actor at last night's Brittania Ball on the Queen Mary 2. Now that the episode's aired, Emerson was able to be more forthcoming than he was when we interviewed him earlier this week — except that he's just as flummoxed as the rest of us about what lies ahead for the Lost ones.

 

Now that the finale has aired, do you have any freaking clue what’s going to happen when you start shooting again?

No, because I didn't know what the end of the episode was until I watched it. That was a secret scene with Jack and Kate — only Matthew [Fox] and Evangeline [Lilly] were given that text and it was shot in secret. I had to wait until last night to have this earth-shattering revelation: Now not only are we going to live in the present and the past, but also the future. And the little things they dropped made my hair stand on end!

 

Like what?

Kate and Jack got off the island somehow, but other castaways didn’t, and they’re sick about it. And who’s in the coffin? And who is Kate living with?

 

Sawyer?

Or is he dead or on the island?

 

Do you have sympathy for Ben's character?

I have full sympathy. I believe he has a mission and an agenda that he hasn’t shared with us yet. The survival of the earth may depend on Ben’s work, so it justifies his ruthless behavior. Maybe I’m just fantasizing or deluding myself.

 

Is Naomi, the British woman who parachuted from above, really bad news?

She’s a messenger from the dark side. I think we can take Ben at his word. Whoever is on the boat that they just called mean them no good. As soon as we’re in season four, I think we’re gonna discover that everyone is in deep trouble.

 

Harold Perrineau (Michael) offered role as series regular for season 4 

[RicemanX 20]

ooo messenger from the darkside...

I like that.

 

Guess my prediction might be right!

 

 

- So Naomi is not with Penny, which means another group of people will be joining us for season 4. Think the losties and the others will have to join forces to fight these guys?

[CantTouchThis 23]

It should be noted that Michael(not emerson, the guy who played michael on the island) was a helicopter pilot in 28 weeks later. I don't know if that means he will never come to the island again...I think he will in the later seasons.

[RicemanX 20]

It should be noted that Michael(not emerson, the guy who played michael on the island) was a helicopter pilot in 28 weeks later. I don't know if that means he will never come to the island again...I think he will in the later seasons.

Yea, no way they leave it like that with Mike and Walt. I say its going to be a huge shocker when they come back. Maybe the boat people have them..? Maybe they tipped off the boat people with the location of the island?

[kutulu 1,676]

LOST Producers Comment on Spoiler-Gate '07 and LOST Season Four

 

When LOST’s Season Three finale twist was revealed weeks in advance, the vast internet fan community for ABC’s hit show was divided between those who thought such information was an entitlement, and those who felt it shouldn’t exist at all. As LOST Season Four looms on the horizon, the backlash from the production end of things has finally reared its head. How did the producers react to the leak, and what plans do they have to keep LOST Season Four under wraps?

Lost producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse popped up individually this week at E!Online and TvGuide.com respectively to address the awful incident of spoiling, which took place weeks prior to the airing of LOST’s finale.

 

Lindelof described his philosophy on the leak to E!’s Kristin Veatch “…no one skips to the end of life. You have to live it, and it's just disappointing to me that people don't respect the integrity of the show enough to let it unfold naturally.”

 

Lindelof, the co-creator of LOST, went on to say this about how LOST Season Four information will be disseminated “Well, with regard to [LOST] season four, Carlton and I are going into complete and utter radio silence. I know a lot of people are going to be frustrated, but I think if things had gone a little differently in terms of the finale getting spoiled, we might have been a little more open to talking about it.” His later comments, though, were self mocking and indicated that the reason for the silence is more to suspend the audience in this state of vertigo over where the show was going, and not about getting revenge against those that spoiled the finale’s big surprise.

 

Over at the Ausiello Report on TvGuide.com, however, Carlton Cuse, the co-show runner, indicated that while the producers may be limiting themselves to well tempered displays of disappointment, the brass at Disney are the path of Vengeance. When Ausiello asked Cuse whether they knew who spread the info or not, Cuse replied “Disney security is trying to establish a full and complete list of all of the people through whose hands the show passed, We did everything we felt we could do.”

 

What could this mean for the fan community leading up to LOST Season Four? If Disney has a heightened sense of the damage to the property, it could conceivably set up a DMCA hit squad to take down sites that have a tendency to be too loose with LOST Season Four spoilers. In reality, ABC and other networks tolerate a lot of unauthorized use of copyrighted materials such as videos, logos, and pictures. Exercising their rights as copyright holders, Disney could make spoiler sites pay aesthetically for crossing the line, and in some cases, the removal of copyrighted material could conceivably cause a site to shut down. Unauthorized set photographs, the essence of many spoilers for instance, can sometimes be considered copyright violations.

 

Overall, even with a lightened tone, it appears that LOST Season Four will present a more tight lipped creative team and, likely, a more locked down production than previous seasons.

[RLLD 4,230]

I have been performing some research for my MBA class and ran across this, found it interestingly relevant-if only peripherally...

 

Hindus believe that a moral force in society requires the acceptance of certain responsibilities, called dharma. Hindus believe in reincarnation or rebirth into a different body after death. Hindus also believe in kharma, the spiritual progression of each person's soul. A persons karma is affected by the way he or she lives. The moral state of an individuals karma determines the challenges he or she will face in the next life. Hindus beleive that an individual can eventually achieve nirvana, a state of complete spiritual perfection that renders reincarnation no longer necessary.

 

[kutulu 1,676]

I have been performing some research for my MBA class and ran across this, found it interestingly relevant-if only peripherally...

 

Hindus believe that a moral force in society requires the acceptance of certain responsibilities, called dharma. Hindus believe in reincarnation or rebirth into a different body after death. Hindus also believe in kharma, the spiritual progression of each person's soul. A persons karma is affected by the way he or she lives. The moral state of an individuals karma determines the challenges he or she will face in the next life. Hindus beleive that an individual can eventually achieve nirvana, a state of complete spiritual perfection that renders reincarnation no longer necessary.

 

 

I also stumbled across that idea. I think it was from Earl.

 

 

From Sandy in Oregon: On Lost, what will happen to Desmond after Charlie's death?

Excellent question! And I have the answer from the man who knows bestest—Damon Lindelof. He tells me, "Desmond will have to deal with the aftereffects and the guilt of it. He will question whether or not Charlie would have made this sacrifice had he not told him that it was what he was going to do. He will question the role he played in Charlie’s death." So, it sounds like big sexy Dezzie is haunted by Charlie's passing, as many of us fans are!

[RLLD 4,230]

I also stumbled across that idea. I think it was from Earl.

 

Here is my thing on this.

 

So many "pieces" of this show seem to gravitate toward these notions.

 

The morality and past transgressions of everyone is a central theme. The notion that perhaps these those preminitions by Desmond were somehow part of life being "replayed".

 

I also go back to one of Desmond's visions where he is interacting with someone who tries to convince him that it is silly to try and change events in time, because they are due to occur anyway, so why fock with the "process"? However, by saving Charlie multiple times he in effect changes the impact of his eventual demise so that it saves everyone, including himself.

 

Lock even stated recently that Jack "wasn't supposed to do this" referring to getting people off the island, almost as if he knew that they were not yet ready to leave, work still had to be done. In what we now know to be a flashback, jack tells the hottie that they must go back.

 

i also think that many of the flashbacks we have seen in the past, were actually current status, like fatboy and stupid blonde hottie other being in that insane aslym....they too were not yet ready.

 

Somehow, Lock and Ben know who is ready and who is not....

[kutulu 1,676]

The Valenzetti Equation

 

The Valenzetti Equation is the mathematical equation developed by the reclusive Princeton University mathematician Enzo Valenzetti. Its creation was the result of efforts made following the Cuban Missile Crisis by the United States and the Soviet Union to find a solution to the hostility and danger of imminent global disaster created by the Cold War. The equation was secretly commissioned through the UN Security Council and is used to predict the time of human extinction.

 

 

Unknown man writing the Valenzetti Equation on a chalkboard in the Sri Lanka VideoAccording to the 1975 orientation film in the Sri Lanka Video, the Valenzetti Equation "predicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself." In it, Alvar Hanso also states that the radio transmitter on the Island, will "broadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation." The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive. However, Thomas Mittelwerk reveals that as of 2006, they have failed to change the values through manipulating the environment, as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers. It is unknown how or if the most recent calculation of the equation is automatically reflected in the radio transmissions.

 

Rachel Blake also learned that the Hanso Foundation was forcing savants at the Vik Institute in Iceland to run the equation over and over. Somehow, five hieroglyphic symbols were involved in the calculations (Armand Zander described them as "representative"), the same hieroglyphs seen on the countdown timer in the Swan station.

 

The Blast Door Map included a reference to the equation; a zone on the island is marked as being of "low relevance to Valenzetti-related research activity".

 

 

The book

 

Gary Troup, the mystery writer who died on Oceanic Flight 815, wrote a now out-of-print book called The Valenzetti Equation about Valenzetti and his apocalyptic equation. Apparently Alvar Hanso bought all copies and now owns the only known copies, along with distribution rights etc.

 

An article was posted at Wikipedia about The Valenzetti Equation and Enzo Valenzetti and was subsequently cited by Speaker as "VERY accurate", indicating it is a legitimate part of the LOST Experience.

 

This was the part about the Valenzetti Equation:

 

Valenzetti


Though shrouded in mystery, this much is known about the Valenzetti Equation: it is a
mathematical calculation designed to predict nothing less than the exact number of years
left before the extinction of the human race. Although little is known about the
circumstances leading to the creation of the equation, mystery novelist Gary Troup put
forward an interesting theory in his sole non-fiction book "The Valenzetti Equation"
(a fair-to-middling tome which owes as much to popular conspiracy fiction as it does to
higher mathematics).


According to Troup - whose research is primarily based on interviews with "UN members"
willing to break their non-disclosure agreements, and recently declassified Soviet
files - the equation was the end result of a study commissioned by the United Nations
following the Cuban Missile Crisis. With their respective nations having just faced the
very precipice of mutually-assured destruction, the United States and Soviet Union - under
the auspices of the Security Council - secretly sought Valenzetti out as a disinterested
third party and charged him with the creation of an infallible mathematical algorithm for
the prediction of Armageddon.


Less than a year later, Valenzetti returned with his eponymous equation - which, reportedly,
is not unlike the Drake Equation (sometimes mistakenly referred to as the "Sagan Equation"),
but far greater in complexity. Because of the conditions of secrecy under which
Valenzetti produced his work, the totality of the equation has never been brought to light,
nor has his final tally for the number of years left before the human race extinguishes 
itself with nuclear fire. Compounding the mystery is Valenzetti's steadfast refusal 
to discuss his work (he is best known for allegedly torching his proof of Fermat's
last theorem after it was verified by a group of colleagues). Valenzetti’s mysterious
death and Gary Troup's disappearance (and presumed death) on Oceanic Airlines flight 815,
which was lost over the pacific on September 2004. 

 

Doomsday equation

 

A real life Valenzetti equation exists; like the Valenzetti equation, it is a mathematical prediction of when the human race will go extinct, but unlike the Valenzetti equation, it is a probabilistic estimate, is quite simple mathematically, and is not at all mysterious. The Doomsday argument (DA) is a probabilistic argument that claims to predict the future lifetime of the human race given only an estimate of the total number of humans born so far.

[kutulu 1,676]

Adam and Eve

 

In "House of the Rising Sun", Jack and Kate discovered two bodies in the cave. On these bodies, Jack found a small bag containing one white and one black rock. Locke gave the bodies the names Adam and Eve.

 

Facts

 

They are skeletons found in the caves discovered by Jack in the episode "White Rabbit". They have not been seen since.

The bodies themselves were not discovered until the episode "House of the Rising Sun", when Jack returned to the caves to collect water.

They have been dead at least 40-50 years according to the deterioration of their clothing.

They were carrying one black and one white stone. Jack took these stones and neglected to mention them when Locke asked what had been discovered. See also: Black and white.

 

Interview testimony

 

In an EW.com article, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse answered the fan question, "What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?"

CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in "Not in Portland", one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.

LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living -- or, I guess, slowly decomposing -- proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, "That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this."

 

One, the anagram, could be Mittelos -- "Lost Time" or "Time Slot" -- and there could also be something embedded within the Room 23 video.

The other may be the reversed audio from the Room 23 footage. When played backwards the words "Only fools are enslaved by time and space." is repeated extremely clearly. It is possible to make the names "Adam and Eve" from the letters of this phrase.

 

 

Unanswered questions

 

Who were Adam and Eve?

What is the meaning of the black and white stones found on the body?

Were they victims of the purge?

And if so why were they not put in the Mass Grave with the rest of the bodies?

[RicemanX 20]

If Kutulu's article is right, the time traveling thing is STILL IN PLAY BABY!

 

Maybe Adam and Eve are JACK AND KATE?!

 

Jack kept those 2 stones, and then brought them back to the island and died there somehow, so there is this continuous cycle of Jack dying with the stones and then Jack finding the stones and keeping them.

 

Man I miss lost. I with I got into this show in 2010, so I can watch all of it at once and not be forced to come up with stupid explanations like this!

[phillybear 366]

I have a theory that I'm working on, a comprehensive explantion that explains the Lost universe and everything in it. I'm trying to flesh it out a bit. I'll post it by next week.

[RicemanX 20]

I have a theory that I'm working on, a comprehensive explantion that explains the Lost universe and everything in it. I'm trying to flesh it out a bit. I'll post it by next week.

Less theory, more "good morning geeks".

[phillybear 366]

Less theory, more "good morning geeks".

 

I try to do them once a week, usually Fridays.

[kutulu 1,676]

Man I miss lost. I with I got into this show in 2010, so I can watch all of it at once and not be forced to come up with stupid explanations like this!

 

 

'Lost' won't end 'with a blackout'

 

NEW YORK -- Even after Sunday's controversial conclusion to "The Sopranos," two "Lost" executive producers said Wednesday that they weren't planning a murky ending to their hit ABC drama.

 

"We will not be ending with a blackout," executive producer Carlton Cuse told an audience gathered in Midtown Manhattan for the second day of Promax/BDA's annual conference.

 

He and co-creator Damon Lindelof answered questions -- but not any of those questions -- and said that they do have an ending for the show that was fleshed out along with the last three seasons during a recently completed writers' "minicamp" before the start of production in August.

 

"Lost" will end in spring 2010 after 48 more hourlong episodes, 16 per season. Lindelof said "Lost" has to move from asking more questions to answering the questions posed during the series' run.

 

"Obviously, we can't wait to the 48th hour to say, 'Here are all the mysteries of the show,' " Lindelof said. But Cuse also noted the reality of the sometimes vociferous and heavily engaged viewership of the show, which uses the Web to advance theories and post explanations and even freeze-frames to parse further meaning.

 

"I'm not sure there is any ending that will satisfy everyone," Cuse said. "Our hope is that the ending will be ... the logical conclusion of the story."

 

Cuse said the first season was about the Oceanic Flight 815 survivors landing on the island and realizing they weren't going to get rescued. The second season was about the hatch, and the third season was about the Others.

 

"Next season, well, we'll talk about that later," Cuse said.

 

While "Lost" viewers will have to wait till next year to see the next TV episodes, Cuse and Lindelof said in the fall there will be a series of "Lost" mobisodes featuring the entire cast and rolling out first on Verizon Wireless and then probably appearing on ABC.com. They said they're keenly aware of the eight-month gap between last month's finale and the return of "Lost" at the beginning of next year.

 

"How do you keep the show alive in the minds of the audience in that time?" Cuse asked. They're also planning to go back to San Diego's Comic-Con International, where the show was launched, to address May's Season 3 finale and what they had in mind.

 

Cuse said the mobisodes, about 90 seconds each, will give the hardcore "Lost" viewer more information that they probably weren't going to get through the show itself. What it won't be, they said, was a mini version of "Lost."

 

"It needs to be interesting enough and well produced enough that people feel they're getting enough bang for their buck, even if it's free, the bang for their time," Lindelof said.

 

Lindelof said the negotiations for the talent took a long time, but they wanted to make sure that all of them were involved in the mobisodes.

 

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?' You want to see Jack and Kate. It's taken us three years to get those deals in place," Lindelof said.

 

Cuse said that being a showrunner now is much different than it was 10 years ago. "You have to be more of a brand manager," he said. He said there are 37 ancillary parts to the "Lost" brand from T-shirts to mobile phone applications to a planned video game. It led to a discussion of several missteps, including the tie-in novel "Bad Twin" that Cuse said didn't meet their bar and the introduction of two previously unseen survivors, Nikki and Paulo.

 

The characters came out of "Lost" viewers' questions about why the show focused only on the same 12 characters and not the "socks," the unnamed survivors who provide the background around the camp. Cuse said "socks" comes from the term "sock puppets," which the writers call the extras.

 

"We're like, 'Trust us, you don't care about those guys,' " Lindelof joked.

 

They said they realized almost immediately that adding Nikki and Paulo was a mistake, even before the viewer outcry. Many of the scenes they shot would get cut on the editing room floor, not because of the actors but because they were concerned about how they fit into the story. Lindelof said that it was a lesson for the writers to stay true to the show's vision even if the viewers don't seem to like it.

 

"We buried them alive," Cuse said of Nikki and Paulo. "OK, you guys don't like Nikki and Paulo, there.

 

By Paul J. Gough

 

June 14, 2007

hollywoodreporter.com

[indybearsfan 0]

I think Adam and eve are Rose and Her husband. I believe they hold the stones of the others colors. I believe they refuse to leave the island out of fear that rose's cancer will return.