Patriots will Go 16-0 and then win the Superbowl.

[JScott 20]

For those Pats homers not paying attention the last few years, Moss sucks.

 

Scooter I know you're not a Pats fan by any means, but Moss doesn't suck. He was completely disgruntled in OAK, taking plays off, not running routes, in general just not caring. But look at that the situation, it was similar to Dillon in Cincy. He was tired seeing the Cincy brass not bringing in "help". He was disgruntled (not saying he took plays off), was thought of as a locker room "cancer", came to the Pats I believe at 30 years of age and had one of his best seasons. Who knows with Moss, but IMO he dogged it on OAK because of the losing ways, and him not seeing it get any better. Yes, that's a terrible attitude, one which I believe can be turned around or at least minimized by this Patriots locker room. Moss might be a lot of things but he's not stupid/blind. He plays in the NFL and knows what this Patriot team is about. I don't think for a minute he feels he can come in here, pull the same crap that he did in OAK and stay with this team. He'll be cut and he knows it. BUT all this says nothing of his skills. Has he probably lost a step, sure. But losing a step from what he was is still very, very good.

 

I think you know that I'm not one of the Pats fans here with homer glasses on. This could blow up in their face, but if it does they still have a good to very good corp of WRs besides Moss and if they have to cut him all they lose is a 4th rounder. This is a low risk, high reward move, like it or not.

[DBZFan2K 0]

If cooter thinks its a bad idea, then we know that Belioli have struck PURE GOLD!!!

I think the fact that they didn't take a CB in the first four rounds bodes well for the Samuel situation, but then again, they did sign Tory James.

 

Unless Hobbs really steps up his game and James becomes Tyrone Poole circa 2003, I don't see any way the James signing has any real impact. I like having him in for depth purposes but then again I thought it was fine for them to have Eric Warfield and he didn't even make the team, so who knows how that will turn out. All I hope is that however the Samuel situation turns out that it is resolved fairly soon so that it doesn't become a distraction of any kind during the season like the Branch thing was early last season.

[nobody 2,673]

What if Samuel holds out and demands a trade?

Then he hates America.

[football_scooter 0]

Scooter I know you're not a Pats fan by any means,

 

I'm also not a Pats hater. In some ways I am a Pats fan...went to a rival high school of Brady's, and rooted for them in the superbowl(s).

 

I think you know that I'm not one of the Pats fans here with homer glasses on. This could blow up in their face, but if it does they still have a good to very good corp of WRs besides Moss and if they have to cut him all they lose is a 4th rounder. This is a low risk, high reward move, like it or not.

 

 

It is indeed a low risk medium reward scenario - I just think Moss is old and fragile now. The one time he went across the middle as a Raider, he took a hit that laid him out for a month+. After that I can't remember seeing him look anything like the Moss of old.

 

I don't think he's just lost a step - I think he's lost 5 or 10 steps making him a middle of the road WR.

 

We'll see - the Pats are offensive geniuses, so I can't imagine that they won't figure out how to use him. But the 1400/17 TD Randy Moss is something for the history books. This is the 900/10 TD Moss, and that's with a great year from him playing 14 games.

 

Then he hates America.

 

 

That's actually very humorous.

[dominus florenzus 0]

I have a feeling you could plug alot of qbs in the offense and they would be fine. 16-0 babay!!!!!!!!!!!

Is Vinny still on the roster??? He is my pick for super bowl MVP :-)

[JScott 20]

This is the 900/10 TD Moss, and that's with a great year from him playing 14 games.

Agreed on his number projections.

[Big_Pete 0]

I'm just really, really, REALLY hoping that this is gonna be a curse much like with Dan Snyder... trying to buy a championship team.

Gawd I hope it backfires and "the best team on paper" is mediocre.

[Chuck_Dizzle 0]

I agree. 16-0 best team on paper and best team on Sundays.

 

The only problem is is that they don't play games on paper. Moss will destroy this team, he is a cancer and should be isolated as soon as possible.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

wow - with logic like that put forth to dispute my contentions, who could argue?

 

I invite your counterpoint - please explain why Moss puts the Pats over the top. I'm all ears. Or you could just sit there in your mother's basement hurling insults like an ignorant turd instead - your choice.

 

 

I think you know that I'm not one of the Pats fans here with homer glasses on. This could blow up in their face, but if it does they still have a good to very good corp of WRs besides Moss and if they have to cut him all they lose is a 4th rounder. This is a low risk, high reward move, like it or not.

 

 

If Moss turns out to be an absolute cancer, which I doubt he will, the Pats will just cut him loose, and they'll still have far more weapons than they did last year!

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

I really believe no team in the NFL can stop our offense next year. We have too much flexibility and too many options.

 

The WR corp went from one of the least talented to one of the most talented groups. last year Caldwell was our #1 and Jabar Gafney was our #1 in the playoffs and right now they are our #5 and #6!! I see the depth chart as Randy, Donte, TroyBrown/Wes Welker as 3 and 3A. Caldwell/Gaffney as 5/5A. Add in a stud TE in Ben Watson and RB in Maroney and the always reliable veteran Kevin Faulk and 3 talented young players, TE Dave Thomas, RB Garret Mills and WR Chad Jackson and we are stacked on Offense.

 

Let's talk about this myth that our defense is getting old. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Patriots let up the least amount of pts in franchise history? Weren't Bruschi and Vrabel the starting LB's on that team? I saw one game where they looked old. The Indy game. I blame the coaches for that, they never adjusted. Chicago looked awful against Indy as well. Is Urlacher old? They are older, but they were a good enough D to win a SuperBowl last year and they were the best D in terms of pts allowed in franchise history.

 

Brady is going to have open slot receivers, Troy Brown, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, Dave Thomas, and open swing passes and screens for Faulk and Maroney all season long because teams have to double either Moss or Stallworth. If they don't Brady is going to go over the top all season long.

 

I'm betting on them going undefeated.

[markf 0]

Wow. Sure are a LOT of expectations getting set pretty high in here. As a Colts guy, I couldn't be happier with the Pats being inked in for the Super Bowl win. Let the rest of us AFC teams fly under the radar for awhile. What you guys may be forgetting from the AFCCG is that... I know it's hard to accept... but Brady had several mis-reads and overthrows. Not saying Brady will always have down games like that, but he's already shown to be a hot-head when things don't go his way (Yelling at his own guys. Throwing water bottles. Etc...) and Moss really does NOT like to be yelled at. Powderkeg comes to mind.

 

Again, not trying to detract here... there's no doubt the Pats caught a huge break when Kiffin decided to dump Moss for chump change. And Moss will clearly help them win some games. Just have to wonder if he'll also cost them a few in the process.

 

Again, just my opinion.

[TD Ryan2 316]

lots of emotion and very little logic being tossed arounf in this thread.

 

1. No, I don't like the Pats being "the best team on paper"... there's no place to go but down for us NE fans. As of today, anything short of a SB will will be a disappointment. In years past ('01, '03, and last year), NE has overachieved... even last year, making the AFC Championship was a pleasant surprise.

 

2. Anyone trying to argue that Moss, for a 4th rounder and taking a $6mil paycut on a 1 year deal isn't Christmas morning for NE is completely delusional. Randy Moss has never been so cheap or expendable for a team. NE was giddy to have Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney, and Caldwell... throwing Moss into that mix and knowing that if he focks up, you can cut him and suffer little to no long-term ramifications!?

 

3. and dear God... NE is loaded for next year's draft too.

nobody (the poster) is winning this thread... everything he's posting is true.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Wow. Sure are a LOT of expectations getting set pretty high in here. As a Colts guy, I couldn't be happier with the Pats being inked in for the Super Bowl win. Let the rest of us AFC teams fly under the radar for awhile. What you guys may be forgetting from the AFCCG is that... I know it's hard to accept... but Brady had several mis-reads and overthrows. Not saying Brady will always have down games like that, but he's already shown to be a hot-head when things don't go his way (Yelling at his own guys. Throwing water bottles. Etc...) and Moss really does NOT like to be yelled at. Powderkeg comes to mind.

 

Again, not trying to detract here... there's no doubt the Pats caught a huge break when Kiffin decided to dump Moss for chump change. And Moss will clearly help them win some games. Just have to wonder if he'll also cost them a few in the process.

 

Again, just my opinion.

 

Ummm bro. In the AFC Championship Game Peyton had more misreads and bad throws then Brady. In fact Peyton almost singlehandeldly threw the game away. Furthermore you can't really count Brady's interception to end the game since he was clearly forcing the ball down field with very limited time.

 

Brady does not yell at his guys and throw water bottles either. Are you living in a dream world or just stupid?

 

The reason the Pats lost to the Colts is two fold. 1) The NFL handed the colts a win. 2) Belichik and his coordinators didn't adjust the offensive or defensive game at halftime. Dungy did. We got outcoached not outplayed. Brady was fine in that game and you are just foolish.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Ummm bro. In the AFC Championship Game Peyton had more misreads and bad throws then Brady. In fact Peyton almost singlehandeldly threw the game away. Furthermore you can't really count Brady's interception to end the game since he was clearly forcing the ball down field with very limited time.

 

Brady does not yell at his guys and throw water bottles either. Are you living in a dream world or just stupid?

 

The reason the Pats lost to the Colts is two fold. 1) The NFL handed the colts a win. 2) Belichik and his coordinators didn't adjust the offensive or defensive game at halftime. Dungy did. We got outcoached not outplayed. Brady was fine in that game and you are just foolish.

 

You make the statement bolded above and then call SOMEONE ELSE "stupid" and "foolish"?

[Reality 3,121]

Ummm bro. In the AFC Championship Game Peyton had more misreads and bad throws then Brady. In fact Peyton almost singlehandeldly threw the game away. Furthermore you can't really count Brady's interception to end the game since he was clearly forcing the ball down field with very limited time.

 

Brady does not yell at his guys and throw water bottles either. Are you living in a dream world or just stupid?

 

The reason the Pats lost to the Colts is two fold. 1) The NFL handed the colts a win. 2) Belichik and his coordinators didn't adjust the offensive or defensive game at halftime. Dungy did. We got outcoached not outplayed. Brady was fine in that game and you are just foolish.

 

 

The word "Tool" comes to mind..

[KSB2424 3,148]

Patriot Fan = Yankee Fan

 

A lil' ironic don't cha think?

[Dr. Octopus 0]

The Patriots have certainly improved their team and are surely one of the favorites to win it all, but lets not forget the AFC has some very strong teams:

 

Indianapolis

San Diego

Denver

Cincinnati

Baltimore

New York

Jacksonville

Pittsburgh

 

 

Any one of these teams are capable of beating the Pats. Right now I'd put New England at the top of this list, but lets not get too carried away.

[markf 0]

Brady does not yell at his guys and throw water bottles either. Are you living in a dream world or just stupid?

 

 

Do... do you actually watch NE football games? You're telling me you've never seen these things happen? Because the rest of the nation has been treated to both, and pretty recently too.

[football_scooter 0]

 

The word "Tool" comes to mind..

 

 

Actually, I had two words: "giant tool".

 

Patriot Fan = Yankee Fan

 

A lil' ironic don't cha think?

 

 

Actually, it makes perfect sense. Both fanbases are chock full of bandwagoners. Kinda like how everyone was wearing Chicago Bulls starter jackets during the Jordan era. People in CA sporting Bulls jackets - those "fans" claiming to have been Bulls fans for decades. Right. It was a laugh. Everybody loves a winner.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I really believe no team in the NFL can stop our offense next year. We have too much flexibility and too many options.

 

The WR corp went from one of the least talented to one of the most talented groups. last year Caldwell was our #1 and Jabar Gafney was our #1 in the playoffs and right now they are our #5 and #6!! I see the depth chart as Randy, Donte, TroyBrown/Wes Welker as 3 and 3A. Caldwell/Gaffney as 5/5A. Add in a stud TE in Ben Watson and RB in Maroney and the always reliable veteran Kevin Faulk and 3 talented young players, TE Dave Thomas, RB Garret Mills and WR Chad Jackson and we are stacked on Offense.

 

Let's talk about this myth that our defense is getting old. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Patriots let up the least amount of pts in franchise history? Weren't Bruschi and Vrabel the starting LB's on that team? I saw one game where they looked old. The Indy game. I blame the coaches for that, they never adjusted. Chicago looked awful against Indy as well. Is Urlacher old? They are older, but they were a good enough D to win a SuperBowl last year and they were the best D in terms of pts allowed in franchise history.

 

Brady is going to have open slot receivers, Troy Brown, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, Dave Thomas, and open swing passes and screens for Faulk and Maroney all season long because teams have to double either Moss or Stallworth. If they don't Brady is going to go over the top all season long.

 

I'm betting on them going undefeated.

 

Jesus, man. I'm as Pats homerish as they come, but that is ridiculous. Betting on them going 16-0, when only one other team in NFL history has ever had an undefeated season? Thats just crazy. Lets not forget the following factors against them:

• Very tough schedule
  
• No depth or speed at ILB
  
• Little depth at CB
  
• Little depth at RB, Maroney injury prone
  
• Many new pieces that have to come together
  
• Possible distractions (Samuel unhappy, Belichick's last year?)
  
• Unreasonable expectations
  

Now some of those might not even be an issue, but my point is that, as good as the team is, they are only an injury and/or a controversy away from very big problems.

 

Actually, it makes perfect sense. Both fanbases are chock full of bandwagoners. Kinda like how everyone was wearing Chicago Bulls starter jackets during the Jordan era. People in CA sporting Bulls jackets - those "fans" claiming to have been Bulls fans for decades. Right. It was a laugh. Everybody loves a winner.

 

Are you insinuating that some of us on this board are bandwagon fans?

[TD Ryan2 316]

the Patriots don't fukking care about going 16-0.

they care about winning the SuperBowl.

 

 

this 16-0 stuff is dumb.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Good to see all the Chowds have waxed up the bandwagon and dusted the sand from their heads after they buried them this past winter. On paper this is the team to beat...but paper doesn't tackle, paper doesn't juke and paper isn't a headcase lined up on both outside positions on your offense.

 

Anybody who ever predicts someone will go 16-0 needs to put down the crackpipe and get some help

[FantasyBowl33 0]

the Patriots don't fukking care about going 16-0.

they care about winning the SuperBowl.

this 16-0 stuff is dumb.

agreed - these signings mean zip until they do it on the field. Looks good now and I am excited but let Brady at least throw a pass to stallworh and Moss first before we annoint them champs!!

[football_scooter 0]

Are you insinuating that some of us on this board are bandwagon fans?

 

Actually I'm not insinuating it. I'm stating it as absolute fact. Not you, and not several others who I know are long-time fans...but there's definately a fair share of 'em, both here and everywhere.

 

I'm sure as a realistic Pats fan you get a little sick of it...I remember the Niners rise to their heyday...used to be we got in, BBQ'd brots, drank beer and threw the football around the parking lot of Candlestick. Win a couple of championships and you see the wine & cheese crowd, who claims to have been fans forever - yeah, just fans that never showed up or supported their team in the dark times. Can't throw the football anymore for fear of hitting somone's Porche or Beamer.

 

I hate bandwagoners of all team affiliation - Pats seem to have some fairly vocal ones is all.

 

But you're all good by me Wormie...never thought of you as unrealistic or a bandwagoner.

 

The jury is still out on BirdBradyBobbyOrr though. I think he was wearing a Steelers hat a couple years ago....and a Cowboys hat in the 90s. And a Niners hat in the 80s.

[TD Ryan2 316]

agreed - these signings mean zip until they do it on the field. Looks good now and I am excited but let Brady at least throw a pass to stallworh and Moss first before we annoint them champs!!

 

 

I am happy because the Pats organization is really doing everything they possibly can to put a winning team on the field... that's what you want out of your organization.

 

But right now, today, there is no place to go but down for NE. Unlike in previous years (even '04 when they won 21 straight), the expectations for NE are higher than ever. It's been nice in the past to sneak up on teams... to have talented teams like the Colts and Chargers shake their head and not understand how they could have lost to NE... but not anymore... anything short of the SB this year and NE fans will be disappointed. I know my expectations are that high.

There is no more "NE has no talent, they do it with scheme"... not this year.

 

This team was one 1st down away from the SuperBowl last year... and now they've added:

- Adalius Thomas (agruably the premier defensive FA)

- Donte Stallworth (arguably the premier wr FA)

- Wes Welker (fantastic fit for their system)

- Randy Moss (among the most physically talented WRs in the NFL)

- Kyle Brady (veteran, blocking TE, former 1st round draft pick)

- Sammy Morris (veteran backup RB who's at least as good as Antowain Smith was)

- Brandon Merriweather (1st round pick, Safety/DB)

- Rodney Harrison (out injured, veteran DB, former All-Pro, team leader)

- Eugene Wilson (rising young star in NE before injury, S/CB)

[FantasyKing 4]

For all the Pats fans confident in their 16-0 record in 2007 - I'll gladly accept a friendly wager of $1K on that not happening. I'll even give you 5-1 odds.

[TD Ryan2 316]

For all the Pats fans confident in their 16-0 record in 2007 - I'll gladly accept a friendly wager of $1K on that not happening. I'll even give you 5-1 odds.

 

 

will ya' take 12 - 4?

maybe 13- 3?

[FantasyKing 4]

will ya' take 12 - 4?

maybe 13- 3?

 

 

lol - no bro, that is easily possible for the Pats this year.

[TD Ryan2 316]

lol - no bro, that is easily possible for the Pats this year.

 

then I hope you understand why I'm thrilled with NE going into this season.

 

16 - 0 don't care and don't think so.

 

 

win the SuperBowl! I really hope so.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm blocked at work, so can anyone go to a betting site and see if they have updated the "Odds to win SB" as of today? TIA

[t.j 35]

Ah, memories. It seems like just yesterday that the the Raiders were the ones who had just acquired Randy Moss and optimism was through the roof. (Most likely, the reason it seems like just yesterday is because we have only won 6 games since then!)

[JScott 20]

For all the Pats fans confident in their 16-0 record in 2007 - I'll gladly accept a friendly wager of $1K on that not happening. I'll even give you 5-1 odds.

There's only one Pats fan who predicted 16-0 and I don't think he honestly believes this (just trying to stir the pot)

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Pats fan's make me nauseous. Its amazing that BB ever gets anything done, what with a line of people around the block to slob his knob at all times.

 

The most ridiculous thing is to hear idiot sportscasters, writers, and Pats fan's talk about doing things "the Patriot Way." What is that? Well step one is the hard part:

 

Step 1: Fluke into choosing a future hall of fame QB on the second day of the draft.

 

After that. its a lot easier.

 

Unfortunately, I have to agree. The pats are the frontrunners. I just hope they lose one early so we don't actually have to listen to this 16-0 crap very long. I also hope Moss becomes the biggest pain in the a** malcontent ever. I mean, I'm talking about returning to form in all his fan mooning, cop vehicular-assaulting glory. I know the "strong patriots locker room" can handle that. Just ask a philly fan what can happen.

[DBZFan2K 0]

Ah, memories. It seems like just yesterday that the the Raiders were the ones who had just acquired Randy Moss and optimism was through the roof. (Most likely, the reason it seems like just yesterday is because we have only won 6 games since then!)

 

I remember that time. I remember a lot of people forgetting that going from Daunte Culpepper to Kerry Collins was a pretty big downgrade that others were overlooking. What is Collins up to these days?

[bigtuna 0]

The Pats won 25 in a row a couple years back with David Givens and Deoin Branch.

 

16 in a row with Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss and Wes Welker is well within reason.

 

 

They will be favored in every game including at Indy. Kelvin Hayden on Randy Moss will be exciting to watch.

 

Randy to Brady: "Tom, this guy covering me is 5'7", and the safety over the top is 5'8"....just throw it in the area, and we are talking 6 points"

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

The Pats won 25 in a row a couple years back with David Givens and Deoin Branch.

 

16 in a row with Donte Stallworth, Randy Moss and Wes Welker is well within reason.

They will be favored in every game including at Indy. Kelvin Hayden on Randy Moss will be exciting to watch.

 

Randy to Brady: "Tom, this guy covering me is 5'7", and the safety over the top is 5'8"....just throw it in the area, and we are talking 6 points"

 

 

I thought you were just foolin' around and fishing at first. But I actually think you may be serious.

[JScott 20]

Pats fan's make me nauseous. Its amazing that BB ever gets anything done, what with a line of people around the block to slob his knob at all times.

 

The most ridiculous thing is to hear idiot sportscasters, writers, and Pats fan's talk about doing things "the Patriot Way." What is that? Well step one is the hard part:

 

Step 1: Fluke into choosing a future hall of fame QB on the second day of the draft.

 

After that. its a lot easier.

 

Unfortunately, I have to agree. The pats are the frontrunners. I just hope they lose one early so we don't actually have to listen to this 16-0 crap very long. I also hope Moss becomes the biggest pain in the a** malcontent ever. I mean, I'm talking about returning to form in all his fan mooning, cop vehicular-assaulting glory. I know the "strong patriots locker room" can handle that. Just ask a philly fan what can happen.

 

Generalizations like this make me nauseous. ONE Pats fan makes a post like this, one which no other real (grounded) fan agrees with and you make a blanket statement about all of us

[TD Ryan2 316]

Generalizations like this make me nauseous. ONE Pats fan makes a post like this, one which no other real (grounded) fan agrees with and you make a blanket statement about all of us

 

 

 

F' 'em

 

Let's take this even one step further then.

The Brady, Montana comparisons will become even more appropriate:

 

Everyone knows that Montana won titles long before Jerry Rice ever even arrived in SF. It wasn't until Rice arrived and the whole 49ers Dynasty reached its crescendo that we fully understood what we were witnessing.

 

And now it's happening all over again in NE, except in a salary cap era (which makes it even more impressive).

 

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Randy to Brady: "Tom, this guy covering me is 5'7", and the safety over the top is 5'8"....just throw it in the area, and we are talking 6 points"

 

 

And so it begins. "Randy to Brady"......it's the beginning of the end of the Patriots b/c Randy's dictating what will happen.

 

[football_scooter 0]

 

F' 'em

 

Let's take this even one step further then.

The Brady, Montana comparisons will become even more appropriate:

 

Everyone knows that Montana won titles long before Jerry Rice ever even arrived in SF. It wasn't until Rice arrived and the whole 49ers Dynasty reached its crescendo that we fully understood what we were witnessing.

 

And now it's happening all over again in NE, except in a salary cap era (which makes it even more impressive).

 

 

slight flaw with this theory: Pats haven't won sh!t in 3 years.

 

Also, Montana >>>>> Brady

 

Proof?

Montana in the playoffs - down a score, and less than 2 mins on the clock....drive drive drive drive, TD.

 

Brady Vs San Diego in the playoffs, down a score with less than 2 mins to go: drive drive drive INTERCEPTION! (((miracle fumble/fumble recovery))) Pats get a gift win.

 

Next week, Pats down a score, less than 2 mins on the clock, drive drive drive drive INTERCEPTION! Game ovah.

 

Montana >>>>>> Brady

 

Brady = choker. The kind of guy who can drive 40 yds for a field goal, but can't put one in the end zone when it matters the most.

 

And yes, this post is 100% in response to the idiocy I quoted above, and is not directed at all Pats fans.