Hillary Clinton - She really is our next President isn't she ...

[The Moz 72]

I guess I was just tuning it out or whatever but I had thought this whole Hillary thing was a joke and she had no chance to actually win. I figured the American Public couldn't really be that stupid to elect this person. Okay I am off there as we did elect GWB to a 2nd term and even as a republican I must say is the worst president of my lifetime. ( going back to 73 ) . Hillary might be even worse than GWB - My Family lives in Park Ridge ( where HRC grew up ) and most people can't stand her there - Except for Maine (south) HS which just wants her to say the President went there.

 

Now looking at the News Hillary is a lock to get the Dem Nomination and is a gigantic favorite over whoever runs against her in national election. How can the choice be so damn shitty to have to elect Hillary ? Actually Romney is pretty decent but he's Mormon and would be crucified for that alone , Rudy has as many illicit affairs and skeletons in his past as BILL Clinton has/had , McCain is dull, old and noone wants him. Only Rudy has a chance and thats a outside chance.

 

Why can't 2 people that could actually make a difference and that you would be proud to vote for ( at least IMO ) be running like Evan Bayr against Colin Powell election. Instead its a HRC against Rudy(maybe Romney) election - didn't our dumbasses learn a thing from Bush for 8 years ? Welcome to having universal healthcare shoved down our throats - My inlaws live in Montreal when they get really sick they come here ! Yeah you get to see a doctor fast enough but for treatment - take a number and wait.

 

Damn its really going to be President Hillary Clinton

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Relax and have a beer.

 

50% of registered voters are on record saying they will NEVER vote for this ######. No way she overcomes that hurdle...........even using her bioniic cank;les.

[kutulu 1,724]

Maybe Bill will be her VP...Then after some sniper takes her out we can get 8 more years of cigars and sluts in the White House.

[NorthernVike 2,109]

Maybe Bill will be her VP...Then after some sniper takes her out we can get 8 more years of cigars in sluts in the White House.

 

 

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[The Moz 72]

Maybe Bill will be her VP...Then after some sniper takes her out we can get 8 more years of cigars and sluts in the White House.

 

Or we just elect Rudy - and he would seperate from whoever his wife was at the time a year in then move his mistress in the white house ( with his wife still there ). Maybe not as pornographic as Bill but would be just as entertaining .

[gocolts 300]

You would think we, as a country, could have someone in the white house not named Clinton or Bush. Don't we have other qualified people that can run that don't have the name Bush or Clinton.

 

Bush 4 years

Clinton 8 years

Bush 8 years

 

That is 20 years of two families ruling us. If Hilary gets the nod, not only would we be focked, we we could have 28 years of two families running this country into the ground. I don't think we can survive that. WTF is this, the two royal families?????

[mjj 0]

Good people can't make it in politics.

 

Even when a fresh face comes along, he/she will get made fun of and trounced, a la Perot.

 

 

Regarding George Washington's farewell address:Two-thirds of the Address is devoted to domestic matters and the rise of political parties, and Washington set out his vision of what would make the United States a truly great nation. He called for men to put aside party and unite for the common good, an "American character" wholly free of foreign attachments. The United States must concentrate only on American interests, and while the country ought to be friendly and open its commerce to all nations, it should avoid becoming involved in foreign wars. Contrary to some opinion, Washington did not call for isolation, only the avoidance of entangling alliances. While he called for maintenance of the treaty with France signed during the American Revolution, the problems created by that treaty ought to be clear. The United States must "act for ourselves and not for others."

 

The Address quickly entered the realm of revealed truth. It was for decades read annually in Congress; it was printed in children's primers, engraved on watches and woven into tapestries. Many Americans, especially in subsequent generations, accepted Washington's advice as gospel, and in any debate between neutrality and involvement in foreign issues would invoke the message as dispositive of all questions. Not until 1949, in fact, would the United States again sign a treaty of alliance with a foreign nation.

 

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/49.htm

[Voltaire 5,537]

I don't hate Hillary. She just seems like too much of an establishment insider. And she hasn't really accomplished much on her own. Normally, I'd really like McCain or Guiliani, but this Iraqi war is an anchor around their necks. I'm having a real hard time with that, but I could still vote for McCain because everyhing else clicks. Really, I'm still super-pissed at the GOP and don't think they've served the required penance.

 

I'll likely vote for Hillary. I think what this country needs most of all is an exorcism of all things Bush and only a Dem will have the extreme vigor, energy and glee required for the task. Yeah, for me in a lot of ways it's still a requium on anti-Bush.

 

I really don't have an ideology anymore. I thought Newt Gingrich's Contract With America was excellent and I was fully onboard at the time but the GOP didn't carry through on any of it even thought they controled the government for six years. It was totally abandoned and left me disillusioned. Instead they embraced borrow and spend to run up the deficit, Jeebus politics, ignored the environment, and extreme ass stoopid foreign policy. I look at them and I have nothing in common anymore.

 

The Dems, even though I've never liked what they do, at least they are willing to make the unpopular choices on taxes to pay for their spending. Not that I like it or any of their programs very much, but I respect it. The irresponsibility of massive GOP budget deficits drove me mad, I'm still extremly pissed. I've not forgiven them.

 

After two years of the Dems possibly going overboard, I may be willing to consider the GOP again in the '10 middterms. Maybe.

[Bill E. 703]

I'll likely vote for Hillary. I think what this country needs most of all is an exorcism of all things Bush and only a Dem will have the extreme vigor, energy and glee required for the task. Yeah, for me in a lot of ways it's still a requium on anti-Bush.

 

I really don't have an ideology anymore. I thought Newt Gingrich's Contract With America was excellent and I was fully onboard at the time but the GOP didn't carry through on any of it even thought they controled the government for six years. It was totally abandoned and left me disillusioned. Instead they embraced borrow and spend to run up the deficit, Jeebus politics, ignored the environment, and extreme ass stoopid foreign policy. I look at them and I have nothing in common anymore.

 

The Dems, even though I've never liked what they do, at least they are willing to make the unpopular choices on taxes to pay for their spending. Not that I like it or any of their programs very much, but I respect it. The irresponsibility of massive GOP budget deficits drove me mad, I'm still extremly pissed. I've not forgiven them.

 

After two years of the Dems possibly going overboard, I may be willing to consider the GOP again in the '10 middterms. Maybe.

 

I can buy into part of what you said. The R's betrayed us time and time again. In '92 a big piece of the Contract was term limits and you never heard word one about it when they took over. That more than anything would have made Congress a better institution. Now entrenched career politicians on both sides lead powerful committees and anyone with a fresh idea must keep his mouth shut or risk infuriating party leadership.

 

But I can not vote for Hillery under any circumstance. Bush was way off on spending but I would bet everything that I have that Hillery will be worse. Every spending program that Bush came up with some Democrat leader would say that it was not enough. Raising taxes on anyone is a sure fire way to worsen the recession. I can live with Giuliani or Romney. I do not care if he is a Mormon he knows how to run a business. i do not care about Giuliani's personal life any more than I cared about Bill Clinton's. They are not perfect but I see them as better than the alternative.

[kilroy69 1,274]

I have said it before. I think the dems are damn near throwing the election. They have a great shot to take the white house back from the republicans and they trot out a black muslim and a woman as the people that they think can best win. They are going to drive people to vote republican.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Raising taxes on anyone is a sure fire way to worsen the recession.

 

We are in a recession?

[The Moz 72]

I have said it before. I think the dems are damn near throwing the election. They have a great shot to take the white house back from the republicans and they trot out a black muslim and a woman as the people that they think can best win. They are going to drive people to vote republican.

 

 

Obama may sound like Osama but he is a Christian. I really don't care for him though. Dems could have put Bayr or Wagner out there and really had a person people could get behind in both parties. Why Hillary I have no idea. But even Hillary right now seems like like a lock for at least the gen election if not the whole thing.

 

Rudy and Romney ( the only 2 people that are really in it on the gop ) have huge areas for the dems to attack -- Rudy - he is basically just barley a few steps right of Lieberman if that much - he basically is for the war and liberal on almost all social issues - on top of having a shady past with women to rival Bill. Romney - is actually a business genius and a good politician -- he is Mormon and the Mormon church has a racial past as well as other things Christian mainstreamers don't like. I actually think Romney would be a great president but he would never get elected.

 

We could of had a Bloomberg / Bayr election that wuld have been greta - seems like the best people just wont run.

[MDC 8,210]

I never thought Hillary would get this far either, but right now I'd call her the odds on favorite. She's running away with the Dem nomination, she'll have more $$$ to spend than any candidate, and the Republicans have run a very flawed field of candidates. Everything is lined up for her if she continues to run a strong campaign.

 

Hillary isn't my choice, I'd sooner vote for Obama or Ron Paul. Even Romney has some redeeming characteristics. But I will vote for her over Rudy Giuliani, who seems to be completely underqualified, lacks the right temperment, and he supports all of George W. Bush's worst policies. Why vote for another 8 years of bullchit? I think a Hillary presidencey would be pretty uneventful.

[Big_Pete 0]

I'm moving to a different country if she is elected!

I'll just abandon everything I own and leave.

of this I can guarantee

[BLS 315]

I'm moving to a different country if she is elected!

I'll just abandon everything I own and leave.

of this I can guarantee

 

 

I hear ALOT of Ron Paul supporters who say the same thing...

 

Why not fight for your country then, instead of just giving up and leaving?

 

I realize you're being a touch facetious.....but isn't our country worth fighting for anymore?

[Big_Pete 0]

I hear ALOT of Ron Paul supporters who say the same thing...

 

Why not fight for your country then, instead of just giving up and leaving?

 

I realize you're being a touch facetious.....but isn't our country worth fighting for anymore?

I fought for our contry already.

what are we gonna do if she's elected? get a militia (our right) to march on washington and take it back "for the people?"

that won't work.

I don't know .... I just don't know.

leaving and refusing to come back till after the darkest hours of our country are over with seems like the best plan.

[Bill E. 703]

We are in a recession?

By the time someone takes over in 09 we will be in one. People have been spending too much over the last few years and it is all coming due. Spending will have to slow down, jobs will be lost etc. Our dollar is worth less than the Canadian's. When have you seen that? Raising taxes will make things worse but I doubt that will stop her. she will just raise taxes and say that it is all Bush's fault ala Bill C. 1991. "I wanted to lower taxes but I did not know that GHB left us in such bad shape... so pay up bitches."

[Artist Formerly Known as Big O 0]

I'm moving to a different country if she is elected!

I'll just abandon everything I own and leave.

of this I can guarantee

 

We can only hope........

[gocolts 300]

I never thought Hillary would get this far either, but right now I'd call her the odds on favorite. She's running away with the Dem nomination, she'll have more $$$ to spend than any candidate, and the Republicans have run a very flawed field of candidates. Everything is lined up for her if she continues to run a strong campaign.

 

Hillary isn't my choice, I'd sooner vote for Obama or Ron Paul. Even Romney has some redeeming characteristics. But I will vote for her over Rudy Giuliani, who seems to be completely underqualified, lacks the right temperment, and he supports all of George W. Bush's worst policies. Why vote for another 8 years of bullchit? I think a Hillary presidencey would be pretty uneventful.

So you wouldn't vote for Giuliani(neither would I) because he is completely under qualified, but you would vote for Hillary????

 

She is the least qualified of them all. Obama is second in that sense.

[VikesFan 1]

Honestly, the only Republican that Hillary cannot beat is Ron Paul. The rest are either Hillary clones, and none will bring out the religious right. Say what you want about them, but a lot of them will stay home if any of the other front runners are elected.

[The Moz 72]

The only person who would actually do a really good job is Romney - but people won't vote for a Mormon. Hillary would bring up all the racist history and Romey would never recover. Let alone he would be spending all his time defending his religion than debating the issues. Too bad too as I think he would make a great president as the man is a financial genius and would be GREAT for the economy.

[Voltaire 5,537]

The only person who would actually do a really good job is Romney - but people won't vote for a Mormon. Hillary would bring up all the racist history and Romey would never recover. Let alone he would be spending all his time defending his religion than debating the issues. Too bad too as I think he would make a great president as the man is a financial genius and would be GREAT for the economy.

 

I don't like Romney for the massive pandering redily apparent in his flip flopping. Not that I ever gave a fock about abortion or gay rights one way or the other. If I were running for governor of Massacusetts, I'd fake being gay-friendly and pro-choice too. On the other hand, if I were running for the GOP presidential nomination, I'd be pretending to follow the pro-life, anti-gay message. I would be willing to do either because I absolutly don't give two farts about either issue, but I'd know the morons who do are the ones controling the pivotal votes I'd need to win.

 

Romney should be smart enough to understand that you can't run for both governor of Massachusetts and the GOP presidential nomination in the same lifetime. You can't just change your stripes on dumb issue you don't care about to suit the prevailing winds. You look like a wishywashy spineless hypocrit. Contrast that to Guiliani who has the balls the be consistent.

[The Moz 72]

I don't like Romney for the massive pandering redily apparent in his flip flopping. Not that I ever gave a fock about abortion or gay rights one way or the other. If I were running for governor of Massacusetts, I'd fake being gay-friendly and pro-choice too. On the other hand, if I were running for the GOP presidential nomination, I'd be pretending to follow the pro-life, anti-gay message. I would be willing to do either because I absolutly don't give two farts about either issue, but I'd know the morons who do are the ones controling the pivotal votes I'd need to win.

 

Romney should be smart enough to understand that you can't run for both governor of Massachusetts and the GOP presidential nomination in the same lifetime. You can't just change your stripes on dumb issue you don't care about to suit the prevailing winds. You look like a wishywashy spineless hypocrit. Contrast that to Guiliani who has the balls the be consistent.

 

 

wishy washy maybe - but thats being a politician. Damn is it any worse than some of the BS the other have done ?

[Rattlesnake 0]

leaving and refusing to come back till after the darkest hours of our country are over with seems like the best plan.

 

You should've left a few years ago, if this is your line of thinking.......

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

You would think we, as a country, could have someone in the white house not named Clinton or Bush. Don't we have other qualified people that can run that don't have the name Bush or Clinton.

 

Bush 4 years

Clinton 8 years

Bush 8 years

 

That is 20 years of two families ruling us. If Hilary gets the nod, not only would we be focked, we we could have 28 years of two families running this country into the ground. I don't think we can survive that. WTF is this, the two royal families?????

 

The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves with this oligarchy.

 

 

Outside of Ron Paul, the rest are garbage on both sides of the aisle. Joe Biden, please.....go back to Delaware.

[Voltaire 5,537]

The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves with this oligarchy.

 

 

Outside of Ron Paul, the rest are garbage on both sides of the aisle. Joe Biden, please.....go back to Delaware.

 

I've said all along that anybody- from Hillary to Biden to Kuchinich, from Guliani to Huckabee to Tancredo- would be a huge mammoth improvement of what we have now and that it's only a matter of degree about how deleriously happy I'll be on January 20, 2009. I just don't see anybody that comes close to sucking as badly as we have now.

 

So no matter who wins whichever party- I'm going to give that person the benefit of the doubt.

 

THis is about more than just the candidates though. In Michigan, we had a great GOP challenger for the US Senate last year, Mike Bouchard, one who I would normally vote for over Debbie Stabenow, but I just flat refused to vote for any GOP on the national level in 2006. The same may play out in '08. I want the dark clouds to part and the sun to shine. Restoring the constitution and the integrity of the government by cleansing the executive branch of all shreds of Bushtardedness is -for me- a huge issue and the only Republicans I trust to do it are John McCain and Ron Paul. The rest don't seem all that concerned with renouncing the damage Bush has done to the foundations of our country.

 

I do understand though the GOP candidates have to play to their base in the primaries and then come back to the center to appeal to moderates for the general election. When this starts to become the nominee's party, and less Bush's party, I'm going to have to hear some major departures from the Bush line. I've been rooting for the Dems for eight years -at the national level- even though I have little in common with them other than burning hatred of Bush. That's why they have the advantage. I'd love to hear some things out of a GOP nominee that reminds me of Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Daddy Bush, or Ronald Reagan.

[BLS 315]

The only person who would actually do a really good job is Romney - but people won't vote for a Mormon. Hillary would bring up all the racist history and Romey would never recover. Let alone he would be spending all his time defending his religion than debating the issues. Too bad too as I think he would make a great president as the man is a financial genius and would be GREAT for the economy.

 

 

While I'll readily agree that Romney has proven to be a business genius, here's where learning about Ron Paul has taught me a lot I never knew about the economy.

Our country WILL go bankrupt at some point down the road unless monetary policy is reformed completely.

 

Our money is backed by nothing. It used to be backed by gold, which inherently gave it it's 'value' or worth.

Now, it's only worth what OTHER economies across the globe will give us for it. Look at the value of our dollar today vs. other economies, and you will see the value is slipping.

 

When our government doesn't have enough revenue to pay for it's annual spending, they simply print more to cover the deficit.

This is the root of inflation, and it ultimately ROBS you and I of our money and our savings. It debases the currency, and decreases the value.

Since it's apparent that our government has zero intention of stopping this practice, that only proves that one day we will go bankrupt.

 

Look back over history. Every single empire in the world throughout time which used paper currency that had nothing to back that currency ultimately went bankrupt.

Even recently the 'FED' printed up $40 Billion to help out the mortgage companies who are going bankrupt left and right because of defaulting mortgages.

So, because these pop-up mortgage companies gave loans to people who never really could have afforded them are now losing their shirts, the FED prints up money out of thin air, and GIVES it to them (of course...with interest).

 

How is that fair to you and I?

 

We need to aportion a hard money monetary policy or the value of our dollar will crumble.

Currently your dollar bill is worth .04 compared to the purchasing power of 1913.

[Savage Beast 1]

We are in a recession?

 

Who knew?

 

I got a cost of living raise, and a $500 bonus this month? How did I get this in a recession?

[gocolts 300]

I don't think Hitlery will win no matter what. 50% of the country flat out will NOT vote for her. Plus, she will never make it if she is the Dem nominee because the GOP will bring so much of her past to light that people will be shocked at the shiat she has done over the years.

 

WE NEED SOMEONE BESIDES A BUSH OR CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!

[Savage Beast 1]

I don't think Hitlery will win no matter what. 50% of the country flat out will NOT vote for her. Plus, she will never make it if she is the Dem nominee because the GOP will bring so much of her past to light that people will be shocked at the shiat she has done over the years.

 

WE NEED SOMEONE BESIDES A BUSH OR CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!

 

If Hillary wins, there will be a dusty old bush and a Clinton in office.

[MDC 8,210]

So you wouldn't vote for Giuliani(neither would I) because he is completely under qualified, but you would vote for Hillary????

 

She is the least qualified of them all. Obama is second in that sense.

 

They both suck, neither is qualified, but Hillary scares me less. I think a Hillary presidency would be pretty dull - I actually think she'd be a lot more conservative than some Republicans give her credit for. Rudy Giuliani is unqualified too, but he's also the kind of authoritarian bully who'll wipe his ass with the Constitution just like George W. Bush.

[NorthernVike 2,109]

If Hillary wins, there will be a dusty old bush and a Clinton in office.

 

 

 

This should have been posted earlier in the tread so I would not have to read the whole focking thing

[davebg 0]

There are many reasons why people should not vote for Hillary to become POTUS.

 

For some people it's because they don't like the way she gravitates towards what can only be described as socialist ideals and programs.

 

For others it stems from the blatant way she panders to people based upon that day's audience and/or topic.

 

For many it has something to do with the way she has handled (ignored?) Bill's philandering ways merely to not derail her own political ambitions.

 

For a few it even has to do with an irrational fear of cankles.

 

Heck, for some people it's just as simple as the fact that she's a woman.

 

However, the reason to fear Hillary becoming POTUS is because she is exactly what this country DOESN'T need right now. Voltaire has mentioned how he thinks that the number one priority of voters should be to purge the government from all vestiges of the Bush admin. IMO it is more important to try to bridge the chasm that has developed between those who identify themselvs as on the left or right.

 

No matter what you think of Bush or Hillary...Dems or Reps...cankles or cigars...there is no denying that Hillary IS the single most divisive relevant political figure in the US today (I do not consider Bush to be relevant due to his lame duck status.)

 

That divisiveness has been rooning what is left of our political process since the end of Clinton's second term. Four or eight more years of that is a prescription for disaster.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Can't stand Hillary. Would vote for a 3rd term of Bush before I'd vote for her and her cankles.

 

 

Think about it - Say you're from Africa or someplace where there's not a lot of world news. Your teacher tells you the following:

1. Bush #1 only served one term, but he was VP for 8 years. Don't worry though, his son will serve another 8 years even though the majority of people voted for the other guy.
   
2. Bill Clinton served for 8 years. Yes, he was impeached, but not really. No, he can't be President again, but now, his wife may be President.
   

Objectively, wouldn't you think - if this were ANY other country - "How focked up is that place? It's full of corruption and nepotism!"

[Mungwater 601]

Oh man, if she's president, I'm probably going to resign my commission.

 

Our political process is so far away from what was set forth in the summer of 1787 that its almost sickening.