Green Bay Coach and GM

[Joey Gladstone 33]

My life is such a joke and is so void of love and purpose. The only shred of joy I get is from making an army of aliases and ignorantly bashing other team's fanbases. I am more of a parasite then even Sweetness.

 

[donhaas 18]

Oh....I thought I implied I'd do it. I forgot you're a sconny so I'll talk slowly to make sure you get the gist. If....the....price....was....right.....I....would.....trade...any....player.

 

If I could fleece the other team involved, and I was certain Payton was more a name than a player....and I was confident Sanders would be productive, I would have no problem moving Payton.

 

And TT had no problem moving Favre...he went to the Jets after all....but was that the best deal available? Dunno, but it seemed like TT was hedging his bets by trading Favre to the Jets and not even entertaining offers from the Vikings/Bears/Lions.

 

On the flip side...Walter Payton has resurrected your franchise. He has made your team a national draw. You owe a lot of your success as a franchise over the last 14 years to him. You want to part ways because you have Barry Sanders waiting in the wings. Payton agrees to part ways but makes overtures of playing just down the street with your rival. So what do you do? Do you take 30 cents on the dollar to make sure he doesn't play for a rival? Or do you make the best possible deal in order to improve your team? Depending on what you do, are you more PR Director or NFL GM?

 

 

I'm glad you are playing along, but you are completely changing the scenario and there's no knowing what Minn would have given up.... And what makes you think Minn. would do another Herschel Walker when a)nobody else in the league was willing to give up much... and 2) the Packers were not in a position of power in the trade at all....

 

Your answer was funny, however...

 

 

 

But this was the original quote I quoted you on which I have a problem with

 

"But you have to question TT's pettiness in constraining where Favre could play. If he's not good enough to play for you then why do you care if he plays against you? "

 

 

Not letting a HOF QB go to your extremely QB deficient rival is not "petty".... it's just plain "smart"

[FeelingMN 273]

But that's the thing though, TT never entertained offers from any division rival. The Vikings were out of the question all along. Maybe they don't offer a Herscehl Walker type deal...but it's gotta be more than a conditional 3rd, no?

 

And by not trading him to your QB starved division rival, TT accomplished what exactly? A 6-10 record. Third place in the NFC North. All while your QB deprived rival split the season series with you and took the NFC North title.

 

And then they come back the next year and get Favre relatively cheaply.

 

 

My only point is that you should always try to do what's best for your team. I think TT was numb to the idea of trading Favre within the conference, much less within the division. Because of that he possibly didn't get enough in return for Favre.

 

 

 

 

Quick.....who am I?

 

 

 

Ted Thompson watching the Vikings/Packers game. The dude would perhaps be a better evaluator of talent if he blinked.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Rodgers was eating up huge amounts of cap space? No, not really.

And now they have a possible franchise QB developed to move on with life after a legend. Still hilarious that people call that pick a mistake.

He was not an F his first 3 years...he was a backup QB. And it obviously helped him.

And you don't try and build a team around a late 30s QB who has been hinting retirement for a few years.

And love the hindsight of Makins...or a freaking Tight End. Hilarious.

 

 

Sho Nuff. I appreciate that you want to give feedback but make some sense at least.

 

Rodgers was eating up huge amounts of cap space and salary. They gave him 7 million to sit on the bench and do nothing. That's an F. ZERO STATS = an F. I mean come on bro. Are you seriously trying to say that 15 million dollars for sitting on the bench over 3 years is nothing? That makes no sense.

 

As far as developing a franchise QB they had him, ever hear of a guy named BRETT Favre. They developed a franchise QB 5 years too early. It would be like the Colts or the Patriots drafting Claussen in the 1st round this year. This year proves that they were wrong about Favre and they could have built around him. Minnesota puts a solid team around him and he dominates. Green Bay gave up on building around Favre and decided to build for the future. It hasn't worked for 5 years. The last few with Favre because they gave up and created controversy around him and the last two seasons with Rodgers. And don't say Rodgers has worked because he hasn't done S H I T yet. Nothing. Don't quote 13 regular season games, win a clutch game that matters or a playoff game. At this point Green Bay is on the hook to Rodgers for like 80 million bucks. Seriously, 15 for the 1st three years and a new contract for 65 million. That's insane!

 

What the hell are you talking about hindsight? The next few picks included Luis Castillo, Logan Mankins and Heath Miller check the facts all of those picks were 1st round and after Rodgers.

 

I've been saying since the day they made that pick it was terrible. The 3 teams that drafted Castillo (San Diego), Mankins (New England), and Miller (Pittsburgh) placed excellent players around the stars of their teams and have had vastly more success than Green Bay over the last few years. Mankins has been key for the Patriots. He's a Pro Bowler. Miller! Awesome Tight End. Castillo, sick lineman for the Chargers. Those teams built around and have won more than Green Bay. GB made the Rodgers pick and have dealt with controversy and crappy teams.

 

The proof is in the wins and losses. Green Bay has done nothing and the 3 teams I mentioned picked after them and have got more from their picks.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Or the fact that the GM and coaches couldn't plan thier off-season, the draft and free agency with a QB that wouldn't commit to playing the next season until a week or two before it begins? And it not like it did it once. If he was really all about doing what was best for Green Bay while still a Packer, he would still be a Packer. Favre forced them to make a decision since he wouldn't.

 

Who cares? Play with the guy and then when he retires have a season without him and rebuild then. Look at what Minny just did? Seems to have worked out well enough.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

the fact remains..........the vikes are 10-2 with favre and division champs with a season sweep of the pack..........favre is mvp this year............nothing will take that away.

 

Rodgers has potential, but the vikes are clearly better this year and next as well....rodgers has proven nothing yet and favre has proven he is a field general.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

the fact remains..........the vikes are 10-2 with favre and division champs with a season sweep of the pack..........favre is mvp this year............nothing will take that away.

 

Rodgers has potential, but the vikes are clearly better this year and next as well....rodgers has proven nothing yet and favre has proven he is a field general.

 

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

 

It's been 5 years, Green Bay has sucked and Rodgers has rotted on the bench for three of them. Favre is now on the hated Vikings and they are better than Green Bay. Green Bay still has the same problems they had with Favre except Jennings and Driver are years older.

 

I don't even know how anyone could debate this? I'm really at a loss. So far it was a terrible pick. It hasn't panned out. It might have been a great extension, he might have great years going on, but they wasted the pick and they let one of the best QB's of all time go to their rival.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

 

It's been 5 years, Green Bay has sucked and Rodgers has rotted on the bench for three of them. Favre is now on the hated Vikings and they are better than Green Bay. Green Bay still has the same problems they had with Favre except Jennings and Driver are years older.

 

I don't even know how anyone could debate this? I'm really at a loss. So far it was a terrible pick. It hasn't panned out. It might have been a great extension, he might have great years going on, but they wasted the pick and they let one of the best QB's of all time go to their rival.

 

 

they are green bay homers. they do not understand logic and they cant be reasoned with.....

 

I keep asking them if they want to lose a third time to the vikes...........if they somehow beat dallas or the cards then what........a meeting in minny for yet a third beatdown at the hands of favre.

maybe a third loss to the vikes and favre will let it sink it that the rodgers deal and letting favre go was a monumental mistake.......

[Joey Gladstone 33]

they are green bay homers. they do not understand logic and they cant be reasoned with.....

 

I keep asking them if they want to lose a third time to the vikes...........if they somehow beat dallas or the cards then what........a meeting in minny for yet a third beatdown at the hands of favre.

maybe a third loss to the vikes and favre will let it sink it that the rodgers deal and letting favre go was a monumental mistake.......

 

Die alias wh0re

[Sho Nuff 720]

lucky win last night cheese head people..........one and done in the playoffs.........do you guys really want to lose a third time to the vikes this year?

 

Dallas and zona will wipe the floor with you....hth......just saying....

 

Just like Dallas did last time right?

When the Packers D effectively had them shut out?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sho Nuff. I appreciate that you want to give feedback but make some sense at least.

 

Rodgers was eating up huge amounts of cap space and salary. They gave him 7 million to sit on the bench and do nothing. That's an F. ZERO STATS = an F. I mean come on bro. Are you seriously trying to say that 15 million dollars for sitting on the bench over 3 years is nothing? That makes no sense.

 

As far as developing a franchise QB they had him, ever hear of a guy named BRETT Favre. They developed a franchise QB 5 years too early. It would be like the Colts or the Patriots drafting Claussen in the 1st round this year. This year proves that they were wrong about Favre and they could have built around him. Minnesota puts a solid team around him and he dominates. Green Bay gave up on building around Favre and decided to build for the future. It hasn't worked for 5 years. The last few with Favre because they gave up and created controversy around him and the last two seasons with Rodgers. And don't say Rodgers has worked because he hasn't done S H I T yet. Nothing. Don't quote 13 regular season games, win a clutch game that matters or a playoff game. At this point Green Bay is on the hook to Rodgers for like 80 million bucks. Seriously, 15 for the 1st three years and a new contract for 65 million. That's insane!

 

What the hell are you talking about hindsight? The next few picks included Luis Castillo, Logan Mankins and Heath Miller check the facts all of those picks were 1st round and after Rodgers.

 

I've been saying since the day they made that pick it was terrible. The 3 teams that drafted Castillo (San Diego), Mankins (New England), and Miller (Pittsburgh) placed excellent players around the stars of their teams and have had vastly more success than Green Bay over the last few years. Mankins has been key for the Patriots. He's a Pro Bowler. Miller! Awesome Tight End. Castillo, sick lineman for the Chargers. Those teams built around and have won more than Green Bay. GB made the Rodgers pick and have dealt with controversy and crappy teams.

 

The proof is in the wins and losses. Green Bay has done nothing and the 3 teams I mentioned picked after them and have got more from their picks.

 

Only, his rookie contract was hardly big money and eating up huge amounts of cap space.

And you forget that they had a QB in his mid to late 30s hinting at retirement for several years.

I don't give it an F because it was a draft pick made with the future in mind. You can't just keep drafting for right now. Some picks have to be for the future.

And what you are seeing right now, is a QB who benefited from learning over 3 years and is now playing at a high level.

I will never fault a team for finding a possible franchise QB...especially with hindsight showing us he is pretty damn good. This year proves Aaron Rodgers is pretty damn good, not that they should have built around Favre. They let him go because they did not think he could lead them to a title. Nothing he has done this year disproves that to this point.

Claussen? The Pats and Colts don't have QBs that have been talking about retirement for 2 years do they?

 

Minnesota had the solid team, they did not build around him.

And yes, Rodgers has worked. You don't want regular season...yet you claim this year proves they should have built around Favre? Nice double standard. Rodgers has to do it in the clutch and in the playoffs...but Favre can do it in the regular season and it proves the team should have built around him? Too funny.

 

What am I talking about hindsight?

You are looking at what other players have done 5 years later and claiming GB should have drafted them. Including a TE which has hardly been a need or an issue with this team (receiving options). That is the pure focking definition of hindsight moron.

 

If you think GB has had crappy teams because of drafting a solid QB back then...you really need mental help.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Who cares? Play with the guy and then when he retires have a season without him and rebuild then. Look at what Minny just did? Seems to have worked out well enough.

 

He did retire. Twice now.

[Sho Nuff 720]

the fact remains..........the vikes are 10-2 with favre and division champs with a season sweep of the pack..........favre is mvp this year............nothing will take that away.

 

Rodgers has potential, but the vikes are clearly better this year and next as well....rodgers has proven nothing yet and favre has proven he is a field general.

 

Favre is not the MVP.

That Brees and Manning guy will have something to say about that.

 

THe Vikes are clearly better next year? Based on what? You have no clue who their QB might be...if Henderson will be able to come back.

Meanwhile the Packers will be building on their solid defense, and a stud young QB.

 

Favre has not proven he can do anything in the playoffs anymore. Nice try.

[Sho Nuff 720]

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

 

It's been 5 years, Green Bay has sucked and Rodgers has rotted on the bench for three of them. Favre is now on the hated Vikings and they are better than Green Bay. Green Bay still has the same problems they had with Favre except Jennings and Driver are years older.

 

I don't even know how anyone could debate this? I'm really at a loss. So far it was a terrible pick. It hasn't panned out. It might have been a great extension, he might have great years going on, but they wasted the pick and they let one of the best QB's of all time go to their rival.

 

5 years and they have sucked?

Hmm...I recall a game in 2007 that was the NFC title game.

 

People can debate it because they are not all brain dead morons like you.

So far it was a great pick...and only morons call it a terrible one.

Has not panned out? Favre retired and GB has a solid QB replacement. Too damn funny.

 

And the fact that the only one you can find to back you up is an alias of Pimptaddy? Hah!!!!!!

 

Freaking complete and utter FAIL

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Rodgers has potential, but the vikes are clearly better this year and next as well....rodgers has proven nothing yet and favre has proven he is a field general.

 

Please explain to me, in your infinite wisdom Dallas_Pimp, how these parts of the statement in bold dont also describe Tony Romo.

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

Please explain to me, in your infinite wisdom Dallas_Pimp, how these parts of the statement in bold dont also describe Tony Romo.

romo has had all winning seasons and been to the playoffs. Rodgers has had no playoff berths and no winning seasons.

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

But that's the thing though, TT never entertained offers from any division rival. The Vikings were out of the question all along. Maybe they don't offer a Herscehl Walker type deal...but it's gotta be more than a conditional 3rd, no?

 

And by not trading him to your QB starved division rival, TT accomplished what exactly? A 6-10 record. Third place in the NFC North. All while your QB deprived rival split the season series with you and took the NFC North title.

 

And then they come back the next year and get Favre relatively cheaply.

 

 

My only point is that you should always try to do what's best for your team. I think TT was numb to the idea of trading Favre within the conference, much less within the division. Because of that he possibly didn't get enough in return for Favre.

Quick.....who am I?

 

Ted Thompson watching the Vikings/Packers game. The dude would perhaps be a better evaluator of talent if he blinked.

 

 

TT could have gotten more from the vikes and the vikes could have had favre for one more year making it a three year deal instead of a two. The main reason TT did not want to trade favre to the vikes is fear of getting swept by them. well guess what? He got swept this year and all his posturing and mind games he played backfired. A weak GM fears trades to division rivals because he knows deep down his team is weak and cant handle the rival team. They should change this thread title to Fat Dummy and the Dumbest GM. Yo sweetness......can you change the thread title so we can better reflect how dumb TT is?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Favre leaving the Packers was best for both Favre and the Packers.

 

Favre ended up going to a contender.

 

The Packers got to keep the future of their franchise.

 

There really is nothing to argue about here. It worked out for everyone.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Only, his rookie contract was hardly big money and eating up huge amounts of cap space.

And you forget that they had a QB in his mid to late 30s hinting at retirement for several years.

 

Minnesota had the solid team, they did not build around him.

Rodgers has to do it in the clutch and in the playoffs...but Favre can do it in the regular season and it proves the team should have built around him?

 

What am I talking about hindsight?

You are looking at what other players have done 5 years later and claiming GB should have drafted them.

 

His rookie contract was for $25 million with a $7 mil signing bonus. For zero play.

 

I don't care if he was hinting at retirement they should have rode that chuck wagon to the ponderosa.

 

If you are questioning why I give Favre the benefit of the doubt and not Rodgers, well, hasn't Favre earned it?

 

It's not hindsight if I was saying 5 years ago that they made a bad pick there. It's not hindsight because for 5 years people have been questioning that pick. Not just me. When the pick was made the consistent draft grades were C and D. Everyone felt that Green Bay grabbed the biggest faller but that they hadn't really wanted him or they would have moved up to get him. The general consensus was they helped their future but did nothing to address the present. Go do some research I don't feel like providing links. That's proved true except that Green Bay could still have Favre and could be drafting a QB this year when about 6 of them are coming out that are NFL quality.

 

The best part of this whole thing, is that they also wasted a 2nd round pick on Briah Brohm. So now they could have had Favre, spent less money, still been competitive and surrounded him with an two more first day picks.

 

You and I we don't agree on this matter.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Favre retired

 

That is a complete and utter fail.

 

Is Brett Favre retired? NO

 

Has Brett Favre started a record 283 games in a row? YES

 

"Retired! Retired! Retired! I'm just trying to win a damn game. Retired!"

 

Favre retired, lol, hahahhaha, lol, hahah. You call me a "brain dead moron" and you actually use "Favre retired" to support your argument. HAHAHAH AHHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHAH

 

You are not a very smart person if you just used "Favre retired" as your big gun. HAHAHH. Too funny.

 

OH GOD! Too funny.

 

Favre retired, lol what a doofus. Funny thing is you probably don't even realize how stupid that sounds.

[joelmrut 4]

That is a complete and utter fail.

 

Is Brett Favre retired? NO

 

Has Brett Favre started a record 283 games in a row? YES

 

"Retired! Retired! Retired! I'm just trying to win a damn game. Retired!"

 

Favre retired, lol, hahahhaha, lol, hahah. You call me a "brain dead moron" and you actually use "Favre retired" to support your argument. HAHAHAH AHHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHAH

 

You are not a very smart person if you just used "Favre retired" as your big gun. HAHAHH. Too funny.

 

OH GOD! Too funny.

 

Favre retired, lol what a doofus. Funny thing is you probably don't even realize how stupid that sounds.

 

What?

 

Favre tells NYJ he Retires

 

Favre tell Minny he is retired

 

I can do this all day

 

But I guess that doesn't count?

[Sho Nuff 720]

That is a complete and utter fail.

 

Is Brett Favre retired? NO

 

Has Brett Favre started a record 283 games in a row? YES

 

"Retired! Retired! Retired! I'm just trying to win a damn game. Retired!"

 

Favre retired, lol, hahahhaha, lol, hahah. You call me a "brain dead moron" and you actually use "Favre retired" to support your argument. HAHAHAH AHHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHAH

 

You are not a very smart person if you just used "Favre retired" as your big gun. HAHAHH. Too funny.

 

OH GOD! Too funny.

 

Favre retired, lol what a doofus. Funny thing is you probably don't even realize how stupid that sounds.

 

You claimed they should move on when he retired...I pointed out the FACT that he did actually retire.

You can't refute it so you go on a childish rant.

And you wonder why you are one of the biggest joke dooshbags on this board...its crap like this.

 

I used "Favre retired" as a fact to point out in your post where you said they could move on when he did....and he did.

[Sho Nuff 720]

romo has had all winning seasons and been to the playoffs. Rodgers has had no playoff berths and no winning seasons.

 

And how many playoff wins?

So basically, he still has potential that is unrealized right?

[Sho Nuff 720]

His rookie contract was for $25 million with a $7 mil signing bonus. For zero play.

 

I don't care if he was hinting at retirement they should have rode that chuck wagon to the ponderosa.

 

If you are questioning why I give Favre the benefit of the doubt and not Rodgers, well, hasn't Favre earned it?

 

Name me one team that would not pay a $7 million signing bonus and 25 mil over that many years to develop a solid QB like Rodgers?

 

You don't care that he was thinking of retiring and they never knew when it would come? Great...that is why you are not a freaking GM in this league. GMs have to prepare for the loss of such players and can't just keep holding out hope they will play forever.

 

Favre earned it in the early 90s...lately, we are not sure what he will bring come playoff time is the point. We just don't know. Everyone in football operations for the Packers agreed they did not think he could lead them to a title any longer. This is why he was let go when he came back from retirement.

[joelmrut 4]

Who cares? Play with the guy and then when he retires have a season without him and rebuild then. Look at what Minny just did? Seems to have worked out well enough.

 

Really? Is that how the good franchises do it? Never planning for the future? Is that how Minny did it? And what exactly did Miiny just do? Lose a HOF QB and then rebuild?

 

How clutch was Favre this week against Arizona, the first good team he's played all season? The first time he has had pressure on him like Rodgers has had all season, and how did that work for Minny?

[FeelingMN 273]

How clutch was Favre this week against Arizona, the first good team he's played all season?

 

Are you conceding that GB isn't that good?

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

What? But I guess that doesn't count?

 

Has Favre ever missed a game? NO. Then he hasn't retired. Until he misses a game he's not retired. I can say I'm retired but since I'm at work today I'd be working, not retired. In fact I'm going to retire Friday after work. I'll be there Monday though so I'm not retired. Retired means "having concluded one's working or professional career".

 

It's a silly argument to point to his retirement as why Green Bay moved on. Green Bay made a bad pick and couldn't continue to pay 2 QB's. Favre gave them a little wiggle room to make a dirtbag move with his indecisiveness and TT drove a wedge into the Favre/Green Bay relationship. Had they not drafted Rodgers they would never have felt the need to move on. Had they not drafted Rodgers they would have had better teams around Favre and he would have won more those final 3 years.

 

 

Name me one team that would not pay a $7 million signing bonus and 25 mil over that many years to develop a solid QB like Rodgers?

 

You don't care that he was thinking of retiring and they never knew when it would come? Great...that is why you are not a freaking GM in this league. GMs have to prepare for the loss of such players and can't just keep holding out hope they will play forever.

 

Favre earned it in the early 90s...lately, we are not sure what he will bring come playoff time is the point.

 

Sho Nuff despite the fact that you have tossed names around today like dooshbag and idiot I'll still try.

 

The Patriots and Colts would not pay $7 million and $25 million for any QB in the draft. If they had the #1 pick they would not take a QB. Why is that? Because they have Hall of Fame QB's on their roster. The Patriots traded out of the 1st round for multiple picks. We've been doing that for years. Why because fiscal responsibility is just as important as talent on a roster. That's how you win in the long run.

 

GM's do have to prepare for the loss of players, but generally not 5 years in advance. If worst case scenario Favre retired Green Bay should have had a QB adequate enough to replace him. Look at last year with Cassell? We drafted him late and got him ready and had him ready in an emergency. We didn't pay 25 million for the guy to back up Brady. Look at the Patriots this year, we have a rookie QB Brian Hoyer as our only backup QB on the roster. Preparing for the worst is fine, but you have to also take your shots and hope for the best.

 

Are you from Green Bay? Because you sound like you are trying to defend your team verse be honest about it. The Packers haven't done ###### for 5 years. Three of them they had Favre with but instead of trying to maximize the talent around him they prepared for the future. Look at Minnesota this year and tell me it's not worth maximizing the talent around Brett Favre? They could have spent that money on keeping players, extending contracts and signing a few mid level guys to shore up the 53 man roster because depth matters. Instead they spent it on a backup QB, created a major distraction, lost the best QB in franchise history to their hate rival, and have watched Brett Favre beat Rodgers in back to back games this year.

 

The winningest teams this decade, New England and Indy have shown fiscal responsibility. Neither of those teams will draft a stud QB that they have to pay big money until Brady and Peyton declare it to be ok. They won't do those guys dirty like Green Bay did Favre.

 

I'm done with this. I know it was a bad pick and I can not ###### wait until Favre beats Green Bay in the playoffs.

[donhaas 18]

Are you conceding that GB isn't that good?

 

When they played Minn. they clearly weren't as good as they are now..... especially on defense....

[joelmrut 4]

Are you conceding that GB isn't that good?

 

According to this post, they are the worst team in the NFL with dumb and dumber in charge, so they can't be consider good can they?

 

 

If Favre was really as good as he is being made out to be, wouldn't he have more Super Bowl wins than Trent Dilfer?

[donhaas 18]

Has Favre ever missed a game? NO. Then he hasn't retired. Until he misses a game he's not retired. I can say I'm retired but since I'm at work today I'd be working, not retired. In fact I'm going to retire Friday after work. I'll be there Monday though so I'm not retired. Retired means "having concluded one's working or professional career".

 

It's a silly argument to point to his retirement as why Green Bay moved on. Green Bay made a bad pick and couldn't continue to pay 2 QB's. Favre gave them a little wiggle room to make a dirtbag move with his indecisiveness and TT drove a wedge into the Favre/Green Bay relationship. Had they not drafted Rodgers they would never have felt the need to move on. Had they not drafted Rodgers they would have had better teams around Favre and he would have won more those final 3 years.

Sho Nuff despite the fact that you have tossed names around today like dooshbag and idiot I'll still try.

 

The Patriots and Colts would not pay $7 million and $25 million for any QB in the draft. If they had the #1 pick they would not take a QB. Why is that? Because they have Hall of Fame QB's on their roster. The Patriots traded out of the 1st round for multiple picks. We've been doing that for years. Why because fiscal responsibility is just as important as talent on a roster. That's how you win in the long run.

 

GM's do have to prepare for the loss of players, but generally not 5 years in advance. If worst case scenario Favre retired Green Bay should have had a QB adequate enough to replace him. Look at last year with Cassell? We drafted him late and got him ready and had him ready in an emergency. We didn't pay 25 million for the guy to back up Brady. Look at the Patriots this year, we have a rookie QB Brian Hoyer as our only backup QB on the roster. Preparing for the worst is fine, but you have to also take your shots and hope for the best.

 

Are you from Green Bay? Because you sound like you are trying to defend your team verse be honest about it. The Packers haven't done ###### for 5 years. Three of them they had Favre with but instead of trying to maximize the talent around him they prepared for the future. Look at Minnesota this year and tell me it's not worth maximizing the talent around Brett Favre? They could have spent that money on keeping players, extending contracts and signing a few mid level guys to shore up the 53 man roster because depth matters. Instead they spent it on a backup QB, created a major distraction, lost the best QB in franchise history to their hate rival, and have watched Brett Favre beat Rodgers in back to back games this year.

 

The winningest teams this decade, New England and Indy have shown fiscal responsibility. Neither of those teams will draft a stud QB that they have to pay big money until Brady and Peyton declare it to be ok. They won't do those guys dirty like Green Bay did Favre.

 

I'm done with this. I know it was a bad pick and I can not ###### wait until Favre beats Green Bay in the playoffs.

 

 

The last time New England won anything "Hey Ya" was a hit song...... We don't care about what NE does... the last time we looked Brees was still whipping TD passes on them and Miami was punking them and there were sitting at 7-5.....

 

The Packers haven't done ###### for 5 years? They took the Super Bowl champs to overtime in the NFC Championsihp game.... that's better than NE has done in the last 5 years....

 

 

NE is irrevelant.... Some time long ago they barely, barely, barely beat the 3 worst super bowl teams ever to play in the super bowl (all 3 of them had losing record the next season)..... Go get a copy of "Glory Days" and play it over and over and over because your NE team is old, done and defenseless (literally)... The Packers are the youngest team in the league, will have one of the best QBs in the league for the next 12-14 years and are currently 8-4 and on the rise....

 

The Vikings will be joining New England singing "Glory Days" after Favre retires after this season and Tavaris takes the helm..

 

 

Nobody cares about your 7-5 team so stop spouting your nonsense......

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sho Nuff despite the fact that you have tossed names around today like dooshbag and idiot I'll still try.

 

The Patriots and Colts would not pay $7 million and $25 million for any QB in the draft. If they had the #1 pick they would not take a QB. Why is that? Because they have Hall of Fame QB's on their roster. The Patriots traded out of the 1st round for multiple picks. We've been doing that for years. Why because fiscal responsibility is just as important as talent on a roster. That's how you win in the long run.

 

GM's do have to prepare for the loss of players, but generally not 5 years in advance. If worst case scenario Favre retired Green Bay should have had a QB adequate enough to replace him. Look at last year with Cassell? We drafted him late and got him ready and had him ready in an emergency. We didn't pay 25 million for the guy to back up Brady. Look at the Patriots this year, we have a rookie QB Brian Hoyer as our only backup QB on the roster. Preparing for the worst is fine, but you have to also take your shots and hope for the best.

 

Are you from Green Bay? Because you sound like you are trying to defend your team verse be honest about it. The Packers haven't done ###### for 5 years. Three of them they had Favre with but instead of trying to maximize the talent around him they prepared for the future. Look at Minnesota this year and tell me it's not worth maximizing the talent around Brett Favre? They could have spent that money on keeping players, extending contracts and signing a few mid level guys to shore up the 53 man roster because depth matters. Instead they spent it on a backup QB, created a major distraction, lost the best QB in franchise history to their hate rival, and have watched Brett Favre beat Rodgers in back to back games this year.

 

The winningest teams this decade, New England and Indy have shown fiscal responsibility. Neither of those teams will draft a stud QB that they have to pay big money until Brady and Peyton declare it to be ok. They won't do those guys dirty like Green Bay did Favre.

 

I'm done with this. I know it was a bad pick and I can not ###### wait until Favre beats Green Bay in the playoffs.

 

I used those names because you have earned them with your crap.

 

As for the Pats and the Colts...as usual, you missed the point. Im not talking right now. Im talking when its close to time for Manning and Brady to be done...you don't think either of those teams would pay that money to develop a QB for about 2-3 years and feel better about their QB when those two are gone? You are nuts if you don't think they would.

And Rodgers was not the #1 pick...he was in the 20s.

Bringing up what they have now for Brady is irrelevant as he has never talked about retiring and is relatively young compared to where Favre was when GB drafted Rodgers.

 

I am from pretty close to Green Bay. I am being honest. Im damn happy they drafted Rodgers because we just never knew how long Favre would play...and now they are reaping the benefits of having a solid replacement for a HOF QB.

Again, you say they have not done **** for 5 years. 2007 was less than 5 years ago chump.

 

Minnesota did not maximize talent around Favre...they had all of those pieces before they ever brought Favre in. Are you that dense?

They had already spent money and picks to get Sage freaking Rosenfels.

 

Im glad you think it was a bad pick..makes me feel better that some turd who can't understand simple logic thinks it sucked.

[donhaas 18]

BBBO: Gather up some Bears fans, too (maybe Sweetness?) and

 

I hope it brings you a flush of good memories and happiness......

 

 

 

 

 

I had a friend was a big baseball player back in high school

He could throw that speedball by you

Make you look like a fool boy

Saw him the other night at this roadside bar I was walking inand he was walking out

We went back inside sat down, had a few drinks butall he kept talking about wasCHORUS:

Glory days well they'll pass you by

Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye

Glory days, glory days

There's a girl that lives up the block back in schoolshe could turn all the boys' heads

Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by and have a few drinksafter she put her kids to bed

Her and her husband Bobby well they split up

I guess it's two years gone by now

We just sit around talking about the old times,she says when she feels like crying she starts laughing thinking about

Think I'm going down to the well tonight and I'm going to drinktill I get my fill

And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about itbut I probably will

Yeah just sitting back trying to recapture a little of the glory of,but time slips away and leaves you with nothing mister butboring stories of glory days

[FeelingMN 273]

When they played Minn. they clearly weren't as good as they are now..... especially on defense....

 

Yeah, the Packers are 'better' now than they were then. Playing three games at home (DAL, SF, BAL) and two on the road (TB, DET). Man, look at all those playoff caliber teams. Look at those offensive juggernauts. If they're better, they'll beat Arizona and/or Pittsburgh on the road. Hell, even Oakland can beat Pittsburgh at Heinz, so the Pack shouldn't have a problem. And Arizona might not be playing for much week 17...so the Pack should beat them too. If they're better now, they'll finish 12-4....and will avoid being one and done in the playoffs.

 

We'll see.

 

 

If Manning and Unitas were really as good as they are being made out to be, wouldn't they have more Super Bowl wins than Trent Dilfer?

 

Idiocy exposed.

[donhaas 18]

Yeah, the Packers are 'better' now than they were then. Playing three games at home (DAL, SF, BAL) and two on the road (TB, DET). Man, look at all those playoff caliber teams. Look at those offensive juggernauts. If they're better, they'll beat Arizona and/or Pittsburgh on the road. Hell, even Oakland can beat Pittsburgh at Heinz, so the Pack shouldn't have a problem. And Arizona might not be playing for much week 17...so the Pack should beat them too. If they're better now, they'll finish 12-4....and will avoid being one and done in the playoffs.

 

 

Why are you getting all angry?

 

 

The Packers are clearly better than they were earlier in the season..... I honestly didn't think people would dream about debating that. With Clifton and Tauscher in, their o-line has been light-years better..... Their defense with the 3-4 learning curve has obviously made great strides from where they were...

 

This is a very young team.... that they've gotten better as the season progressed is not all that crazy....

 

Why are you angry about this?

 

I never said that means the Packers will win the Super Bowl; I even said I believe that the Packers are a year or two away.... But the Packers that the Vikings saw at the beginning of the season, they probably won't see again....

 

Question: are the Vikings getting better, too??

 

We'll see

[joelmrut 4]

Yeah, the Packers are 'better' now than they were then. Playing three games at home (DAL, SF, BAL) and two on the road (TB, DET). Man, look at all those playoff caliber teams.

 

 

And the only two team Minny has played with a winning record, Arizona and Green Bay. Wow, that is a really tough schedule full of playoff caliber teams.

 

Idiocy re-exposed.

[FeelingMN 273]

And the only two team Minny has played with a winning record, Arizona and Green Bay. Wow, that is a really tough schedule full of playoff caliber teams.

 

Idiocy re-exposed.

 

Fair enough. And I guess you'd have a point if I in any way pimped the Vikings in this thread. Like if I rapped on and on about how good their offense was...or how dominant their D-line was. But I haven't....and I won't because I'm not blind with homerism.

 

But you're right, your idiocy was indeed re-exposed through another useless post. You keep posting stuff that doesn't make sense. Please stop.

[donhaas 18]

Fair enough. And I guess you'd have a point if I in any way pimped the Vikings in this thread. Like if I rapped on and on about how good their offense was...or how dominant their D-line was. But I haven't....and I won't because I'm not blind with homerism.

 

But you're right, your idiocy was indeed re-exposed through another useless post. You keep posting stuff that doesn't make sense. Please stop.

 

I thought it was fair... .It's standard message board stuff anyways....

 

You were ragging on GB's weak-ass schedule and he pointed out that the ONLY winning teams Minn has played all year are "Weak-ass" Green Bay and Arizona (in which you got stomped)

 

 

As far a mindless board banter goes -- extremely fair!

 

 

Nobody is touting how great Green Bay is (your strawman) either.... just simply that they are better than they were at the beginning of the season (which is true)

[FeelingMN 273]

I thought it was fair... .It's standard message board stuff anyways....

 

You were ragging on GB's weak-ass schedule and he pointed out that the ONLY winning teams Minn has played all year are "Weak-ass" Green Bay and Arizona (in which you got stomped)

As far a mindless board banter goes -- extremely fair!

Nobody is touting how great Green Bay is (your strawman) either.... just simply that they are better than they were at the beginning of the season (which is true)

 

I was simply saying that maybe...just maybe GB's improvement correlates with their opponents. And I conceded that Minny hasn't played the toughest of schedules either....but I'm not the one trumpeting their succes...or their improvement...or anything about them....so why bring them up? Hell, I even called Favre a frontrunner in the MVP thread. I admit that the Vikings have cruised against lesser competition, and that if they are to be taken seriously they need to win this weekend....they need to finish strong.

 

But the Vikings aren't the issue here. The issue is deluded Pucker fans thinking they have the next dynasty. All I do in this thread is bring up legitimate rebuttals to those delusions. I don't flame like the trolls here do. I spin stuff a certain way....and then listen to y'all try to rationalize your homerism.

 

It's funny that you call it mindless banter, because I think most of your posts....and most posts from Pucker fans in general are just that: mindless...without thought....dumb....and dumber.

 

Now, lighthearted....yes...this is all in good fun....don't take this stuff too seriously. Mindless though? Then again, what else would you expect from a sconny who probably huffed his wife's nail polish remover to get a quick buzz, or to desperately try to forget he lives in Wisconsin.

[joelmrut 4]

Fair enough. And I guess you'd have a point if I in any way pimped the Vikings in this thread. Like if I rapped on and on about how good their offense was...or how dominant their D-line was. But I haven't....and I won't because I'm not blind with homerism.

 

But you're right, your idiocy was indeed re-exposed through another useless post. You keep posting stuff that doesn't make sense. Please stop.

 

 

Never rapped on and on about GB offense either. But when a Minny fan jumps on a GB post and make a point of slamming GB schedule and seems to forget the Minny's is just as weak, I felt the need to point out your idiocy. So as much as GB is a product of thier schedule, so is Minny. What didn't make sense, the fact that Minny schedule is on par with GB's? The fact that you glossed over it? The fact that Favre stats have come against the same mediocre opponents?

 

And my post maybe useless, but no more than yours.

[donhaas 18]

But the Vikings aren't the issue here. The issue is deluded Pucker fans thinking they have the next dynasty.

 

That is a tremendous strawman that you keep building up and demolishing

 

Nobody says that or has said anything about a Packer dynasty....

 

 

the point -- that you've failed to argue at all -- is that the Packers are getting better....

 

It's obvious to everybody that they are and it makes sense because they are a very young team with a brand-new defensive scheme....

 

 

Stomping the Cowboys and the Ravens > barely squeaking by the Bears and losing to Tampa Bay

Giving up 2 sacks a game > giving up 12 sacks a game

#1 defense > #20 defense

a healthy and productive JerMichael Finley > no JerMichael Finley

 

and on and on....

 

 

It all seems so obvious to everyone else, but you are a little dimmer than even your average Sweetness/SwampDog.....

 

 

Does this all mean that the Packers getting better mean they will win the next 14 Super Bowls in a row?.... well, no... but that's a strawman that only you could think of....