Green Bay Coach and GM

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

sho is right....

 

I have grade school neighbor kids who werent even ALIVE the last time that dallas won a playoff game.....they are the nfls version of the cubs....not sure why cowboy fans talk trash about the playoffs...

 

never doing anything but always getting people to pick them in the offseason.....

 

Dallas has won more playoff games than any other team and they have not done one since 1996 january. I think dallas of all teams historically has the right to talk about playoffs.

 

Here is a tidbit: VY is 23-11 while rodgers is not even close to that mark...........

[Sho Nuff 720]

Dallas has won more playoff games than any other team and they have not done one since 1996 january. I think dallas of all teams historically has the right to talk about playoffs.

 

Here is a tidbit: VY is 23-11 while rodgers is not even close to that mark...........

 

Umm...moron, we are talking about why people bash your boy Romo. Not about how many playoff games they won with Troy freaking Aikman.

 

Yes...you again are idiotic enough to bring up the Titans record with VY...VY is not half the QB that Rodgers is.

He is playing well now and rallied that team...but please stop with the VY/Rodgers talk.

 

You are seriously starting to make sweetness look smart.

[joelmrut 4]

The entire premise of letting favre go was that he was done......

 

 

Or the fact that the GM and coaches couldn't plan thier off-season, the draft and free agency with a QB that wouldn't commit to playing the next season until a week or two before it begins? And it not like it did it once. If he was really all about doing what was best for Green Bay while still a Packer, he would still be a Packer. Favre forced them to make a decision since he wouldn't.

[BMoney 0]

Dallas has won more playoff games than any other team and they have not done one since 1996 january. I think dallas of all teams historically has the right to talk about playoffs.

 

Here is a tidbit: VY is 23-11 while rodgers is not even close to that mark...........

 

if you are talking historically, gb has more titles.....

 

i guess if romo was gb's qb..we'd be more focused on the past also....

[BMoney 0]

Here is a tidbit: VY is 23-11 while rodgers is not even close to that mark...........

 

 

by the way...ive never bashed vince young..

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

I love how this thread has gone from a Favre vs Rodgers debate to a Young vs Rodgers debate. Pretty soon, since he's playing better, it will turn into a Alex Smith vs Rodgers argument.

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

if you are talking historically, gb has more titles.....

 

i guess if romo was gb's qb..we'd be more focused on the past also....

 

rodgers piles on regular season stats and has not won anything ....not even been in a playoff game where he was the starter. A Rod has not even had a winning season yet. Now you want to bash other teams about past titles.............check the mirror.......

 

 

The packers have one title in the past 41 years.........Green bay lived in the past even with Favre in his prime. if favre couldnt build a dynasty.....rodgers sure wont.

 

First round one and done assuming the pack even make the playoffs.......dallas or arizona will eat the packers alive in the playoffs.

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Rodgers is overrated. He's putting up huge stats now but shows all the characteristics of Bledsoe.

 

Interceptions, sacks, and bad play in clutch time/4th qtr/OT.

 

Green Bay are crazy for letting Favre go. They could have drafted many quality players instead of Rodgers who would have made much less than a QB. They could have spent Rodgers salary to maintain the roster and extend players that are solid.

 

Not a Rodgers fan, I am a Favre fan. Not believing in Rodgers after 1 great season and I have never agreed with Green Bay getting rid of Favre.

 

This must be worse for Green Bay fans of Favre then Boston fans of Ray Bourgue watching him win the Stanley Cup with the Avalanche.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Reading this thread is like reading threads on DemocraticUnderground.com. Those attempting to bash Rodgers are using exactly the same level of addled intellect - that is, to say: none.

 

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Favre wouldnt be this good on this current Packer team. He's in one of the best situations he can be in right now. Great line, great running game, very good defense. Swift WRs. Except for possibly the WRs, the vikings are clearly a better team across the board.

 

Then assuming New Orleans and Minny get homefield advantage his 40 year old ass will be playing indoors throughout the playoffs.

 

It was time to move on. They had gone as far as they were going to go with Favre. Rodgers is much better then I thought he would be. Time will tell just how good he can be. He'd already be a top 3 all-time QB for the Bears.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Dallas has won more playoff games than any other team and they have not done one since 1996 january. I think dallas of all teams historically has the right to talk about playoffs.

 

Here is a tidbit: VY is 23-11 while rodgers is not even close to that mark...........

 

Weird, you're defending the Cowboys. I wonder why that is?

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

Rodgers is overrated. He's putting up huge stats now but shows all the characteristics of Bledsoe.

 

Interceptions, sacks, and bad play in clutch time/4th qtr/OT.

 

Green Bay are crazy for letting Favre go. They could have drafted many quality players instead of Rodgers who would have made much less than a QB. They could have spent Rodgers salary to maintain the roster and extend players that are solid.

 

Not a Rodgers fan, I am a Favre fan. Not believing in Rodgers after 1 great season and I have never agreed with Green Bay getting rid of Favre.

 

This must be worse for Green Bay fans of Favre then Boston fans of Ray Bourgue watching him win the Stanley Cup with the Avalanche.

He also is piling up stat against bad teams. The pack have only one win against a winning team.....

[Joey Gladstone 33]

He also is piling up stat against bad teams. The pack have only one win against a winning team.....

 

As does Tony Romo. He's won as many playoff games as Rodgers too.

[Sho Nuff 720]

rodgers piles on regular season stats and has not won anything ....not even been in a playoff game where he was the starter. A Rod has not even had a winning season yet. Now you want to bash other teams about past titles.............check the mirror.......

The packers have one title in the past 41 years.........Green bay lived in the past even with Favre in his prime. if favre couldnt build a dynasty.....rodgers sure wont.

 

First round one and done assuming the pack even make the playoffs.......dallas or arizona will eat the packers alive in the playoffs.

 

Why do fools like you always cut it out at 41 years?

Oh...because you just don't want to recognize that there was actual organized football before then.

 

Just like Dallas ate them alive a few weeks ago right?

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Rodgers is overrated. He's putting up huge stats now but shows all the characteristics of Bledsoe.

 

Interceptions, sacks, and bad play in clutch time/4th qtr/OT.

 

Green Bay are crazy for letting Favre go. They could have drafted many quality players instead of Rodgers who would have made much less than a QB. They could have spent Rodgers salary to maintain the roster and extend players that are solid.

 

Not a Rodgers fan, I am a Favre fan. Not believing in Rodgers after 1 great season and I have never agreed with Green Bay getting rid of Favre.

 

This must be worse for Green Bay fans of Favre then Boston fans of Ray Bourgue watching him win the Stanley Cup with the Avalanche.

 

Want to check his 4th quarter stats? They are actually pretty good.

 

At the time they drafted Rodgers...why was it so crazy? Favre had been talking about retirement and they had nothing behind him to groom for any future. They had a top of the draft talent fall to them...and obviously he would have been worthy of a top, if not the top pick. Until last year, Rodger's salary was hardly that big...and they have plenty of room to extend anyone. Since the first year with Thompson, the only players they lost because of money were Wahle, Rivera, and Sharper...all before Rodgers was even drafted.

 

If Favre never wins another title...will it still be crazy for them to have let Favre go? If Rodgers does in the next 5 years...would it still have been crazy?

I laugh at people right now automatically saying it was crazy or a terrible move.

[Sho Nuff 720]

He also is piling up stat against bad teams. The pack have only one win against a winning team.....

 

You realize that ol Favre has played a pretty easy schedule too right?

I think statistically an easier schedule than the Packers have.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Note to Ted Thompson...please don't draft the RT shown here.

 

Bears...you are more than welcome to take anyone on that Oline.

[donhaas 18]

Favre is not fun to watch when the tiniest little bit of pressure is put on him like there was tonight.....

 

Unfortunately, that's been Rodgers season every down all year....

 

 

Rodgers > Favre

 

 

10 years from now I'm going to bet it will still be the same, but we'll see....

 

 

:banana:

[BMoney 0]

 

Note to Ted Thompson...please don't draft the RT shown here.

 

Bears...you are more than welcome to take anyone on that Oline.

 

 

listening to chicago radio on the way home today..heard my favorite caller of the day...

 

"yeah...well, the bears won today...and you know what? who cares? whats the point?"

 

 

i have no issue with cutler...hes better than any retread that the bears have had..but the combo of no real wideouts..no solid offensive playcalling...it equals disaster....

 

for the first time all year, favre had that look he had at the end of last year..i dont think hes seriously hurt..but the right hand is giving him issues..brad better figure out a roll out type play and quick...

[donhaas 18]

Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

 

[remote controller 143]

It doesn't change my opinion about Thompson being wrong 2 years ago, and mishandling the Favre situation, but these Packers are better then then these Vikings right now. If they play each other again the Pack wins handily.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Nice bump Don on Flacco and Ryan.

Anyone still want to take them over Rodgers right now?

 

 

As for the thread...not sure if McCarthy was supposed to be dumb, or dumberer...but he actually called a pretty good game last night for once.

Though, the penalties have got to stop...as does giving up a huge kick return right after a score.

[FeelingMN 273]

It doesn't change my opinion about Thompson being wrong 2 years ago, and mishandling the Favre situation, but these Packers are better then then these Vikings right now. If they play each other again the Pack wins handily.

 

11-175

 

Teams that try desperately to beat themselves, rarely beat others....and they never beat them handily.

[donhaas 18]

11-175

 

Teams that try desperately to beat themselves, rarely beat others....and they never beat them handily.

 

You know as well as I do that at least 9 of those 11 penalties were utter crap!!!

 

 

Seriously.... penalties concern me... every week MM shrugs and says "No problem.... we'll get that fixed!"

 

And he never does...

 

Kick coverage concerns me, too.... As does Crosby (I want Longwell back!!!!)

 

You Vikings are like that slimey, cheesy old guy at the bar with the Members Only jacket who can't get chicks on his own but waits for a chick to be heart-broken or spurned by her lover and then moves in to take them home.....

 

I see you and your Fergus Falls mullet already eyeing up Rodgers for 2020

[BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0]

Rodgers is better than I thought. MUCH MUCH BETTER! I was wrong about his abilities. He still holds onto the ball a bit too long but he's got a great and accurate arm.

 

He is not however better than Favre and I stand by the fact that Green Bay should still have Favre and should have used that draft pick for Arron Rodgers on Logan Mankins or Heath Miller. They have both been important parts of Championship teams. Even Luis Castillo would have been a better pick.

 

Mankins or Miller would have been great for Favre, shored up the line either way and Favre hasn't had a great tight end since Chumura. Instead the last years of Favres career had Rodgers sitting on the bench rotting and eating up huge amounts of cap space! HUGE HUGE HUGE AMOUNTS! If the Packers had drafted Miller or Mankins they could have spent the huge amount of money they wasted on Rodgers, (wasted sitting on the bench for 3 seasons) on free agents and shored up the D a bit more or even got a higher quality running back to go with the O.

 

As great as Rodgers is playing you can't deny that he was an F for his 1st three years. Not an incomplete an F. He got paid but never played, that's not on him but it's a fact.

 

Any Green Bay fans think Favre might have performed better if they drafted studs around Favre instead of working on his backup 5 years too early?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Rodgers is better than I thought. MUCH MUCH BETTER! I was wrong about his abilities. He still holds onto the ball a bit too long but he's got a great and accurate arm.

 

He is not however better than Favre and I stand by the fact that Green Bay should still have Favre and should have used that draft pick for Arron Rodgers on Logan Mankins or Heath Miller. They have both been important parts of Championship teams. Even Luis Castillo would have been a better pick.

 

Mankins or Miller would have been great for Favre, shored up the line either way and Favre hasn't had a great tight end since Chumura. Instead the last years of Favres career had Rodgers sitting on the bench rotting and eating up huge amounts of cap space! HUGE HUGE HUGE AMOUNTS! If the Packers had drafted Miller or Mankins they could have spent the huge amount of money they wasted on Rodgers, (wasted sitting on the bench for 3 seasons) on free agents and shored up the D a bit more or even got a higher quality running back to go with the O.

 

As great as Rodgers is playing you can't deny that he was an F for his 1st three years. Not an incomplete an F. He got paid but never played, that's not on him but it's a fact.

 

Any Green Bay fans think Favre might have performed better if they drafted studs around Favre instead of working on his backup 5 years too early?

 

Rodgers was eating up huge amounts of cap space? No, not really.

And now they have a possible franchise QB developed to move on with life after a legend. Still hilarious that people call that pick a mistake.

He was not an F his first 3 years...he was a backup QB. And it obviously helped him.

And you don't try and build a team around a late 30s QB who has been hinting retirement for a few years.

And love the hindsight of Makins...or a freaking Tight End. Hilarious.

[donhaas 18]

Mankins or Miller would have been great for Favre, shored up the line either way and Favre hasn't had a great tight end since Chumura. Instead the last years of Favres career had Rodgers sitting on the bench rotting and eating up huge amounts of cap space! HUGE HUGE HUGE AMOUNTS! If the Packers had drafted Miller or Mankins they could have spent the huge amount of money they wasted on Rodgers, (wasted sitting on the bench for 3 seasons) on free agents and shored up the D a bit more or even got a higher quality running back to go with the O.

 

As great as Rodgers is playing you can't deny that he was an F for his 1st three years. Not an incomplete an F. He got paid but never played, that's not on him but it's a fact.

 

 

Packers are way, way under the cap and they have been that way for a long time.... I don't think that's the problem here

 

 

This post was overall pretty dumb but no dumber than many of Sweetness/Belicheck/BMoney's posts in this great thread!!!

[FeelingMN 273]

You Vikings are like that slimey, cheesy old guy at the bar with the Members Only jacket who can't get chicks on his own but waits for a chick to be heart-broken or spurned by her lover and then moves in to take them home.....

 

If you don't like the way we roll, quit breaking hearts and spurning your lovers.

 

 

How many deerheads do you have on your wall?

 

 

 

Also, anyone who questions the Rodgers pick isn't thinking right. QB is the most important position in football. The Packers have that position secured for the next decade. They'll be in the playoff hunt as long as Rodgers remains healthy. So I can't question that pick. Nor can I question letting Favre go. But you have to question TT's pettiness in constraining where Favre could play. If he's not good enough to play for you then why do you care if he plays against you? TT wanted to have his cake and eat it too. And TT can be questioned for selecting Brohm in the 2nd two years ago. If you let Favre walk, you had to be certain of what Rodgers could do...so then why waste a first day pick on a backup QB when you had other needs to address? Dumb.

 

If TT doesn't address the O-line next April, this thread will go on forever....because his stupidity knows no bounds.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If you don't like the way we roll, quit breaking hearts and spurning your lovers.

How many deerheads do you have on your wall?

Also, anyone who questions the Rodgers pick isn't thinking right. QB is the most important position in football. The Packers have that position secured for the next decade. They'll be in the playoff hunt as long as Rodgers remains healthy. So I can't question that pick. Nor can I question letting Favre go. But you have to question TT's pettiness in constraining where Favre could play. If he's not good enough to play for you then why do you care if he plays against you? TT wanted to have his cake and eat it too. And TT can be questioned for selecting Brohm in the 2nd two years ago. If you let Favre walk, you had to be certain of what Rodgers could do...so then why waste a first day pick on a backup QB when you had other needs to address? Dumb.

 

If TT doesn't address the O-line next April, this thread will go on forever....because his stupidity knows no bounds.

 

 

I would not question him constraining where Favre could play.

Just because they did not think he could lead them to a title anymore...does not mean you just give him away to your rival.

I question how he and Favre handled it all through the media and could not work things out until it got way too ugly...but few GMs would have just let him go to Minny last year.

 

And at the time that they drafted Brohm, they had not "let Favre go". He was retired.

I don't think they knew for sure what they had with Rodgers, nor if his body would hold up.

Pick sucks for sure now, but they had no other QB on the roster.

[donhaas 18]

But you have to question TT's pettiness in constraining where Favre could play. If he's not good enough to play for you then why do you care if he plays against you? TT wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

 

I don't understand this.

Just because he's not good enough for the Packers (the finest organization in the history of football) doesn't mean he won't be awesome for historically quarterback-challenged rivals like Chicago and Minnesota.

 

Why just give your quarterback-challenged rivals a HOF quarterback and one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?

 

Albeit an old one

 

 

Are you kidding me?

If the Vikings had Walter Payton and Barry Sanders and had to get rid of one.... wouldn't you prefer that he didn't go to the Packers???

 

Or you'd be OK with Vikings management for letting the Packers get him because you don't want to be "petty"

 

 

HAHAHAHA

 

 

 

You silly

[Sho Nuff 720]

If TT doesn't address the O-line next April, this thread will go on forever....because his stupidity knows no bounds.

 

On this I agree...though, he has been "addressing it" for years...he just sucks at it.

Lang looks like a possible player though...I like him.

 

The other problem...as much as I want an LT early on...if somehow, someway CJ Spiller falls in the draft....too hard to pass up that playmaking ability.

[FeelingMN 273]

Why just give your quarterback-challenged rivals a HOF quarterback and one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?

 

Wait. Who plays QB for the Minnesota Vikings? And what did the Packers receive in return?

 

The Packers could have gotten much, much, much more from the Vikes than they did from the Jets. Essentially, the Vikings got the QB they wanted for nothing and the Packers got a third round pick.

 

Nice job.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Wait. Who plays QB for the Minnesota Vikings? And what did the Packers receive in return?

 

The Packers could have gotten much, much, much more from the Vikes than they did from the Jets. Essentially, the Vikings got the QB they wanted for nothing and the Packers got a third round pick.

 

Nice job.

 

We have no idea what the Vikings would have been willing to give actually.

[FeelingMN 273]

We have no idea what the Vikings would have been willing to give actually.

 

And neither did TT....because they never talked. What if the Vikings were willing to give up multiple draft picks and players to get the deal done? Isn't that the smart move for a GM? Sure, fans would hate the move....but as a GM, you do what's best for the team. Period.

 

Would it have been difficult? Yeah, and I'm aware that I'm expecting too much from any GM in those exact circumstances to pawn off an icon to a division rival. But what if you could have totally assraped the Vikings in the deal.....way beyond the Cutler/Bears trade....I'm talking Herschel Walker type deal. In that case, don't you at least entertain the possibility?

[remote controller 143]

Rodgers is better than I thought. MUCH MUCH BETTER! I was wrong about his abilities. He still holds onto the ball a bit too long but he's got a great and accurate arm.

 

He is not however better than Favre and I stand by the fact that Green Bay should still have Favre and should have used that draft pick for Arron Rodgers on Logan Mankins or Heath Miller. They have both been important parts of Championship teams. Even Luis Castillo would have been a better pick.

 

Mankins or Miller would have been great for Favre, shored up the line either way and Favre hasn't had a great tight end since Chumura. Instead the last years of Favres career had Rodgers sitting on the bench rotting and eating up huge amounts of cap space! HUGE HUGE HUGE AMOUNTS! If the Packers had drafted Miller or Mankins they could have spent the huge amount of money they wasted on Rodgers, (wasted sitting on the bench for 3 seasons) on free agents and shored up the D a bit more or even got a higher quality running back to go with the O.

 

As great as Rodgers is playing you can't deny that he was an F for his 1st three years. Not an incomplete an F. He got paid but never played, that's not on him but it's a fact.

 

Any Green Bay fans think Favre might have performed better if they drafted studs around Favre instead of working on his backup 5 years too early?

BINGO!

 

That being said, I never have been a Rodgers hater. I just wanted another Super Bowl run or 2 starting 4 years ago. As it looks now they could compete next season with this (Capers) defense, Shanny as the head Coach with McCarthy sent home to play with his toy trucks.

[Sho Nuff 720]

And neither did TT....because they never talked. What if the Vikings were willing to give up multiple draft picks and players to get the deal done? Isn't that the smart move for a GM? Sure, fans would hate the move....but as a GM, you do what's best for the team. Period.

 

Would it have been difficult? Yeah, and I'm aware that I'm expecting too much from any GM in those exact circumstances to pawn off an icon to a division rival. But what if you could have totally assraped the Vikings in the deal.....way beyond the Cutler/Bears trade....I'm talking Herschel Walker type deal. In that case, don't you at least entertain the possibility?

 

Thing is..the Vikings were not likely to give up all that much IMO. Not to help out GB. Nowhere near even what the bears gave up IMO and no way for any Herschel deal.

[FeelingMN 273]

Thing is..the Vikings were not likely to give up all that much IMO. Not to help out GB. Nowhere near even what the bears gave up IMO and no way for any Herschel deal.

 

Maybe....maybe not....how do you really know unless you exercise due dilligence?

 

Whatever. I agree with you in that the entire situation was handled poorly by everyone involved....and ultimately everyone involved has what they wanted to begin with.

[donhaas 18]

You didn't answer my hypothetical, FeelingMN....

 

So, you'd give Walter Payton to the Packers so as not to feel "petty"

You got Barry Sanders, right? What do you care what Walter Payton does (or where he goes) if he's not good enough for your team anyways??

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

Funny stuff

[PsychoBelichickFan 0]

lucky win last night cheese head people..........one and done in the playoffs.........do you guys really want to lose a third time to the vikes this year?

 

Dallas and zona will wipe the floor with you....hth......just saying....

[FeelingMN 273]

You didn't answer my hypothetical, FeelingMN....

 

So, you'd give Walter Payton to the Packers so as not to feel "petty"

You got Barry Sanders, right? What do you care what Walter Payton does (or where he goes) if he's not good enough for your team anyways??

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Funny stuff

 

Oh....I thought I implied I'd do it. I forgot you're a sconny so I'll talk slowly to make sure you get the gist. If....the....price....was....right.....I....would.....trade...any....player.

 

If I could fleece the other team involved, and I was certain Payton was more a name than a player....and I was confident Sanders would be productive, I would have no problem moving Payton.

 

And TT had no problem moving Favre...he went to the Jets after all....but was that the best deal available? Dunno, but it seemed like TT was hedging his bets by trading Favre to the Jets and not even entertaining offers from the Vikings/Bears/Lions.

 

On the flip side...Walter Payton has resurrected your franchise. He has made your team a national draw. You owe a lot of your success as a franchise over the last 14 years to him. You want to part ways because you have Barry Sanders waiting in the wings. Payton agrees to part ways but makes overtures of playing just down the street with your rival. So what do you do? Do you take 30 cents on the dollar to make sure he doesn't play for a rival? Or do you make the best possible deal in order to improve your team? Depending on what you do, are you more PR Director or NFL GM?