LOST Season Five Thread

[Snoopy1 0]

If Jack and Co actually did manage to get the bomb to explode, changing the future so the plane never crashed...does that mean that we actually didn't watch the show???

[kutulu 1,680]

Didn't get a chance to rewind it, but anyone catch the name of the book Jacob was reading right before Locke's fall?

 

Also, anyone translate what Richard said when asked what lies in the shadow?

[kutulu 1,680]

I haven't confirmed this, but one of the LOST forums said the translation from Latin of Richard's answer was,

"He Who Will Save Us All."

[The Moz 69]

wouldn't that be John -- his dead body was laying in the shadow of the statue.

 

 

I am kinda Pissed in that short time we got to actually see Jacob he was my favorite character.

 

 

so there is 2 forces on the Island or at least was.. Then Maybe Jacob set it in motion like that knowing that losties would blow the bomb in 77 - the plane never lands and thus Jacob is never killed either.

 

anyone know the name of the adversary of Jacob - ie - who Locke really was??

[kutulu 1,680]

anyone know the name of the adversary of Jacob - ie - who Locke really was??

 

Not sure either has been confirmed, but this was at Lostpedia under Triva for Jacob's enemy:

 

The casting call described him as "Samuel. Any ethnicity, 40s-60s. A corporate raider looking to take over his next company. Powerful, devious and obtuse. He has a cunning intellect and a strong sense of danger. May lead to recurring. Looking for someone very interesting and very special for this role..." [1]

The actions of this individual closely resemble those of the "Un-Man", the demonic spirit controlling Professor Edward Weston in C.S. Lewis' planetary romance Perelandra. In the novel, the Un-Man entered an island planet by taking possession of a dead man, and did not take direct action, but rather worked through trying to persuade another to commit an evil act. This persuasion involved questioning the motivations of a being who had until then been considered an undisputed spiritual authority.

In the Bible, Jacob's brother, with whom he has a tenuous and sometimes antagonistic relationship, is named Esau.

[The Moz 69]

Wasn't Jacob like in the statues foot? not the shadow. Would be interesting if what lies at the shadow of the statue ( answer translated as the savior ) is actually Locke - his body is laying there. much to take in after this.

 

only obvious things are - the Illana Brahm group are the "good guys"

 

1 theory I like though is that Jacob knew all this would happen and he set in motion for faraday , jack , etc to blow the hatch in 77. Negating everyhting the X man did to kill him - as 815 never crashes. Maybe thats just hoping because Jacobs character was so interesting i don't want him dead.

 

2010 - who knows but it looks like the losties might of been transported to 2010 and the story picks up there -- maybe it juts means the show comes back in 2010 but I doubt it.

[kutulu 1,680]

After this season, I think its time for a complete re-watch of seasons 1-5 to get hyped for the final season. Maybe I'll start it in the fall and by the time I'm done, it will be ime for the new season.

 

I may try to watch it in this fashion:

 

reWatching Lost

[IAMWood 6]

Didn't get a chance to rewind it, but anyone catch the name of the book Jacob was reading right before Locke's fall?

 

Can't remember word for word, but it was something like," Everything that rises, must come down."

 

[kutulu 1,680]

Can't remember word for word, but it was something like," Everything that rises, must come down."

 

 

I thought it said something about "converging"?

[IAMWood 6]

I thought it said something about "converging"?

 

Maybe so, you know how I get things wrong. I remember a spear pointing to a pigeon's chest too. Someone help us out here.

 

[kutulu 1,680]

Maybe so, you know how I get things wrong. I remember a spear pointing to a pigeon's chest too. Someone help us out here.

 

 

 

Found it, "The name of the title story in that O'Connor book Jacob was reading, Everything That Rises Must Converge,"

 

linky

 

Also, in the comments in that link:

 

The text in Jacob's tapestry at the beginning is Ancient Greek. I'm rusty with that, I could only make out some letters. The answer to what lies in the shadow of the statue is "ille quid nos omnes servabit" or "he who will save/protect us all."

[The Moz 69]

a good theory I recently read. Looks pretty feasible.

 

link to lostpedia thread on it

[Quickolas1 80]

because they succeeded in getting the bomb to blow, the incident did happen and the plane will crash

right?

[The Moz 69]

3 other things i take from the finale

 

A. Widemore was throw off the island becasue he was with Mr. X and is working with him.

 

B. Jacob wanted to die and has everything set up exactly as he planned it.

 

C. Locke is the "savior " regarded to in the answer to the riddle. Walt's dream -- youre back on the Island surrounded by poeple - they want to kill you John. One way or the other he will be back but for real this time. his body also can be considered in the shadow of the statue and at the place where Jacob saiud he would be

[Sho Nuff 720]

3 other things i take from the finale

 

A. Widemore was throw off the island becasue he was with Mr. X and is working with him.

 

B. Jacob wanted to die and has everything set up exactly as he planned it.

 

C. Locke is the "savior " regarded to in the answer to the riddle. Walt's dream -- youre back on the Island surrounded by poeple - they want to kill you John. One way or the other he will be back but for real this time. his body also can be considered in the shadow of the statue and at the place where Jacob saiud he would be

 

Or...Locke is that Mr. X now and with Jacob gone someone needs to take his place. As in the last scene of the show is Locke and John having a similar conversation by the statue...with Jack as the new Jacob.

[The Moz 69]

As a fertility goddess she was also associated with the innundation, particularly at Gebel el-Silsila. According to "The Book of the Dead", Taweret guarded the paths to the mountains of the west which led to the underworld and could also use magic to help the deceased pass safely through that dangerous and frightening land.

[The Moz 69]

Time Event Loop.

 

 

you actually were partially right.

 

Listening to Jacob and ??? conversation at the start - ( maybe the most signifigant scene in LOST ever ) it is clear they have been trying to do something for a very long time ( what - who knows right now -- maybe provide a way for mankind to live in peace with others ... an answer to the Valenzeti eqaution ) each time they try it fails. Black rock was another Oceanic 815.. ??? doesn't want to bother trying anymore where Jacob sees each failure as merely progress and eventually he will succeed.

[kutulu 1,680]

“Everything Rises That Must Converge,” a book shown on the series’ season finale Wednesday night, was written by an author strongly influenced by her religion.

 

As “Lost” fans lament the time until the sixth season begins, they have many mysteries to ponder, including the significance of a book, Flannery O’Connor’s “Everything That Rises Must Converge,” shown during Wednesday night’s season finale.

 

“Flannery O’Connor’s use of Christian theology in concert with sudden, unexpected violence was inspiring to us. She was truly an exceptional writer,” said Carlton Cuse, the show’s executive producer, in an interview with the Milledgeville, Ga., Union-Recorder—the newspaper of her hometown.

 

Cuse wouldn’t say exactly why O’Connor’s collection of short stories was used, but said he and show writer Damon Lindelof “hope viewers will explore the books and find their own answers.”

 

linky

[itsbigmoni 1]

How did that guy leave his body? How was he trapped? How was he freed?

 

Sayid trying to kill little ben seems pretty insignificant now. Just a few episodes we thought it was a huge thing and it was gonna change everything. But now we know he's just a pawn.

 

THey make jacob seem like a good guy throughout the episode. Even in the beginning of the episode, you could tell he was a good guy and someone who is an optimist. However, when ben lets his insecurities out in the open, getting all emotional, jacob seems cold in his reponse when he says, what about you.

 

Whats the loophole?

 

When jacob makes an appearance in the losties life, its usually in a good way. Here's a pen, i'll buy that lunch box, congrats on your weddings, etc. But when it comes to sayid, you could say he caused the death of his wife.

 

Also i'm very sad i have to wait 7 months for the answers.

 

Jacob tells kate not to steal again and she goes on to become a thief. She was on her way to the U.S. to face charges related to stealing.

[Kopy 570]

How did that guy leave his body? How was he trapped? How was he freed?

 

Sayid trying to kill little ben seems pretty insignificant now. Just a few episodes we thought it was a huge thing and it was gonna change everything. But now we know he's just a pawn.

 

THey make jacob seem like a good guy throughout the episode. Even in the beginning of the episode, you could tell he was a good guy and someone who is an optimist. However, when ben lets his insecurities out in the open, getting all emotional, jacob seems cold in his reponse when he says, what about you.

 

Whats the loophole?

 

When jacob makes an appearance in the losties life, its usually in a good way. Here's a pen, i'll buy that lunch box, congrats on your weddings, etc. But when it comes to sayid, you could say he caused the death of his wife.

 

Also i'm very sad i have to wait 7 months for the answers.

 

Jacob tells kate not to steal again and she goes on to become a thief. She was on her way to the U.S. to face charges related to stealing.

 

I think the loophole is Ben.

 

Mr.X can't kill Jacob (think of a good and a bad angel, god versus the devil) unless there is a loop hole, someone else has to do the killing.

When your a leader of the others, and you leave the island. You then can never go back. However, Ben didn't want to leave, and he didn't want to give up his position. He just wanted to do what he had to, to save the island. So when he discoverd a way to get back to the island, he took it, because he believes he shouldn't have to be bannished for doing his job.

 

Now that someone who isn't supposed to be on the island anymore. (And think about all the characters involved. Ben is the only person on the island, who isn't supposed to be there in someway shape or form.)

Ben becomes the loophole.

 

Interesting to see if Richard works for Jacob? And Smokey works for Mr.X?

Will we see a Richard versus Smokey cage match next year?

[The Moz 69]

Thing I don't understand is if Ilana is working for Jacob why would she try to find him in a place where Esau/Samuel ( X ) was living. jacobs home was always in the Statue.

[kutulu 1,680]

Thing I don't understand is if Ilana is working for Jacob why would she try to find him in a place where Esau/Samuel ( X ) was living. jacobs home was always in the Statue.

 

 

Why do you say he was never there? Maybe it was his "summer home" at one point.

 

In 2007, Ilana, Bram, and Frank visit the cabin. Ilana inspects the cabin and finds it empty, declaring that Jacob has not been there for "some time" but that "someone else" has been using it.

 

`lostpedia

[edjr 6,599]

Has anyone checked the casket Locke was in on the plane to see if he's still in there or not?

 

 

[Kopy 570]

Thing I don't understand is if Ilana is working for Jacob why would she try to find him in a place where Esau/Samuel ( X ) was living. jacobs home was always in the Statue.

 

Because she's never been to the island before?

I don't really know.

 

I think maybe she's just Jacobs version of Richard off the island. He uses Richard on the island, and Llana everywhere else.

And then he has a question only the 2 of them know the answer to, should they ever meet if a major catastrophe happened.

(Like Lock being the real Lock).

[kutulu 1,680]

 

That scene blew a hole a mile wide in my John Locke, number 6 pick overall in my LOST character draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Course, now it might never have happened.

[edjr 6,599]

also, i love all you people trying to figure things out.

 

like i've been saying for 4 years, the writers don't even know what's going to happen, how can you?

[kutulu 1,680]

also, i love all you people trying to figure things out.

 

like i've been saying for 4 years, the writers don't even know what's going to happen, how can you?

 

I don't think they have every story line fleshed out or every signle detail worked out, but I think they have a general outline of where the story is going to end. They have a lot of wiggle room to make things fit when needed and the writers have said that some questions will be left unanswered when the series is over. Myself, I do not spend much time trying to figure it out, but I do like reading other people's take on the show.

[Sho Nuff 720]

also, i love all you people trying to figure things out.

 

like i've been saying for 4 years, the writers don't even know what's going to happen, how can you?

 

Actually they do know whats going to happen...they have been working towards the end point the whole time. They talked in the recap how excited they are to finally get to that point.

[itsbigmoni 1]

I think the loophole is Ben.

 

Mr.X can't kill Jacob (think of a good and a bad angel, god versus the devil) unless there is a loop hole, someone else has to do the killing.

When your a leader of the others, and you leave the island. You then can never go back. However, Ben didn't want to leave, and he didn't want to give up his position. He just wanted to do what he had to, to save the island. So when he discoverd a way to get back to the island, he took it, because he believes he shouldn't have to be bannished for doing his job.

 

Now that someone who isn't supposed to be on the island anymore. (And think about all the characters involved. Ben is the only person on the island, who isn't supposed to be there in someway shape or form.)

Ben becomes the loophole.

 

Interesting to see if Richard works for Jacob? And Smokey works for Mr.X?

Will we see a Richard versus Smokey cage match next year?

 

Well, ben did want to leave for some reason. He was told to have locke move the island but he moved it himself and when he did that, he knew he wasn't giong to be allowed back on the island. Also, the leaders can leave the island, but i think he got kicked out becasue he moved the island. There are plenty of past episodes that show ben off the island at the time he was a leader.

 

I think the loophole isn't as simple as, a former leader of the others that came back. The loophole has to do something with lock imo. I don't think mr. x would comment "You have no idea what i did to get here" on somethign like bringing back a former leader. I think mr. x plans started way back and centered around getting locke to become the leader of the others. He had to trick so many people.

[IAMWood 6]

When Locke fell from the building. His eyes were closed and apparently dead until Jacob touched him on the shoulder. Did Jacob bring him back to life? Did Jacob's soul go into his and cease when Ben killed him? Is that why Mr. X could get into Locke's soul? Hmmmm....

 

I usually don't know wtf I am talking about.

 

[remote controller 143]

haven't seen one minute of it

[Voltaire 5,317]

I think Jacob has the ability to prolong life and heal wheras Mr. X is all about death and the underworld. The smoke monster and all the sightings of dead people on the island are controlled by Mr. X whereas all he unnatural healing, lack of aging is because of Jacob.

[kutulu 1,680]

haven't seen one minute of it

[MLCKAA 575]

Just a few loose ends, plus some things that no longer seem to have much relevance to the meta-narrative:

 

1. Juliette. Why is she even there on the island? Richard left the island only thrice between '54 and '77, so we understand he seldom leaves the island. What was so important about Juliette that he left the island to meet with her?

 

2. What about the island fertility problem? In light of what we know now, the question is: so effing what? Women on the island can't survive pregnancy. So what. This has nothing to do with the time warping, good vs. evil, or the mythology of Jacob.

 

3. Who effing cares about Widmore? Anyone notice that the Widmore storyline has died? Widmore and Ben were enemies and Widmore was desperate to return to the island but, otherwise, so what? Who cares? Clearly Widmore has no relevance in the final chapters, has no relevance to Jacob and is not really a player here. Why has so much of the show focused on Ben's conflict with Widmore?

 

4. Kate and Juliette are sisters? In the scene where Juliette gets all crybaby about her parents divorcing, that is Kate sitting there next to her on the sofa. WTF?

 

5. Aaron-- again, so what? Would seem to have little relevance any more.

 

Now that Jacob has been revealed and we see that what's really going on with the Island is a struggle between Jacob and Mr. X, I'm left feeling like more than half of the last 5 seasons has just been fluff that has no continuing importance. Most of what has happened thus far seems to have no place in the endgame.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Just a few loose ends, plus some things that no longer seem to have much relevance to the meta-narrative:

 

1. Juliette. Why is she even there on the island? Richard left the island only thrice between '54 and '77, so we understand he seldom leaves the island. What was so important about Juliette that he left the island to meet with her?

 

2. What about the island fertility problem? In light of what we know now, the question is: so effing what? Women on the island can't survive pregnancy. So what. This has nothing to do with the time warping, good vs. evil, or the mythology of Jacob.

 

3. Who effing cares about Widmore? Anyone notice that the Widmore storyline has died? Widmore and Ben were enemies and Widmore was desperate to return to the island but, otherwise, so what? Who cares? Clearly Widmore has no relevance in the final chapters, has no relevance to Jacob and is not really a player here. Why has so much of the show focused on Ben's conflict with Widmore?

 

4. Kate and Juliette are sisters? In the scene where Juliette gets all crybaby about her parents divorcing, that is Kate sitting there next to her on the sofa. WTF?

 

5. Aaron-- again, so what? Would seem to have little relevance any more.

 

Now that Jacob has been revealed and we see that what's really going on with the Island is a struggle between Jacob and Mr. X, I'm left feeling like more than half of the last 5 seasons has just been fluff that has no continuing importance. Most of what has happened thus far seems to have no place in the endgame.

 

1. She was a doctor who specialized in fertilization, her sister got cancer and was said she would never be able to get pregnant. Juliet found some treatment through a lot of research that made her sister fertile again and she got prego. The others followed her research and wanted to come to the island to see if she could help the mothers on the island, since everytime they got prego they would die by the 3rd trimester. Then Ben got an uber boner over her and manipulated her to stay on the island...

 

2. It's still an unanswered question, we do know that back in the day before the incident that women had no trouble with giving birth. Since then...or maybe sometime after(we are not sure when it started), women started dying before giving birth. We still don't know why, there are many theories, look through the other Lost threads and you will find plenty of possible answers.

 

3. Widmore is an absolute key player to the island and the island's future. Widmore will certainly still very relevant throughout the last season, especially since we know Desmond returned and i am betting Penny goes with him...

 

4. Juliet's sister had cancer and was still in the mainland, Kate and Juliet are definitely not sisters...but knowing this show you never know....

 

5. Aaron is VERY special, we now know Claire is special is some way, Aaron was born ON the island, and it seems everyone born on the island has a special connection with the island. I definitely think Aaron will play a key role next season in some way.

 

 

There were a few "Fluff" episodes, but most episodes this season have had relevance to the storyline and plot, this show has so much going on that sometimes it's hard to know....

[RicemanX 20]

Can't wait for Philly's 30 page novel.

 

I don't know dudes....all my friends were looking up bible references to Jacob and his son Ben and stuff like that. They're telling me the last scene was very biblical and stuff...I'm just not into that at all. And I'm afraid that season 6 and the ending is just going to be totally biblical and just fly over my head.

 

Jesus, Devil, Yawn.

[MLCKAA 575]

1. She was a doctor who specialized in fertilization, her sister got cancer and was said she would never be able to get pregnant. Juliet found some treatment through a lot of research that made her sister fertile again and she got prego. The others followed her research and wanted to come to the island to see if she could help the mothers on the island, since everytime they got prego they would die by the 3rd trimester. Then Ben got an uber boner over her and manipulated her to stay on the island...

 

2. It's still an unanswered question, we do know that back in the day before the incident that women had no trouble with giving birth. Since then...or maybe sometime after(we are not sure when it started), women started dying before giving birth. We still don't know why, there are many theories, look through the other Lost threads and you will find plenty of possible answers.

 

3. Widmore is an absolute key player to the island and the island's future. Widmore will certainly still very relevant throughout the last season, especially since we know Desmond returned and i am betting Penny goes with him...

 

4. Juliet's sister had cancer and was still in the mainland, Kate and Juliet are definitely not sisters...but knowing this show you never know....

 

5. Aaron is VERY special, we now know Claire is special is some way, Aaron was born ON the island, and it seems everyone born on the island has a special connection with the island. I definitely think Aaron will play a key role next season in some way.

There were a few "Fluff" episodes, but most episodes this season have had relevance to the storyline and plot, this show has so much going on that sometimes it's hard to know....

 

I disagree with you on all accounts, though it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks about this show, including myself.

 

1 & 2. I've seen all the episodes, so I don't need a recounting of what happened. My complaint about this plot element is that it no longer has any bearing on the people or events of the island.

 

3. No connection has ever been shown between Widmore and Jacob, only Widmore and Ben. There is no reason, based on what we have learned this past season, to think that he is "an absolute key player" or has and relevance in the endgame.

 

4. The little brunette next to Juliette on the sofa was DEFINITELY the same actress who portrayed the young Kate. I would love to be proven wrong.

 

5. There is no evidence that Aaron is even relevant, let alone "VERY" special. For that matter, the evidence that Claire is special in some way is thin at best. She disappeared a long time ago and has made a cameo, but we've learned nothing new about her.What other character was born on the island? We can guess that Charlotte was, but who knows. Was Miles born there? I don't remember

 

Greatest show ever.

[Rybo5 0]

4. The little brunette next to Juliette on the sofa was DEFINITELY the same actress who portrayed the young Kate. I would love to be proven wrong.

 

First, if you go back and watch again, the mother called the brunette Rachel, which is of course Juliette's sister's name.

 

Second, if you check the cast list in the link below, the young Rachel actress was Savannah Lathem and the young Kate actress was Emily Rae Argenti.

 

http://www.tv.com/no-name/The+Incident+(2)...48/summary.html

[Snoopy1 0]

4. The little brunette next to Juliette on the sofa was DEFINITELY the same actress who portrayed the young Kate. I would love to be proven wrong.

 

First, if you go back and watch again, the mother called the brunette Rachel, which is of course Juliette's sister's name.

 

Second, if you check the cast list in the link below, the young Rachel actress was Savannah Lathem and the young Kate actress was Emily Rae Argenti.

 

http://www.tv.com/no-name/The+Incident+(2)...48/summary.html

 

 

[MLCKAA 575]

First, if you go back and watch again, the mother called the brunette Rachel, which is of course Juliette's sister's name.

 

Second, if you check the cast list in the link below, the young Rachel actress was Savannah Lathem and the young Kate actress was Emily Rae Argenti.

 

http://www.tv.com/no-name/The+Incident+(2)...48/summary.html

 

 

Well, I SAID I'd love to be proven wrong. Pow! Served!