LOST Season Five Thread

itsbigmoni · May 17, 2009

Just a few loose ends, plus some things that no longer seem to have much relevance to the meta-narrative:

1. Juliette. Why is she even there on the island? Richard left the island only thrice between '54 and '77, so we understand he seldom leaves the island. What was so important about Juliette that he left the island to meet with her?

He said he met with Locke 3 times, not that he only left 3 times. We don't know how many times he's left the island.

I agree with you a bit though in regards to a lot of stuff not being important now that we know its a battle between mr. x and jacob. Remember a few weeks ago when sayid was gonna try to shoot ben and that was going to change EVERYTHING. We couldn't believe he was gonna get killed, how it would change everything, etc. Now we know killing ben would have done basically nothing. In that sense, it is a little disapointing.

phillybear · May 17, 2009

5.16 The Incident, Part I

Where to begin, where to begin? Well, let’s start with some tangents. I popped in the DVD movie Taken last night to distract me from a long Sunday of LOST themed activity of dissecting video and typing until my fingers ache. Taken features Maggie Grace, who played Shannon on Lost during the first two seasons. She was playing a 17 year old girl in this flick, even though I sure she is over 30. Liam Neeson on the other hand is 90 years old, but dyed his hair in black shoe polish and is trying to pass himself off as a bad ass superhero even though he looks like Bruce Willis’ great, great grandfather. Horrible dialogue and awful acting ensued for about an hour and a half. It was like watching a Kate flashback episode. See, that didn’t take long, to get my first shot in. I highly recommend that you avoid this pile of pig sh!t. Now, on the other hand, the Kevin Smith directed comedy movie Dogma is highly underrated. The film follows two fallen angels, Loki and Bartleby (Matt Damon and Ben Affleck), who, through a loophole in Catholic Dogma find a way to get back into Heaven after being cast out by God—however, as God is infallible their success in doing so would prove Him/Her wrong and thus undo all creation. The last scion and two bumbling prophets are sent by the Voice of God to stop them. Dogma was a stark comparison point to this two part season finale. The ultimate cliché battle and the never ending search for “the” loophole.

The opening segment was most likely the explanation of the whole series. Jacob in a white shirt, an unnamed adversary in a black shirt. Good vs. Evil perhaps. God vs. Satan perhaps. A man we come to know as Jacob is making thread to create a tapestry. Later, as he is having a bit of lunch and watching the Black Rock arrive at the island, he is joined by another man. He accuses Jacob of bringing them to the island just so that he can prove X wrong. Yes, what else can I call him, and save myself some typing. X declares they came to fight, destroy, corrupt. Jacob says it only has to end once, and all other events prior to that are progress. So, it’s a time loop with the same characters over and over again, something I’ve been pushing for a long time. Rather, it seems that the events loop, but with different characters. The whole story line replays, as the Black Rock is sure to be looking forward to as they drop anchor in a coconut tree. We have two ancient foes, reconstructing a story line, looking for weak spots, a chance to get the best of the other. Like Randolph and Mortimer Duke from Trading Places betting a single dollar on a social experiment. Although, I think the stakes may be higher, when you have characters running around an island willy nilly with a hydrogen bomb strapped to their backs. JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse, and Damon Lindenlof, the past and present brains behind Lost, are said to be getting ready to start working on making movies on Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series, which is 7 novel collection centered around a gunslinger, a man on a quest to reach the Dark Tower, and his adversary is The Man in Black, Randall Flagg. RF has appeared in several King books, and his goals typically center on bringing down civilizations, usually through spreading destruction and sowing conflict. Sound familiar to the profile of the X character as we come to see throughout these two episodes? X wants very badly want to kill Jacob and find a loophole. Well, as we’ve seen in history and movies, you can kill the character in white, but you don’t necessarily win. Jesus Christ is killed, yet is resurrected in 3 days. Aslan, the lion in The Chronicles of Narnia is killed by the White Witch, but doesn’t stay dead either. In both scenarios, the villains, whether Satan or a woman that looks like Andre the Giant got a false temporary victory. So it would hardly seem like the competition would be over even if Jacob was killed. But ultimately, these two scruffy gentlemen are looking for the loophole, which is not made clear as to what it is, but it sure looks like X found it by the end of the second episode, so more on that later. He get a better view of the statue, and I am absolutely convinced that we have confirmation, the ‘ole hippo head goddess.

5.8 LaFleur

So…..let’s take a look at the Egyptian goddess Taweret, protector of motherhood, fertility, and childbirth. Google it and read Wiki or something similar. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies. Her image was often shown as a pregnant woman, but we did not see the belly of the statue in this episode. She has four toes. Also, her likeness would often be seen holding an ankh, the symbol of life, the symbol on the necklace around Paul’s neck which Amy kept as the dead Paul was taken away by the others, something our statue was indeed holding. It just fits all too nicely and neatly for this statue to be Taweret

Flashback time, and we see a young Kate Austin near the beginning her career criminal life by trying to steal a lunchbox from a Mom and Pop drugstore. She gets caught, and Jacob comes out of nowhere to pay for it. At first, I just assumed that Jacob was simply doing some course correction, much like the folks associated with Eloise Hawking do from time to time. However, there are much deeper implications here. I’m sure that everybody saw Jacob playfully touch Kate on the nose, something you don’t want to do nowadays without being questioned by police about kid touching. But when he made that contact with his nose, I saw some really weird yet subtle light in Jacob’s right eye when the camera panned back to him. And that got me suspicious. So, every time Jacob showed up in an Losties life, it was the exact same thing. Jacob physically touched everybody. Why? Two reasons. One, he is marking everybody with his touch, so that they will eventually arrive at the island, a homing device in a way. After all, Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island. What if he is doing this by going out into the world, and actually contacting people. Next, you know how the Smoke Monster can scan a person’s mind, and get all sorts of images out of their heads. Well, at this point, let’s just say I think Smokey is X, or at least uses X as a human form, or is using X’s corpse/image as a vehicle for appearance. Why couldn’t Jacob have a similar power, where if he touches somebody, he knows their life story too. After all, what kind of competition is Jacob and X having if they don’t have similar abilities/powers? Back at the sub, Kate is explaining how she came back to get some help and to ruin any happiness Sawyer may have without Frecklestein in his life. Oh, and Jack has a bomb. Sawyer tells her no, much like Jack deciding not to go to surgery to help Ben when he got shot. Sawyer wants a chance at a good life and screw the island. Following Daniel’s notes, Sayid removes the rich fluffy center out of the radiation leaking Twinkie. Richard confirms that Eloise is pregnant.

5.15 Follow The Leader

Widmore takes her aside to argue with her, and if you didn’t notice, he placed his hand over her stomach, as a man might do to a pregnant woman. Yep, seems like Eloise is pregnant right now, with Daniel or possibly Penny

Not since the movie Armageddon have two people cared so much about drilling as Radzinsky and Chang. And what are the odds I would have not one, but two Ben Affleck references in the same writeup. Besides, our Ben Linus is a pretty interesting actor, while I do believe Ben Affleck sucks ass. Or Eric Cartmans’ hand as it sings about tacos and burritos. Radzinsky is completely obsessed, calling himself Edison, complaining about 6 years worth of work on the Swan, and never having sex with another person. Again, I can’t stress enough the importance of cantaloupes in the life of a bachelor. Ben is painstakingly explaining to Sun that Jacob is in charge of the island, Locke is the leader and answers to Jacob. Apparently Jacob ignored all of Ben’s phone calls, never responded to the pajama gram gifts, and even put a restraining order out on all men on the island that have bulging eyes like somebody just hit his foot with an oversized mallet. Richard is giving Locke a hard time over his resurrection and his disbelief in it. Locke counters with the never aging phenomenon or Richard. Locke wants to thank Jacob personally, then announces that they will have to deal with the Ajira people next. I think it was around this point I started taking notes about the loophole, and since the leader of the Others is such a key job in relation to Jacob, communication must lead to having an audience with him, it stands to reason that if you become a leader of the Others, you have the ability to kill Jacob, or at the very least, order a follower to kill Jacob. Maybe that is what it boils down really. Getting one of your disciples, and Ben certainly was, to denounce you and kill you. X was certainly spending a lot of time egging on Ben the last few days, ttaking jabs at him, setting him up for future action, from the moment Ben woke up after being clobbered by Sun with the paddle. Illana and her crew arrive at Lost island with Frank. They discuss “candidates” which seems to me indicates folks that might be able to be possessed by a power on the island, like X, the smoke monster. He’s been Christian, Yemi, and Alex, for example, and all of them are dead and their corpses are out there on the island. Or is it a different type of candidate, someone special that is able to leave the island and come back. Then again, we know Ben was able to leave and come back quite a bit when he was an Other. Tom said he could do it. Nevermind. Corpse it is. They are lugging a huge Ajira container and you have to wonder if there might be an easier way to move whatever is inside through an overgrown jungle.

Sawyer flashback, and his parents are newly dead. He starts to write the famous Dear Mr Sawyer letter from Season 1, but his pen dies. So Jacob is on the scene to give him a writing instrument and touch his fingers on the exchange. Even if I wasn’t looking for it, it would have made me uncomfortable. So, it seems that Jacob’s list is most likely composed of people he touched in the outside world, handpicked to come to the island. And every person ended up time traveling, other than Sun and Illana, but both survived the plane crash, which was a bit of a miracle. As Sawyer is baffled by the Jack will reset everything by the bomb, the unspoken distress Sawyer may be feeling isn’t for Juliet or Kate, but he finally got his revenge on original Sawyer on the island, killing the man who ruined his life. Since that time, he was been a changed man. Now, he would be giving all that up to go back to being a bum tossed out of Australia and headed back to a life of con jobs. Juliet decides to free them, and the gang forces the captain to surface, shoot out the communications, and then have a couple of Scooby Snacks. Groovy. I’m still not all that clear why sedatives are needed for the passengers. If you are worried about revealing the location of the island, well, a submarine does not have windows. We’ve seen people travel in and out of the island bubble for a couple of seasons now. As Sayid pulls the hydrogen mussel from its shell, Richard tells Jack that he’s met Locke 3 times off the island, and he didn’t seem all that special to him. Jack says not to give up on him. Sound advice at the time, I’m sure. But Richard, for the love of God, do not EVER take Jack’s advice on anything including what to order from a menu, how to get back to the highway, or “is this a rash“? It’s just wrong. Locke continues to needle Ben, giving a load of grief about life, the universe, and everything. After confirming that Ben has to do whatever Simon Says, Locke tells Ben that he is the one that is going to kill Jacob.

Sayid flashback, and Jacob is asking for directions. We end up seeing Nadia’s death scene and the set up to Ben using Sayid to go on a killing spree. Actually, if you think about it, Sayid was Ben’s puppet, and was manipulated into shooting Ben on the island in 1977. But in actuality, Ben was manipulated by Jacob to manipulate Sayid, as we will discuss later on in Part 2. Jacob touches Sayid’s shoulder and goes away. In the tunnels, Richard breaks through solid concrete and cinder blocks with a hammer in a matter of seconds, which is bigger unexplained phenomenon than Richard not aging. I bet if the Dharma folks in that house were trying to put up a dartboard in their basement, they would have found the tunnels years ago. Richard decides to pistol whip Eloise and drag her away. He needs to protect their leader. Interesting, how Eloise has been acting like she was in charge at camp, and now is called THE leader by Richard. What about Widmore, and his claim that he was leader for 30 years. Is this total bullsh!t, and he was merely the First Lady? Co-leader. This has been bothering me for half the season now. Sayid and Jack hide in plain sight, until drunky Roger recognizes Sayid gets mad at Jack for stealing his gal Kate away, and also the thing about what’s his name my son. You can’t reason with a drunk who can shoot like Annie Oakley. I have a bomb…direct hit into the stomach. Jack goes Rambo and actually hits a few targets as Hurley and the other minor characters pull up in the superhero van and whisks Jack and Sayid to semi-safety.

Paddling back to the island, Juliet glances at the disappearing sub, knowing that her last chance of escape from the island is gone. As they land, Vincent, Rose, and Bernard appear from the jungle in order of intelligence. And only Vincent is excited. Instead of asking where everybody else is, or why the time jumps stopped, or how Kate got back to the island, they just look annoyed. As the van is getting closer to the Swan, Jack’s mouth is writing checks his ass may not be able to cash. Sure, Jin, we will reunite you with Sun. Of course, Hurley, Sayid will be OK. Sayid, we will get you a new, more improved stomach. Miles, well, Jack don’t like you Miles, so piss off. And then we will all go out for chocolate milkshakes. Rose and Bernard are supposed to be the comic relief I guess, and they point out they know all about what it going on on the island, Dharma and the searching and blah blah. They have retired. “It’s always something with you people.” I couldn’t help but think, what if Bernard said that to Mr Eko, Michael, and Walt. Or to Sun, Jin, Chang, and Miles. Or Jack, a rock, and a rock.

Bernard: We just want to be together. That’s all that matters in the end.

Sure. And the world is going to end in 5 minutes. But you want to throw some down home old fashioned spun advice at us. Did you not hear the world “bomb”? I got tired of Life According to Bernard the second time he opened his mouth. You can go ahead and call him likeable. Well, you can. I won’t. Juliet catches Sawyer looking at Kate while Bernard prattles on about love and stuff. Well, as they leave to continue with their intercept mission, the camera lingers on Juliet, and you just know the way they are setting this up, she is going to die in a couple of minutes. Illana’s group is tromping through the jungle. They explain to Frank, a convenient hostage who allows the writers to tell us exactly what they are up to, that they need to show somebody what it inside the case big enough for a family of 16 illegal aliens to live in comfortably. And by aliens, I mean from space. That somebody needs to know what they are up against. “We’re the good guys’. This marks the 675th time this phrase has been uttered on Lost, and we still don’t know who the good guys truly are. And by uttered, I mean the dingle dangles hanging off a cow. Well, we know later on that Illana is working for Jacob, supposedly. She is trying to warn Jacob Somebody of what possible form X/Smokie can take on, since there is a body inside the cargo holder, which happens to be Locke, as we find out later on. As they find Jacob’s cabin, they see the ash is disturbed around it. Now, in seasons past, I’ve talked how salt/ash is an artifact that can be used to keep spirits inside a circle or keep outside spirits from entering the circle.

5.15 Follow The Leader

OR if Jacob does exist, he was trapped for some time by that volcanic ash and/or salt ring around the cabin, but has been released. But I think the Jacob is a hoax is more fun, so I will go with that for now.

Sigh. Well, if I didn’t try to edit last week’s writeup and try to keep it shorter, I would have had this scenario covered. But I got lazy. Jacob escaped. Who trapped him? We get an Illana flash back where she is in an infirmary and her face is bandaged up. Oh, how I wish someone would run up to Kate and throw acid in her face. Jacob visits and asks for Illana’s help. Which then leads me to conclude that Ben is not the one who tipped off Illana on where to find Sayid. Jacob did. He knew what flight was going to land on Hydra Island. I suppose he is the one who told Richard to tell Ben to build the runway too. The cabin is deserted and looks a lot like what I imagine Roger Linus’ cabin at the Barracks looks like.

Illana: Someone else has been using it.

Well, that would be X, who has been impersonating Christian. Explains why he was smirking when Locke asked if he was Jacob. It also means he convinced Locke/Ben to turn the donkey wheel to move the island, he led Jack to the caves in Season 1, he told Sun that she needed to follow John Locke to find Jin…almost any character that was a manifestation, Christian, tall ghost Walt, Libby, Yemi, Dave, etc. was a way for X to play towards the end game. That’s why rewatching Season 1-5 will be so interesting before Season 6 kicks in. Well, the group heads towards the Taweret statue.

Jacob is sitting on a park bench, reading Everything That Rises Must Converge by Flannery O’Connor. In the story, human weaknesses are exposed and important moral questions are explored through everyday situations. The title ''Everything That Rises Must Converge'' refers to an underlying religious message central to her work: aiming to expose the sinful nature of humanity that often goes unrecognized in the modern, secular world. The book seems to connect to the struggle between Jacob and X, the ancient battle that Eloise, Charles, and Ben have referred to in the past. Locke thumps on the ground, another vantage point to when his father pushed him out a hotel window. Jacob comes up, touches him on the shoulder, and says “I’m sorry this happened to you.” This may go beyond this immediate scene. This could be a reference to everything Locke will go through in the future as well, up to and including his death. Jacob was very purposeful in touching Locke for more than a casual second, possibly trying to get a sense of his mind for future confrontations with XLocke. The Others reach the old Losties camp and stop to rest. Locke gets more Ben confessions, how he pretended to be able to talk to Jacob when it was just an empty chair, until stuff started to fly round the room.

Locke explains to Ben that he got cancer, his daughter died, and for those loyal years of service to a man you never met, you were banished from the island. Why wouldn’t you want to kill Jacob? Um, I don’t think those reasons are good enough to get me personally to go egg Jacob’s house. Ben got cancer, but he got better. His daughter died, who he kidnapped from the real mother. I mean, exactly what is Ben so pissed about? What, that his innocence was taken away by a gun shot wound and being healed at the Temple. That saved his life. Hell, Ben was lured away from the Barracks as a child when he thought he saw his mother outside. It was SmokeX. Even way back then, he was starting to manipulate Ben for his final masterpiece, the loophole. Sun finds a ring with DS on it, a tribute to dead Charlie and his band Drive Shaft, a ring Charlie owned. Jacob appears at Sun and Jin’s wedding, and touches both of them on the shoulder. How much ecstasy can this guy consume. Touchy feely fellow, isn’t he?

Jacob: Never take your love for granted. It is very special.

Except of course when Sun cheats on Jin. Other than that, it’s very special. Well, Sun was trying to leave Jin and run away at the airport. Ok, other than that, it is very special. Can you blame the island for keeping Sun away from Jin. Jin had important stuff to do. Sayid modifies the bomb to explode on impact. Hurley stops the van because Sawyer, Juliet, and something that resembles Taweret but with freckles are blocking the road.

I don’t think I have the energy to start and finish Part 2 today. Since Fringe and Lost are over for this season, I have extra time on the weekdays, and I will try to have Part 2 done in the next few days. I started some theory, but didn’t finish all my thoughts, saving it for the next writeup. Should be more discussion on events from the past in a new light, and I don’t want to rush through it. But I think you know which directions I’m heading in, based on what you just read.

kutulu · May 17, 2009

5.16 The Incident, Part I

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kutulu · May 18, 2009

What's in the guitar case? I'm thinking a four string Fender Bass. :rolleyes:

What could Frank be a "candidate" for? :dunno: Perhaps a vessel for the now "killed" Jacob.

Will Juliet's juggs be effected by the nuclear explosion? :wub:

Sho Nuff · May 18, 2009

Will Juliet's juggs be effected by the nuclear explosion?

Those were looking quite good too before the incident...

MLCKAA · May 18, 2009

He said he met with Locke 3 times, not that he only left 3 times. We don't know how many times he's left the island.

I agree with you a bit though in regards to a lot of stuff not being important now that we know its a battle between mr. x and jacob. Remember a few weeks ago when sayid was gonna try to shoot ben and that was going to change EVERYTHING. We couldn't believe he was gonna get killed, how it would change everything, etc. Now we know killing ben would have done basically nothing. In that sense, it is a little disapointing.

No, he said he'd left the island 3 times and two of those were to see Locke.

kutulu · May 18, 2009

Those were looking quite good too before the incident...

I would like to have an "incident" all over them. :nono:

CantTouchThis · May 18, 2009

Yeah, the guitar case is something that is unanswered. Is their just a guitar or base in there? It there something more significant? We don't know, we just know that Jacob left it for Hurley to bring back to the island, so it could be anything.

Another thing....CLAIRE?!?!?! What happened to her, we still have no clue. We last saw her when she was just chillin in the cabin with her dad, after she suddenly abandoned her child and went off into the jungle in the middle of the night. This is why i think Aaron may be a key character in the near future, when Clare told Kate in a dream "Don't you dare bring him back" maybe it wasn't her being a protective mother, but the island telling Kate to not bring him back because Aaron is key to the power struggle of the island. Why? I have no clue...

We know the key players(or soon to be key, people we know are "special") right now are....

Jacob

Mr.X

John Locke

Benjamin Linus

Frank Lapetus( A "candidate" ? For what, who knows, but he unexpectedly made it back to the island, he will definitely have some sort of impact)

Miles

Walt

Desmond

Hurley

I think those are the 9 absolute key players on the future/past/whatever of the island. Widmore is always a key, but i agree he is fading, but just because of who he is and what he can do, he will always be in play in some way or another. Also, i think Aaron could possibly be a key/special, but we don't have enough evidence on that yet. WALT i think will become the key to everything, he has a special connection with the island that is stronger than anyone other than Jacob or Mr.X...

kutulu · May 20, 2009

I would like to have an "incident" all over them.

I'd settle for all over her ass. :thumbsup:

Voltaire · May 20, 2009

http://www.calendarlive.com/galleriesandmu...0,2295374.photo

Judging by the hatch painting, Sun could be huge. I think that Sun is going to be "the Candidate" that gets selected as Jacob's replacement. WTF all the fish and houses mean, I've no idea.

phillybear · May 24, 2009

5.17 The Incident, Part II

Well, it’s back to work. I hope to avoid being repetitive and covering again some of the material of the first part of this 3 part saga, but we shall see. Work was kicking my ass this week, so I barely had time to do much on this until Sunday, which is now today. Oh, and I failed to mention how much X looks like that gay naked guy on Survivor from Season 1, Richard Hatch. Holy hell, I thought it was a cameo at first.

The Others arrive at the statue, and as Richard identifies it as where Jacob lives, Xlocke basically goes D’oh why didn’t I figure that out. Sawyer demands 5 minutes with Jack alone, while the fate of the world hangs in the balance. Must be nice to put everybody in jeopardy like that without a care in the world about, well, the world. Jack flashback, where we see the origin of his surgery story that he told Kate way back at the beginning of the series. Jack apparently accidently sliced open a woman in surgery, and her nerves were falling out of their sack like a leaky plastic bag full of soup. Or when Jack tilts his head, oatmeal *bloops* out of his ears. Either way. Count to 5. I was surprised as anyone that Jack didn’t go One, Two, Elventeen, Zebra, Kumquat, Five, Ollie, Ollie, Oxycotin. But, at least Jack screwed up getting a candy bar. Yes, it was our favorite brand of Apollo. Jack is mad that his father called a timeout on him in front of his staff. This marks the first time in the history of modern discipline that a timeout actually worked. Personally, I think Christian should have taken off his belt and chased Jack around the surgery table. Like Homer Simpson chasing Bart down the street with a medieval mace, swinging it around and around, yelling “I’ll mace you good.”

Jack: I need my team to believe in me.

Oh, what else can I say here. A bit selfish, but fine. Jack has bigger things to screw up. Jacob hands over the candy to Jack and touches Jack’s fingers for about 5 seconds. If I wasn’t suspicious of all the touching by now, I surely would not have missed it in this scene, the way the camera stayed on the hands for an excruciatingly long time. Can you be more obvious? Well, at least it was the second time I watched. Sawyer and Jack have a pow wow, and as Sawyer told Jack about Christian drinking himself to death in an Australian bar back in Season 1, this time Sawyer explains his own parent’s gruesome death much to Jack’s boredom. Sawyer is still clinging to WHH, as he could have tried to prevent the death of his parents by leaving the island in the last 3 years, but chose not to.

Sawyer: What did you screw up so bad that you need a second chance?

Exactly. Holy hell, did Sawyer read my mind or what. All this hydrogen bomb stuff is about Kate. It’s not about saving hundreds of lives, ending misery. No, it’s about a woman that is rotten to the core but pretty to look at. These are two alpha male gorillas beating each other over the head with sacks full of bananas over a broad that is one day away from boiling Dharma bunnies in a kettle of Dharma box wine. Jack puts out the weak argument of Locke wanting us to come back, and it’s destiny. Yeah, nobody is buying it. Much to the show’s credit, they come clean rather quickly since Sawyer stumbled onto the truth.

Jack: I had her. I lost her.

Sawyer is incredulous, as am I, as is 99% of the people watching this show. Hey, she is right over there. Go talk to her.

Jack: It’s too late for that. If it’s meant to be, it’s meant to be.

Jack Sucks Moment of the Week. Have I handed this award out yet so far? Well, even if it’s the first one…you lose a girl, and instead of talking to her, you decide detonating a hydrogen bomb is a better option? Are you kidding? Hell, don’t get me wrong. I’d try to slam my skull into Jughead repeatedly until it went off or I knocked myself out before getting trapped by Kate’s wily ways. Well, we are talking Jack here, who still is in the mode of going up to a girl in his class and pulling her hair to get her attention. Except, this time it’s a BOMB. So, all your destiny stuff is bullsh!t. It’s the equivalent of Obama seeing Michelle making googly eyes at whoever is running Canada. I assume it’s either Doug or Bob McKenzie. How‘s it going, eh? Hoser. Take off. Next thing you know, missiles level Saskatchewan, and Moosehead beer ceases to exist. And I can’t begin to fathom the fallout from such a selfish action. The horror. Does anybody realize how great Moosehead tastes. It’s the best beer EVAH. The nectar of the gods. A fight a long time coming breaks out and of course you have to be rooting for Sawyer out of principle. Imagine this happening in Season 1.Who are you rooting for? Exactly. Things change.

Sawyer: I had a life here.

Indeed, you did. But it was on borrowed time. Jacob and Xlocke had other plans, and it wasn’t forever. Sorry buddy. As the slugfest starting to slow down a bit, Sawyer kicks Jack in the balls, much to my amusement. I was reminded of the scene in zombie flick Grindhouse: Planet Terror, when Quentin Tarantino was determined to sexually assault Rose McGowan and took off his pants. His junk started to melt and like a chilled bottle of pancake syrup, started to glub, glub, glub, pull away from his sensitive groinal region and ever so slowly in a gelatinous sticky mess streeeeeeeeeeeeetch towards the floor. I hope somebody reading this is eating their breakfast right now, sincerely. I think this writeup just got a “R” rating if not worse. Anyway, Jack takes the nut shot. For Sawyer, it’s clobbering time. He gets on top of Jack and starts to wail away on him, like Tawny Kitaen on that poor baseball player husband of hers. Oh, stop with your accusations. I think women are lovely and do not spend my whole writeup bashing women. Consider the women on this show that I dislike:. Kate, Sun, Charlotte, Kaite, Jack’s ex-wife, Kayte, Shannon, Qate, Rose, K8, Claire the first 3 seasons, Khate, Amy, Cate, Jack, Nikki, Ate-kay…well, that’s not the entire female cast, so stick that up you ass and smoke it. Juliet comes along and tells Sawyer you know, I’ve changed my mind. Arrgh.

Juliet flashback, and a huge red herring. You have to notice that this flashback did not contain Jacob. It was merely a vehicle to explain her impending break up with Sawyer. Apparently Juliet’s and Rachel’s folks split up. But since there was no Jacob, this was the end of the line for Juliet, and as I’ve been harping on it all season long. Even if you love one another, you aren’t always supposed to be together. I call bullsh!t. I love a bottle of rum, and you better believe me and her are together every weekend. So why, Juliet?

Juliet: I saw the way you look at her.

Welcome to the party, pal. Hans Gruber Austin has been running amok on the island for a while, and you just noticed the dead body land on your windshield. Ay caramba! And they breakup. Well, at least it’s more civil than say Paul McCartney and ’ole Stumpy Mills. At the Swan, Radzinsky and Chang are fighting as only nerds know how. Phil tips them off about the bomb. But let’s keep drilling. Geez. Radzinsky has never heard of taking a deep breath and counting to 5 apparently. Hell, at least you get a candy bar out of it. Kate takes a look at Jack’s beaten and bloody face.

Kate: Does it hurt?

Kate is a Stupid Wh0re Moment of the Week. Actually, no Kate, it doesn’t hurt. No, Kate, it doesn’t hurt. I found some wild strawberries; since I have an eating disorder, I couldn’t manage to find my mouth so I smeared them on my face. Or, no Kate, it doesn’t hurt. A polar bear just gave birth to me, and I’m wearing it’s afterbirth as a skin moisturizer. Or, no Kate, it doesn’t hurt. But Sawyer just kicked a field goal with my bean bag, and let me tell you, I’ll probably feel the pain from them once these stupid cuckoo birds stop circling my head. After a question about Aaron, Kate gets fiesty by declaring that she was mad that Jack made her come back. Well, last thing I remember at the dock is that Kate yelled at Jack and drove off with Aaron. Next thing Jack sees is Kate laying in his bed, ripping off her clothes. Um, Jack must have persuasive powers greater than that guy that could bend spoons with his mind. Which is fascinating since Jack has the brain size comparable to a milk soaked Cheerio. Kate is still sticking to her fraud Claire excuse of coming back.

Jack: Nothing in my life has ever felt so right.

Run away. Run far, far away. OK. Let me pose this question. Has Jack been right about anything, ANYTHING, on Lost island. Name one thing. Just one. Fine. Name one thing Jack has been right about anywhere on the planet Earth. I felt incredibly more comfortable when ole Jack was busying making bologna sandwiches for everybody back at the Barracks while Little Ben was dying. I’m sure not more than 2 or 3 of those sandwiches exploded. Jack wants Kate to rub his aching nuts…um, to believe in him. Kate agrees. This author groans. Stop with the I believe in you stuff. You have a bomb. Kill yourselves, and make it snappy. Radzinsky keeps drilling. There Will Be Blood. By the way, fantastic movie. I wish Daniel Day Lewis wasn’t quite so picky with what he does. Geez, Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York and now an oil baron maniac. A treasure for sure. “I drink your milkshake. I drink it up.” I get goosebumps. Then I see him pick up the bowling pin, and I get the giggles for the next 5 minutes.

Hurley reluctantly uses his Get Out of Jail Card, and catches a cab with Jacob. Jacob spends an awful long time talking with Hurley. This makes me wonder if this is because Hurley needs extra convincing and positive reinforcement, or because Hurley is extra special. Of all the people on the island, for me and for nearly everybody else, Hurley remains some kind of pure character, never doing horrible things like nearly every other main character, a real life Scooby Doo. A pure soul. Jacob corrects Hugo’s I’m cursed rant and calls him blessed. Jacob also touches Hugo’s chest, not unlike Mr Anderson doing so to Neo in the 3rd Matrix movie and the final battle in the Matrix. Hugo ends up with the mysterious guitar case, containing God knows what. Unless it’s the Ark of the Covenant, which in that case would be God. I’d love to see Jack open it and have his face melt. While Jack is being told to get the bomb as close to the source as possible, I am left mystified by how quickly Kate changed her mind about the bomb being evil. I think she was excited to see Jack and Sawyer fighting, and thought it must be over her, so she needs to continue to feed her ego by agreeing to whatever is necessary to keep her the center of attention. Meanwhile, the Others at the foot wait at the foot until night falls, rather than doing something right as they arrive in the middle of the afternoon. OK. But, note. It’s night time 30 years late, and day time in 1977. If there is a time jump by the Losties to the right time, it won’t be an exact jump to meet with the other group.

Richard: Jacob would have come to you.

Locke: I’m tired of waiting

Well, it’s not like Locke was waiting all that long. What, a day? No, Xlocke needs to act right now, to take advantage of the loophole he has exploited. Xlocke has been on the island for quite some time, so I’m sure he is tired of waiting in general too. Ben tells Sun that the statue was like that when he got here, but Sun doesn’t buy it, and I am not so sure that I do either. I wonder if Ben and Richard and the Others knocked down most of the statue to chase Jacob out. Jacob sought refuge, and chose the cabin. Then, Ben and Richard trapped him in there with the ash. Since Xlocke was been using the cabin, Jacob escaped elsewhere, but what none of them realized was that Jacob fled back to the ruins of the statue. During this time, as punishment for damaging the Tawaret statue, goddess childbirth, children on the island became a huge issue. Richard protests Ben going in to see Jacob, as only the leader can do it. Strange that a former leader is not afforded the same privileges. Richard moves the wall, Ben get a knife, and Xlocke claims all will be different once Jacob is dead. Indeed.

Miles questions Jack’s mission of the bomb, as he is the only one in the group who was not used to seeing Jack come up with a half-assed plan, and everybody falling in line behind them, full of dread knowing that it won’t work. What if the bomb causes the incident, which if a normal question, one that myself and characters on the show have been speculating about. As the group sees Phil go bouncing by in his jeep, Juliet mutters the overused “Live together, die alone.” Can the writers throw anymore clues to the viewer that Juliet is about to die? Holy smokes. Just throwing a subtitle on the bottom of the screen “Juliet is about to die.” would be a bit less subtle. We get it. Sawyer calls Juliet “blondie”, yet another attempt to distance Sawyer from Juliet to lessen the blow for the audience. Jack’s gun accuracy continues to impress me, blasting away at the Dharma folks. Then again, I’m sure Dharma wasn’t trained to be commandos, so it’s possible they are leaving themselves wide open as targets; therefore, I will quickly take back my compliment to Jack and pretend it never happened. Jack takes cover behind a mound of dry dirt, since obviously a bullet can’t possibly pierce that obstacle. Tell you what, faithful reader at home, go get your gun and a bag of sugar. Try to shoot a bullet through the sugar. And what did you learn? Exactly, don’t listen to me. You can trust me, but don‘t listen to me when I give you instructions. Now go get your broom and dustpan. I’ll wait. Trust me. Oh, don’t be ridiculous, I’m not waiting. And what did you learn now? Never trust me. So while Jack continues to play Neo from the Matrix and breaking rules of physics with his Kevlar dirt, Hurley pulls up in his superhero van yet again, saving the day…he’s like a free safety, showing up at the last second, exactly when he has to. Hey, Dharma sees the faux Hostiles have a bomb. Let’s keep shooting at them. Brilliant. Looks like everybody forgot their logic pills today. Instead they all took Cialis and are a hell of a time trying to lay face down in a foxhole. Sawyer clobbers Radzinsky, captures Phil, and gets Dharma to throw down the weapons. Game over. Let’s all go home. But that would be disappointing, with so much time left in this episode, and with many, many more commercials that need to air, so let’s instead say that the drill can’t be stopped as the electromagnetic pocket is sucking it down into the earth. That sounded vaguely erotic. Uh, oh. Jack looks at Kate, Sawyer looks at Juliet, Hugo looks at a jar of ranch dressing, Phil looks into a mirror and wonders why he never plucked his eyebrows, and Jack drops the bomb into the hole. Nothing happens. Jack Sucks Moment of the Week, #14 or whatever hell number we are up to. Did anybody out there, anybody at all think it would go kaboom? This was JACK. Everything he does turns to sh!t. However, the magnetism kicks in, the same that was pulling objects in the Season 2 finale just before the Swan hatch blew up. Remember, that explosion had a profound effect on Desmond, and a somewhat lesser effect on Locke and Mr Eko, who were in close proximity. Right now, there are a bunch of people hanging around, so you have to wonder what effect, if any, a possible upcoming explosion will have on them. Random metallic objects are being pulled down the drill hole, Dr Chang’s arm becomes pinned, which will lead to an eventual amputation, so that when we see him in future, or at the very least we saw him in the Losties past on orientation films with a fake arm. Now we know why. Phil corners Sawyer, and is going to get his revenge for Sawyer punching him. But this is Hollywood, and it doesn’t work that way. Instead, Phil is impaled. Just goes to show, if you hit a woman (Juliet), bad things are bound to happen to you in the end.

5.15 Follow The Leader

Then Phil comes on down the aisle and slugs Juliet in the face. Well, I was a bit surprised at that punch, sort of the reaction I had when Mongo in Blazing Saddles punched out a horse. Not from Juliet taking a punch, which was funny in an absurd kind of way. But you know windshield wiper eyebrows Phil will die in the season finale. Hell, Sawyer just said “I will kill you”. So, even though we won’t have Phil to kick around anymore, at least he brought a comedy element to his upcoming death

But if she happens to bring you a warm beer and makes you a terrible sandwich while you are watching the big game, hell, all bets are off.

5.14 The Variable

The more troubling sight is seeing Juliet in a red shirt for the second straight episode. JJ Abrams is directing this upcoming Star Trek movie, and as all Trekkers know, red shirts get killed all the time. Uh, oh. I predicted at the beginning of the season that Juliet would not survive much longer. I was wrong about how quickly it will happen. But it’s about to happen nevertheless, much to my disappointment.

Juliet manages to get more chains wrapped around her, preventing escape than David Blaine, Criss Angel, or a dominatrix role playing. She has more chain links around her than a suburban property trying to keep the awful neighborhood kids from doing a dip and dash in their underground pool. She has more chains wrapped around her than Regina, a worker on the freighter during Season 4 who walked off the ship and straight into Davey Jones’ Locker. As Juliet is hanging on for dear life on the edge of the drill hole. Sawyer and Kate spring into action to save her. Sawyer is desperately holding on, knowing that if Juliet dies, he will have Kate stalking him forever. Meanwhile, Kate is doing her part by stretching out her arm about 6 inches, maybe a foot, like she was offering a hand shake to somebody, and proclaims “I can’t reach her.” Kate Is A Wh0re Moment of the Week, # 1700. What kind of effort is that? You sticking out a baby arm , a Tyrannosaurus teeny tiny arm barely into that hole to help the girlfriend of the man you want to idolize you…oh, right. While Juliet is screaming, about to fall, you call hear Kate whispering “So, Sawyer, now that you are about to become single..” I heard it. I swear I did. Trust me.

Sawyer: I got you.

Juliet: I love you, Jamesssssssssssss.

Sawyer starts to cry. Fantastic, touching death scene, really giving the Juliet character a dignified ending. I admit that I choked up too, and shed a couple of tears. Why, oh why, oh why, couldn’t that have been Kate falling down the hole? Oh, so sad, my friend. Sniff.

At the statue, Sun is in search of booze. Hell, who isn’t? It’s 7:30 AM on a Sunday morning, and I’m drinking a warm beer. Hey, it’s 10:00 AM somewhere in the world. Probably Alabama. Illana’s group appears and they are looking for Ricardo. “It’s Richard.” Makes you wonder. If Star Trek and Fringe can reintroduce Leonard Nimoy, why can’t Lost bring back Ricardo Montalban. He’s dead? So what? That hasn’t stopped this show before. Next year, we will find Charles Widmore feuding with Heath Ledger and Bea Arthur off the island.

Illana: What lies in the shadow of the statue?

Richard: (Latin, translated) He who will save us all.

So, is Illana’s group part of the off island Others, which Ben has shown to us over the years exist, and Jacob, to whom the Othes swear their allegiance, has meet with Illana off island, does this indeed make Illana and Richard allies? Xlocke said that the Others must deal with the Ajira survivors, most likely kill them. So what will happen next if Xlocke shows Jacob dead, declares himself ruler of the island, and obey my orders. Now, Richard, kill Illana. Illana has something to reveal from the cargo on the plane, and it turns out to be Lock’s dead body. Inside the foot, Ben and Locke are moving into a room we saw at the very beginning of this episode, apparently Jacob’s home. Looking up, you can see the sky through the open ceiling. Which bothers me to no end, since there seems to be a perpetual fire burning in a pit. Does it never give off smoke? How could nobody have seen that smoke drift out of the foot and realized somebody was living inside of it? Was if because Jacob was trapped in his cabon with the circle of ash, and only very recently set up shop here, not allowing enough time to be discovered. Still, it is taking an awful big chance, as smoke can rise quite high, or can be blown inland quite far with wind from the ocean. Ben admires the tapestry that Jacob has created. It’s a Greek phrase, from Homer’s Odyssey, “May heaven grant you in all thing’s your heart’s desire” Seems like a witty foreshadowing, as Locke has spend all day, hell, a few days goading Ben into wanting to kill Jacob. He is borderline consumed by the thrill of the task.

Jacob: Well, you found your loophole.

Xlocke: You have no idea what I’ve gone through to get here.

Let’s step back for a second. First of all, let’s mourn the loss of Locke. We spent 5 seasons heavily invested in this lovable character, a guy that had a trying existence, a meek, kindly soul willing to believe in people even when they constantly let him down. Up until the end, he kept doing what he thought the island wanted him to do. But as we have mentioned many, many times, for a couple of years now, the island is not equal to Jacob is not equal to Smoke monster is not equal to Christian. Turns our there are at least two competing entities here and that thinking they were all one and the same would have been a mistake. Since the there is a Book of Laws, as seen by objects put in front of young Locke off the island by Richard, this book is likely the reason Jacob and X can’t kill each other. Jacob is probably either above being judged or simply a pure soul himself. When Locke told Richard to tell time traveling Locke and he needed to kill himself to get back to the island, it was actually Xlocke telling him that. Locke was not going to be resurrected into Super Locke, but rather Smokey Locke. Right now, the man in black, Smoke Monster, and Locke are all wrapped up into one neat little package. It will still be nice to see Locke in his new possessed role, as I enjoyed evil Terry O’Quinn in TV shows like Millennium and Harsh Realm. When Ben was being judged, it was all a big setup. Don’t forget, when Ben summoned the Smoke Monster when Sun and Frank were around, Smokey never showed up. Because he was already there, as Xlocke. When Smoke Monster went to attack Keamy’s men, it didn’t do much damage, like it did to Mr Eko or the pilot from Oceanic 815. At the time, I expressed by disappointment and confusion over it. Now, it’s clear that Smokey needed Keamy to stay alive long enough to blow up the freighter. X has been doing one giant long con job. Smoke would have killed Ben in the Temple unless it needed him for manipulation down the road. Notice, that Locke and Smokey/Alex never appeared in the same scene while Ben was in the Temple. Ben was told to do everything Locke told him to do, and don’t even think about killing him. Alex is the only one that could have delivered that powerful message to Ben and have Ben listen. Which meant Alex had to die for Smokey to take her form. Which meant Keamey needed to be on the island to kill her. Which meant…you get the idea, and how much thinking ahead Xlocke had to do. Jacob is looking for the loophole where he can prove a pure soul can stop the event loop that he and X are battling through with chess pieces in the form of humans. He needs to prove his point to break his cycle. And the only candidate like that which springs to mind is Hurley. I don’t feel comfortable knowing Hurley can save the world, but I’m not the head writer. Can you imagine the storylines with me in charge? Lost: starring Nikki, Paulo, Ethan, and Artz. Kate dies in the pilot episode. X believes that all humans are corrupt, and his loophole is to have the only person that can gain an audience with Jacob, the leader of his followers The Others, to kill him willing. Xlocke managed to go to Ben at an early age when Sayid was manipulated into shooting Ben, triggering a visit to the Temple to save him yet strip his innocence. X most likely lives in that Temple. Ben grows up to be the leader after “tricking” Widmore into leaving the island, maybe Ben pretends that’s what Jacob wants. Jacob never talks to Ben, so Ben over the years grows resentful. Now, Alex is dead, the rules were broken, and Ben is pissed. And image the subtleness of X to have Ben move the island and not Locke. It causes the island to time skip which may have changed events in the future by way of the past, Ben and several others return, and now the moment of truth for Xlocke. A Judas Iscariot in Ben is about to betray his Master. The manipulation of the characters goes much deeper, as I will no doubt see when I rewatch the first 5 seasons of Lost over the next few months.

Xlocke: Do it, Ben

Jacob: Ben, you have a choice. You can go.

Ben: All I ever heard was Jacob, blah, blah, blah. I did as I was told. Why did I wait? But Locke didn’t? Why him? What about me?

At this point, we may have to accept that maybe Locke was special, and by killing him and assuming his form, Xlocke becomes more powerful than ever. The other point is maybe Locke is nothing special. He was simply used to get Ben pissed off.

Jacob: What about you?

A very defiant statement, one made by someone that knows what comes next. Jacob knows that he can calm Ben down with some reassurance. Ben is throwing a total hissy fit right now, and needs Jacob’s approval, approval he never got from his father. And the coincidence that so many characters on this show have daddy issues leads me to believe it‘s not a coincidence, but a means for Xlocke to find one that will ascend to leader of the Others and eventually kill Jacob, the father figure. But instead Jacob wants to die, have Ben kill him, giving a seeming victory to Xlocke. But like many of these good vs. evil stories go, there is usually some deeper magic/rules/action in play, and this fits with Jacob’s master plan. Jacob is sacrificing himself for the greater good of the island/world. However, this means the Losties take on a bigger role for the island’s fate next season. Ben takes the knife and in an extremely effeminate way, stabs Jacob several times. I swear, it looked like an old lady trying to stop a mugger by swinging her purse. It looked like Clay Aiken throwing a punch at Mike Tyson. It looked like a squirrel trying to scrap with a pit bull. His arms were as fully extended as Kate trying to reach Juliet in the drill hole. Ben stabbed him in less than a manly fashion. What a pussie. Yet, the stabs hit their mark.

Jacob: They’re coming.

Just before he died, he announced that someone is coming. Since Xlocke seems to be in tune with what is going on on the island, logically this must mean to me that the Dharma Losties are going to return to their correct time. And have to deal with Zombie Xlocke. Oh, we’ve often wondering what Season 7 of Lost would look like, after the current story is done and over with. Zombies was always a tongue in cheek response. Well, we have zombies right now. What irony. Juliet is laying at the bottom of the drill hole, busted up pretty badly, but still alive. From one scene to another, she seems to be bleeding more or less, depending on the camera shot. Continuity error? Or a mindfock like when the bullet hole of Ben’s kept moving around his body like some type of fly moving around the top of some fresh dung or rotting fish or Kate. She sees the bomb, picks up the rock, and beats on it with some rage. White light. Does this signify the bomb detonated? Time travel? Both? We’ve seen the white light when the Swan blew up, and when the time jumping was happening. Unfortunately, Juliet’s injury would move with her if it was a time jump. She is very very likely dead. If the bomb went off, and it didn’t in the past when the incident first happened the first time around, did this have a ripple effect on future events. Does the Oceanic 815 land in Los Angeles, meaning the last 5 seasons of TV watching was…meaningless. Do the Losties jump 30 years into the future, and a fight over control of the island manifests itself? This might be the second best fight ever waged on TV, following close behind the saga of Vince McMahon and the idiot owner of the Denver Nuggets from this past week, The basketball guy took a beating in the media. Nothing made me happier. Looks like I’ll be watching wrestling Monday night for the theatrics.

I think next week, it‘s time to do a character by character thumbnail review and where they fit into the Lost universe going forward. I also want to take some time and possibly put together some long term theories that cover what exactly is going on with this show, beginning to end. This finale was much more confusing that past season finales, but I think we broke it down enough to get the idea of what happened. We just need to look at the big picture. One more article to go, should have it done in about a week.

kutulu · May 24, 2009

5.17 The Incident, Part II
These are two alpha male gorillas beating each other over the head with sacks full of bananas over a broad that is one day away from boiling Dharma bunnies in a kettle of Dharma box wine.

:banana: :wub: :banana:

peenie · May 24, 2009

i haven't watched a full episode since season 3. anyone care to fill me in?

(just kidding, someone tried and i was like :banana: )

kutulu · May 24, 2009

i haven't watched a full episode since season 3. anyone care to fill me in?
(just kidding, someone tried and i was like )

They whacked the token black guy. :banana:

Vikings4ever · May 24, 2009

They whacked the token black guy.

Both of them (Michael and Eko).

kutulu · May 24, 2009

Both of them (Michael and Eko).

Eko was during season three...Michael lasted a bit longer. HTH. :banana:

Vikings4ever · May 24, 2009

Eko was during season three...Michael lasted a bit longer. HTH.

But both token black guys did get whacked.

And not in the edjr way. :banana:

Super Cubs · May 25, 2009

Not to take away from this past season but did we ever find out why the others took the childeren and what they did to them in season one?

Vikings4ever · May 25, 2009

Not to take away from this past season but did we ever find out why the others took the childeren and what they did to them in season one?

Not yet. It's been semi-confirmed that there's another group of "others" on the island. It seems like that's something that should get explained in the final season, but it's possible that the writers will just drop that plot line.

Voltaire · May 25, 2009

What would be fun is if Radzinsky time jumps to 2009 with the cast from season one.

Super Cubs · May 25, 2009

How old was Ben when he lead Dharma to their finial fate?

When Hugo sees Charlie after he's dead is it Charlie's ghost, his imagination, or either Jacob or MR X?

Why did Ben kill Locke?

"What lies in the shadow of the statue" when did this come into play?

The Moz · May 25, 2009

I just don't think Locke is done yet.

The whole riddle question is why - what lies in the shadow of the statue ... He who will save us all..

Locke lies in the shadow of the statue -- I doubt it was meant to imply Jacob

Good Idea about Hurley though - Jacob seemed to really like Hurely. Also Richard is kind of " pure " as well - oyu really never see him pissed unless one of his people is killed.

season 6 my thoughts are now

- somehow Locke gets ressurected for real

- Richard and Llana team up - both are ageless - or are they still ageless after Jacob dies?

- Somehow Aaron and Claire factors in this huge

- Still not convinced that Christian is X - and I definitley do NOT think X is smokie. Locke sounded legit about being surprised that smokie told Ben to listen to Locke. I do think Smokie is Christian - sort of a referee between X and Jacob or a servant of Jacob and Jacob wants to die.

- Richard is much older than the Black rock. - also that ship in the begining I think was Roman not the Black rock - JMO

kutulu · May 26, 2009

"What lies in the shadow of the statue" ?

So what's the consensus on this? Is it Locke whose dead body is lying there or is it Jacob who lived in the statue?

The Moz · May 26, 2009

So what's the consensus on this? Is it Locke whose dead body is lying there or is it Jacob who lived in the statue?

Jacob was in the statue so that wouldn't be in it's shadow. I think it is either Locke or Aaron ... maybe Jack ( though he is nowhere near the statue ). You know Aaron will factor in pretty large in season 6 though.

I buy a lot of what philly says - I just can't see smokie as being X. I think Smokie either works for Jacob or acts as a referee of sorts. I do think Smokie was Christian.

kutulu · May 26, 2009

Jacob was in the statue so that wouldn't be in it's shadow. I think it is either Locke or Aaron ... maybe Jack ( though he is nowhere near the statue ). You know Aaron will factor in pretty large in season 6 though.

I buy a lot of what philly says - I just can't see smokie as being X. I think Smokie either works for Jacob or acts as a referee of sorts. I do think Smokie was Christian.

The statue would lie in Aaron's head's shadow.

King of Gondor · May 26, 2009

Jacob was in the statue so that wouldn't be in it's shadow. I think it is either Locke or Aaron ... maybe Jack ( though he is nowhere near the statue ). You know Aaron will factor in pretty large in season 6 though.

I buy a lot of what philly says - I just can't see smokie as being X. I think Smokie either works for Jacob or acts as a referee of sorts. I do think Smokie was Christian.

I think X is most likely all the "dead" characters that popped up around. It was them that did the button pushing, the manipulating to get the losties to do what he needed them to do.

CantTouchThis · May 27, 2009

Watching season 3 i believe on Sci-Fi. Recalling how Cindy and the kids showed up at Jack's cage, which begs the question, where are they if they are part of the main group of others? Like previously said, an unexplained thing from earlier seasons.

kutulu · May 29, 2009

The new series, a half-hour family-oriented comedy called Where There’s Smoke, is touted by ABC as the new anchor of its Thursday-night lineup.

“Somewhere between the smoke monster’s first appearance on Lost— when it was depicted as a strange unseen force uprooting trees—and that episode in season three where it grabbed Mr. Eko and smashed him against the ground until he was dead, this character became the breakout star of the show,” said Stephen McPherson, president of ABC Entertainment. “And that’s exactly why we’re so excited about Where There’s Smoke. We get to see the monster’s light comedic side in a show about life, love, and good friends having good times.”

“Because after all, Where There’s Smoke, there’s laughter,” McPherson added.

:music_guitarred:

Quickolas1 · June 2, 2009

um, a friend of mine JUST got caught up to season 5...

..and now at abc.com the only episodes available at the moment are the last four from season 5

(you can't scroll down to the first thirteen episodes of season 5)

what the heck? i hope this is a temporary thing

kutulu · June 25, 2009

E! Online was tipped off on Tuesday by “a reliable spy” that actor Dominic Monaghan and Lost mastermind Damon Lindelof “had breakfast together this morning at a Fairfax district eatery in Los Angeles.” Suspicions running on overdrive, E! speculates that either the two of them were just having a friendly get-together, or maybe… they were discussing plans to return Charlie Pace to Lost in its upcoming final season.

kutulu · July 8, 2009

LOST writer Brian K. Vaughan has left the show. Some of the episodes he wrote included:

"Catch-22"

"Confirmed Dead"

"Meet Kevin Johnson"

"The Shape of Things to Come"

"The Little Prince"

"Namaste"

"Dead Is Dead"

:wave:

CantTouchThis · August 6, 2009

Mr.Eko is starring in GI Joe :thumbsup: That alone may make me watch that movie.

CantTouchThis · August 9, 2009

I just noticed ties between Lost and the movie Frequency....

The killer they are after is named "Jack Shepard"

Elizabeth Mitchell, who plays Juliet, is the mom in the movie.

It has to do with electromagnetic disturbances caused by solar flares that causes them to be able to speak to each other in different times.

Maybe Dennis Quaid will play someone next season :music_guitarred:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186151/

CantTouchThis · August 9, 2009

WOW, all losties need to read this theory. Seriously far and away the best theory i have seen, it's scary, i almost think the guy stole a script for season 6. 90% of what he says fits perfectly....

EPIC lost Theory

It almost deserves it's own thread. It's long, but, it well worth the read if you are into the show. I almost wish i haven't read it, because i will almost be disappointed if this isn't what happens. I mean, everything makes sense and if it does happen it will easily cement Lost as the best show of all time.

Mr. Landry · August 9, 2009

WOW, all losties need to read this theory. Seriously far and away the best theory i have seen, it's scary, i almost think the guy stole a script for season 6. 90% of what he says fits perfectly....

EPIC lost Theory

It almost deserves it's own thread. It's long, but, it well worth the read if you are into the show. I almost wish i haven't read it, because i will almost be disappointed if this isn't what happens. I mean, everything makes sense and if it does happen it will easily cement Lost as the best show of all time.

Brilliant!

Voltaire · August 10, 2009

Sh*t ... CTT's link doesn't work for me. Can somebody cut and paste? thanks.

kutulu · August 10, 2009

Sh*t ... CTT's link doesn't work for me. Can somebody cut and paste? thanks.

Lost is a timeless story of good vs evil, personal choice vs. slavery, and freedom vs. fate.
As we were told in the beginning by John Locke, ‘two sides, one light, one dark’. The Light Side, as you can probably guess, is the side of Good, Freedom, & personal choice.

On the Light Side we have Jacob. Jacob is the personification of good. His character is based on an archetype that has popped up in every culture and religion since the beginning of time(see Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, New Testament, Star Wars, and so on). He is compassionate. He is omniscient. He is optimistic. He invites you to his Island. He lives on the beach, having nothing to hide. He believes in and practices personal freedom. He believes in evolution, growth, change, and free will. But Jacob wants YOU to WANT to change. He will give you ‘little pushes’ along the way, like the Apollo Candy Bar stuck in the snack machine, and help you get to the point where YOU are ready to change. He does not lie to you or trick you into making the right choice for the wrong reason. He does not give orders, he ASKS. He asks Sawyer if he wants a pen. He asks Sayid for directions. He asks Jack if the extra candy bar is his. He asks Kate if she’ll steal again. He tells Hurley he has a choice. He ‘offers’ Sun & Jin his blessing. Even when faced with certain death, Jacob tells Ben that he has a choice, that he is not a slave, no matter what Fake Locke has told him. This is a man who does not compromise his principles. They are bedrock. We can analyze what has happened and know if he’s involved based on the method and the motive(more of that later). Most importantly though, Jacob wants wholesale change. He wants mankind to change. He is looking for a macro-event. This evolutionary completion is the ‘only ends once’ scenario that Jacob speaks of on the beach. Everything else is just progress, mankind inching closer to mass enlightenment. But there is opposition.

Thus we have the Dark Side. Nemesis is the personification of evil. His character is based on the timeless archetype of the mischievous trickster. He is not omniscient, rather, he relies on the tools and techniques of man. He believes mankind will not change. He is pessimistic. He is fatalistic. He believes the same cycle will repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat....no change whatsoever. He thinks men will continue to crumble in the face of great challenges, due to ambition, greed, guilt, vengeance, and weakness. But he is not passive like Jacob. Nemesis gets involved. Nemesis tests you. Nemesis tempts you. He learns your weakness and exploits it. Should he present you with a test you’ve failed in the past, and you demonstrate a capacity for change, you are a threat to him. He does not want change to happen. This is his argument with Jacob. Nemesis’ only code is that he has no code. He will lie, cheat, steal, kill, and mass-murder. He will haunt you with your dead relatives. He will exploit you emotionally and psychologically. He finds your weakness and applies pressure. If you’re strong, you must be eliminated...Nemesis can’t have agents of change running around, helping man progress. Nemesis applies this same technique to groups of people. If Nemesis should encounter your group, he will find the weakness. He will test everyone in it, kill the strong, and promote the weak. Infiltrate, divide, conquer, exterminate, assimilate the remaining weak people into a group and hand them orders to follow. Nemesis has one goal in mind: change must not happen.

Thus, we now know the methods of the opposing sides. The Light Side hopes that you’ll make the right decision on your own and gives you the space to do so. The Dark Side will not see around and hope you screw up, The Dark Side makes SURE you have every opportunity to fail. He stacks the deck. He baits you. He tricks you. He CHEATS. He will do whatever he can to avoid the ‘only ends once’ mass-evolution of man scenario that Jacob assures him is unavoidable.

The duality of this conflict is represented in every layer of the show and has been embedded from the start. As the following will demonstrate, the writers have not been winging it...we can all exhale. Change vs Fate has been there from day one. Charlie the drug addict writes ‘fate’ on his knuckles

The Dharma Initiative’s stated goal is to change one number in The Valenzetti Equation, an equation that supposedly predicts the end of the world. They attempt a multi-pronged attack in various scientific fields, each of which seeks change in said field. In Room 23, where Karl was being held, they try to change your mind. They recondition Polar Bears to live in the tropic. They experiment with time-travel. They experiment with The Hawthorne effect, hoping that observation will change the outcome. It’s also important to note, that while there was a lot of building about this scary interrogator in the jungle, they do not torture. They just set you free a little bit and you do the talking. They also vote and confer with each other about major decisions. They do not have a dictatorship, they are peaceful...it’s practically a hippie resort. They are science, they are progress, they are change, and they are aligned with The Light Side. They are agents of change. Thus, for Nemesis, they are a threat.

The Others hate change and choice and personal freedom. They believe in fate and following orders without asking questions. Just ask Ms. Hawking, former leader of The Others, and she’ll tell you that everyone is doomed, that the cycle is perpetual. She believes in this so much that she doesn’t attempt to avoid shooting her own son(Faraday in 1977) even though she’s well aware that her actions will directly lead to it eventually happening. She wants Desmond to press the button...again, and again, and again, and again. The Others do not like change and similarly, they do not like visitors. One of their primary objectives is to ‘protect the Island’ by keeping people away and keeping people from leaving. They want to slow progress down to a halt. They want to stop change dead in it’s tracks. The Others are the weaklings of every group who has come to the Island, hand-selected for their inability to question orders and their lack of fortitude. There is no room for personal choice with The Others, you follow the rules, you obey your superior officer, because as Bonnie states in Through The Looking Glass ‘the minute I start questioning orders, this whole thing, everything that we're doing here, falls apart.’ The Others put Nemesis’ methods into practice. They wear beards and trick you. They lie cheat and steal. They have Ethan infiltrate you. They kidnap your child and use him as leverage. They figure out your weakness, like Jack’s feelings for Kate, and they apply pressure. They manipulate you. The methods of Benjamin Linus are the methods of Nemesis. The Others are, and always have been, aligned with The Dark Side.

Ahh but I can hear your thoughts already...if they follow Jacob, how are they on The Dark Side? Simple. They’re not following Jacob and they never were following him. Jacob has nothing to do with The Others. Jacob does not give orders, Jacob let’s you choose. You can even choose the wrong path if you want, but it’s your choice. So why is it so many of The Others think they’re following Jacob? To answer that, I first have to tell you a story about a literal and figurative ‘loophole’

In 1954, John Locke walks up to Richard Alpert and informs him that he’s from the future, that Jacob sent him, and that he is Richard’s leader. Richard’s eyes light up at the mention of Jacob. This is the birth of the loophole. For the first time in the history of the conflict, Nemesis is now able to level the playing field(for the moment, humor me and pretend that Nemesis knows everything that Richard Alpert knows). He has been fighting a losing battle, going to war with a combatant who knows the future and thus can’t be blind-sided or plotted against. How do you win when your opponent knows everything that will happen? Thanks to time-travel, Nemesis now has the same abilities, albeit they are limited. He now can look into the future. He knows when John Locke will be born. This is his first, but not last, fruit from the tree of knowledge. Daniel Faraday time-jumps to 1977 and hands his mother, Eloise Hawking, a journal detailing all of the events of the next 30 years(This is a rather cheap plot device, how does the journal not reset and become empty? It’s just like the compass and we have no choice but to accept it as rational). It details every single aspect of The Dharma Initiative, a foe that The Others dismantle at the seams. Nemesis, like Jacob in his battle with Nemesis, is now one step ahead of The Dharma Initiative. In turn, Nemesis can now prove to his people, his army of weaklings, that he has communication with a divine source. He tells them that in 2004 a man named John Locke will crash onto the Island. He has the flight manifest from Faraday’s journal. He knows everyone on board. He expands his operations. He follows all of the survivors of Oceanic 815 from birth to 2004. He knows their weaknesses. He knows how to tempt them. He knows how to test them. He knows how to manipulate them. Nemesis has found a way to be omniscient, and he uses this phony power to control The Others. They never meet Jacob, they never see Jacob, but they trust that Jacob is real and they’ve learned that Jacob knows everything. Jacob is not to be questioned. As Mikhail says ‘the man who brought us here is a great, wise man’. But it isn’t Jacob. This is why Ben does not heal. This is why Jaocb says ‘what about you?’ to Ben. Ben was never working for Jacob. Jacob doesn’t give orders, Nemesis does.

So how does Nemesis get his orders out to his weak-minded followers? Well we’ve learned that Ben Linus has never met ‘Jacob’, but rather, receives lists(now you know where the lists come from...phony-omniscience and intel gathering) and orders supposedly passed down from Jacob to Richard Alpert. Thus we know that Nemesis has infiltrated the very top of The Others’ power structure. This leaves us with two options. Either Richard Alpert, like the rest of The Others, has been deceived, or he is a willing participant. I have bad news everyone, we’ve been duped, it’s the second option. Richard Alpert is not only working for Nemesis....Richard Alpert IS Nemesis. One of your first thoughts(other than ‘what the @#&$’) is that we’ve seen Nemesis, imitating John Locke, having a conversation with Richard Alpert. How can one Nemesis be two people simultaneously? In order for me to prove Richard Alpert is Nemesis, I must first prove that Nemesis is more than one person. I call them Team Nemesis.

Dante’s ‘Nemesis’ in ‘The Divine Comedy’ is a 3-headed monster, representing the ‘inverted Christian Trinity’, who cannot create life and thus imitates life. It is a trickster. It lies and cheats. Notice this quote from Mikhail to John Locke in Enter 77. Mikhail: Ha! Don't waste your time. For ten years I have tried to defeat that game. But it was programmed by three grand masters. And it cheats’. Three grand masters who cheat. That, my friends, is Team Nemesis, aka The Dark Side, aka the bad guys. Rousseau’s team arrives and is baited into entering the Smoke Monster’s hole. Rousseau does not enter. Later, supposedly due to a sickness which makes them ‘not themselves’, Rousseau is forced to kill all three of them. One of them is the father of the baby growing in her womb. He tries to kill her. He tells her the Smoke Monster is not a threat and is merely ‘a highly sophisticated security system’ for the Island. Three people simultaneously ‘not themselves’ after meeting the Smoke Monster. The sickness? There is none. They are not the same 3 people. They are being imitated, simultaneously. Rousseau knew it wasn’t the father of her child, she could detect a difference...much like John Locke seemed very ‘un-Locke-like’ to all of us during this past season. Nemesis is not one man, Nemesis is Team Nemesis. This is why Radzinsky named the Smoke Monster as Cerberus. Here’s a picture of Cerberus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RomanCerberus.JPG

So now we know that Nemesis can be more than one person, thus Richard Alpert is a candidate for review. There is significant evidence that Alpert is in fact, part of Team Nemesis. For starters, Richard Alpert is ‘as old as the island itself’. Well we know for a fact that only two other characters in Lost can make that claim, them being Jacob & Nemesis. We know they were around when The Black Rock arrived and it’s safe to assume they were around for many years before that. Also, like Jaocb, Richard Alpert does not age. Alpert explains ‘I'm this way because of Jacob.’ We assume of course that Jacob somehow blessed Alpert the gift of eternal life. Yet Alpert does not communicate with Jacob. Alpert get’s blindsided by a Fake Locke. Alpert gives orders and runs an organization that stand in stark contrast to Jacob’s principles. How is it that Alpert got the gift of eternal life and spends every day of it undermining the very man who supposedly gave him this gift???? He doesn’t. The reason Richard Alpert doesn’t age is because he is a Nemesis. He is imitating a person long since dead. Notice in LaFleur that Richard Alpert storms into the Dharma barracks and leaves with a dead body(Paul, Amy’s husband). We’re told that this is to convince his people that there were losses on both sides. This is not the case. Richard Alpert needed Paul’s body. Nemesis needed Pauls’ identity. Nemesis needed to apply pressure to a weak link in the Dharma chain. Sure, there remains the slight possibility that Alpert was just following orders, but combined with the fact he doesn’t age, I think it’s more than likely he is in fact one third of the 3 headed beast, Dante’s ‘Inverted Christian Trinity’...this phrase will prove to be very important, remember it.

Team Nemesis will stop at nothing to make you crack. If they can access your dead father’s body, they will imitate him and lure you into the jungle and over a cliff. If they can access your dead brother, they will lure you into the jungle for you to be slammed against a tree. They use living relatives as well. Juliet’s sister’s health is used to leverage her. Walt is used to control Michael. Aaron. They never stop attacking and they know where to strike. For Dharma, the two weak links are Amy and Young Ben Linus. Team Nemesis knows this, for who has ventured out into the dark territory? Ben literally tells Richard Alpert that he wants out, that he hates everyone...he is a scared defenseless angry little boy and Team Nemesis pounces on him ruthlessly. The appropriate pressure is applied. And how is this done? Using Ben’s dead mother, Emily. I have no idea how Team Nemesis got access to her body in order to imitate it, but this is what happened. This is why Ben says his mother, who died during childbirth, taught him how to read. He was not kidding. His mother has been whispering in his ear and shaping his mind. But it wasn’t her, it was Team Nemesis. Team Nemesis is calling the shots. Team Nemesis ordered the Purge. Team Nemesis and Ben’s dead mother convinced him to kill his father. It was practice. Years later, Ben would be asked to kill his father yet again, when Fake Locke and Team Nemesis order him to execute Jacob. The cycle repeats. Twice, a dead relative gets Ben Linus to kill his father. Twice, a purge is ordered afterward to clean up the mess. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. This is a sign of Team Nemesis. They perpetuate the cycle. They use the same technique again and again. They have perfected their craft.

So where did the body for Richard Alpert come from? Here’s another pattern. Yemi is a dead body from an Island-bound vessel. Christian is a dead body from an Island-bound vessel. Locke is a dead body from an Island-Bound vessel. This is the protocol that Hawking knows to follow(Protocol, as in something to be repeated without change...it’s amazing how these themes are embedded into the show). There have been hints that Richard is somehow connected to The Black Rock. I believe that the original Richard Alpert was a dead body on an island-bound vessel, The Black Rock, and his body was used to torment and manipulate it’s inhabitants.

Anyways, back to Team Nemesis. Perhaps you disagree but at this point I’m rather convinced that Nemesis is a 3-headed foe and that Richard Alpert is one of the three prongs. But what is this Nemesis? Well for starters, it’s The Smoke Monster. We can connect the Smoke Monster directly to Nemesis in many ways. For starters, on the wall in The Smoke Monster’s chamber, we have an image of the god Anubis battling The Smoke Monster:

http://www.forareasonblog.com/2009/04/11/a...-hieroglyphics/

Here we have our 2 sides yet again, Light & Dark. Notice the outstretched hand of Anubis, a peaceful offering. Notice the horns of the smoke monster, the devil, the inverted trinity, on the left, the side of the evil. This is a picture of Jacob and The Smoke Monster. They literally drew us a picture of the two sides. However, let’s be thorough. There are more ways to connect Nemesis to The Smoke Monster.

For starters, Nemesis, imitating Locke, knows where The Smoke Monster is when Ben can’t find it. He leads Ben into it’s inner chamber. The Smoke Monster appears. A dead relative chokes Ben into following orders. Clearly The Smoke Monster is on Team Nemesis. An imitated Yemi(‘you speak to me as if I am your brother) leads Mr. Eko to the Smoke Monster, who then gets smashed into pieces. An imitated Christian leads Jack into the jungle(guess who lives there, sneaking around amongst the trees) away from the beach(guess who lives there, out in the open with nothing to hide). An imitated Emily Linus leads Ben out from the safety of the Dharma barracks, into the dark territory, beyond the sonar fence, where he meets the now very suspect Richard Alpert. A backwards speaking Walt, while under the control of The Others(Dark Side), leads Shannon into the jungle, where she meets her demise. Repeat repeat repeat, over and over. The more the cycle continues, the slower Jacob’s ‘progress’ advances.

Progress, however, has it’s down side. Just when you’ve turned that corner, there’s a catch. When you change, you die. Notice the theme:

-Eko comes to peace with his past, builds a church, lives nobly. He dies.

-Boone has a vision and gets over Shannon. He dies.

-Shannon opens up her heart to Sayid and watches Vincent, becoming unselfish. She dies.

-Roger Linus promises to celebrate Ben’s birthday next year, wants quality time. He dies.

-Charlie kicks his drug habit. He dies.

-Ana Lucia puts the gun down, unwilling to kill again. She dies.

-Michael takes responsibility for his actions. He dies.

-Faraday reconsiders his stance on fate and changing the past. He dies.

-Libby gets over the death of her husband and finds love again. She dies.

-Charlotte is finally home to stay, no more searching and digging. She dies.

-Nikki & Paulo(who gives a ######!)overcome greed, he hid the diamonds to keep her. They die.

-John Locke.....hold that thought for later.

Thus we have a clear golden rule of Lost, and it’s a very big deal. When you confront your ‘issue’ and actually CHANGE, you die. Why is this important? Because Jacob is telling us that mankind will change.

What happens if mankind changes? You guessed it. Mankind goes bye-bye.

‘It only ends once’.

This is why Hawking and The Others are always saying that they are ‘saving the world’, as it stated in the ad that both Mikhail & Kelvin responded to(In case you’re wondering, Radsinsky is a part of the Dark Side. He gives orders. He kills people. He presses the button). That is why some of the people are willing to follow orders. The progress we are progressing towards is extinction.

So our conflict has taken an interesting turn. The Others, those mass-murdering lying-cheating-stealing manipulative bastards, and Team Nemesis, that 3-headed monster from hell who will mimic your dead mother until you’re bleeding from every orifice, are actually fighting against the end of the world.

This is a timeless story that has been told many times throughout the history of man. Plato, Dante, the Qur’an. Evil loses and the world ends.

That is why we’ve been following the journey of our beloved Losties. As they make wholesale changes, they will be the agents of change that bring about the ‘only ends once’ scenario that Jacob accurately predicted. This means they will all face their own issues, overcome them, change, and die. It’s going to be a very painful final season for all of us.

And it’s going to end with a white flash as the world with evil in it comes to an end and the side of the Light wins.

Damon Lindelof: ‘I promise you the series will not end with a black screen’.

No Damon, it won’t, but thanks for doing what you’ve always done, and rubbed our faces in it. It’s going to end with a WHITE screen.

So now we can predict within reason what will be happening to our beloved Losties. They will face their issues and die. But what are their issues?

Jacob has told us. Jacob is guiding them towards this outcome. He gives ‘little pushes’, passively helping them out, strengthening them for their big test, years in advance. Remember it has to be their choice to change and overcome their issues. We can learn what our Losties issues are by evaluating what aspect of them Jacob was trying to help them change. It’s pretty obvious when you watch the scenes.

Sun & Jin have too often put their marriage on the back burner. Jin works a nightmarish job and never sees Sun. Sun stays on the helicopter without Jin on it. Jin tells Locke to convince Sun that he’s dead. What ‘blessing’ does Jacob ‘offer’? Never take your marriage for granted. He is strengthening their commitment muscles for a later decathlon of the soul. He is helping them change. By the way, Sun & Jin, symbolically, will demonstrate their commitment to each other in the ultimate way. They will choose to change together and then they will die together. Sun & Jin are Adam & Eve(Adam & Eve were discovered during House Of The Rising Sun, the first Jin & Sun-centric episode. Watch it and you’ll agree that they are Adam & Eve).

Hurley has always considered himself cursed. He has willed himself into a state of paranoia. Jacob visits him to tell him that he has a personal choice(of course) to come back to the Island or not. But he also suggests that Hurley isn’t cursed, that perhaps he’s blessed. There is no greater way for Hurley to change, to demonstrate that he considers himself blessed, to prove that he is ok with his life...than for Hurley to broadcast the numbers. He will choose to change and he will broadcast the numbers and he will die.

Sawyer’s entire life has been dedicated to finding the man who killed his parents and enacting revenge.

Yes, he did pull the trigger in Australia. Yes, he did kill Cooper on the Island. This is the cycle, the repetition, that needs to be broken. Jacob comforts Sawyer. He tells him he’s sorry about his parents dying. He offers him a pen. He’s trying to help Sawyer let it out and get over it. This scene is the perfect example of the opposing philosophies of Lost. Notice what Sawyer’s Uncle Doug says to Sawyer after Jacob leaves: ‘You gotta move on, boy. They're gone, and there ain't nothing you can do to change that. What's done is done.’ What’s done is done. Fate. You can’t change. This is the opposing force to change perfectly captured. The writers have been doing this from the first episode, re-watch the series, it’s EVERYWHERE. Minus production errors, drunk actors & network issues, they’ve done an incredible job. They knew what they were doing from the start and they have stuck to the rules. You can exhale now

Kate has always taken things. She takes lunchboxes, she takes lives, she takes babies. What does Jacob ask her(and as always, he asks)? He asks her to stop stealing. He uses honey instead of vinegar. Instead of punishment he offers salvation. He has planted a seed, and it will sprout roots next season. Kate will choose to change, Kate will return something to it’s rightful owner(Aaron to Claire), and Kate will die. In fact, Claire will kill her. More on that later.

And now, Jack. Our supposed hero. Poor Jack, beaten down by his father Christian over the years. Jacob tells Jack that the Apollo Bar stuck in the vending machine just ‘needed a little push’. Jacob was trying to teach Jack that Christian was just giving him little pushes. Jack’s issue is forgiving his father. Jack will choose to change and will forgive Christian. And he will die.

Here’s the problem: Claire and Christian are both dead. Who will Kate be giving Aaron to? Who will Jack be hugging?

First, let’s prove Claire is dead. By now we know how Smokie operates. One of his favorite tricks is using your dead relatives. And what is Claire’s issue? What defines Claire? I went to Lostpedia just to read about her. It says she is frequently tested with motherhood. That sounds about right doesn’t it? Twice, she almost loses Aaron, once to adoption, and once to Ethan. She protects him, keeps him by her side. She was warned not to let him be ‘raised by an Other’. So who is on the very short list of people she would give Aaron to, who also happens to be on the Island? Christian Shephard, Aaron’s Grandfather, now being imitated as part of Team Nemesis. This is why Aaron was left on the floor of the jungle. Claire changed, she gave up Aaron, and she died. This is why she is just palling around with Christian in the cabin, not worried about Aaron at all, having a tea party and laughing at John Locke for thinking he was being ‘chosen’ by Jacob. She didn’t die in the barracks explosion, she was killed in the jungle. She chose to change and her story came full circle. Claire Littleton is dead.

And now Jack. Typing this right now, fully understanding his character and his journey, it breaks my heart. The writers have really screwed us on this one. I can’t say it’s not brilliant though.

Before I tell you who kills Jack, first I must explain why Jack must die.

Earlier I referenced Dante’s 3-headed monster. The 3 headed monster represents the ‘inverted Christian Trinity’. I read this in a neat little book called Good & Evil In Myth & Legend. Check it out, it covers most of Lost in the first 20 pages. Anyways, think about that phrase.

Inverted Christian Trinity.

Inverted Christian. Three of them. Three inversions.

Right now we’ve established two of Christian’s family are being imitated by Team Nemesis. Two Inverted Christians. Claire & Christian.

Jack is the third. He will be killed. He will be imitated. The Smoke Monster, aka Cerberus, aka The Three Headed Monster, aka Team Nemesis, aka The Dark Side...during Season 6...will be Jack, Claire & Christian(were the cigarettes in his hotel room a clue that he’s Smokie or what? Let alone him setting off the smoke detector).

Jack. His tattoos read ‘he who walks among us but is not one of us’. Those damn writers, they knew it all along. He is going to be imitated. He will be the face of evil in Season 6. Jack will embrace Christian, forgiving him, choosing to change. But it’s the inverted Christian. It’s part of Team Nemesis. He will probably hug his father only to get a knife in the gut. Buy your tissues NOW.

This is the creative device that the writers will be using in Season 6. We will not know who to trust. Kate will be handing Aaron(how does he get back? No clue) back to an inverted Claire aka Team Nemesis. She will choose to change and she will die. Kate has no idea that there’s a clone-monster running around imitating people. Bet your ass it happens.

But here’s how Team Nemesis dies.

Early in the season we are going to be shown a scene from later in the story. In it, John Locke will be killing Jack Shephard. We will all assume that John Locke is the evil inverted imitated Nemesis version of John Locke, and that Jack Shephard is the good ol’ doctor. But since we now know that Jack has to die, to complete the Inverted Christian Trinity, it isn’t Jack.

And Locke is back to being Locke. He will be resurrected for the third time(fell from building, literally rose up after 815 crashed). This has been his destiny.

Resurrected Locke will kill Nemesis Jack. Locke will have changed and become something. Don’t tell him what he can’t do, he just killed the ###### DEVIL!

And so we have our two sides, Light vs Dark, Jacob vs Nemesis/Smokie/Cerberus, Dharma vs The Others, Freedom vs Slavery, Change vs Fate, Asking vs Ordering, White Pillars of Smoke in every Locke dream vs. Black Pillars of Smoke, The Beach vs The Dark Territory, Visions/Dreams vs Dead Relatives, Candy Bars vs. Mass-Murder, Omniscience vs. Time-Loopholes, Locke vs Jack, Faith vs Science.

I think it’s an utter work of genius. Just think about it. Christian said ‘TheRed Sox would never win the World Series’. He’s a fatalist. He’s an Other. The Red Sox break the curse, progress, change. Every episode is embedded with the conflict. They’ve extended the argument to every aspect of humanity. Can you time-travel and change the past? Can you overcome your drug addiction? Can you open up your heart? Can you stop torturing people? Yes, you can. You can change. Everyone can change. We can change together and start a new world.

Unfortunately, in order for that to happen, the old one has to die.

And then it all starts over again.

BunnysBastatrds · August 10, 2009

I'm blind and I have to take a piss now. Thanks.

kutulu · August 10, 2009

I'm blind and I have to take a piss now. Thanks.

Highlight it dumbass. :mad:

BunnysBastatrds · August 10, 2009

Highlight it dumbass.

:wall: It was to late. The damage is done.

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