LOST Season Five Thread

[posty 2,702]

So is this the "I want to kill you" look?

 

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:5x09...-baby-ethan.jpg

[Voltaire 5,317]

Off topic, but where the fock have you been Phillybear?

 

Phillybear posts among us but isn't one of us.

[kutulu 1,680]

The title of Wednesday's all-new Lost is

"He's Our You," and we learn in the sneak peek that this means the Dharma Initiative has a dude on hand who handles sundry torturing duties. For the Losties, that person was always Sayid. But now, Sayid's fallen into the wrong hands (Sawyer's!), and the torturer is about to become the tortured.

[posty 2,702]

Bump for tonight...

[kutulu 1,680]

So Ben survives the shooting due to the empty space where his heart should be?

[itsbigmoni 1]

Someone hella called that one. I give him props.

 

Sayid is probably my favorite character now. I can't wait for next weeks episode. How the fock is farraday gonna explain this one.

 

I think the reason they were all on 815 was because of something they did in the 70's. Juliette delivered the last baby so she was brought back to find a way for more babies to survive. Jack is going to save ben so he is brought back to save ben again.

 

Was laffluer one of the names on the bodies in that pile of bodies thrown into the ditch?

[Snoopy1 0]

5.9 Namaste

 

It’s not an accident I’ve temporarily discontinued the Jack sucks moments of the week

 

Jack with a feeble “I got us off this island”. Um, Jack, remember that there were 48 original survivors. And that isn’t counting the Tailies. And how many people got off the island? Six? One of them wasn’t even an original passenger (Aaron). Jack, bubby, you aren’t exactly hitting a high percentage there. Plus, if Sawyer doesn’t jump off the helicopter, you go down in the ocean near a soon to explode freighter. How the fock do you brag about getting your best friends on the island rescued, while you left every body else to die. Juliet wanted off the island, but she kept letting other people go before her on the raft. That is an unselfish act. You jumped on the first chopper you could to get out while the getting was good. Jack, go pound sand. And the ones you rescued weren’t exactly having a fun time in the real world.

 

 

Replaced with Jacks Overall Suckiness moments...

[kutulu 1,680]

I'm Larry, this is my brother Oldham and this is my other brother Oldham.

[pimptastic69 0]

I'm Larry, this is my brother Oldham and this is my other brother Oldham.

 

 

That was driving me nuts. I couldn't figure out where Oldham was from.

[Jeff Garcia 8]

Я выйти смотреть на три сезона

[King of Gondor 0]

"Oldham Pharmaceuticals"

[Voltaire 5,317]

This is the first Thursday I'll go to be without watching Lost. None of the damn Chinese pirate sites have it uploaded yet and it's 11:35 PM.

[kutulu 1,680]

This is the first Thursday I'll go to be without watching Lost. None of the damn Chinese pirate sites have it uploaded yet and it's 11:35 PM.

 

Dude, didn't mean to spoil anything for you.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Dude, didn't mean to spoil anything for you.

 

Phh... don't worry. I read this thead all the time before I watch.

[The Hood 9]

Dude, didn't mean to spoil anything for you.

 

douche

[kutulu 1,680]

douche

 

[Voltaire 5,317]

This is the first Thursday I'll go to be without watching Lost. None of the damn Chinese pirate sites have it uploaded yet and it's 11:35 PM.

Finally ... now I'll be up late... http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODA0NTYwNTY=.html

[kutulu 1,680]

"Oldham Pharmaceuticals"

 

 

 

 

Spoiler pic:

 

Looks like not quite a tickle fignt, but it might be close

[The Moz 69]

one of 2 things

 

 

A. Ben really isn't Dean in the past - Julliete and Jack save his life -- this experience sort of shapes who Ben is. This is why Ben told Sayid he was just a cold blooded killer. Also this is Why Ben was so attracted to Julliete he knew her before.

 

B. Ben set this up and maybe this is a way for him to become Immortal Like Richard somehow -- not alive but in order for things to have happened that have happened he can't be dead either.

[The Moz 69]

Richard Alpert anagram for NYARLATHOTEP ?

[IAMWood 6]

one of 2 things

A. Ben really isn't Dean in the past - Julliete and Jack save his life -- this experience sort of shapes who Ben is. This is why Ben told Sayid he was just a cold blooded killer. Also this is Why Ben was so attracted to Julliete he knew her before.

 

B. Ben set this up and maybe this is a way for him to become Immortal Like Richard somehow -- not alive but in order for things to have happened that have happened he can't be dead either.

 

I would guess B. Should be interesting, Jin will have to take him back and Juliette and especially Jack will have to expose themselves as doctors if Ben is to be saved. But the island has healed before.

 

Two things I noticed watching it twice. I paused the DVR on the book Ben gave Sayid, saying "I read it twice"-- possibly symbolizing a Groundhog Day and the title of the book was "A Separate Reality" by Carlos Castig..., they cut off the last name. Didn't google it or anything, figure Phillybear will expand on it for me.

 

When Ben let Sayid out they spoke about Ben's father, He said," I hated him." As in past tense, so I guess Ben killed him already??

 

It was nice to see Larry without the two Daryls.

 

I was surprised that they immediately started dismissing Sayid when he said he was from the future. It was awesome when he said, "You gave the exact right amount."

 

Anyone else sorta expecting Faraday to be Oldham?

 

[kutulu 1,680]

Two things I noticed watching it twice. I paused the DVR on the book Ben gave Sayid, saying "I read it twice"-- possibly symbolizing a Groundhog Day and the title of the book was "A Separate Reality" by Carlos Castig..., they cut off the last name. Didn't google it or anything, figure Phillybear will expand on it for me.

 

The book had been mentioned in several LOST blogs and/or articles since the last show. From Wiki:

 

A Separate Reality is an allegedly non-fictional book written by anthropologist/author Carlos Castaneda in 1971 concerning the events that took place during an apprenticeship he claimed to have served with a self-proclaimed Yaqui Indian Sorcerer, Don Juan Matus, between 1968 and 1971. The authenticity of the book, along with the rest of Castaneda's series, has been a topic of debate since they were published.

 

In the book Castaneda continues his description of his apprenticeship under the tutelage of Don Juan, from which he had withdrawn in 1965. As in his previous book, The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, Castaneda describes the experiences he has with Don Juan while under the influence of the psychotropic plants that Don Juan offered him, peyote (Lophophora williamsii) and a smokable mixture of what Castaneda believed to be, among other plants, dried mushroom of the genus Psilocybe. The main focus of the book centered around Don Juan's attempts at getting Carlos to See, a practice best described as, in Castaneda's own words, "perceiving energy directly as it flows through the universe".

 

The book contains an introduction, an epilogue and two separate parts. Part One, "The Preliminaries of 'Seeing'", describes his re-initiation into the apprenticeship from which he withdrew in late 1965, and also describes his introduction to another brujo (sorcerer) named Don Genaro. Part Two, "The Task of 'Seeing'", elaborates on the mental processes involved with Seeing, and begins with Castaneda realizing that the plants are a necessary tool to arrive at Seeing.

[cbfalcon 825]

Just watched this weeks ep and I think.....What we are now about to be presented with is 2 (not quite) parallel timelines. Think Donnie Darko. The flashes may have been wormholes.

 

A timeline in which Ben obviously lives. Ben and the Others kill all of the Dharma folk and take over the island.....Another time in which Ben is killed. Thus Dharma is never killed. Etc Etc.

 

This is the war. We can already look at most characters and determine which side they'll be fighting for. The war will be to determine which reality/timeline wins out.

 

edit: Just read Kutulu's post above and that supports my almost obvious theory.

[phillybear 366]

5.10 He’s Our You.

 

Well, it was an episode that somewhat clumsily moved along story lines, gave us a lot of insight into the true nature of Dharma, and a somewhat surprising ending. But let’s address a few things right off the bat. Last week, there seemed to be a hot internet rumor about a woman in the background behind Sun while she and Frank were in the darkened, abandoned cabin with Christian. I didn’t think that was important enough to mention, and this week, it was confirmed that it was a crew member that accidentally didn’t get edited out of a shot. So, no, Claire was not there with Christian. Secondly, it is fairly established now, based on the last few episodes, that the future has changed, dramatically, because of the actions happening in the past, by the time traveling folks. Whatever happened, happens is bullsh!t. Yeah, the first few episodes that Daniel preached that simplistic crap, I believed it. Not anymore. No way. We need to identify more of these game changing moments as they happen during our journey of watching this show. We know the future has changed, which is why we have some characters in the future, and some in the past; this is to gauge and observe the extremity of it. The question isn’t has it changed, but rather, can it be changed back to the way it was. Ben knew as soon as Alex died that the rules were out the window. If this is Groundhog Day, a Loop of time with these same characters, based on time travel, and the goal is the get to the point where Oceanic 815 crashes on the island again, it has to come through Desmond. He is the only one special enough to be a game changer. Ben and Locke are special in their own way, but Desmond is the cavalry. Lost will have an ending in Season 6, most likely looping back to Jack waking up in the jungle as Oceanic 815 burns on the beach. Would you be satisfied with that ending? I think I would be. At this point, I think we have seen, and are seeing two parallel alternate timelines. A branch in the road if you will. Will they join up at a later point in time is the question?

 

Sayid is the key character in this episode, as we see him at an early age slaughter a chicken. And not for himself, but for his brother/friend. But this scene stirred up echoes of Mr Eko and Yemi, and how Eko killed a man for Yemi, a sacrifice, when one of them had to. Now, a chicken is a popular animal in sacrifices, all around the world. The symbolism was too great to ignore. Sayid, much like Mr Eko, will be tested by the island. The island wants to know if Sayid is sorry for his sins, being a ruthless killer. All through out the episode, we see Sayid as a thoughtless killer, trying to become reformed, only to go back to being a torturer or killer again and again and again. Sayid is certainly headed for a fate much like Mr Eko. A fight against our fuzzy little smoke monster pal. Sayid just needs to see a hallucination, maybe Nadia or Shannon, and then get beaten to death. I’m not skipping ahead necessarily, but Sayid is a dead man with no soul and no apologies. So Ben brings Sayid a chicken salad sandwich, ironically enough., and a book. A Separate Reality, a supposedly non-fictional book by Carlos Casteneda. The author was an apprentice to several shamans, took great quantities of mind altering drugs such as peyote, and tried to see the universe as energy flowing throughout. I have a feeling the book title is more crucial, as a separate reality is certainly a reference to the chain reaction changes happening in the LOST universe. But certainly, a point can be made that Ben, young and old, is trying to make Sayid see a large truth about himself, and once Sayid realizes, finally realizes that he is a heartless killer, he will be at peace with his work and be malleable to be used as a mindless tool, a golem. Ben read the book twice. Hmmm. Does this mean the two realities, or that he lived through the time loop twice. Very curious. Young Ben tells Sayid about meeting Richard several years earlier, and that they both need to be patient.

 

Sayid politely declines a bribe by pumping several bullets into some nameless goon in Moscow. But as he meets up with Ben, he is summarily dismissed. You’re all done, Sayid. But I killed these people for you. This is where is gets really pathetic. Sayid is like some vicious animal that needs to be told to attack. When he starts to think for himself, things get really weird. While Ben was guiding him, he was a well oiled killing machine. Now, his master has whacked him with a rolled up newspaper and told him to get a life. Sayid doesn’t regret killing; he is upset that he is rejected by his master, like a pit bull living at Michael Vick‘s house. You could just see that puppy dog look as he says “What do I do now?” Well, for starters, you have a couple hundred million from the Oceanic crash settlement. Why don’t you go out and get a hooker and some heroin. Live it up a little. Nope, he goes and starts building houses in the Dominican Republic. Yawn.

Horace foreshadows torture by telling Sayid to hold out his hands before removing his cuffs. Sayid still won’t blab. Radzinsky is obsesses with the Swan model, the kind of obsession needed to push buttons over and over again, like he will in the future.

Juliet is burning bacon. With a point blank question, Juliet asks James “It’s over, isn’t it? Us? Playing house?” Sayid insists that nothing has changed. So let me break it to you, dear. Yes, it’s over. The Incompetent Oceanic 6 have returned, and they are screwing everything up. Kate will get Sawyer back. Locke stopped the time jumps on his own. Turns out the O6 didn’t have to return, as far as I can tell at this point. There better be some good reason for it in the future, because I’m tired on their little cute scenes. Sawyer tries to give Sayid a story to get himself out of trouble, but Sayid would rather be on his own. The most interesting part of that scene was Sayid’s first comment was addressing the fact that they were living with Ben, and how could they do that? Nothing about getting out, or what the plan is, or what year it is, but clearly we see evidence of Sayid being obsessed with Ben. When Sayid is laying on his bunk, and closes his eyes at night, the only thing going through his mind is…

“Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben. Ben.”

Chef Hurley serves Jack and Kate breakfast. He breaks the news to Kate about Juliet and Sawyer being together. Kate’s expression hasn’t changed since she came back to the island; her face is stuck in perpetual indifference. She might be the worst actress in modern TV history. That’s an impressive feat considering all the female characters on The Cosby Show, Shelly Long and Kirsten Alley from Cheers, and the entire cast of Sex and the City. Yuck. I want nothing more than to take a shower right now. I feel so unclean.

Ben’s father is mopping the floor, trying to trade witty barbs with Sayid. Ben walks in and tries a feeble attempt at a lie. I made you a sandwich, dad. Mr Linus got pissed, and yelled at Ben, that he never made him a god dam sandwich in his life. Yeah, we get it. We are supposed to feel bad for Ben because he has an “abusive” father. Guess what? I felt bad for Mr Linus. Imagine that your wife dies giving birth to an ugly, creepy kid. You uproot your life to move to this island to give your child a better life, and this ungrateful sack of suck won’t even make you a sandwich after a hard day of being a custodian. Are you kidding? If I were Ben’s father, I would not hesitate in giving him a beating. And how does this colostomy bag of a kid repay me for all that I did for him? He gasses me to death years later. Whaaaaaa, whaaaaa, whaaaaa, daddy forget me birthday again. You douchey sissy. Daddy didn’t love me. Well, maybe was an alcoholic because he had such a creepy kid. Do you think Mrs Cartman has issues as well being the mother to Eric Cartman? I so badly wanted to reach through the screen and punch Ben myself. Good for you Mr Linus, and in tossing the sandwich on the floor that you just mopped. That’ll teach somebody a lesson. Who, I have no idea. What kind of monster doesn’t make a meal for his parent?

Ben visits Sayid in Santo Domingo. I was expecting him to have a hoagie to give to Sayid. I believe Locke was murdered. No kidding? I wonder who did it? I guess Locke must have asked for a Monte Cristo and somebody needed to teach him a lesson. Ben plants a bunch of seeds in Sayid’s head. Ben is a very skilled killer, as he certainly showed by knocking off Abaddon. But he asks Sayid to kill the guy outside Hurley’s mental institution. He needs Sayid on that plane, and he knows that Sayid is very protective of Hurley. This is the only way he can get Sayid to continue to do what Ben wants and to come back to Los Angeles. So, Sayid did exactly that. Of course, then Ben turns around, and hires Ilana to capture Sayid, and take him on the Ajira flight. It’s the typical Ben move, like how he hired those lawyers to position Kate into returning. “It’s what you are. You’re a killer.” Always planting seeds.

Sawyer tasers Sayid, bringing up memories of how the Others used most likely these same tasers to subdue the Losties during the first couple of seasons. We head out to the outskirts of Dharma nation to meet Oldham, a recluse living in a tent. Hey, it’s Larry, without Darryl and Darryl. He’s our you, giving us the reason for the title of this episode. It seemed odd that Sayid didn’t attempt to break away from Phil and Radzinsky as they were securing him to the tree. I believe that Sayid did not want to escape until he fulfilled his perceived upcoming destiny. Sayid is drugged so that he can tell the truth. He positions himself inches away from Oldham in a classic stare down. Meh. I’ve seen meaner scowls from Bobby Flay on his Throwdown shows.

 

Back at the pier near Los Angeles, Sayid swears unpleasantness upon Ben if he ever meets him again. He proceeds to a bar and is pounding down McCutcheons by the snootful. We remember this liquor as what Charles Widmore was drinking when he told a proposing Desmond that he wasn’t worth a sip of that drink. Years later, Hurley and Charlie got Desmond drunk on the beat on McCutcheons in order to get Desmond to confess what was wrong - that Charlie was going to die. Ilana shows up, sweet talks Sayid, obviously looking to pick him up for some sinister reason. ‘Ole Sayid’s spidey sense wasn’t tingling, I suppose.

The confessions of Sayid come pouring out

I am a bad man

I am not a Hostile.

I came on a plane.

I returned to this island.

I was previously here 100 days then left

I arrived originally on Oceanic 815

Ask Sawyer, but Radzinsky interrupted that nugget with his Swan obsession.

The Pearl, Flame, and Swan identities

I’m from the future

then the giggling starts by Sayid. Horace at times seemed to look like he believed some of what Sayid was saying. The others were morons, that didn’t believe what they were hearing. Why would you doubt Sayid’s story without investigating it? And the first thing out of Sayid’s mouth was I am a bad man. Talk about no self esteem. The guy is so ready to die.

We see an awkward conversation between Juliet and Kate, where the essence is that Juliet wants Kate to stay away from Sawyer. Unfortunately, we know that won’t happen.

The Dharma elders debate the fate of Sayid, and these so called hippies are demanding blood. These people sicken me. They aren’t harmless scientists, preaching Namaste. They want to kill Sayid in cold blood for no apparent crime other than trespassing. And it’s unanimous. Wow. These people suck. I don’t feel any pity at all for the purge. I hope it still happens. You are building hatches on a special island where you feel time travel is possible. You have a man in your presence that claims he is from the future. So you decide to kill him, like a dimwitted villager with torches and pitchforks chasing Frankenstein’s monster. Even Amy twists Horace’s gonads and with her best Rev Lovejoy’s wife “What about the children? Won’t someone please think of the children?” Amy is pretty much useless.

 

Sayid gets jumped by Ilana in a hotel room. Turns out she is a bounty hunter, and not as careless and stupid as the broad in The Economist that let Sayid get the best of her. She declares Sayid will answer for what he has done. True, but not by you, the people who hired you (most likely Ben), or the law. Nope. The island will be the judge and jury and executioner. Sawyer yet again tries to talk sense into Sayid, but nothing doing. Sayid is at peace with himself, talking about destiny, and now knowing why he is back on the island. Huffy Sawyer, watching his world crumble, his iron grip control being shaken, marches over to Kate’s house to demand answers. Why did you come back? Kate gives a roundabout response, but before she give an answer along the lines of “I came back to make sure you weren’t having a happy life, but if you were I would take the time to ruin it….” a flaming bus crashed down a hill and plows into a house, which is the equivalent of having Kate in your life. It’s too bad Frank wasn’t steering it as it would have glided to a stop in the flowerbed instead. LaFleur is barking orders, getting his Abott and Costello fire brigade up and running. This was memorable because Jack actually had a second line in this episode “What do you want me to do?” or something like that. Oh, Jack, how far you have fallen. Good times, good times. Ben sneaks back into the holding cells. Ah, the little creep was the one that caused the fire. Clearly, it couldn’t have been Kate or Saywer, who were talking to each other, and Jack was close by. The only suspects at that point had to be Hurley or Little Ben. I wonder how the cameras will reveal this in upcoming episodes. Clearly Ben is caught on camera, hoodie or not, as the person who released Sayid. It had to be a child, based on Ben’s height. But do the camera’s record? I don’t know, but you would think so. The upcoming scandal will be why did Ben release the prisoner? Ah, that poor Mr Linus. He will catch grief for that as well. Sure, Ben showed up to free Sayid with broken glasses. But look at how Ben is behaving. Setting a van on fire to drive into an occupied house to release a dangerous prisoner. Parents, do you think a timeout would have resolved Ben’s issues. If you think so, please go suffocate your children with a pillow right now. If you are unfamiliar with the technique, just fast forward to the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. I’ll wait. …….All done. Good. Because I don’t want any more Bens running around this planet. And don’t give me that medication crap. It stiffles creativity. Drugs and kids don’t mix. Just like Hurley and Atkins, it just doesn‘t mix. Stupid Ben says “I hate it here”. Notice, he didn’t say I hate HIM. He hates it HERE. So, even Ben realizes what a rotten son he has been and doesn’t blame his father for trying to straighten him out. I hate it HERE. And what’s to like about living in a paradise location? Hell, he could be living it up in Portland Oregon, or Salt Lake City, or some other God forsaken place. At this point, throw the whole Linus family into a wood chipper and let’s be done with it. They suck in 1977, every last one of them. Sayid tells Ben he will take him to the Hostiles. It is his destiny. Um, NO. How is it your destiny to walk this kid to a group of people that have never met you, years before Ben was supposed to lead the purge? Sayid is going to fock up the Other’s plans just like that. I wasn’t buying it for a second. I figured that Sayid would make it out into the jungle, then run away from Ben, leaving him behind.

 

Sayid notices all the Oceanic 6 in the airport and doesn’t want to get on the plane. No dice. Ilana insists. Sayid asks Ilana if she is working for Ben. She says don’t be silly. Um, reality check is that she is. Little Ben and Sayid are running through the jungle. As they get off the road, a van stops, and Jin emerges. Sayid tells Jin that Sawyer let him out, a crucial bit of dialogue, no doubt, for future reference. As Jin calls in to Lafleur, Sayid knocks him out and pulls out his gun. “You were right, I am a killer.” Little Ben is completely baffled, since he has never told this to Sayid, yet. Nevertheless, Sayid shoots Little Ben through the heart. THE HEART. Ben is dead. And make no mistake, BEN IS DEAD. If you are thinking that the island will heal him, you are ignoring the spinal tumor that he got, how he is laying in a cot in the present, beaten into a bloody mess. No, the island stopped healing Ben a long time ago. The only way, only way Ben lives is if the island needs him in the future. But the island had the Jungle folks and Losties time jumping for a reason, to fix the past. This was it, a game changer. The island could have left Sayid in the present. But it sent him to the past to kill Ben. Christian told Locke that listening to Ben never got him anywhere. Ben is out. But can Ben still be alive in the future? Depends on which time line you look at. The one where he lived until he purged Dharma, and is on Hydra island. Or the alternate reality, where he is now dead. I get the feeling Desmond can unite the two alternate timelines. When Locke was shot, it was through the spot were his kidney was surgically removed. Even he said he would have died if that kidney was still there. Naomi recovered from a punctured lung, but she still was breathing. A direct shot into the heart is life ending. Ben is dead. In THIS timeline.

 

The writers set out to make the viewer feel certain ways during this episode.

Ben more sympathetic as an abused child.

Ben’s father is an abusive assh0le.

Sayid is an unemotional killer.

 

I consider those agenda items as mixed results. Obviously, I felt zero sympathy to Ben’s “abuse”. Give me a break. I got roughed up by my parents, teachers, other kids quite a bit. That’s called learning life lessons. Makes you a better person. The fact is that Ben didn’t learn anything but how to act like a crybaby that vowed revenge for nobody taking his whining seriously. Ben’s father had a shitty son. What can you do but drink? How would you feel if your kid is cooking meals for a prisoner, while not doing chores around the house? While I think Ben’s father is an assh0le, part of that is caused by Ben. Mr Linus is a dink, but not a monster. Just a drunk, missing his wife. More importantly, the writers spent a lot of time making Sayid’s character into what it needed to be in order to shoot in cold blood an unarmed child on prime time TV. That’s really bold right there. I suspect the island will judge Sayid for this very soon. Mr Eko style. It’s certainly possible that Ben was pulling the strings to get Sayid to shoot him as a child for God knows what reason to benefit Ben in the long run. But the bottom line is that I was supposed to feel like Ben was some kind of victim, and Sayid was a ruthless barbarian. I’m sorry, but I didn’t feel that at all. I just expressed surprise at the shooting. But it’s time to move on, hopefully to more interesting episodes. This one wasn’t particularly good.

[IAMWood 6]

When Ben let Sayid out they spoke about Ben's father, He said," I hated him." As in past tense, so I guess Ben killed him already??

 

Sorry, Philly politely corrected me, I misheard it twice. Little Ben said," I hate it here."

 

And in some agreement with Philly, obviously Ben really wanted to have Sayid return to the island, but to kill him? hmmmm.... this show is good.

 

[ROBOKOP 0]

Seriously quit changing the title to this thread. Anyways somewhere in the next few episodes I predict a re-emergence of Jack. He has been sitting on the sidelines for a while now and being a central character, I just dont see it lasting. Jack will regain the throne within three episodes.

[kutulu 1,680]

Seriously quit changing the title to this thread. Anyways somewhere in the next few episodes I predict a re-emergence of Jack. He has been sitting on the sidelines for a while now and being a central character, I just dont see it lasting. Jack will regain the throne within three episodes.

 

 

Everything changes

[posty 2,702]

Seriously quit changing the title to this thread.

 

BEST. POST. EVER.

[kutulu 1,680]

BEST. POST. EVER.

 

 

So I started re watching the series. Some things I missed or forgot from the first run through. Got through episode #5.

 

Pilot 1 & 2

 

*Looks like Ben’s weapon next to Jack’s head when the series begins.

 

*Charlie writing “F-A-T-E” on the tape on his knuckles

 

*White sneaker hanging in tree.

 

*Charlie sits down right next to the engine before the other dude gets sucked in. He is also seen standing next to it at one point. A few minutes later a huge piece of the plane lands feet from where Charlie is standing. He also narrowly missed getting crushed by some cargo when still on the plane.

 

“I need some time.” Syaid (when asked if he could fix the radio)

 

*Two players, two sides, one is light, one is dark."

 

Tabula Rasa

 

Episode 3 was titled Tabula rasa: “The writings of Avicenna, Ibn Tufail and Aquinas on the tabula rasa theory stood unprogressed for several centuries. In fact, our modern idea of the theory is mostly attributed to John Locke's expression of the idea in An Essay Concerning Human Understanding in the 17th century. In Locke's philosophy, tabula rasa was the theory that the (human) mind is at birth a "blank slate" without rules for processing data, and that data is added and rules for processing are formed solely by one's sensory experiences. The notion is central to Lockean empiricism. As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born "blank", and it also emphasized the individual's freedom to author his or her own soul. Each individual was free to define the content of his or her character - but his or her basic identity as a member of the human species cannot be so altered. It is from this presumption of a free, self-authored mind combined with an immutable human nature that the Lockean doctrine of "natural" rights derives.”

 

*Reward for Kate was 23,000 dollars

 

“Three days ago we all died” Jack

 

Charlie retapes his knuckle…writes L-A-T-E

 

“Last I heard we we’re positively made of time” Charlie

 

TPS Reports.

 

White Rabbit

First book Sawyer is seen reading, Watership Down.

 

· The protagonists of the book are rabbits, which have become a recurring theme on the show.

· Just as the Tempest was used to poison the entire island, at the beginning of the book the rabbits are poisoned and only a few remain to escape.

· One of the chapters in the book is also named "Dea Ex Machina" (much like "Deus Ex Machina"), after the literary device used to unexpectedly untangle plot situations. In this case, Dea is the feminine counterpart of the masculine Deus.

· "The remedy is worse than the disease", one of several possible translations of the Latin phrase "Aegrescit medendo", which is written on the blast door map, is a direct quote from Watership Down. It is spoken by the Chief Rabbit in the chapter "For El-Ahrairah to Cry", in Part Two. He means that it would be easier for the community to stay where they are and hope to survive the catastrophe that threatens them, rather than evacuate.

· In the 1978 animated movie of Watership Down, the opening scene focuses on a close-up of the lead character's eye, just as in the TV series.

 

"Living is easy with eyes closed."

~Charlie’s arm tattoo

[Quickolas1 80]

 

So I started re watching the series. Some things I miss or forgot from the first run through. Got through episode #5.

 

Pilot 1 & 2

 

*Looks like Ben’s weapon next to Jack’s head when the series begins.

 

*Charlie writing “F-A-T-E” on the tape on his knuckles

 

*White sneaker hanging in tree.

 

*Charlie sits down right next to the engine before the other dude gets sucked in. He is also seen standing next to it at one point. A few minutes later a huge piece of the plane lands feet from where Charlie is standing. He also narrowly missed getting crushed by some cargo when still on the plane.

 

“I need some time.” Syaid (when asked if he could fix the radio)

 

*Two players, two sides, one is light, one is dark."

 

Tabula Rasa

 

Episode 3 was titled Tabula rasa: “The writings of Avicenna, Ibn Tufail and Aquinas on the tabula rasa theory stood unprogressed for several centuries. In fact, our modern idea of the theory is mostly attributed to John Locke's expression of the idea in An Essay Concerning Human Understanding in the 17th century. In Locke's philosophy, tabula rasa was the theory that the (human) mind is at birth a "blank slate" without rules for processing data, and that data is added and rules for processing are formed solely by one's sensory experiences. The notion is central to Lockean empiricism. As understood by Locke, tabula rasa meant that the mind of the individual was born "blank", and it also emphasized the individual's freedom to author his or her own soul. Each individual was free to define the content of his or her character - but his or her basic identity as a member of the human species cannot be so altered. It is from this presumption of a free, self-authored mind combined with an immutable human nature that the Lockean doctrine of "natural" rights derives.”

 

*Reward for Kate was 23,000 dollars

 

“Three days ago we all died” Jack

 

Charlie retapes his knuckle…writes L-A-T-E

 

“Last I heard we we’re positively made of time” Charlie

 

TPS Reports.

 

White Rabbit

First book Sawyer is seen reading, Watership Down.

"Living is easy with eyes closed."

~Charlie’s arm tattoo

 

 

i like this type of post much more than philly's long-winded summaries that don't give us much except speculation (much of it unfounded) and hatred toward characters

[cribdog 0]

i like this type of post much more than philly's long-winded summaries that don't give us much except speculation (much of it unfounded) and hatred toward characters

 

Agreed. Seems like Philly doesn't even like the show anymore, he hates them all...but I suppose that is love for him.

[jets24 6]

I'm sad for Philly now. He got roughed up by his parents and friends?

 

Sorry to say Phillybear. It doesn't make you a better person. It makes you....well..............

 

You.

 

I do have lots of love for you my friend. You deserved better.

[kutulu 1,680]

I still dig PB's write ups. Not every episode is top notch and the last one certainly wasn't received as a great one from the LOST internet surfing I've done. I'm just jotting down some notes as I rewatch the entire series from the pilot episode on and posting some things that I find somewhat interesting. I think I'll do this after every 5 or so episodes I watch.

 

I may even call it something, like "LOST & Found".

[ROBOKOP 0]

It is Phillybear's attitude and unique perspective on the show which makes his posts entertaining. Yeah, he comes accross as abrasive, but thats what makes it fun to read. I dont agree with some things like his hatred for Kate and Jack, but it is still funny stuff how he keeps dishing it out.

[supermike80 1,922]

The guy puts a LOT of work into his posts(or copies and pastes from somewhere else) --either way it's more work than I put in and I enjoy reading them.

The more LOST info I get the better.

[kutulu 1,680]

The guy puts a LOT of work into his posts(or copies and pastes from somewhere else) --either way it's more work than I put in and I enjoy reading them.

The more LOST info I get the better.

 

I'm the same way...I am seriously gonna miss this show when it is all over. Here's just a few of the sites I check out dedicated to the show:

 

mania.com

 

zap2it.com

 

lost-and-gone-forever.

 

 

approachinglost.com

 

Got a bunch more.

[RicemanX 20]

The guy puts a LOT of work into his posts(or copies and pastes from somewhere else) --either way it's more work than I put in and I enjoy reading them.

The more LOST info I get the better.

I got his permission to put the entries on a blog, so friends who are Lost fans can check them out without coming to one of these websites. So far I've been getting some great responses.

 

Feel free to spread this out among your friends too.

 

http://oceanicrerouted.blogspot.com

[kutulu 1,680]

I got his permission to put the entries on a blog, so friends who are Lost fans can check them out without coming to one of these websites. So far I've been getting some great responses.

 

Feel free to spread this out among your friends too.

 

http://oceanicrerouted.blogspot.com

 

I've pimped your Blog about his write ups at this LOST forum:

 

4815162342.com

 

I didn't ask that dooshbag for permission though.

[RicemanX 20]

I've pimped your Blog about his write ups at this LOST forum:

 

4815162342.com

 

I didn't ask that dooshbag for permission though.

 

 

[Quickolas1 80]

miles/hurley conversation was greta. and they answered how ben wouldn't remember sayid shooting him.

now we know about aaron

and a sample of alpert's feelings toward eli/charles widmore

 

after many an episode it appears we may finally be getting to some of the bigger questions

 

next week: temple, smokey and island immortality ???

 

(ok, no way will that all be explained but looks like some more tidbits based on the preview)..bring it on!