LOST Season Five Thread

[Sho Nuff 720]

I agree. It makes sense, too, that the babies started dying on the island after the statue was destroyed and not while it was still whole (FYI - I didn't read your take on the latest episode so I'm not sure if you've said this already...possibly so).

 

We don't know if the statue is still whole when the Amy had the child in the last episode.

[The Moz 69]

The hippo statues I believe were early versions. I saw plenty of statues that were eerily similar to what we saw on LOST. Many times Taweret looked fat because she was depicted as pregnant. She holds an ankh, she wears that weird circle, flat hat. And there is no way that is a man, looking from the back. If I'm wrong, it's because I picked the wrong female god. But it is woman.

 

Think about all the time traveling episodes. Why, of all of them, did we get the coincidence of the statue and the birth of a child in the same episode?

 

Richard is not an Egyptian god or related to one. I know you have to suspend disbelief at times watching this show, but I very seriously doubt Richard is what you think he is. Richard would never take orders from a mortal. Richard is most likely a castaway from the Black Rock; he looks a bit like a pirate.

 

Agree to disagree then - I don't always agree with your takes on the show but it is a interesting read

 

personally i think there's too much symbolism for it not to be Anubis and for Richard not to be at least Egyptian - sawyer even noted the guyliner ( I know it's natural with that actor but Sawyer made it clear they are going with it in the show ).

[The Moz 69]

I agree. It makes sense, too, that the babies started dying on the island after the statue was destroyed and not while it was still whole (FYI - I didn't read your take on the latest episode so I'm not sure if you've said this already...possibly so).

 

 

Then splain how Amy had a baby? a full 3 years after Lockes earthquake time shift thing -- if that even caused the Statue to collapse. When they get to 1977 the statue is no longer even there. I think the preggo issues came from the Purge the chemicals used or Dharma switched something on as a FU...

[The Next Generation 10]

We don't know if the statue is still whole when the Amy had the child in the last episode.

 

Yeah...I was thinking they saw the statue in the same time as they were now with Dharma. I kinda missed that they time-traveled one more time and that's where they are now..my bad. I'm not really THAT dedicated to the details when I'm watching it. My 3-12 month old kid usually cries or spits-up on me and I miss something or other.

[RicemanX 20]

Great writeup Phillybear.

[IAMWood 6]

You want the autograph of a big tattooed dude who does the effing lighting for a show that airs for the first time tonight?

 

And you call ME a jagoff?

 

jvirne = jagoff

 

[phillybear 366]

5.8 ½ Midseason Musings

 

With no new episode this week, it’s a good time to take a deep breath, and post some miscellaneous rambling thoughts on LOST. I’m going to try a similar format as the season opening write-up, and revisit each main or semi main character, and see if I have something to say.

 

Sayid: Well, he doesn’t seem to be on the Hydra Island. Which means he is most likely in the 1970’s with Dharma. Except that he is still in handcuffs. That seems to be quite a bit of bad news, to be alone in the jungle, in handcuffs. He better hope no polar bears are around that are willing to chase him. Then again, if Sayid is in the Dharma time, we may meet the little known Radzinsky and Kevin Inman, two guys that were stationed in the Swan, pushing the button. Radzinsky is the less known guy, responsible for putting the hatch drawings on the lock down doors in the Swan, and eventually put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Kevin Inman is the guy Desmond was partnered with for a while in the Swan. He also had a connection to Kate’s military officer father, and had a prominent role in the Sayid flashback where Sayid did some torturing in Iraq. Inman and Radzinsky survived the Dharma purge, probably because the Others didn’t know where the Swan hatch was, even though they could see them through the monitors in the Pearl station, as we recall Ben and Juliet spying on the Losties in the Swan back in Season 3. It would be nice to get more info on these two mystery guys. And what exactly did Sayid do to get arrested and sent to Guam?

 

Jack: Final scene of Lost, as I keep on saying: Jack wakes up in the jungle, as the past meets the future in that split second. If the Dharma 7 never time jump to the present, they are the proof of the time loop, Groundhog Day angle, they will then live out the next few months on the island, Seasons 1-4, maybe with past knowledge, maybe not, but it would be interesting to see how the end is actually the beginning. Jack has undergone a remarkable change in character just before coming back to the island, now ignoring common sense to become a man of faith. So odd to see Jack ignoring his brain to follow his heart. Oh, wait, he was on his way to see the Wizard in search of a brain, so this might have been a good strategic move.

 

Hurley/Hugo: His character has receded into the background. Just as soon as you start thinking he is important, like finding the Cabin, he becomes the invisible man. Hurley’s paranoia over Ben is annoying me. Hurley is probably justified in his mistrust, but it doesn’t make it less annoying.

 

Sawyer: Locke and Sawyer are neck and neck for most dramatic character change since arriving on the island. I hope this dope realizes the happy time he spend with Juliet is not something to be treated lightly. Kate is a horrible person, Sawyer is one of my favorites on this show. Don’t do it, buddy. Don’t do it. Oh, you ARE going to do it, aren’t you?

 

Jin: After spending last season as Sun’s whipping boy, he has rebounded a bit, has made several very selfless acts, and is very good as Sawyer’s sidekick. Very natural.

 

Sun: Well, for all the hate I spewed in her direction, I find myself spewing less. Sure, she is a dope, betraying her father, betraying Jin, cutting a deal with Widmore, then abandoning her child to go look for Jin. She is still an ice queen, but I chalk it up to being a dummy at this point. She was trying to act like a hitman for a while, but as soon as she saw Jin‘s ring, she became as docile as a cow being led to slaughter by Ben. I hope for Jin’s sake, she is trapped in the present, and never has a chance to ruin Jin’s life again.

 

Kate: Easily, the worst actor and worst person on this show. I don’t care how many people Ben slaughters, his heart is not as ice cold as Kate’s. Please, island, what sacrifice do you need from me to ensure Kate dies? Why does she matter to the show’s story anymore. Jack is connected to the island by family. Hurley can see the cabin. Why is Kate in the past, other than to give Sawyer blue balls. Fock you, Kate. I’d want her to be pregnant and die in early childbirth, but that would be 2 trimesters too long for my liking. Kate has the same snaky obnoxiousness as the lady that called 911 3 times because McDonalds wouldn’t give her the chicken nuggets that she ordered.

 

Locke: Locke is in the present. Being that Sawyer knows Locke jumped to fix the time jumping, he and Jack can compare stories where Jack knows Locke was coming back to the island, it might be worth speculating on their part that Locke is in another time line. What would I do? How about writing messages to Locke, and leaving them where only Locke would find them. Maybe make an orientation film for him, or leave a message at the Swan. Something to let Locke know they are trapped in the past. A war is coming. Maybe it’s not so simple, a battle between Ben and Widmore. How about a battle between people from different time periods, a battle to see which time period triumphs. Or something even crazier. And let’s consider a truly interesting scenario. It’s pretty obvious that Locke’s loyalty is to the Others and the island at this point. What if this big battle coming up is between Locke led Others vs. the Losties and friends. Locke has to lead a final battle vs. Jack and his friends. Locke will have mixed emotions about that one. And towards the end of Season 6, Locke betrays the Others for the better good and helps Jack, and dies one final time for the island. Jack is then forced to become the guardian of the island and as a result the spiritual leader.

 

Claire: turns out, she is pregnant in real life, and is having a kid. Which explains why she isn’t on the show at the moment. So, no need to speculate anything about her.

 

 

Benjamin: Holy smokes, Ben is a liar. When Jack turned to Ben aboard the Ajira flight, and asked him if he knew that Locke killed himself, Ben acted surprised, despite being the one who killed him. But let’s not overlook how Jack asked Ben how can you be reading? Ben answered, “my mother taught me”. You know what, I missed this lie the first time. Ben’s mother died in child birth. Even when Ben is asked an innocent question, he can’t help but lie. So….my belief is that Ben NEVER could communicate with Jacob. He was able to find the cabin. But he may have fooled Widmore into leaving the island. He had Dharma killed off. He may have fooled Richard into thinking Ben was to be the Others leader. Then pretended to hear Jacob speak. But since Ben was not meant to be the leader, the island punished the island with childbirth issues, an homage to Ben’s mother dying in childbirth. And that is why Ben was so shocked when Jacob spoke to Locke the first time. Ben was pretending to talk to an empty chair, but Locke heard “help me” Jacob needed Locke’s help to rescue the island from Widmore AND Ben. Ben is a larger than life character that just continues to get better with every episode. Just get ready to hate him, because he killed Penny. No. Doubt. In. My. Mind. We will see that flashback soon enough, probably in a few episodes, as a reason for Desmond to return to the island this season. Revenge. If we saw Ben kill the beloved Locke, why not Penny? Who in their right mind would be so incensed to stop watching at this point? Also, if you consider Ben’s lust for Juliet, you may consider the stupid romantic angle on the show as a love pentagram.

 

Desmond: I know Penny is dead. Hell, I hope it too. Desmond knows Ben is going back to the island. Revenge moves him to go back, with Widmore’s help. But since he is special, does his arrival reunite all the Losties and the rest into the same time frame? Does Desmond time jump? Does Desmond stay in present day.. The writers can go in so many wonderful directions.

 

Juliet: Just when I think they are about to kill her off, she starts doing the between the sheets tango with Sawyer. I hope she makes it to the end of the season alive. Again, I have to point out how Juliet is hiding information from the rest.

 

Vincent: have we seen him this year?

 

Shannon/Boone: consider someone just starting to watch Season 1. They come up to you and ask “how are Shannon and Boone doing?” You have to rack your memory to try to remember who the hell these people are. Oh, yeah. I remember them. But you can’t tell your friend they have been dead for many seasons. How cool is that?

 

Walt: No way the island is through with him. He will be back at some point, probably Season 6.

 

Mr Eko/AnaLucia: We’ve never seen Mr Eko since he died. It would be nice, writers. More Ana Lucia = more gooder.

 

 

Libby: I get the feeling we will never get her back story, how she was in the same mental hospital as Hurley, how she gave her boat to Desmond. Seems like the time has passed on her character, and her lingering questions will continue to linger.

 

Daniel: As much as I loved his character last year, and as important he was the first half of this season, he is becoming a whiny 5 year old. Boo fraking Hoo. Charlotte is dead. You had a crush on her. Get over it. Again, let me point out, you never even kissed her. This is like some horrible Drew Barrymore movie. I know, I know, that’s redundant. Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy. Daniel and Charlotte is a joke. Writers: just stop.

 

Miles: Best wiseass on the show. Hope he sticks around. Plus, after spending 3 years on the island, Lord knows what he has learned by now, after hearing the dead chatter. His character is about to take a step up to the next level.

 

Charlotte: I never want to hear her name again. Enough.

 

Danielle: We got the back story in a fantastic flashback with the monster. As the French say, vaya con Dios.

 

Rose: Eve part of Adam and Eve skeletons in the caves from Season 1? Maybe. But I’m glad she has disappeared for a number of episodes. She is yet another character I’ve done a 180 on since the beginning of the series. I used to really like. Maybe it was because she wasn’t afraid to give Jack some grief. Once she decided to stick with Jack and turn her back on Locke, I lost a lot of respect for her character.

 

Richard: Richard never ages. I think the island is more important and powerful than the people on the island. Therefore, is it logical to think Richard doesn‘t age because he was time jumping and popped into the wrong time before the wheel stopped spinning. The island isn’t aging him until he gets to the right time, then the clock starts. If Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley remain in Dharma time, I bet they don’t age a bit until they reach 2007. So what is the right time for Richard? I’m not sure. He may be related to the Black Rock in some way, since he looks a bit Johnny Depp pirate-like. Could it be that he won’t age until he time jumps to the correct past, possibly the Black Rock time. Until that happens, he is not allowed to age, because whatever happened, happens. If he ages and dies, he can’t go back to the past and do what he is meant to do. In essence, Richard is somewhat lost in time, much like the island. How’s that for the first plausible Richard theory you’ve heard? And I don’t want to hear the Richard is a god theory. He isn’t.

 

Bernard: Adam part of Adam and Eve skeletons from Season 1? He was a likeable dope for a while, but his down home advice he was giving to others rubbed me the wrong way. The same way Garrison Keillor made me send him hundreds of death threats. I didn’t want to do it. But I felt I owed it to him. Don’t think I’ve forgotten about you Garrison.

 

Alex: Well, we found out Danielle was really her mother, and Ben was not her father. Closure.

 

Nikki/Paulo: I want a Nikki dead character appearance. What? I’m the only one? But she was a stripper!!!

 

Christian: the zombie that we all have grown to like. I am looking forward to his next appearance. I want another Christian Jack meeting.

 

Frank: Well, he isn’t gone for good after all. He continues to be more important than anyone realizes.

 

Penny: most likely dead. Little Charlie might be dead too. I don’t care.

 

Dr Candle/Halliwax: We will see this guy a lot more, if we are in Dharma time. I want to hear more about the truth behind the tapes, and what the leaders of Dharma are actually doing with all of these hatches, and which ones we haven’t seen.

 

Charles Widmore: the apparent villain, but his story suddenly has much more complexity. We need more. If Penny is dead, he is going to be more vicious in going after Ben. Good.

 

Aaron: Enough with Aaron. I hope when Claire returns, she is motivated to kill Kate.

 

Caesar: The way he was searching the hatch, he was looking for specific information. Can he be anything but a Widmore spy?

 

Ilana: She seems more like an innocent victim of circumstance, but is likely to be a puppet to Caesar’s string pulling.

 

The Smoke Monster: I have been demanding a flashback for many seasons. Can we get one soon? Please?

 

I’ve been spot on with how the season will progress, from the time travel beginning, to the shift to Dharma, a clever way to get their all important back story. It’s most likely going to continue for a while, with several episodes to explore a young Ben Linus, young Charlotte, possibly a young Miles, and other surprise appearances, no doubt. So, after Dharma, where do we go? The only possibility left will be the Others back story. Where they came from, why some of them don’t age, what is their motivation in anything they do, where do they hide on the island. I think the statue story is done. The Black Rock is still unresolved. But when you think about it, what major mysteries are still left? We have gotten so many answers in the last year and half, it makes me dizzy.

[The Moz 69]

philly bear -- a great read on Lostpedia you might want to check out on Smokey

 

smokey info

[posty 2,702]

Claire: turns out, she is pregnant in real life, and is having a kid. Which explains why she isn’t on the show at the moment. So, no need to speculate anything about her.

 

I don't think she is/was pregnant... It was said a while ago that she had a holding contract with Lost for season five and returning in season six...

 

Vincent: have we seen him this year?

 

Episode 2... http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Character_...ances#VincentS5

[kutulu 1,680]

So I'm doing a LOST character draft. Drafting from the 6th hole. Locke fell in my lap. Followed that up with Widmore.

 

 

:championship:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, LOST returns tonight.

[cbfalcon 825]

So I'm doing a LOST character draft. Drafting from the 6th hole. Locke fell in my lap. Followed that up with Widmore.

:championship:

 

Also, LOST returns tonight.

 

Nice picks from the 6 hole. I think your team is the best so far.

 

I'm with Ben Linus being the obvious #1. Richard may be a reach at 2 but we don't know yet.

 

But Eko at #3? Horrible horrible pick.

 

 

edit: Just read where the point is to build an A-Team. Have to rethnk everything, but still like Ben #1 overall as he is the ultimate Hannibal.

[kutulu 1,680]

edit: Just read where the point is to build an A-Team. Have to rethnk everything, but still like Ben #1 overall as he is the ultimate Hannibal.

 

I guess I shoulda actually read the rules.

 

I'm thinking with my next pick I'll go outside the box and take Vincent the dog...

according to one of the shows creators, Vincent might know who Jacob is and is the only cast member guaranteed to live through the run of the show.

 

[The Moz 69]

but still like Ben #1 overall as he is the ultimate Hannibal.

 

You might not really know just what you are actually onto in that statement!

 

 

you could be really right just for a totally different reason

[kutulu 1,680]

I'm with Ben Linus being the obvious #1.

 

Yeah, it was kind of bogus...they didn't even roll to determine the order of picks...just first to sign up went first, last...last, etc, etc...

[Vikings4ever 550]

The baby isn't one of the Losties: it's Ethan Rom.

[kutulu 1,680]

Where did Faraday go?

 

And when is Vincent?

[posty 2,702]

Didn't get to see the episode, but I did tape it...

[Quickolas1 80]

5.8 ½ Midseason Musings

Richard: Richard never ages. I think the island is more important and powerful than the people on the island. Therefore, is it logical to think Richard doesn‘t age because he was time jumping and popped into the wrong time before the wheel stopped spinning. The island isn’t aging him until he gets to the right time, then the clock starts. If Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley remain in Dharma time, I bet they don’t age a bit until they reach 2007. So what is the right time for Richard? I’m not sure. He may be related to the Black Rock in some way, since he looks a bit Johnny Depp pirate-like. Could it be that he won’t age until he time jumps to the correct past, possibly the Black Rock time. Until that happens, he is not allowed to age, because whatever happened, happens. If he ages and dies, he can’t go back to the past and do what he is meant to do. In essence, Richard is somewhat lost in time, much like the island. How’s that for the first plausible Richard theory you’ve heard? And I don’t want to hear the Richard is a god theory. He isn’t.

 

how about once you die off the island and are brought to it (maybe by blackrock in one case) and back to life, there's no reason to age?

 

richard, christian, locke...

[The Moz 69]

worst episode of the season

 

only high points -- are

 

We now know for certain Ben knows the future in advance -- hence the building of the runway on that Island

 

The previews laid ground work for what most likely becomes " the incident "

 

We got a glimpse of little Ben

 

Faraday might be with the Others - which is why he is so close with Widemore in real time.

 

 

What i can't understand is why wouldn't sawyer and Julliette work with Richard instead of Dharma -- Richard is the one that actually knows the islands secrets and could maybe help them get back.

 

2 staright episodes and NO LOCKE , NO Widmore , a Christian scene but a shitty one , ... an a watered down Ben

 

Writers need to pick it up!

 

Lost needs

 

More Richard , More Locke , More Christian , More Ben , More Miles , More Smokey -- Less Jack , Less Hurley , Less Kate !!

 

a side order of Julliete's boobies every episode !

[Voltaire 5,317]

More Richard , More Locke , More Christian , More Ben , More Miles , More Smokey -- Less Jack , Less Hurley , Less Kate !!

 

More Rambo Rose and the Dentist of Destruction.

[kutulu 1,680]

Kind of a set up type episode...looks like fireworks fly next week though. I still want to know where the fock is Dan Faraday.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Kind of a set up type episode...looks like fireworks fly next week though. I still want to know where the fock is Dan Faraday.

 

Gone nutty I think.

I don't think Sawyer was trying to say he was "gone" in a physical sense...but a mental one.

[kutulu 1,680]

Gone nutty I think.

I don't think Sawyer was trying to say he was "gone" in a physical sense...but a mental one.

 

 

Did they ever explain where he ran off to when the alarm went off in Dharma? He went one way...everyone else went the other way.

 

Took this from a LOSTblog site:

 

• The song playing when Sawyer et al pull into the Dharma camp is “Ride Captain Ride” by Blues Image:

 

Seventy-three men sailed up

From the San Francisco Bay,

Rolled off of their ship

And here's what they had to say.

"We're callin' everyone to ride along

To another shore,

We can laugh our lives away

and be free once more."

But no one heard them callin',

No one came at all,

'Cause they were too busy watchin'

Those old raindrops fall.

As a storm was blowin'

Out on the peaceful sea,

Seventy-three men sailed off

To history.

Ride, captain ride

Upon your mystery ship,

Be amazed at the friends

You have here on your trip.

Ride captain ride

Upon your mystery ship,

On your way to a world

That others might have missed.

[RicemanX 20]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/ani...09sunwoman2.jpg

 

Anyone else notice this?

[kutulu 1,680]

Yeah, it was kind of bogus...they didn't even roll to determine the order of picks...just first to sign up went first, last...last, etc, etc...

 

6th pick... kutulu2

John Locke (6)

Charles Widmore (10)

Vincent (22)

Hugo "Hurley" Reye$ (27)

 

[King of Gondor 0]

The Smoke Monster: I have been demanding a flashback for many seasons. Can we get one soon? Please?

 

The Others back story. Where they came from, why some of them don’t age, what is their motivation in anything they do, where do they hide on the island.

 

I had a thought about this. Maybe the smoke monster (what ever it is) is somehow involved in turning or transforming people (kind of being re-born if you like) into the "others" or "hostiles" whatever you want to call them. It's a way of the island choosing people. Sometimes smokie kills people - flings them around like ragdolls (the 815 pilot, Eko, etc.) - but why do other times it appears to grab and try to take people - drag them underground, and where? - to the temple? For example it tried to take Locke but was somhow stopped. Or in Rousseau's back story, one of her people was killed while one was dragged into the temple and her other friends followed him in trying to help. We then see Jin jump forward in time to see Rousseau trying to ward off her "friends" who have been "changed" and she ends up killing them. This would also explain why some of the tailies who where kidnapped by the others (in the whole Ana Lucia's/tailies backstory) became part of the "others" group, with no regard for their former 815 crash mates.

[parrot 789]

6th pick... kutulu2

John Locke (6)

Charles Widmore (10)

Vincent (22)

Hugo "Hurley" Reye$ (27)

 

 

Hurley in the fourth? I wish I could play in your league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kutulu 1,680]

Hurley in the fourth? I wish I could play in your league.

 

I'll let you know when we have some openings. 7 retards and one borderline.

[parrot 789]

I'll let you know when we have some openings. 7 retards and one borderline.

 

Family league huh?

 

 

 

 

 

[kutulu 1,680]

Family league huh?

 

No, those jerks wouldn't let me in their league.

[phillybear 366]

5.9 Namaste

 

Not every episode is going to have the wall to wall What The Fock? moments. This episode did a nice job of advancing a number of story lines, filling in some gaps in this year’s story telling, and setting us up for future twists and turns.

 

We begin on the Ajira plane, with the co-pilot recognizing Hurley as a celebrity. I had to ask myself, with Frank knowing that the plane was going back to the island, and that the original plane crash killed a bunch of people, how could Frank consciously keep the plane on course towards the island. Change course settings, you selfish mook. Sure, Frank is a fantastic pilot, but if one of your main jobs is to protect your passengers, how can you make the decision to sacrifice lives to do a favor for Jack and Hurley. Weak, dude. I hope you noticed how the plane started hitting turbulence when it was night time, and when they emerged from the clouds, it was high noon. Yep, the time difference strikes again, as Frank flies through the bubble that separates the rest of the world from the island’s circumference. Kudos go the Frank for keeping the plane from ripping into multiple pieces, unlike some other pilot from the ironically pilot episode who didn’t do such a good job. Maybe that is another reason the smoke monster killed that original pilot. He screwed up in the plane crash. And lo and behold, as the plane turns, they spot a runway. OK. How ridiculous does it sound to build a runway on a remote, lost in time island? Well, it was done on Ben’s orders. Remember back in Season 3, during the stretch of brutally awful episodes featuring Jack, Kate, and Sawyer being captives of the Others on the Hydra station island, Kate and Sawyer were hauling rocks all day as work duty. This must have been part of the runway clearance. It was mentioned that the time table for the project had been moved up, so there was certainly prior knowledge that a runway needed to be built, for this specific situation. How, how, how did the Others know? Jacob? Well, if my supposition is right that Ben can’t really talk to Jacob, then the answer is no. Ability to see the future? Maybe based on Walt’s gift, they were able to get some things out of the kid while he was a prisoner. Ben remembering things during time loops? My simple conclusion is that Ben is able to have knowledge of future events. That is how he stays in power. How, I’m not sure yet. I also feel bad for the co-pilot. If this is playing out like the Oceanic plane crash, he is going to die shortly. But he does an important thing first. He tries to call for help, and the signal is overridden by a voice saying over and over again, “4,8,15,16,23,42” This is of ENORMOUS significance. And something I completely missed hearing until I re-watched the episode today. If you recall, during Season 1, the Losties discovered Rousseau’s distress call transmitting over and over again in French. She said that she changed the message from the numbers being broadcast over and over again, 16 years prior. When Hurley traveled to Australia, he was told that the numbers were broadcast for a long time, where the military was listening to it. Jack and the Losties turned off Rousseaus transmission at the end or Season 3. Right now, there should be silence. Yet, he are hearing the numbers. Faraday is very wrong. Whatever happened does not mean is happens. Maybe during the time jumps this may have been true. But now that the island folks are stationary, and interacting with the past, something that was done has drastically affected the future, as we will keep seeing over and over again this episode, in very subtle ways. Well, that didn’t take long, the co-pilot is dead. Frank checks on the passengers. As Caesar checks Ilana, she mutters a name before waking up. I wish I had subtitles, but that has to wait until the DVDs come out. Was the name “Sarah” muttered? Well, the only Sarah in Lost is Jack’s ex wife. It also sounded a bit like “Gerald” and the only Gerald is DeGroot, a founder of Dharma. Don’t know the significance of the word slip at this point. Sun does not jump, confirming what we all strongly suspected. As Frank asks Ben what happened, we get a “How should I know?” Other than knowing the plane was going to crash, and you knew exactly how long the runway had to be to save your life, you don’t know a thing. Sure. 30 years earlier, Sawyer is staring at Jack, Kate, and Hurley. Well, mostly Kate, as Jack looks at this blatant ogling by sticking his hands in his pockets and looking like a glum idiot. Yeah, I slept with her a day or two ago, but by all means stare at her as if she was naked. Oh, that’s right, you’ve seen her naked. Never mind. I’ll just stand and sulk over here. Hugs all around, and Kate strangely calls LaFleur “James”. Is this the first time she called him “James”? Probably. Unusually formal. Both groups trade stories. Locke is dead (wrong again Jack), and that JKH are now in Dharma time, 1977.

 

So, 3 years have passed in the real world and on the island, so time moves at a somewhat similar rate in a large scale sense, but a day or two behind or ahead in a practical sense. When Jin hears Sun was on the plane, he loses his mind. Instead of doing the smart thing and running and hiding from a female that would make Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct get goose bumps, he goes to look for the plane. No doubt so he can find her and put a bullet into the back of her head. After 3 years, surely he has had time to reflect how much she has ruined his life. Juliet, playing the snooping jealous girlfriend, catches up with Sawyer and is stunned, in the bad way, that Jack, Hurley, and especially Kate are back. Hell, she probably watched Kate have sex with Sawyer in the polar bear cages on camera. She can’t feel good about having Kate around. Sawyer explains that they have to do something with them “before they screw up everything we got here”. This was left vague on purpose. Was he talking about Dharma and his life with them, or his relationship with Juliet? Both? Neither? As Jin arrives at the Flame station, long before Locke blew it up, I can’t help but wonder why a communication station was built at the base of a mountain. Um, reception might be spotty. A man looking like a scruffy Paul Giamatti is startled by Jin’s barging in and running around the place like either Tom and Jerry of cartoon fame. Turns out the guy in the station is Radzinsky, the guy that killed himself inside the Swan station Back on the beach, Frank is doing a Jack speech, gathering everybody together, giving a pep talk, and promising to look after them. Caesar starts to take charge, noticing the cages and houses nearby. Ben knows they are on the Hydra station island, and better skedaddle in case Caesar finds a picture or evidence of Ben in those houses. Sun follows him. Ben decides to double back rather than hide from Sun, and asks her to join him on the island. Why? I have no idea. Remember, that confused, mentally unhinged woman was trying to kill you a couple of days ago.

 

Juliet checks on Amy and the baby while slyly taking over the sub manifest. Very reminiscent of Ethan sneaking into the Losties camp, as she and Sawyer are trying to sneak JKH into Dharma. And wouldn’t you know it? The baby is named Ethan. Most likely the same Ethan who worked with Juliet, the same Ethan who kidnapped Claire, hung Charlie, and killed either Scott or Steve. Creepy Ethan. Juliet was repulsed, as if she was holding the baby Rocky Dennis. The main question here is how did Ethan end up with the Others down the road. Remember, we were led to believe that Ben was the only Dharma survivor from the purge, which is still many years away, as Ben was a grown up when he poisoned his father and many others. Ethan is a baby. So, do the Others kidnapp Ethan at some point? Did he convert? Did Horace have to give him up in some deal with Richard? Amy asks When are you and LaFleur going to have a baby? When the time is right. Bullsh!t. What Juliet meant to say was when Kate is dead. Jack admits to Kate that Hawking didn’t tell him anything about a time jump. I wonder if it would have made a difference as to whether the Oceanic 6 would have come back with this condition known. Hell, maybe Hawking had no idea this was going to happen. Interesting plan to sneak JKH into Dharma by way of sub. But since no new recruits are due for 6 months, does this mean that the island will be inaccessible to everybody for that time; the island is going to be hiding. Which makes me wonder. Since the purge happened in the future in some time line, not this one, but some time line, there really was no escape from it. Everybody was trapped, doomed to die, unless they had a gas mask. Or maybe make a dash to the Hydra station island. Anyway, Jack asks Kate what she thinks, and then Hurley chimes in. This is the exact opposite of what Jack would have done on the island the first time around. He did all the decision making and no listening. Quite a remarkable change. A red alarm goes off in the Flame, and Jin runs out to confront the hostile. Who happens to be Sayid. Sayid had a lot of practice putting on his surprised face this episode, as Jin points the gun at his head when Radzinsky shows up with his gun.

 

Hurley brings up the mass grave Dharma pit and if Sawyer is going to warn them. Sawyer counters with Faraday’s theories (which we know are wrong) and that he isn’t here anymore. Since we’ve seen all the other Losties and Widmores in their Dharma roles, with the exception of Daniel other than scene one of episode one of this season, you could speculate that Daniel may have left the island at some point. I prefer to think that he has left the island, mentally. He’s gone bat sh!t crazy. A mental meltdown. Sawyer reveals the plan of concealment as we arrive at a Dharma recruitment party, complete with alibis and fake work assignments. Sawyer is decisive, thinking ahead, and staying quick witted. He truly has become what Jack never was. Miles tells Sawyer about Sayid, who is moved to a holding area in the Flame. Ben leads Sun to a spot where several outrigger canoes are conveniently hidden. Again, an example of Ben knowing the future in advance, most likely. He knew he would need these vessels, like the runway. But, during the time jumps, all three canoes were at the Losties old beach. So….how did the canoes get from one island to the next, and specifically, on the opposite side of Lost island, since from the small island to the big island in a straight line from where Ben and Sun stood were the Barracks. Another example of things being wrong. Ben discards his arm sling, either showing off the island’s healing power, or a ruse designed to keep people from beating up a one armed man getting on a plane. Frank shows up, leaving a bunch of passengers behind to chase a woman who walked off into the jungle. Frank is an irresponsible dummy. Can you trust Ben? I have to. The more important question, oh foul wench, can Ben trust you. A showdown between the two biggest liars on the show, Ben and Sun. Frank points out that a boat full of commandos came after Ben. And the lovely comeback How did that work out for everybody. Sun shot Ben a dirty look, and I bet he knew it to. Brass balls on this guy. Ben explains how close he is to his own people just on the other side on the island, and he offers to help the plane crash victims. For his most generous dubious offer, Sun blindsides him with a canoe paddle. I lied. Yep, you sure did, Sun. And as a result, you knocked down the best chance of rescue those poor Ajira people had. Might not have been a great chance, but it was there only chance. They are all trapped in this world. And now Frank has to abandon those folks and go with you because your scrawny ass and flimsy wrists aren’t going to be able to handle the canoe in the open ocean. So, you screwed Ben, Frank, the Ajira folks. To go back to a huge island to look for Jin without the guidance of the guy that knows all about the island. Just to get a cute line in. Sun, will you ever win your constant battle to try to do something intelligent rather than succumbing to idiocy. I am overjoyed that Jin is 30 years away from you, and it’s still not far enough. Sun should be standing around a bubbling cauldron. Oh, yeah. How’s that kid of your’s doing? That’s right. You have a kid you abandoned, Ms Mother of the Year. You won in a landslide over the OctoMom. But don’t feel bad for OctoMom. She’s been cast as the villain in the next Iron Man movie: Iron Man vs. Iron Uterus. And all this happened before they looked around and discovered Locke was back near the crash site. Fools, every last one of them.

 

While the hippie recruitment party is in full swing, including the orientation film recorded by Dr Chang, who explains that the compound is surrounded by pylons, the actual Dr Chang processes Jack. He mutters how disorganized they are on the other side, most likely a reference to Dharma in the real world, run by the DeGroots. Chang speaks highly of LaFleur, a good man, runs a tight ship. Another comparison to Jack can be made here, a common theme running through the episode until the conclusion. Based on aptitude, Jack will be a workman. Well going from doctor to janitor should make Jack feel like a legal U.S. immigrant. On the bright side, he doesn’t have to be a cab driver and deal with traffic all day long. Kate is questioned by Paul. I swear, the more I look at this lunkhead, the more convinced I am that they have a unibrow but they really don‘t. I’m talking about Paul and not Kate, so pay attention. He looks like one of those villains sitting at Dr Evil’s table from an Austin Powers movie. Maybe it was the lesbian golfer. Dunno. Juliet shows up just in time. She and Kate spend some time with idle chatter while staring daggers at each other. Juliet looked extremely psychotic. I think Kate will be working in the motor pool. Random thought. Remember when Juliet got branded back in Season 3. Was there any evidence of that mark last week when she was in bed with Sawyer? Radzinsky puts in his bid for craziest person of the episode with his paranoia over the Swan hatch plans, the future location of it, the hostile is a spy, and they need to shoot him. Well, if Radzinsky designed it, I guess I can understand how he ended up in the damn thing pushing buttons. Sayid confesses to being a hostile under the questioning and helpful hints of Sawyer. He is taken back to the Barracks jail. Frank and Sun arrive on the main island, and it’s dark. They walk along a dilapidated pier. We know this to be the pier the sub was stationed at during Season 3 and Juliet‘s flashback. The problem is that the dock is long abandoned, in desperate need of repair after a long period of time of neglect. But how can this be? After Dharma was purged, we saw the Others living at the Barracks. We saw this same dock just before Locke blew up the submarine. Things have changed based on actions from the past. Hey, the trees are shaking. It’s Smokey!!! And….nothing. Wow. Smokey left. Why? Was it coming for Frank, like it did in the pilot episode, killing the Oceanic 815 pilot in a gruesome way. Was it coming for Sun, for her willingness to partner with Charles Widmore? Was is called off by our next contestant on the price is right, Christian? As Sun and Frank wander around, I couldn’t help but make the connection of the Dharma Processing Center orange wall with the Jungle 6 time jumping, and Juliet looking at the wall and saying, Thank God we are in this time period before jumping immediately again. This was the same wall. A light comes on, and a man appears. But it’s no ordinary man. It’s Christian Shepherd, making an appearance, but this is not Jacob’s Cabin. And it makes his appearances less special if he is going to reveal himself to Frank and that evil Sun. I’m looking for Jin. Follow me. If I’m in that situation, I would probably think twice about walking into an old, dirty, unlit building, but nobody is ever going to call Frank or Sun smart. So Shaggy and Scooby Doo follow Christian.

 

Christian is searching for a photo. It’s as if Dharma just sort of disappeared, and the Others never moved in. Let’s face it, if you killed all these folks in a purge, would you keep their photos hanging up? Well, Christian confirmed the 1977 Dharma recruitment class contained Sun’s friends from the plane. Christian mentions a long journey ahead for Sun. Now, here is the thing. If Sun reunites with Jin, will it happen through the wheel in the Orchid. Will it happen with Desmond’s help, since he is special. And if Sun and Jin reunite at some point….hmmmm. Could this huge upcoming battle not be Ben vs. Widmore or something like that. How about Dharma vs. Hostiles. Locke and Richard vs. Horace and Sawyer. I don’t know how Ben fits in. Yet. But that would be fascinating. What if Ben doesn’t lead a purge? What if the Losties in the past have an effect on him where he doesn’t become an evil genius and Dharma survives. How would that have played out on the island? Probably with a Jughead detonation. The last scene of Lost is a mushroom cloud, and nobody outside the island’s little bubble ever sees it. Anyway, Sayid is escorted to jail, while he sees Jack, Hurley, and Kate about to have some burgers and punch. Yeah, life is a kick in the groin. Jack goes to look for Sawyer’s house, and is scolded by Paul not to call him James. Geez, these people are walking on eggshells around Sawyer. Juliet answers the door, and tells him Yep, it’s the right house. Jack didn’t see that one coming, Sawyer with Juliet. Sawyer sets aside his book, looking quite regal sitting on his living room throne. Concerning Sayid, Sawyer says he had no choice and refers to Dharma as “my people”. Ah, quite interesting here. Remember how Locke didn’t shoot at the Other (who ended up being Widmore) earlier this season because he was one of “my people”? Same thing with Sawyer here. Here is the moral conundrum. Do you put your loyalty into the people you’ve been living with for 3 years, including the people you time jumped with, including your live in girlfriend. OR do you have more loyalty to people you knew for 3 months, including a girl that playing kickball with your heart, folks that you haven‘t seen for 3 years? Yet, Sawyer kept looking for any survivors, any of these people. Was it loyalty to Locke saving their lives? Was it for Kate if she came back? But it must be nice to be on the island with knowledge of the future to guide your decisions as well. Sawyer points out he improvised, Sayid is safe. He likes to read like Churchill since it makes him think, something Jack never did. Jack always reacted. A lot of people died. I mean, Sawyer is really laying into Jack at this point, and Jack is simply a defeated person. He is simply along for the ride, taking a backseat to everybody. It’s not an accident I’ve temporarily discontinued the Jack sucks moments of the week, mostly because right now, Jack is a background character. How about that? Can you imagine this, based on watching Seasons 1-4? This is the complete opposite of when Jack dressed down Locke in the hospital after the car accident. Of course, a lot of people died that followed Locke, but let’s not quibble over details? Right? Let’s face it, Sawyer came off a bit pompous and egotistical. Probably because Jack had the opportunity to play Hide the Pickle with Kate for 3 years. Not that Sawyer was spending his nights alone by shacking up with Juliet. But this Kate issue is unfortunately not going away, and the responsible thing for the writers to do is to have Kate tied up in the boat house, stick a grenade in her mouth, pull the pin, and walk away. I bet you hear an explosion in less than 5 minutes as that girl won’t shut up. Jack!!!! Sawyer!!!!! Fight over me!!!!!! I have to be the center of attention!!!!!!!! BOOM!!!!!!!! Jack with a feeble “I got us off this island”. Um, Jack, remember that there were 48 original survivors. And that isn’t counting the Tailies. And how many people got off the island? Six? One of them wasn’t even an original passenger (Aaron). Jack, bubby, you aren’t exactly hitting a high percentage there. Plus, if Sawyer doesn’t jump off the helicopter, you go down in the ocean near a soon to explode freighter. How the fock do you brag about getting your best friends on the island rescued, while you left every body else to die. Juliet wanted off the island, but she kept letting other people go before her on the raft. That is an unselfish act. You jumped on the first chopper you could to get out while the getting was good. Jack, go pound sand. And the ones you rescued weren’t exactly having a fun time in the real world. Sawyer points out Yet here you are back. Exactly. Sawyer points out he saved Jack’s ass today, and he will do the same for Sayid. Yikes. Really, really egotistical. While it’s true Jack used to be the same type of goon leader, you don’t want to see Sawyer become the same monster. Plus, I’m not so sure how much Sawyer wants to save Sayid. Sayid and Jack conspired to torture Sawyer when they couldn’t find Shannon’s inhaler back in Season 1. Bamboo. Fingernails. This is a unique spot for Sawyer to get revenge. While I doubt he will do this, it might be a thought bouncing around the back of his head. Sawyer even points out Jack looks relieved that he is no longer a leader. What a brutal beat down. This was more cringe inducing than watching D!ck Clark wish in the New Year by drooling on a microphone. More horrifying was Sawyer waving to Kate after Jack left. Yuck. It doesn’t matter how good life is for Sawyer. Ugh. All these characters on this show suck. I guess that is part of the appeal. I spend an hour each Wednesday watching, the next week complaining how much these imbeciles p!ss me off. It’s a terrific show with great writing and pacing. But can we make the characters less douchey. Please. It’s slowly turning into an MTV reality show. Where was I? Oh, a creepy looking young kid brings some food to Sayid. Turns out this kid is young Ben. Now, did I mention this kid was creepy. We’re talking Children of the Corn meets the Exorcist. Seriously creepy. I used to think that fidget in Jerry Maguire was the scariest looking monster I’d even seen, but young Ben would give him a run for his money. So, the main question at this point is whether this meeting with Sayid is before or after young Ben met Richard in the jungle. If it is before, Sayid might play a hand at keeping Ben from purging, by never meeting Richard, and Dharma lives on. If this is after Ben met the Others, this might be his curiosity in conversing with someone that piqued his interest into what he wants to become. A bonding situation. Either way, Sayid becomes a huge influence on Ben. And whatever happened, doesn’t necessarily happen.

[Me_2006 14]

Off topic, but where the fock have you been Phillybear?

[Voltaire 5,317]

Things aren't necessarily wrong with Daniel's theory. The Dharma barracks are overgrown because they have been abandoned for three years. The boats will wsoone be moved by the Ajira people, probably because Locke will show them the original camp and the water supply.

 

Why the Dharma recruitment classes are still on the Dharma barrracks walls, now that is a good question.

[IAMWood 6]

5.9 Namaste

 

 

 

We begin on the Ajira plane, with the co-pilot recognizing Hurley as a celebrity. I had to ask myself, with Frank knowing that the plane was going back to the island, and that the original plane crash killed a bunch of people, how could Frank consciously keep the plane on course towards the island. Change course settings, you selfish mook. Sure, Frank is a fantastic pilot, but if one of your main jobs is to protect your passengers, how can you make the decision to sacrifice lives to do a favor for Jack and Hurley. Weak, dude.

 

For all he knew that changing course would lead them to the island, my guess is his deep thought was a reflection of helplessness, knowing what was coming no matter what he did and getting himself mentally prepared while listening to the small talk babble of his co-pilot. It really wasn't his choice.

 

[kutulu 1,680]

This was more cringe inducing than watching D!ck Clark wish in the New Year by drooling on a microphone.

 

[The Next Generation 10]

Question: How come Jack's name was on the original list of new recruits but Kate's was on the "revised" list that Juliet brought in?

 

Remember when Juliet was talking to Amy, she said there were 2 spots open because 2 recruits backed-out or something. That means that Hurley and Kate got added onto the "revised" list and Jack was always on the original list.

[Lackman 0]

Question: How come Jack's name was on the original list of new recruits but Kate's was on the "revised" list that Juliet brought in?

 

Remember when Juliet was talking to Amy, she said there were 2 spots open because 2 recruits backed-out or something. That means that Hurley and Kate got added onto the "revised" list and Jack was always on the original list.

 

I think your math is off. If there were two open spots, Jack and Hurley took them, and Kate as the third new person was a late addition on a revised list.

[kutulu 1,680]

a side order of Julliete's boobies every episode !

 

linky

[The Next Generation 10]

I think your math is off. If there were two open spots, Jack and Hurley took them, and Kate as the third new person was a late addition on a revised list.

 

But Juliette said their were added names on the "revised" list. Names, plural. We never saw Hurley get processed, so we don't know.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Things aren't necessarily wrong with Daniel's theory. The Dharma barracks are overgrown because they have been abandoned for three years. The boats will wsoone be moved by the Ajira people, probably because Locke will show them the original camp and the water supply.

 

Why the Dharma recruitment classes are still on the Dharma barrracks walls, now that is a good question.

 

Not just abandoned...but the mercenaries blew a few of the barracks up pretty well...and ol smokey was wreaking havoc on the mercenaries in there.

 

The numbers thing is interesting though.