LOST Season Five Thread

[phillybear 366]

Dr. Chang's baby might be Miles, sure, but could also be Jin.

 

Since Daniel is around during Dharma time, he knows what's up, he may aid some children he knows are supposed to escape the purge. Chang's son and Charlotte perhaps who hasn't gotten nose bleeds since she was little.

 

Dharma has many missions, time travel being one of them.

 

I wsa under the impression that Rose was at the church when the church and the rest of the camp disappeared.

 

Every time Locke goes near Yemi's plane, something focked up happening to his leg and he can't walk. Maybe it's a weak spot in the island magic that masks his paralysis or some memory or such of being shot there being replayed out every time he goes.

 

Ethan is an island newbie when he shoots Locke, he's (we've) no idea what he's doing. Richard feels like an old, old, very old hand at all things island related.

 

Sun didn't have enough money to pay Jin's mother's bribe, yet somehow she had enough to buy out her father's company. She didn't get it from Widmore because we saw when she first met Widmore. She must have gotten it from Ben (Hurley is possible too I guess). Ben still has access to tons of cash- Sayid rented a whole country club to himself for a round of golf.

 

"Waht goes around comes around" shouldn't confuse you, getting shot by Charlie is how Ethan dies. This actor gets about 2 episodes a season, I don't know how they worked his contract. I don't remember Richard visiting Ben as a kid and giving him the same test as Locke.

 

Daniel's mother could be Karen Degroot or the ring shop lady that told to Desmond he wasn't supposed to marry Penny.

 

Jin is probably too old to be Chang's kid, as Miles is younger and a more likely candidate. Plus, we met Jin's father, the poor fisherman early in the series, along with his prostitute mother. I think they are his real parents.

 

I don't think Daniel is going to be able to help anyone because you can't change what happened, unless Desmond is the catalyst.

 

I rewound it a few times. Rose said she was coming from the church, not where the church used to be.

 

It think it's the island protecting Locke rather than a weak spot. Plus, Locke was actually doing a nice job climbling until he got shot.

 

Ethan has been a part of the brain trust for quite some time. He ran off to join the Losties during the Oceanic crash. He was in the episode where the Others were recruiting Juliet. And he has to, has to know Ben Linus. When you have some guy in the jungle babbling Ben's name, maybe you need to tell Ben about it, rather than shooting him.

 

Sun told her father that she got a huge settlement from the plane company, and bought controlling share of the company. Maybe she got two settlements, including one for Jin. Maybe a third for her baby. Sayid didn't rent out the country club. He simply waited for a day when the club would be deserted, most likely a weekday morning, one that coincided with his intended target's tee time.

 

Ethan shot Locke, but Charlie shot Ethan. What goes around comes around would be fitting if Ethan shot Charlie. Hence, my dislike of the phrase at that point. I may have made a mistake. Richard visited Locke, not Ben. Typo. I need to go back and fix it.

 

Yes, Daniel's mother is Mrs Hawking, the ring shop lady.

[phillybear 366]

How much could that be though? It takes a fortune to pull a successfully corporate on Paik industries. You don't see Kate living so large and she must have gotten twice as much.

 

It depends on how the stock is structured, and how much was needed to get controlling interest. It's not a large company based in Korea. It's not like buying controlling interest in IBM or something like that. Maybe 150 grand would do the trick. Maybe 10 million. It's hard to say.

[Voltaire 5,316]

Jin is probably too old to be Chang's kid, as Miles is younger and a more likely candidate. Plus, we met Jin's father, the poor fisherman early in the series, along with his prostitute mother. I think they are his real parents.

 

Jin was adopted by the fisherman.

[jets24 6]

Dr. Chang's baby might be Miles, sure, but could also be Jin.

 

Since Daniel is around during Dharma time, he knows what's up, he may aid some children he knows are supposed to escape the purge. Chang's son and Charlotte perhaps who hasn't gotten nose bleeds since she was little.

 

Dharma has many missions, time travel being one of them.

 

I wsa under the impression that Rose was at the church when the church and the rest of the camp disappeared.

 

Every time Locke goes near Yemi's plane, something focked up happening to his leg and he can't walk. Maybe it's a weak spot in the island magic that masks his paralysis or some memory or such of being shot there being replayed out every time he goes.

 

Ethan is an island newbie when he shoots Locke, he's (we've) no idea what he's doing. Richard feels like an old, old, very old hand at all things island related.

 

Sun didn't have enough money to pay Jin's mother's bribe, yet somehow she had enough to buy out her father's company. She didn't get it from Widmore because we saw when she first met Widmore. She must have gotten it from Ben (Hurley is possible too I guess). Ben still has access to tons of cash- Sayid rented a whole country club to himself for a round of golf.

 

"Waht goes around comes around" shouldn't confuse you, getting shot by Charlie is how Ethan dies. This actor gets about 2 episodes a season, I don't know how they worked his contract. I don't remember Richard visiting Ben as a kid and giving him the same test as Locke.

 

Daniel's mother could be Karen Degroot or the ring shop lady that told to Desmond he wasn't supposed to marry Penny.

 

Philly light....

[Sho Nuff 720]

While on another board discussing Lost, someone posted this clip from season one...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-ChsNZQ6_Q

 

Look at what Jack is wearing. Not so much what the tie looks like close up, but as they pan out.

Then watch Wednesday night's episode again and the suit and tie he is wearing when he says "lets go get them".

 

It might be their point to make them look similar...or are they the same?

[The Hood 9]

Jin was adopted by the fisherman.

It was never determined whether he was Jin's biological father or not but he was said to have raised him after Jin's mother left them when Jin was an infant. Don't see how some random wh0re could have so quickly ended up with the Chang's baby from the island to some tiny village in Korea.

[FeelingMN 273]

During the initial time warp, we were shown three groups: Locke/The Others who were separated. Makes sense, they hadn't known each other at the point in time the Island travleled to. Fine. Rose/Bernie. I assume they were together before the warp, but couldn't find each other immediately after. No biggie I guess, unless you consider James/Juliet. Together before and after despite not knowing each other when the island returned to an earlier time.

 

Is this inconsistent in some way? All three groups together before, one completely separated/one partially separated/one intact after the time warp. Two groups knew their company at the time of the warp while not knowing them earlier on the island. Why is Juliet/James the exception to this? Why wouldn't Juliet be with the Others, or off by herself as Locke is?

[cribdog 0]

During the initial time warp, we were shown three groups: Locke/The Others who were separated. Makes sense, they hadn't known each other at the point in time the Island travleled to. Fine. Rose/Bernie. I assume they were together before the warp, but couldn't find each other immediately after. No biggie I guess, unless you consider James/Juliet. Together before and after despite not knowing each other when the island returned to an earlier time.

 

Is this inconsistent in some way? All three groups together before, one completely separated/one partially separated/one intact after the time warp. Two groups knew their company at the time of the warp while not knowing them earlier on the island. Why is Juliet/James the exception to this? Why wouldn't Juliet be with the Others, or off by herself as Locke is?

 

Maybe it is because she wasn't born on the island?

[phillybear 366]

5.02 The Lie

 

I’m not going to spend much time dwelling on the first episode writeup. If I re-read it, I will finally be convinced that I am in desperate need of therapy. But I will point out a typo. It was Locke who Richard visited in the foster home during last season, not Ben. But I’m sure you know what I meant. Oddly enough, this episode was more of a narrative tale, with not a lot of room for speculation.

 

On Penny’s boat, the Oceanic 6 along with Frank and Penny are hatching the outline of the lie of their rescue. Hurley is reluctant to lie. Penny confirms that she can’t keep her father from stopping his plans. Hurley insists that if they all stick together, they can make the world believe that the island disappear. Hurley is outvoted. It must be nice to go through life stupid. Yeah, the island disappeared, and people will believe it. Are you out of your mind? Hurley is chaperoning a comatose Sayid through Los Angeles. His anxiety leads to bad driving and a cop car pulls him over. Hey, it’s the Tailies AnaLucia from Hurley‘s imagination, or maybe an manifestation by the island again. Here’s a thought. Maybe when the smoke monster scans your head, it implants different scenarios inside your head, to be triggered when necessary. So the monster could have implanted Libby into Michael’s head, Charlie and AnaLucia and Dave into Hurley’s head, Christian into Jack’s head, the black horse into Kate’s head, etc. Anyway, I was surprised to see her, after reading the stories of the drunk driving charges and being written out of the show. The key here is that Ana Lucia said “And don’t get arrested. Libby says Hi!!” Now, the Libby line was to distract the audience, but don’t forget the don’t get arrested part. It’s foreshadowing the future, but Hurley completely forgets this advice.

 

The Lefties are trying to make fire on the island. Sadly, none of them ever watched Survivorman or Man vs. Wild on Discovery. Neil “Frogurt“, a background character who is getting screen time and we find out his name, continues to annoy everybody around him. It that isn’t a recipe for a plot device of an impending death, you’ve forgotten all about Nikki and Paulo already. Juliet is getting some supplies ready, thinking that we can take supplies with us when we move again. Which begs the question, why exactly are Juliet, Sawyer, and Daniel, three people who arrived on the island at three different points in time, moving at the same time to the same time, but Richard isn’t. Is it proximity? Because Locke moved in time too, but we can’t be totally sure he moved to the same exact time as the Lefties, well until the jump at the end of the episode. Also, why isn’t Juliet not moving, along with Richard and apparently the Others. What are the rules for time traveling here exactly? I need answers, dammit. Daniel was gone 2 hours, visiting with Desmond. That is a hell of a long time, which nobody really vociferously questions other than a cursory question from Sawyer. Daniel explains that they can’t use the Zodiac raft to escape and that he has to recalculate a new island bearing in time? How can he? He figured out the bearings the first time, when the freighter arrived, but with the island lost in time, how can you figure out any of that stuff. OK, that one I don’t understand. The Lefties continue to rebuild the camp. Hurley walks into a convenience store, and seems to take a liking to Shih-Tzu pictures on a bright yellow shirt. No, not conspicuous at all. The cashier recognizes him from the lottery and Oceanic 6, but not from a triple homicide which is playing right behind her on the TV. Obviously one of our nation’s finest. Kate pulls into the same gas station as Hurley is leaving, which again reminds us how interconnected all these characters are. She is about to call Jack, but instead gets a call from a friend that is currently in Los Angeles. Yeah, we all know it’s Sun. Ben flushes Jack’s pills down the toilet. Jack needs to go home and pack as he is never coming back to this world. So now we know that the Oceanic 6 going back is forever. I wonder how this affects Sun and her child Ji Yeon. Would she be leaving behind her kid? The kid was conceived on the island, so maybe she needs to go back too. Hurley’s father makes himself a sammich and sits down to watch Nikki on her TV show Expose. Hurley and unconscious Sayid pay a visit. Here is a question. If Hurley supposedly killed 3 people, and the cops are looking for him, and his picture is all over the TV, how do you not have a stakeout at his house? The mind reels.

 

Hurley is trying to explain to his father he is in danger. Finally, the cops come by. One of those “cops” look a lot like Mr Abaddon from last season, who visited Hurley and Locke in hospitals, put together Naomi’s mission, and is currently on the show Fringe. It sure looked a lot like him, but I could be wrong. Hurley is unable to tell his father who is after him, because he doesn’t even know that. Kate visits Sun in a hotel. Ben arrives in a butcher shop, and takes ticket 342.Get it? 42. He has a conversation with the butcher Jillian. I have something in the van. Is it what I think it is? Ben inquires about Jeffrey and Gabriel checking in yet. Well, looks like Ben has a network of people working for him outside the island world, and why not, since we saw the video shot of Charles Widmore last season, as filmed by one of Ben’s operatives off the island. Everything is moving on schedule. Ben shows a bit of compassion over a joke made about Jack’s pill popping. So, Ben and his people continue to know a lot about the Losties, even off the island. Their researching abilities are quite impressive. However, since Ben is planning this whole elaborate scheme to get the Oceanic 6 back to the island, I suppose he views it as his only chance of going back too, as the island becomes grateful for his service and allows Ben safe passage. Maybe. However, you have to look at the big picture. You get a bunch of people who were supposedly stranded on a dangerous island for the rest of their lives, then a few miraculously escape and return to initially great lives. You are Ben, and now have to convince or manipulate these same people to go back to the island of the smoke monster and invading Widmore mercenaries with the fresh stentch of death permeating the air. Certainly, not an easy task. Things start to go south for the Oceanic 6, and you have to wonder if Ben is pushing these events along. Like the lawyers at Kate’s house. Vincent is still around, as we see him on the beach. That dog must have some stories to tell about the island; if only he could talk. Charlotte complains to Daniel about headaches and loss of memory. Yeah, she will die, and soon. Miles finds a recently deceased boar, showing a particular usefulness. I want to know what thoughts are bouncing around Miles’ head, as this island must be a hell of place to be when you can hear the dead. Neil Frogurt throws a monumental hissy fit “We can’t even start a fire” just as a flaming arrow pierces his chest. Good. Now, run.

 

The flaming arrow attack continues on the 300 Spartans. People are dying. Which begs the question. Since this seems to be the past, and Lefties are dying in the past, did they exist in the future. Well, whatever happened, happens. But this is certainly a paradox. And how many Lefties are there? There must be 35 to 40 people running, and a bunch of them have died, including at the Barracks, the freighter, regular characters over the last few season, been kidnapped by the Others, shot, drowned, subtract the Oceanic 6, etc. We started with 48, and it’s like all 48 are still there, if not more. This has to be a mistake by the producers. Sawyer is starting to take a liking to Juliet, as he drags her off into the jungle to keep her from being killed. I wonder how far in the past this is? Being that flaming arrows really aren't a modern day weapon. But it sure is effective against unarmed people. The attackers never gave them a chance to surrender. It was just kill, kill, kill. The cops finally show up at Hurley’s house. Hurley’s father is making it clear that he doesn’t trust his son. Kate is with Sun. Sun is showing off her baby pictures. Oddly, she is jet setting around the world, while her kid is at home. I wonder if her lust for revenge is overpowering her maternal instincts. A kind of madness. Lawyers came to see me, and Sun is curious about who they represent. Being that Sun only recently told Widmore about wanting Ben dead, and that the lawyers flushed out Kate before Sun ever called, I have to think at this point that Ben sent the lawyers. Sun and Kate remember back to the freighter, as Kate was going back for Jin, but Jack stopped her and they left Jin behind. “We all would have died instead of just Jin, my husband. I don’t blame you.” Bullsh!t. Sun blames all of them. And the way she said “just Jin”. Sun looked completely like a reptile, trying to hypnotize her prey with unblinking yet intense stare, as she uncoils her self, and ever so slowly wraps herself around her prey, until she gently squeezes the life out of it, a demented boa constrictor. Sun is a monster. I was onto it a while ago, and it is becoming obvious to everybody else now, I suppose. So, how’s Jack? Yeah, because you want to kill Kate and Jack at the same time. And Jin might not be dead after all. During the preview show, the two executive producers said that the freighter explosion caused the apparent death of Jin. Jin is not a confirmed death. Which I mentioned in preview #1. Jack takes Sayid off of Hurleys father’s hands. Stay away from Hurley. Jack calls Ben, and it’s off to the hospital.

 

Hurley is talking with his mother, and gives her a rundown of all the craziness that is the show LOST. Listening to the story, you realize that you have to be insane to buy into all of this. Yes, all of us viewers are foaming at the mouth. In a touching moment, Hurley’s mother tells him that she doesn’t understand it, but that she believes him. So between the Sayid help and the belief in his story, Hurley’s parents show great patience with their troubled son. And don’t have to. I mean what has Hurley ever done but be a lot of grief and aggravation. Other than the 150 million he gave his parents. But other than that, what else has he done? A lot of people died. Yeah, I get it. And stop your fake crying and get on with the next scene. I’m starting to get annoyed with Hurley. Sigh. Sawyer and Juliet are in the jungle, and see some strangers walk by, and then get captured a moment later. A guy with a name tag Jones yells at Juliet about what they are doing on their island. They seem like soldiers from the early 1900’s.

 

As Jack is trying to revive Sayid, he wakes up and starts to choke Jack. And I was rooting him on. Yeah, I guess I didn’t have a “Jack Sucks Moment OF The Week“, but he is just a background character with not much to do at this point, and the award has to be earned. Maybe we will start one for another character. I dumped on a bunch of other characters, so I’m running out of rage. Hurley cooks a hot pocket, turns around, and heaves it a spot on the wall a little to the right of Ben. While Hurley looks a bit like CC Sabathia or David Wells, his location is a bit off. No, you’re playing mind games. And ignoring AnaLucia’s words earlier in the episode, turns himself over to the cops. Ben is unhappy, as am I. This is our first Hurley Sucks Moment of the Week. Hurley is now a moron, trying to get our sympathy. You want to see a real mental patient? Watch Fringe and the character Walter. Hurley is a fake crazy guy, someone who doesn’t want to deal with real life, and tends to retreat into an easier solution than making hard decisions; just act crazy. Just like when the deck collapsed and he got all depressed. Instead of dealing with the situation, he ended up comatose and in the nut hut. You just want to grab him by the neck, um, shoulders and shake him like a baby that won’t stop crying on a nonstop 16 hour flight to Asia. Stop it. Just stop it. You faker looking for an easy way out. On the island, Juliet is about to lose an arm. Well, a second arm, because the first arm is non-negotiable since the soldiers mean business. Violence breaks out, and Locke strolls out of the jungle to collect his knife. Well, the Lefties are all together now. We see a hooded figure writing formulas on a chalk board, reminiscent of Daniel at Oxford from last season. She has all sorts of weird equipment and is working on crunching numbers like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, but better. Yes, this is Ms Hawkings from seasons past, the lady who told Desmond that he could not get married to Penny, tried to explain to him that he was special and needed to go to the island, and that the universe has a way of course correcting. Here is a thought. What if Desmond followed Daniel’s instruction, found his mother, assuming it’s Ms Hawkings, and Desmond told her that she needed to warn the past Desmond that he could not marry Penny because Desmond wanted Desmond to arrive at the island. The problem is that Desmond is now 3 years off the island, but I wonder is somehow Ms Hawkings can send Desmond to the past to warn the past Ms Hawkings to warn the future Desmond as per the future Desmond instructions. Got all that? Nope. That’s OK. That’s how this season will be.Ms Hawkings warns Ben he only has 70 hours to return everybody to the island. You know how you hear people that talk about a handful of people run the world. Well, if this isn't proof, I don't know what is. It's possible that Ms Hawkings knows about Desmond before Desmond was even born. The hooded robe she is wearing reminds me of the monk of the monestary that Desmond briefly joined, and if you recall, there was a picture on the desk of the head monk and Ms Hawkings together. For a while, I thought that when the Oceanic 6 would return, the island would re-boot, if you will, and go back to the first show of the series, Jack lying in the jungle, the plane on the beach, people running around. Groundhog Day, a time loop bookmark. But if they return by the end of this season, what happens Season 6? When are they in time? Do they relive their experiences on the island with knowledge of the future? Might be too early to speculate.

 

I’m tired of typing. That’s it.

[Voltaire 5,316]

Are you out of your mind?

 

Considering Hurley spends most of his pre/post island time in a loony bin, I can't be sure if that's a rhetorical quiestion or not.

[jets24 6]

5.02 The Lie

 

I’m not going to spend much time dwelling on the first episode writeup. If I re-read it, I will finally be convinced that I am in desperate need of therapy. But I will point out a typo. It was Locke who Richard visited in the foster home during last season, not Ben. But I’m sure you know what I meant. Oddly enough, this episode was more of a narrative tale, with not a lot of room for speculation.

 

On Penny’s boat, the Oceanic 6 along with Frank and Penny are hatching the outline of the lie of their rescue. Hurley is reluctant to lie. Penny confirms that she can’t keep her father from stopping his plans. Hurley insists that if they all stick together, they can make the world believe that the island disappear. Hurley is outvoted. It must be nice to go through life stupid. Yeah, the island disappeared, and people will believe it. Are you out of your mind? Hurley is chaperoning a comatose Sayid through Los Angeles. His anxiety leads to bad driving and a cop car pulls him over. Hey, it’s the Tailies AnaLucia from Hurley‘s imagination, or maybe an manifestation by the island again. Here’s a thought. Maybe when the smoke monster scans your head, it implants different scenarios inside your head, to be triggered when necessary. So the monster could have implanted Libby into Michael’s head, Charlie and AnaLucia and Dave into Hurley’s head, Christian into Jack’s head, the black horse into Kate’s head, etc. Anyway, I was surprised to see her, after reading the stories of the drunk driving charges and being written out of the show. The key here is that Ana Lucia said “And don’t get arrested. Libby says Hi!!” Now, the Libby line was to distract the audience, but don’t forget the don’t get arrested part. It’s foreshadowing the future, but Hurley completely forgets this advice.

 

The Lefties are trying to make fire on the island. Sadly, none of them ever watched Survivorman or Man vs. Wild on Discovery. Neil “Frogurt“, a background character who is getting screen time and we find out his name, continues to annoy everybody around him. It that isn’t a recipe for a plot device of an impending death, you’ve forgotten all about Nikki and Paulo already. Juliet is getting some supplies ready, thinking that we can take supplies with us when we move again. Which begs the question, why exactly are Juliet, Sawyer, and Daniel, three people who arrived on the island at three different points in time, moving at the same time to the same time, but Richard isn’t. Is it proximity? Because Locke moved in time too, but we can’t be totally sure he moved to the same exact time as the Lefties, well until the jump at the end of the episode. Also, why isn’t Juliet not moving, along with Richard and apparently the Others. What are the rules for time traveling here exactly? I need answers, dammit. Daniel was gone 2 hours, visiting with Desmond. That is a hell of a long time, which nobody really vociferously questions other than a cursory question from Sawyer. Daniel explains that they can’t use the Zodiac raft to escape and that he has to recalculate a new island bearing in time? How can he? He figured out the bearings the first time, when the freighter arrived, but with the island lost in time, how can you figure out any of that stuff. OK, that one I don’t understand. The Lefties continue to rebuild the camp. Hurley walks into a convenience store, and seems to take a liking to Shih-Tzu pictures on a bright yellow shirt. No, not conspicuous at all. The cashier recognizes him from the lottery and Oceanic 6, but not from a triple homicide which is playing right behind her on the TV. Obviously one of our nation’s finest. Kate pulls into the same gas station as Hurley is leaving, which again reminds us how interconnected all these characters are. She is about to call Jack, but instead gets a call from a friend that is currently in Los Angeles. Yeah, we all know it’s Sun. Ben flushes Jack’s pills down the toilet. Jack needs to go home and pack as he is never coming back to this world. So now we know that the Oceanic 6 going back is forever. I wonder how this affects Sun and her child Ji Yeon. Would she be leaving behind her kid? The kid was conceived on the island, so maybe she needs to go back too. Hurley’s father makes himself a sammich and sits down to watch Nikki on her TV show Expose. Hurley and unconscious Sayid pay a visit. Here is a question. If Hurley supposedly killed 3 people, and the cops are looking for him, and his picture is all over the TV, how do you not have a stakeout at his house? The mind reels.

 

Hurley is trying to explain to his father he is in danger. Finally, the cops come by. One of those “cops” look a lot like Mr Abaddon from last season, who visited Hurley and Locke in hospitals, put together Naomi’s mission, and is currently on the show Fringe. It sure looked a lot like him, but I could be wrong. Hurley is unable to tell his father who is after him, because he doesn’t even know that. Kate visits Sun in a hotel. Ben arrives in a butcher shop, and takes ticket 342.Get it? 42. He has a conversation with the butcher Jillian. I have something in the van. Is it what I think it is? Ben inquires about Jeffrey and Gabriel checking in yet. Well, looks like Ben has a network of people working for him outside the island world, and why not, since we saw the video shot of Charles Widmore last season, as filmed by one of Ben’s operatives off the island. Everything is moving on schedule. Ben shows a bit of compassion over a joke made about Jack’s pill popping. So, Ben and his people continue to know a lot about the Losties, even off the island. Their researching abilities are quite impressive. However, since Ben is planning this whole elaborate scheme to get the Oceanic 6 back to the island, I suppose he views it as his only chance of going back too, as the island becomes grateful for his service and allows Ben safe passage. Maybe. However, you have to look at the big picture. You get a bunch of people who were supposedly stranded on a dangerous island for the rest of their lives, then a few miraculously escape and return to initially great lives. You are Ben, and now have to convince or manipulate these same people to go back to the island of the smoke monster and invading Widmore mercenaries with the fresh stentch of death permeating the air. Certainly, not an easy task. Things start to go south for the Oceanic 6, and you have to wonder if Ben is pushing these events along. Like the lawyers at Kate’s house. Vincent is still around, as we see him on the beach. That dog must have some stories to tell about the island; if only he could talk. Charlotte complains to Daniel about headaches and loss of memory. Yeah, she will die, and soon. Miles finds a recently deceased boar, showing a particular usefulness. I want to know what thoughts are bouncing around Miles’ head, as this island must be a hell of place to be when you can hear the dead. Neil Frogurt throws a monumental hissy fit “We can’t even start a fire” just as a flaming arrow pierces his chest. Good. Now, run.

 

The flaming arrow attack continues on the 300 Spartans. People are dying. Which begs the question. Since this seems to be the past, and Lefties are dying in the past, did they exist in the future. Well, whatever happened, happens. But this is certainly a paradox. And how many Lefties are there? There must be 35 to 40 people running, and a bunch of them have died, including at the Barracks, the freighter, regular characters over the last few season, been kidnapped by the Others, shot, drowned, subtract the Oceanic 6, etc. We started with 48, and it’s like all 48 are still there, if not more. This has to be a mistake by the producers. Sawyer is starting to take a liking to Juliet, as he drags her off into the jungle to keep her from being killed. I wonder how far in the past this is? Being that flaming arrows really aren't a modern day weapon. But it sure is effective against unarmed people. The attackers never gave them a chance to surrender. It was just kill, kill, kill. The cops finally show up at Hurley’s house. Hurley’s father is making it clear that he doesn’t trust his son. Kate is with Sun. Sun is showing off her baby pictures. Oddly, she is jet setting around the world, while her kid is at home. I wonder if her lust for revenge is overpowering her maternal instincts. A kind of madness. Lawyers came to see me, and Sun is curious about who they represent. Being that Sun only recently told Widmore about wanting Ben dead, and that the lawyers flushed out Kate before Sun ever called, I have to think at this point that Ben sent the lawyers. Sun and Kate remember back to the freighter, as Kate was going back for Jin, but Jack stopped her and they left Jin behind. “We all would have died instead of just Jin, my husband. I don’t blame you.” Bullsh!t. Sun blames all of them. And the way she said “just Jin”. Sun looked completely like a reptile, trying to hypnotize her prey with unblinking yet intense stare, as she uncoils her self, and ever so slowly wraps herself around her prey, until she gently squeezes the life out of it, a demented boa constrictor. Sun is a monster. I was onto it a while ago, and it is becoming obvious to everybody else now, I suppose. So, how’s Jack? Yeah, because you want to kill Kate and Jack at the same time. And Jin might not be dead after all. During the preview show, the two executive producers said that the freighter explosion caused the apparent death of Jin. Jin is not a confirmed death. Which I mentioned in preview #1. Jack takes Sayid off of Hurleys father’s hands. Stay away from Hurley. Jack calls Ben, and it’s off to the hospital.

 

Hurley is talking with his mother, and gives her a rundown of all the craziness that is the show LOST. Listening to the story, you realize that you have to be insane to buy into all of this. Yes, all of us viewers are foaming at the mouth. In a touching moment, Hurley’s mother tells him that she doesn’t understand it, but that she believes him. So between the Sayid help and the belief in his story, Hurley’s parents show great patience with their troubled son. And don’t have to. I mean what has Hurley ever done but be a lot of grief and aggravation. Other than the 150 million he gave his parents. But other than that, what else has he done? A lot of people died. Yeah, I get it. And stop your fake crying and get on with the next scene. I’m starting to get annoyed with Hurley. Sigh. Sawyer and Juliet are in the jungle, and see some strangers walk by, and then get captured a moment later. A guy with a name tag Jones yells at Juliet about what they are doing on their island. They seem like soldiers from the early 1900’s.

 

As Jack is trying to revive Sayid, he wakes up and starts to choke Jack. And I was rooting him on. Yeah, I guess I didn’t have a “Jack Sucks Moment OF The Week“, but he is just a background character with not much to do at this point, and the award has to be earned. Maybe we will start one for another character. I dumped on a bunch of other characters, so I’m running out of rage. Hurley cooks a hot pocket, turns around, and heaves it a spot on the wall a little to the right of Ben. While Hurley looks a bit like CC Sabathia or David Wells, his location is a bit off. No, you’re playing mind games. And ignoring AnaLucia’s words earlier in the episode, turns himself over to the cops. Ben is unhappy, as am I. This is our first Hurley Sucks Moment of the Week. Hurley is now a moron, trying to get our sympathy. You want to see a real mental patient? Watch Fringe and the character Walter. Hurley is a fake crazy guy, someone who doesn’t want to deal with real life, and tends to retreat into an easier solution than making hard decisions; just act crazy. Just like when the deck collapsed and he got all depressed. Instead of dealing with the situation, he ended up comatose and in the nut hut. You just want to grab him by the neck, um, shoulders and shake him like a baby that won’t stop crying on a nonstop 16 hour flight to Asia. Stop it. Just stop it. You faker looking for an easy way out. On the island, Juliet is about to lose an arm. Well, a second arm, because the first arm is non-negotiable since the soldiers mean business. Violence breaks out, and Locke strolls out of the jungle to collect his knife. Well, the Lefties are all together now. We see a hooded figure writing formulas on a chalk board, reminiscent of Daniel at Oxford from last season. She has all sorts of weird equipment and is working on crunching numbers like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting, but better. Yes, this is Ms Hawkings from seasons past, the lady who told Desmond that he could not get married to Penny, tried to explain to him that he was special and needed to go to the island, and that the universe has a way of course correcting. Here is a thought. What if Desmond followed Daniel’s instruction, found his mother, assuming it’s Ms Hawkings, and Desmond told her that she needed to warn the past Desmond that he could not marry Penny because Desmond wanted Desmond to arrive at the island. The problem is that Desmond is now 3 years off the island, but I wonder is somehow Ms Hawkings can send Desmond to the past to warn the past Ms Hawkings to warn the future Desmond as per the future Desmond instructions. Got all that? Nope. That’s OK. That’s how this season will be.Ms Hawkings warns Ben he only has 70 hours to return everybody to the island. You know how you hear people that talk about a handful of people run the world. Well, if this isn't proof, I don't know what is. It's possible that Ms Hawkings knows about Desmond before Desmond was even born. The hooded robe she is wearing reminds me of the monk of the monestary that Desmond briefly joined, and if you recall, there was a picture on the desk of the head monk and Ms Hawkings together. For a while, I thought that when the Oceanic 6 would return, the island would re-boot, if you will, and go back to the first show of the series, Jack lying in the jungle, the plane on the beach, people running around. Groundhog Day, a time loop bookmark. But if they return by the end of this season, what happens Season 6? When are they in time? Do they relive their experiences on the island with knowledge of the future? Might be too early to speculate.

 

I’m tired of typing. That’s it.

 

Tapping my arm to find a vein......ahhhhhhh........good stuff. Thanks. That will be enough to carry me through to the next episode. Jin is definitely alive, in my opinion.

[Voltaire 5,316]

Jin is definitely alive, in my opinion.

 

Noone is officially dead until they visit Hurley.

[The Moz 69]

episode 5.3 is supposed to be the constant last season -- it is supposedly the episode that will floor you - giving out a lot of answers. Supposedly many surround Mrs. Hawking - who an what she is..

 

If it is like some people have said - need to send paramedics to Phillybears house - I don't think his heart could take that much goodness at once.

[King of Gondor 0]

Hurley cooks a hot pocket, turns around, and heaves it a spot on the wall a little to the right of Ben. While Hurley looks a bit like CC Sabathia or David Wells, his location is a bit off.

 

The bigger question is why is Hurley cooking a hot pocket without that patented crisping sleeve?

 

 

Also I was thinking back of the scenes with Claire yelling at Kate in her dreams "Don't bring him back!", it is easy to assume she is talking about Aaron - but that doesn't make sense since it seems the island needs them all back, and it seems Claire is now part of the island. But Claire never specifically says who "him" is, maybe she isn't referring to Aaron, maybe she is talking about someone else, maybe Ben?

[jets24 6]

I loved the summary hour before the premiere. Hearing those guys speak about what's going on was really interesting.

[King of Gondor 0]

I've read someone else who picked up on that line as well as the one about "Not raising him". In that article the writer theorized

that they were taking about John Locke....raising the dead.

 

well that doesn't make much sense either... isn't he supposed to be an intrical part to the whole thing? friggin confusing! :headexplodes:

[Snoopy1 0]

This is supposed to be one of those "enhanced" episodes.

 

 

What's an enhanced episode??? New footage?

[jets24 6]

What's an enhanced episode??? New footage?

 

It's in 3D. Hurley is like 1,000 lbs and Kate is a 36DD.

[IAMWood 6]

Noone is officially dead until they visit Hurley.

 

That is a dern good point.

 

 

It was good to see Ana Lucia again, in a cop's uniform.

 

[Voltaire 5,316]

Can anybody make sense of the mural in the hatch? I'll admit art apreciation isn't really my specialty, but I did enjoy my prerequisite college class in it.

 

http://www.calendarlive.com/galleriesandmu...0,2295374.photo

 

I'll take the easy one that the boat is surrounded by death.

[IAMWood 6]

What I've read, tonight's episode should be pretty much all the way through. While I was happy to watch last week's two episode's plus the show with the two writers/producers, much of the time they seemed to be trying to refresh the viewers on the history of the show so far. Now that that is done, we should be back in normal LOST stortelling, hopefully. Haven't read any true spoilers, but this week we are supposed to learn more about Widmore, Faraday and Desmond. As I've said previous seasons, Desmond episodes kick ass and Faraday is becoming a central character as well.

 

Faraday doesn't seem so scatter brained now, is it because he hasn't time traveled so much at the point he is at in the last episode or was he pretending when we first met him?

 

[phillybear 366]

Are we ready for some football? A Wednesday night party.

[Voltaire 5,316]

Are we ready for some football? A Wednesday night party.

 

It's on soon is it ... cool 12 hours to go.

[phillybear 366]

I absolutely love that they split up Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles into one group, and Locke, Juliet, Sawyer into another. Two completely points of view in two story lines.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Turns out Widmore used to be on the island.

[Mrdirt73 0]

Was it just some guinea pig that Danny boy focked up doing his experiments.

That's what I gathered.

[The Moz 69]

We saw Widemore and Mrs Hawking in their youth on Island

 

WE know why Richard saw Locke now..

 

One thing evident is Faraday and Penny are brother n sister -- thing is does Penny already know all of this? Is she already in contact with her mother? Hawking was kinda hot back in da day..

[BMoney 0]

god bless evangeline lilly grabbing her boobs twice on Conan tonight

[Vikings4ever 550]

god bless evangeline lilly grabbing her boobs twice on Conan tonight

[itsbigmoni 1]

So charles get kicked off of the island. The chick holding up farraday, goes with him. Widmore has two kids with that chick, farraday and penny. Yes, farraday was getting held up by mrs. hawking/his mom/penny's mom. Done and done.

 

Now we need to know why widmore got kicked off of the island. Two options in my mind. He moved the island to avoid detection or ben had something to do with his ousting.

 

In widmore's office, there was a painting that had a polar bear on it and on the top it said "namaste." Widmore definitely has a role with dharma. Widmore is a cocky mofo, even as a kid. "You think he knows this island better than me?"

 

I just have a few questions to work out in my mind. Did widmore get kicked off, make his riches, and then financed dharma's trip? Did he join forces with dharma(as in they paid him straight cash homey. It could explain how he got so rich.) and let them come to the island?

 

Another theory

 

I think leadership went like this

 

Widmore>Ben>locke

 

Widmore is to ben, what ben is to locke. A transfer of power.

[Vikings4ever 550]

god bless evangeline lilly grabbing her boobs twice on Conan tonight

Linky

 

Site semi-NSFW

[supermike80 1,910]

Conan is a riot.

[supermike80 1,910]

Q: Why does Richard give the compass to Locke?

 

A: If you'll recall from Season 4, there is an episode (Locke's flashback) where Richard visits young Locke and gives him a few different things to identify - one of these things being a compass. Richard tells Locke to show him something that belongs to him. Locke picks the knife and Richard says "I'm sorry, you're not ready." This is an example of Richard "testing the timelines." In other words, when Richard came to young-Locke, he was checking to see if he was in the new Timeline where he had spoken to Locke. Now that Richard has delivered the message, he should be able to go to young-Locke and Locke would now give Richard the compass, signaling that Richard now exists in a timeline where Locke has been "trained." Why does Richard want to train Locke? Probably becuase Locke is some type of prodigy, where the rules of fate don't apply to him

 

Q: Why doesn't Charlotte remember her mother's maiden name?

 

A: With the island moving to different times, someone in a new timeline created a past where Charlotte's mom died when Charlotte was very young. The fact that a new past had been re-written for Charlotte is causing a "merging" of memories, which is why she has a bloody nose. Also, because Charlotte's mother died earlier in the new timeline, Charlotte never got a chance to learn her maiden name. Personally, I didn't learn my mom's maiden name until I was like 15-years-old. So in "timeline 1" for charlotte, her mom may have died when she was 25. But in this new "timeline 2" that was created, her mom died when she was 5, so she still has the memory of her mom, but not the "full" memory.

 

Q: Why was Faraday on the island prior to Dharma discovering the donkey wheel?

 

A: I think Faraday was one of the original members of Dharam. The sequence in S5E1 happened around the year 1990, and Faraday was a mole trying to learn about time travel on the island. At some point before the purge, he took his learnings off the island and began his experiments to the real world - hence the testing of the mouse. He discovered how to create a rudimentary application of time travel, but was never able to re-create the full application that the island exhibited. This was because there is "something" unique about the island that allows it to travel in time at will. In the beginning of Season 4, we saw Faraday crying while watching the wreakage of Oceanic 815 - this was because he knew that him abandoning the island and Dharma had something to do with the plane crashing.

[Voltaire 5,316]

This whole thing is a marital spat between Widmore and his wife -and both of them told Desmond explicitly not to marry their daughter.

[IAMWood 6]

Conan is a riot.

 

 

Never ever find him the least bit humurous, maybe I need to lighten up, in the loafers, to appreciate him. No offense.

 

[IAMWood 6]

Faraday doesn't seem so scatter brained now, is it because he hasn't time traveled so much at the point he is at in the last episode or was he pretending when we first met him?

 

 

[IAMWood 6]

Too bad Locke was too much of a puzzy to shoot young Widemore. It'd been cool if Sawyer did, would that fock up the timeline a little?

 

[Voltaire 5,316]

Theresa is the name of the woman in bed mindfocked by Daniel Faraday's experiment.

 

Theresa is also the name of Boone's nanny. "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs".

[phillybear 366]

Without reading your commentaries on last night's episode, I will simply say it felt like a filler episode, just moving story lines along. I expected more with Desmond being a central figure, but I'm sure it will lead to something more gooder.

 

Now, I may have to start creating family trees for the characters, as it seems that there are some confusing aspects on how some characters interrelate.

[King of Gondor 0]

I was almost expecting more with all the hype. But it was good. Seeing Widemore and Ellie (assuming she is Eloise Hawking) on the island as "others" was quite interesting.

 

Here is a thought I had - there was something about what Faraday said about burying the bomb and he asked if they had access to a large amount of concrete. Remember the Swan station had that weird wall that was described as being solid concrete and it was magnetized. Also the swan station was buried underground. Could the bomb be related to what was going on there and be why the button had to be pushed every 108 minutes?