LOST Season Five Thread

[The Hood 9]

Concerning the "Ajira" logo water bottle Juliet finds in the canoe. From Lostepedia there is a Website http://www.ajiraairways.com/home set up by ABC inc. about this Airline. All their adventures are all island/LOST related. The boarding pass has the Swan computer's hieroglyphs on it. Seems to be setting up that this airline is how the Oceanic 6 (+ Ben & others?) are going to get back to the island. Maybe using the runway the others were building on the Hydra island.

[cribdog 0]

Everyone on Lostpedia seems to think a huge chunk of the this seasons story wil revolve Changs son -- who many speculate is really Miles.

Prolly the best Message Board bored for Lost info and theories is here -- otehr than Phillybears snappy write ups of course

 

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I think this is a virtual certainty now, with Daniel suggesting that he has been on the island before and that is why he is getting the bloody noses sooner than the losties. First Charlotte, then Miles, then Juliet, probably in order with the amount of time that they have spent there....meaning we will see that Charlotte has been there before too.

[The Moz 69]

total filler episode.

 

 

5 people on dock - only need hugo to go.

 

The wreckage I doubt is 06 Becasue why would they shoot at their friends -- I think the wreckage is Widemores group and Ben and the 06 go by boat.

[Sho Nuff 720]

total filler episode.

 

 

5 people on dock - only need hugo to go.

 

The wreckage I doubt is 06 Becasue why would they shoot at their friends -- I think the wreckage is Widemores group and Ben and the 06 go by boat.

 

Except if the O6 had been chasing people in a boat that were Widmore's group and did not realize they were shooting at them.

More likely, they took the O6's boat and like you said, its Widemore's people chasing them....or another group of freakin crazies.

[itsbigmoni 1]

I'm in the group that believes time travel just focks things up too much. It raises way too many questions. I think thats one reason why they have limited the interactions with other people. The people they have met, end up playing a huge role down the road. I'm sure Widmore will remember locke as will mrs. hawking. I dunno, time travel just confuses me too much.

 

I think they're going to try to use things like the "new memory" thing desmond experienced.

[King of Gondor 0]

A male voice answers, "Is someone out there?" to which Boone responds, "We are the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." The voice replies, "We're the survivors of 815." The Beechcraft then falls from the cliff and badly injures Boone. Locke takes Boone back to the camp, but Jack is unable to save his life. At the same time, Claire goes into labour in the jungle and Kate delivers the baby.

 

What's the point? Boone was talking to the tailies?

[CantTouchThis 23]

I think the Faraday as Widmore's son is still speculation at this point, although lots of people are trying to make a connection with Farady, Widmore, Penny and Hawking as some how related to each other.

 

lostpedia.wikia.com

 

Thank you good sir, you shall be rewarded in Lost heaven.

 

Yeah, i have to watch all these episodes in a computer lab at college, so, there is a lot of things i miss because i can't fully focus, i am going to rewatch probably all of them at some point.

 

I really like the whole time travel theme, because most shows or movies that do that it's just a bunch of hoopula. They are actually trying to make it realistic, at least as realistic as time travel could be. Most of the world's most renown physicists believe that time travel may be possible at some point, and many of them give ways we can eventually travel in space-time.

 

Something i thought was interesting was Michael Faraday , a physicists in the late 18th and 19th century specialized in electromagnetism....which is a huge part of the island and why the island is like it is...

 

Also, i am curious to whether they can go into the future, that would be cool as hell. They have only gone into the recent past, they have only gone to 1954, and they are usually within like maybe a couple years or months of where they were. I am waiting for them to go back to maybe around the time the statue with 4 toes was built or something like that. Of course, they may all die by then because this is eventually going to kill them all.

 

First Charlotte, then Miles, then Juliet, and then the rest. Also, maybe we'll find out when Miles was on the island before?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thank you good sir, you shall be rewarded in Lost heaven.

 

Yeah, i have to watch all these episodes in a computer lab at college, so, there is a lot of things i miss because i can't fully focus, i am going to rewatch probably all of them at some point.

 

I really like the whole time travel theme, because most shows or movies that do that it's just a bunch of hoopula. They are actually trying to make it realistic, at least as realistic as time travel could be. Most of the world's most renown physicists believe that time travel may be possible at some point, and many of them give ways we can eventually travel in space-time.

 

Something i thought was interesting was Michael Faraday , a physicists in the late 18th and 19th century specialized in electromagnetism....which is a huge part of the island and why the island is like it is...

 

Also, i am curious to whether they can go into the future, that would be cool as hell. They have only gone into the recent past, they have only gone to 1954, and they are usually within like maybe a couple years or months of where they were. I am waiting for them to go back to maybe around the time the statue with 4 toes was built or something like that. Of course, they may all die by then because this is eventually going to kill them all.

 

First Charlotte, then Miles, then Juliet, and then the rest. Also, maybe we'll find out when Miles was on the island before?

 

Pretty sure their trip with the boats was the future for them.

[Voltaire 4,584]

The Indian airliner with the abandoned camp and Dharma food gone can only have happened in the future.

[Mrdirt73 0]

Also, maybe we'll find out when Miles was on the island before?

 

Asian baby at the beginning of episode one this season? That's the speculation I've been hearing alot.

[phillybear 365]

5.04 The Little Prince

 

100% not proofread. The write-up is a little late this week. The American government decided that according to the Fairness Doctrine, I had to give equal time for someone to gush how much they like the character Jack, and for a screen capper to prove that Sun does indeed blink once in a while. I beat the Men in Black off with a stick, and so here I am again, to provide angst, outrage, insane theories, and sometimes even talk about the most recent episode of LOST. I’ve been spending time thinking about alternate time lines/universes that this episode seems to make a case for.

 

The title of this episode seems to refer to a popular children’s book which I never heard of before. It has something to do with drawings, people in a desert, and an asteroid B612 that the Prince comes from. There are characters on this asteroid that seem to correspond to some of the LOST characters. It would take forever to make all the connection, so I suggest you look up The Little Prince on wikipedia, and I’m not prepared to write 2 pages on a literary reference as such you are not prepared to read the same, but the way I seem to read it, the King = Jacob or Locke, The Conceited Man = Benjamin Linus, The Drunkard/Tipplar = Jack, The Businessman = Charles Widmore, The Lamplighter = could be Locke, Daniel, Desmond, and The Geographer = Richard. Read about the story, but there is a later reference in the episode to this story. And the obvious connection is that Aaron is The Little Prince, as the main theme of the episode is the tug of war over the kid.

 

We start with the Oceanic 6, specifically Jack and Kate cutting a deal on the rescue boat, about 2 days off the island. Kate reminds everybody that Claire was going to give Aaron up for adoption, so in her mind Kate felt justified in keeping Aaron to raise. Sawyer is discussed as being gone. Jack and Kate strike an unspoken deal that Kate will support Jack and the Oceanic 6 cover story for Aaron. Felt very clinical and just like, well, an auction like Charles Widmore bidding on the Black Rock diary. Just struck me as creepy. Kate tells Jack that she has “always been with you”. Yeah, except for those times you were having dirty sex with Sawyer in the polar bear cages. Or the time you jumped Sawyer’s bones on the beach. Or…well, you get the idea. 3 years later, in Sun’s hotel room, Kate is dressing up for an appointment. Finally, somebody had the good sense to tell off the island Kate to stop applying makeup with a trowel. As Kate leaves, Sun receives a delivery full of intel, candy, and a gun. Life is like a box of chocolate. You never know what you are going to get. Oh, yeah? You know what you get? A box half full of crap. As we approach the horrific annual Valentine’s Day like a drunken grizzly approaching a bear trap, we are reminded how awful a box of Whitman Samplers are. Sure, over the years, you recognize some of the good candy, the ones filled with caramel, or almonds, or solid milk chocolate. But woe is the victim of a chocolate covered purple fluff, or a chocolate covered pink fluff, or some other weapon of mass destruction. And if get to an already open box, you can bet someone has been jamming their thumb into the bottom of every piece of candy to see what is inside, and if it is unpalatable, then that candy goes right back to where it started. How many manhandled, half filled boxes gets discarded year after year after year. Hey, candy companies. Here’s a concept. Fill up the heart ahaped boxes with stuff people actually want to eat, and charge a little bit more. Everybody will be much happier. I can’t tell you what is worse, a box of mystery chocolates, or a sharp stick to the eye.

 

The Jungle 6 (Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Locke, Juliet, and Sawyer ) are tending to the bleeding Charlotte. Of course, Rose and Bernard, the other Losties who all jumped before, Claire, etc. but nobody else seems to be around. Just the 6. Well, I’m glad that they are still being featured at this point, as they are probably the 6 most interesting characters on the show at this minute. Juliet tries to extract information from Daniel about what is going on. Daniel continues to be a lunkhead and mostly says he doesn’t know what is going. Bah. I do believe that he doesn’t really know why it isn’t happening to the others. Kate goes to the lawyer to cut a deal with no leverage. Interesting how the client refuses to be known, at all costs. But the “you’re going to lose Aaron” is a vehicle of manipulation and course correcting. Revisiting the Jungle 6, Locke hatches a plan to return to the Orchid, but no idea what to do when they get there. You know, this probably isn’t very bright. If they go into the hatch, and time jump to a time before the hatch was built, would they just leap inside the ground, basically burying themselves alive? Well, they have to go back to the Zodiac raft. Locke insists that the Oceanic 6 are still alive, no doubt echoing what future Richard told him. Locke then jokes about bring the Oceanic 6 back, “even if it kills me”. He then addresses the elephant in the room, and asks Sawyer if he wants Kate to come back. Holy hell, did anybody else in this show’s history, other than Jack, ever mention this before? It’s like a family secret or something. Charlotte wakes up “Who are you?” Looking at Daniel. Oddly enough, after an introduction, Charlotte focuses on Daniel, closes her eyes, “Oh!!“ and snaps back. Is Daniel somehow her constant? I doubt it, but for some reason she regained her mind when she acknowledged him. Jack is tending to Sayid in the hospital, who has been out 42 hours (4,8,15,16,23,42) on horse tranquilizers. Jack gets called out of his room and gets yelled at for breaking his suspension due to substance abuse. In mid rebuke, Jack gets a call from Hurley, which of course is a brilliant use of your phone call from jail. Don’t call Mom or Dad, or a lawyer. Call Jack. Our Hurley Sucks Moment of the Week. As Sayid is twiddling his thumbs, a nurse comes in to give him some medicine. As the nurse spins just in time to put two tranquilizer darts into a pillow, Sayid attacks. For fock’s sake, he is choking a guy to death with an IV cord, a nice follow up to killing someone earlier this year with a dishwasher. Sayid has shaken is inconsistent tough guy/stupid guy on the island to become a certified bad ass. It is never made clear who this guy is working for, but Sayid pulls out Kate’s address from his pocket, 42 Crescent Place (4,8,15,16,23,42) .

 

Jack, Ben, and Sayid huddle up. Hannibal Ben, Face Jack, and Mr. T Sayid split up to rescue Kate and Hurley. So they can meet at marina 23 (4,8,15,16,23,42). The Jungle 6 are stomping through the jungle as Sawyer asks Locke what he will tell Kate to get her to come back. Yeah, that’s a tough one. But just at that moment, we see a shaft of light going up in the sky. Locke immediately recognizes this as the Swan hatch light from Season 1, as Desmond hit a light switch. Actually, this is the second time the time travelers has encountered Desmond on the island. Locke steers the hikers away, no doubt fearing a time paradox, interacting with themselves from the past can cause serious ripples for the future. Course correcting, and Daniel saying what has already happened, happens. But I am having serious doubts about that. Miles starts to bleed. Sawyer goes to investigate screaming in the jungle, despite Locke’s protest. Sawyer spends a minute in the bushes, watching Claire give birth to Aaron while Kate assists. No doubt, one of the most touching moments in LOST history. And only this show can deliver an emotional punch from a time traveler from the recent future watching a child birth scene with two people he really misses. Time jump.

 

Kate meets Jack at her car. The lawyer pulls out, wide open window, pauses at edge of parking lot driveway blatantly, just begging for somebody to follow him, which Jack and Kate promptly do. As the Jungle 6 march on, Locke really badly wants to know what Sawyer saw. Locke explains the light shaft, concluding that it was just a light. I have to disagree. It was a crucial moment of doubt in his faith in the island, and he got a sign to carry on with his work. Sawyer suggests that he could have told himself to do things differently. Locke said he needed the pain to get to where he is now. I have two other problems with this. If you try to change the future, there is no guarantee that the change will matter, as this series has demonstrated an unyielding theme of course correcting from the universe. Next, if you do change the past, you could theoretically change the future, and there is no guarantee the future events transpire exactly like they did the first time around. Also, no future Locke talked to past Locke on the island, as far as we know. So if it didn’t happen, it can’t happen. Miles questions Daniel about the nose bleeds. Here we have 6 people moving through the jungle in a group, but they are still having individual secret conversations. Daniel theorizes that it might be related to time spent on the island, and basically questions Miles’ statement that he was never on the island before. How would he not remember being on the island before? Maybe as a very young child, much like Dr Chang’s kid. But this also means Charlotte was on the island for a while, but how? We just don’t know yet. The Jungle 6 stumble on the facsimile Losties camp at the beach, but no food or beer is left. The Zodiac is gone. A pair of racing canoes are on the shore. An Ajira Airways water bottle is in a boat. Let’s call a time out here. A new website was just set up at Ajiraairways.com, much like when we were visiting Oceanic Airlines website. Here is s scene that is universally accepted as a future scene. But no evidence of Oceanic is there, but instead Ajira. Is it that inconceivable that this is an alternate time line/universe. Something changed in the past where Oceanic never crashed on the island, but the island needed help, so they grabbed another plane from the sky. Not Oceanic 815, But Ajira. How interesting that the motto of Ajira is Destination, Destiny. Yeah, destiny is leading your destination, maybe to hidden island in the Pacific Ocean. Daniel said what happened, happened. But what about the future. What if somehow along the way of time jumps, the future changed?: The past is intact so far, the 1950’s, Danielle, etc. But maybe something is very amiss based on the time jumps. Sawyer asks about Other Others, which is a theory I continue to push since Season 2, when a mysterious group kidnapped Tailies at the beach, obviously not Ben’s Others, who were instructed to do nothing for 3 days until Goodwin got a list together. As the paddling is happening, Sawyer admits to Juliet that he saw Kate in the jungle. The other canoe, populated with God knows who starts to shoot at the canoe. How weird would it be if Juliet was shooting at Juliet. Sawyer proclaims to the heavens as the time jumps starts “Thank you, Lord” to a scene of a driving rain storm “I take that back.”. Lucky for these mooks that the canoe didn’t disappear. I’m still not clear the rules of what objects can time travel with you. And exactly how many days has it been since the Jungle 6 ate a meal? Jack and Kate arrive at what I believe was the hotel where Locke helped his dad swindle some cash, got caught by his girlfriend in aiding his dad, then got rejected as he proposed to Peg Bundy. The lawyer is there to meet Claire’s mother. Which is obviously a plot device to throw us off.

 

Jack wants to fix things. Which is nice. Seems like he is earnestly trying to repair the damage he has caused by leading them off the island and his relationship with Kate. Stupid Fairness Doctrine. Jack talks to Claire’s mother, and she doesn’t know who the hell Aaron is. Well, aside from Jack all but admitting that they stole the baybeeeeee, he resolves that plot twist. Kate tells Sun to bring Aaron and meet them at the marina. Duh. Stupid. Ben and Sayid pull into a parking garage in their Canton-Rainer van to meet Ben’s lawyer. First of all, Canton-Rainer is an anagram of “Reincarnation“. Secondly, the lawyer calls Ben “Mr. Norton”. Thirdly, Hurley will be released in the morning. Ah, the justice system at work, or jut merely course correction. The Jungle 6 reach shore, and discover a brand new wreckage site, one that features containers with French language, mainly Besixdouze. Using a mix of French and English, Be-six-douze = B612, as in The Little Prince story. Next, we see a number of French folks on a raft seeing an island in the distance, and paddling towards it, discovering a castaway, who they pull aboard, who is none other than Jin. First of all, I predicted Jin being alive way back in the Season 5 preview in early January….

Jin: sadsack. He really pissed me off in Season 4. He spend quite some time being pissed at Sun because she learned English behind his back. But when he found out she cheated on him, a few hours later, he came back to her sheepishly and didn’t even ask for an apology. Are you kidding me? That is a defeated man. He had the role of buying a panda for the baby in the hospital in the episode that had a flash back and flash forward running simultaneously. The 2nd panda he purchased was an example of the universe course correcting. Is Jin really dead? Remember, when the kidnapping of Walt happened, the Others blew up the raft. We didn’t see Jin until Michael and Sawyer washed up on shore and met the Tailies who were chasing Jin. Jin could still be alive. The problem is, he is too far away from the island, and might be doing a doggie paddle in the middle of the ocean with zero islands of any kind near by. Maybe he can be lucky enough to find the island if he swims in the direction of the right coordinates. Then lands on the island and has Desmond type of time travel episode where Sun is the constant. Or he is just dead. And why was he continuing to look at snipping wires while Michael was freezing the charge on the freighter? Desmond couldn’t do it, and gave up. What makes Jin think he could have done it? Then he stayed too long and was blown up. Dummy. Jin is/was a hapless pawn.

I have a real problem with Jin being found here. How do we reconcile that the helicopter practically on top of the island was not pulled along with the island moving, but somehow Daniel and the Zodiac passengers being further out being included in the move, and now apparently Jin, who has 5 miles off shore. Don’t forget, When the first time jump happened, the frozen donkey wheel move by Ben, Sawyer and Juliet could not see the freighter anymore, it didn’t jump, but Jin did? Wow, the rules of the island are really illogical. Therefore I choose to ignore a lot of these time travel inconsistencies, unless they really bother me. Most of the Oceanic 6 are now at the marina. Jack finally tells Kate about the assassin with the address in his pocket. Kate is mortified when Ben shows up with Sayid. She accuses Ben of hiring the lawyer to take away Aaron, to which Ben readily agrees. What? After many seasons of complicated Ben lies, he actually admits to something that sleazy. I realize that Ben is an evil genius, but what possible positive outcome can happen from him admitting to Kate that it was him pushing her. Even Jack, who mere seconds ago was defending Ben, is dumbfounded. Jack Sucks Moment of the Week. Stunning.

Also, from a few weeks ago…

Lawyers came to see me, and Sun is curious about who they represent. Being that Sun only recently told Widmore about wanting Ben dead, and that the lawyers flushed out Kate before Sun ever called, I have to think at this point that Ben sent the lawyers

Sun is hiding in the shadows with Aaron in the back seat, and emerges with a gun. I swear, Sun reminds me of that psychopath astronaut that drove thousands of miles wearing a diaper, trying to kill someone. She had the same crazy eyes that Sun has. A reader of my awful rambling pointed out that Sun blinked almost 5 times in this episode. I counted less, but I may be biased. Jin wakes up on the beach, a dehydrated, sunburned mess. I have to wonder if Jin simply drifted in the LOST island waters after the explosion, and is just NOW time traveling, or has he been traveling unconscious all along. Either way, the island clearly wants him alive. I don’t think anybody else is going to be found as survivors of the freighter explosion. The island powers did extent that far, as we saw Libby on the boat when she was talking to Michael. Jin is able to communicate his situation in broken English to a pregnant French woman, no surprise, who is Danielle Rousseau. Which I was very happy to see. I very much wanted to see a Rousseau flashback, and how we will get it, somewhat. Danielle said that she gave birth on the island, and the fact that she is pregnant right now, means she was truthful. So what happened between Rousseaus’s child birth and Claire’s child birth, where all the Others kept dying in child birth. What happened there? Plus this is probably after the Dharma genocide, and the Others’ ruled the island. Ben admitted to Keamey last season that he stole Alex from a crazy woman. So, what happened to the French castaways. Meanwhile, Jin and Rousseau co-existed on the island during the Oceanic 6 heyday. Jin obviously recognized her or at least her name. But Rousseau did not recognize Jin at all before she was killed off by Keamey’s men. Why? Is it that the future is somehow affected by these time jumps. I really need more information here.

 

OK. Shorter writeup this week. So far, every episode was been full of caramel goodness. I hope we don’t get any chocolate covered yellow fluff.

[FeelingMN 273]

Anybody think it was just a coincindence it was raining on the island approx. the same time it was raining in LA? It seemed to serve as some sort of plot device to remind the viewer both groups of 6 (Oceanic vs. Island) are somehow intricately connected despite being separated by space/time.

 

 

 

And, nice write up philly....per usual.

 

[ROBOKOP 0]

Philly, I want these done no later than Saturday from now on. I need my fix.

[tikigods 76]

I'm starting not to like Lost...it's getting irritating.

[Franknbeans 46]

does this show suck or what?

[IAMWood 6]

I'm starting not to like Lost...it's getting irritating.

 

My wife feels the same way, maybe it's a chick thing.

 

Naw, I see your point. It is more me watching to get my questions anwered than really caring. I am not near as pumped to watch as I once was. I used to not be able to wait until it came on, counting the days. Now I am like, oh it's Wednesday, I can watch Lost tonight.

[Voltaire 4,584]

Lost should be on really soon right?

[phillybear 365]

This week's writeup will feature my theory on the island course correcting itself with alternate timelines, and using the time travel as a tool to correct what went wrong when Oceanic crashed on the island. I'm bristling with anticipation.

[jets24 6]

Great write up Philly. Well done my friend. Its starting! Everybody shutup!

[phillybear 365]

The greatest, most chilling word in LOST lexicon. Monster.

 

[phillybear 365]

The monster is the security system of the Temple. And it CHANGES you. I think that means butt sex, you on the bottom. Or paying for an M Night Shamalamadingdong movie. Which is about the same thing, if you watched The Happening.

[phillybear 365]

Simply put, this was one of the best LOST episodes ever. I kept touching myself for an hour. I need a smoke. I'll catch up with you folks on Saturday.

[The Moz 69]

What an espisode !!! Everything in this one ... some answers - TONS more questions even smokey.

 

 

Where to start !!

 

 

So many questions

 

My biggest is -- Is Christian really representing Jacob?

 

off to the Losdpedia boreds for a while

 

Best episode eve ron LOST!

[The Moz 69]

What is a huge mind fock is Ben -- good or evil?

 

Maybe Ben knew it was Locke meant to the wheel and knew since he has been on Island a long time he would die quickly. Maybe all the metal was intentional to cause the wheel to stick knowing that would cause Locke to have to die an maybe he could come back.

 

Right now out of Christian , Richard , Ben and Widemore the only one I actually think is good is Richard.

 

I can't understand how is Locke Dying helping ?

 

So Smokie is the temples security system

 

I think at this point most things point to the Island being Lemuria.

[SUXBNME 1,354]

This thread reeks of dork...

 

Just sayin

[IAMWood 6]

This thread reeks of dork...

 

Just sayin

 

This is the geek club, sorry the ghey man cat club forum doesn't get much traffic for you.

 

 

I posted earlier how I was losing interest in Lost, I am back, counting the days to next week's episode.

 

[The Moz 69]

I posted earlier how I was losing interest in Lost, I am back, counting the days to next week's episode.

 

 

 

This is IMO the best season Lost has produced so far.. At least since season 1 anyway.

 

 

After thinking about it - I think last night's episode provided a lot of insight into Christian , Ben , Locke , and Jacob. If Lost keeps it's sense of name symbolism then this would imply Christian is GOOD and does speak for Jacob. Ben is really evil - " since when has following Ben every gotten you anywhere good " . Another reason to think Locke is JACOB.

 

Locke - when Ben brought Locke to the Cabin the first time Locke couldn't see Jacob - most likely becasue if he did it would effect events that had already happened if he would of - causing what Faraday talked about and the reason Locke couldn't see him.. Ben wasn't spooked becasue he could hear him too he was spooked becasue he DID hear him and thought the " rules had changed or Locke was like Desmond - not subject to the rules of time and space. When the show focuses so much on Locke is the their leader -- it is becasue he is - not the leader of the Moment like Ben but Jacob.

 

When they moved the Island Ben likely knew Locke was supposed to do it. He did it becasue he knew he would die quickly becasue he had been on Island so long and wasn't a "true " other in the sense he was born there so he would have been effected by the flash's. When we heard him talk to jacob when moving the wheel it was actually him saying look what you made me do to you - not are you happy now becasue he was making a sacrifice. he was crying becasue he knew he had finally crossed the line to the other side -- likely the same line Widemore crossed years ago..

 

What I am trying to get my head around is does the island move again or are they going to be stuck permanant in the Dharma early 1970's era. If so why would they take the Dharma side when they know they get killed off?

[The Moz 69]

If it didn't before, it does now.

 

 

it did before - moreso now

[King of Gondor 0]

so after last night... I'm thinking that Annie is Charlotte's mum... (maybe Ben is Charlotte's dad?, not sure yet). Ben has Annie and Charlotte leave the island before his "purge", which is why Annie denies everything about the island, Charlotte never sees her Dad (maybe Ben?) again because he stayed back on the island.

[King of Gondor 0]

What about that line from Christian, "Say hi to my son" or something like that.

 

Was that simply in reference to Jack or perhaps someone else.

 

nice.

 

Also, on the Geronimo Jackson reference by Charlotte... I forgot all about that and Lockes flashbacks, and the hippies and the marajuana and stuff. So much to remember

[Snoopy1 0]

I'm interested in learning how the island made Danielle get taller. Will all the people on the island grow 4 inches if they stay there for 16 years?

[MLCKAA 420]

Daniel's mother sold Penny's engagement ring to Desmond.

 

 

 

Jin didn't stay with the French people after the flash at the temple. So, why did he stay with the Losties after a flash?

 

 

 

How did Jin know that Charlotte could speak Korean?

[Snoopy1 0]

How did Jin know that Charlotte could speak Korean?

 

He figured that out last year, when Jin, Sun, Danelle and Charlotte went to one of the hatches to get medical supplies for Jacks appedicitis. Jin and Sun were talking about her and Daniel and he could see she was eavesdropping. He confronted her about later that episode and she replied to him in Korean.

[King of Gondor 0]

How did Jin know that Charlotte could speak Korean?

 

Sawyer: "You heard the man, TRANSLATE!!! "

 

Miles: "He's from Korea, I'm from Encino"

 

[Kopy 496]

I have nothing for anyone here. I just want to be on record for 5 things.

 

1. I need to know everything about Ben.

2. I need to know everything about Daniel.

3. I need to know everything about Richard.

4. I need to know who/what/where/when/why/and how is Jacob.

5. Miles needs more airtime, and is quickly becoming my favorite character.

 

My life will never be complete until all this happens.

 

*Side note.

 

The best thing they ever did waas come up with an end date. They already had an ending, but now they can work from the end, to the last episode from last year. Fill in all the holes, and put out great episodes. No more filler shows just buying time. Now a certain amount of time to do everything.

 

Great show.

[jets24 6]

I'm playing with myself right now. That was the best episode. I immediately thought of Phillybear when the smoke monster showed up. I knew he would be happy, which makes me happy. It's one less day I have to worry about Philly wishing AIDS on somebody.

[IAMWood 6]

There should be more shows were people's arms get ripped off, IMO.

 

I have no problem with them leaving the arm there, but at least take the dude's watch.

 

[phillybear 365]

Edit: Mike, please don't delete. I do long writeups every week. This has nothing to do with the political infighting at the moment at this site.

 

5.05 This Place Is Death

 

I thought this was a terrific episode, and one of the best in Lost history. I don’t know how the writers can keep this pace up. But I’m enjoying the ride. Not coincidently, this is the longest write-up of the season, by 20%.

 

Prior to this episode, I posted at several of my favorite message boards that I was prepared to consider the idea that the island was course correcting itself by moving people around in time like so many chess pieces, trying to preserve history, or change what had gone wrong in the past. Little did I know, there were several very clear examples of this very idea during this episode. Among previous references to this idea, during the enhanced episode preceding the new one, it was pointed out that Sawyer watching Kate and Claire was interesting, but to me the most interesting part of that image was that it was missing Jin and Charlie, who appeared in that scene in Season 1. So this scene was different. Why? Alternate timeline/universes are popping up, where even though the main events remain the same, some of the details are changing. Sure, Claire still gave birth, but not exactly the same way. So where Daniel and Sawyer have said that was happened, happens., but what they fail to realize is that there are changes anyway.

 

Even though I want to go back to the island right away for the incredible time travel storyline, answers to our questions, and references to past seasons, we get stuck with the Oceanic 6 on the dock. Sun gets a phone call and does what any other mother will do “I’ll be going home tomorrow (after I kill somebody for no reason) and by the way, here in the backseat I found a playmate for you (who will be traumatized the rest of his life for witnessing a cold blooded murder). Sure, keep trying to make Sun out as a sympathetic figure, you douchey writers. It’s not going to work when she brought Aaron along in the backseat. Cold. Hearted. Ben again points out to Kate that Aaron is not her son. Ben gets it. We get it. Everybody gets it. Kate is delusional. As Sun threatens Ben with a gun, he tells her what we already know “nobody killed Jin, he is alive, I can prove it.” Jin and the French 6 are on the island. Did anybody else notice how the groups are broken out right now, the Jungle 6 (Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Daniel, Charlotte), the Oceanic 6 (Jack, Kate, Sun, Sayid, Hurley, Aaron) and now the French 6 + Jin. Then again, 6,6,6 and you have to wonder about the island, since that carries serious religious connotations as the mark of the Beast from the book of the Revelations from the New Testament, a true symbol of evil. Don’t expect me tell you all the Frenchie names, I have no idea nor care. We hear one of the French guys listening to a radio transmission of 4,8,15,16,23,42. If you recall, when Hurley traveled to Australia back in season one, investigating the curse of the numbers, the woman he talked to in the ranch house told a story of how her husband was stationed in the South Pacific to monitor transmission and communication, and he would hear those numbers over and over again. He eventually went mad over the numbers. So, connecting the dots, when Shannon tells up in Season 1 that the distress signal is in French, and Sayid determines that the message has been broadcasting for 16 years, we now can confirm the original transmission and that Danielle did indeed end up changing the message. By the way, how odd that we have a Daniel and Danielle on the same show. Even though they apparently never met. Through a series of questions, Jin let’s us know that it’s 1988. As the group makes for the radio tower, Danielle does not know who Jin is, nor did she in the future? This is simply odd, but most likely just another example of alternate universe. Also, if Jin is so gung-ho in finding his wife, and he knows it’s 1988, how the hell does he expect to accomplish this? Makes no sense, but, whatever. Weak premise for a jaunt through the jungle. Walking along, Danielle feels the kick of her baby, and we find out this is absolutely Alex, Robert is the father, not Ben as some might have suspected. Ben kept saying Alex was his daughter, but he kidnapped her from a “crazy woman” he admitted this all too obvious plot vehicle just before Keamy put a bullet in Alex’s head last season. Uh, oh, Nadine is missing. Gee, what are the odds she is dead. Considering that Naomi, Nadia, are dead, and a Nadine is missing, it sure looks like the third of these alliteration sisters will soon be taking a permanent dirt nap. An eerie silence grips the jungle. I sit up on my couch, and I’m crouching, ready to react. There are those familiar sounds. Jin tells us the magical, wonderful news. “Monster”.

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The French 6 and Jin are looking for Nadine while trees are exploding around them and the monster is about to appear. And not as the namby-pamby version that merely wounded one of Keamy’s men. No, this is the same bad ass monster that was such a menace the first 2 or 3 seasons, especially season 1. And just like in Season 1, the monster kills Nadine in a seemingly similar way it killed the pilot. Nadine falls from the sky. Jin points out that it might be a good time to run away. Before they get going, the monster grabs Montand and starts to drag him through the jungle, exactly like it was dragging Locke in Season 1, trying to pull him underground into a hole. The rest of the group chases and does a pig pile while trying to keep Montand from disappearing into the hole. The smoke curls around Montand even more so like a snake or octopus might, and gives a tug, leaving the group with an arm souvenir. I have to wonder if this might be the same severed arm from Season 3, which Vincent found during the episode of Hurley and the Dharma van; mostly because it was never clearly established to my satisfaction that the arm came from the dead guy (Ben’s father) in the van. In a matter of seconds, Montand is shouting from the hole, it’s gone, I’m hurt, help me. Now, this is a classic horror movie plot device, not that it’s good, but that is what almost horror movie does. Consider as an example of this psychology, you jump into some murky lake, and the water is much colder than expected. When the people you are with ask you “how’s the water?” what do you say. “The water’s great, jump in!!” Bullsh!t. But you are trying to get the rest of the group to experience what you just went through. For what possible motivation? The evil in human nature. Wanting others to suffer like you. Also, consider that the smoke monster is apparently guarding an ancient wall, which we see in another 2 minutes, full of hieroglyphics, making it seem like Smokie is much like Cerberus, the 3 headed dog guarding Hades in mythology. So either Mortand is being evil, or has instantly been converted to an evil person, in seconds, and is asking his colleagues to march right into the cold water of death of life itself or maybe their consciousness. This reminded me so much of that creepiness of a character in Dreamcatcher, the movie based on the Stephen King novel. An alien being begins to possess a main character in the movie, and he acts just enough “off” to alert his friends. Either way, creepy scenario, especially as the French decide to climb in after him. Are you people nuts? Have you never seen Dreamcatcher, even though it was made over a decade in the future. Afterall, only fooks are enslaved by time and space, so no excuses. My first instinct would be to run away, screaming through the jungle. And you people are French. All of the sudden you get brave. Bah. And I don’t want to hear about my French bashing. My father lived in France for 20 years, and he hates it more than the British, frog‘s that want to keep their legs, and the French themselves. Maybe I’m just pissed off that Steve Martin continues to make Peter Sellers spin in his grave with another awful Pink Panther movie. Sacre Blue. Anyway, in an island course correcting moment, Jin prevents Danielle from climbing in with the others. And she was going to do it. Jin/the island saves her, keeping her around for later. This also struck me a division between the purpose of the island vs. the purpose of the smoke monster. They are not on the same page. While Smokie is tempting Danielle into death/brainwashing, the island sent Jin back to a specific time and place to make sure Danielle is safe, and around to greet the Oceanic 815 Losties 16 years from now. There are dueling forces on the island, as well as there should be. The hieroglyphics give us a poke as to maybe this is the Temple that Ben has referred to a couple of times during Season 4. But Ben called is a safe house for Richard and the Others, and even sent Danielle, Alex, and Karl to the Temple to avoid Keamy’s men. How exactly is it safe, when a loose cannon like Smokie is hanging around? Can the others control it? Somehow, I doubt it. Did Ben actually summon it in Season 4 to attack Keamy’s men? I still don’t know for sure. Whenever we learn anything new about Smokie, it opens up more questions. Jin time jumps. He spots some smoke on the horizon, and sets off in that direction. This was very reminiscent of the beach scene during Season 1, when Danielle foretold of an attack by the Others, and then kidnapped Aaron. She lit a fire at the beach as foreboding yet fake signal. As Jin wanders around the beach campsite, we see the broken music box which Sayid will eventually fix in Season 1 when he is captured by Danielle and taken to her torture chamber. Aha, two dead bodies, no doubt shot, but both have arms. Danielle and Robert are in a stand off on the beach. Danielle is accusing Robert of having the sickness, the same sickness she spoke about during Season 1 as to what happened to rest of her castaways. She went on to explain that she had to shoot them all, and this was mostly true. After Robert convinces Danielle to lower her gun, creepily he tries to kill her. Click. Nothing. The island is protecting Danielle for a second time, against the wishes of whatever it was that the puppy dog Cerberus was dragging his prey back to, in the darkness of the underground. But Robert said something very interesting. The monster is a security system for the Temple. Is Robert trustworthy at this point? Is he telling us truth, or a lie to convince Danielle to lower her gun? Danielle believes it, as that is what she tells the Losties during Season 1, but do we believe it? I mean, we see what could be A temple, maybe not THE temple. Seems plausible. Danielle kills Robert and tries to up her kill count by taking out Jin too, but we all knew that wasn’t going to happen. You have to wonder, if Danielle saw Jin 16 years ago, and saw the guy disappear right before her eyes, and recognized him the very next time she saw him, why didn’t she recognize him when Oceanic 815 crash happened and Danielle was interacting with the Losties. Did she figure out that Jin time traveled and saved her life, but still didn’t say anything? Did she never meet him in the past universe? Well, the Danielle chapter closes, but three questions linger which may never be answered. What happened when Ben was captured by Danielle in Season 2? Why/How did Ben take Alex away from Danielle? Why did the Others allow Danielle to roam around the island? After Jin time jumps, he is reunited with the Jungle 6, now renamed in my world as the Jungle 7, for now. Where is Sun? I suppose he thinks she survived the freighter explosion, drifting in the seas for a while, and is in 1988 like he is. That is a lot of hope for something so remotely possible.

 

Sawyer is trying to explain to Jin that they are time traveling. Everybody seems surprised that Charlotte can speak Korean, but we saw this during Season 4, as during a trip to the medical hatch, Jin realized that Charlotte could understand the dialogue between himself and Sun. He threatened the safety of Daniel to Charlotte if Sun did not get off the island later that episode, the one where Jack had his appendix removed. She tells Jin that Sun is alive, according to Locke, and they are trying to bring her back to the island. Ben has a gun pointed at his face, and I swear, Ben gulped. I rewound to make sure. Is this a convincing acting job, or an actual moment of concern by Mr. Smooth And In Control At All Times. I think that he realizes that it has to be Widmore that is helping Sun at this point. Someone in LA can show you proof that Jin is alive. So many people are apparently busy in LA, dealing with the island. After all, that was the destination of Oceanic 815, where Claire was going to give up Aaron, where Jin was conducting an errand for Mr Paik, and so on. Now, post crash, we see Desmond headed there with Widmore’s help, and all of the Oceanic 815 in the area. Eloise Hawkings. It’s a magnet of some sort. Or course correction by the universe, of course. Kate is trying to leave, and throws a hissy fit in Jack’s direction. “You pretended to care about me and Aaron and blah, blah, blah, me, me, me, me, me…“ Oh, just shut up already. We get it. Everything is always about you. Maybe not on the island, at least until you got Sawyer and Jack jousting because of you. But once you got rescued, the world revolves around you. Holy smokes, Kate is probably the most selfish person on the show. Sayid leaves too. So, that leaves Ben, Jack, and Sun for the road trip. Meanwhile, back to the Jungle 7. Locke is explaining how leaving the island is a one person job. Another time jump, and yet another one seconds later, each more violent than the next. So, either they are jumping further and further into the past and future, or the effects are getting more severe, or both. Sawyer is now the 4th member of the group to start bleeding. Interestingly enough, Daniel is not bleeding. Nor is Locke. Nor Jin. Well, Locke is protected by the island. But why not Danielle. Didn’t he say to Miles last episode that he thought the bleeding had something to do with the amount of time somebody had been on the island. Well, Charlotte then Miles then Juliet then Sawyer is the order. We know that Juliet has been on the island for about 3 years, and Sawyer about 3 months. So, aside from tracking down the back stories of Charlotte and Miles, why not Daniel? Is he special like Desmond? Because he time traveled in the past, and can handle the side effects? Jin is probably going to be next, as he was unconscious for a while, so the effects were less severe on his consciousness. Charlotte speaks to Jin as if possessed, and very much echoing Claire’s appearance at Kate’s house last season, “Don’t let them bring her back, this place is death.” Again, another example of the island having contradictory agendas. Richard says they have to come back. Here we have the opposite. A battle of good and evil on the island? But, who are the good guys?

 

So as Ben drives on, Jack apologizes to Sun for leaving Jin behind. Let’s all welcome back our Jack Sucks Moment of the Week. It’s not bad enough that you are now following Ben around like a beaten puppy, with sad eyes, doing whatever he wants you to do. You are a beaten man. Now, you apologize to Sun for essentially saving her life, and yours, and the other people in the helicopter. You’d be dead, stupid, if you waited for Jin. We as the viewers know it’s Jin’s fault he went Ka-boom. He was dawdling with the wires of the explosives for no good reason, after Desmond the expert gave up on them. Why are you hanging out with Michael when you know you have to prepare to evacuate. What Sun needs to come to grips with, what someone needs to tell her, is it’s Jin’s own stupid ass that got him killed. Ben is trying to help Jack, even if it is for selfish reasons. He got him off the pills and cleaned him up. So when Sun and Jack start talking about killing Ben, Ben pulls over like an angry parent with some unruly kids in the back, and I was hoping he would pimp slap Jack. “I’m helping you. You’d never stop thanking me for what I’ve done.“ Don’t make me turn this car around or I‘ll beat you with my shoe when we get home. OK, Ben, it was a bit over the top. But how can Sun and Jack be so obtuse? The guy just told you your husband isn’t dead, and he is saving your pill popping broken down life, and you are talking about killing Ben.. Ben needs to take Sun and Jack and bonk their heads together like Larry and Curley. Yeah, Ben always acts in his best interests, but all of the sudden he is being more truthful and actually stopping the Oceanic 6 from screwing up their lives so badly So, the real question is, was Ben telling the truth when he told Michael on the dock at the end of Season 2, “We’re the good guys.” We will probably find out for sure by the end of this season, and maybe by the end of the episode. As Charlotte is falling apart after the last Jungle 7 time jump, she starts a stream of consciousness that tells us a lot about her background/past. “Why can’t daddy come with us?” So, would it possible that Charlotte was born on the island, but left with her mother, leaving her father behind. So who is Charlotte’s father? Not sure at this point. Who is her mother? Well, since the natives don’t leave the island for good, it’s Dharma, so her father was probably killed during the purge. “You know what mother would say about marrying an American.” Was this a reference to Daniel’s affection for her. Or a reference to her past in a conversation to someone. Either way, her mystery mother hates Americans, which means that her father is likely American. Whilethe rest of Jungle 7 argue over leaving Charlotte behind, another time jump, and Charlotte babbles about Geronimo Jackson, a band referenced in Season 2 in the Swan hatch, and Season 4 as Locke has a poster of the band in his locker when we see him in a flashback to his time in high school. Charlotte tells them to look for the well, as they take off for the Orchid, leaving Charlotte and Daniel behind. As they approach a broken wall near where the Orchid station is, Juliet says “Thank God we are in the same time as this thing….” they time jump. Again, I am convinced that Juliet knows a lot more than she is saying during these time jumps. What exactly was the broken structure? Locke finds the well Charlotte referenced. I have to wonder if Charlotte knew about it, or if she was possessed again, by the opposite of what said this place is death, and was trying to get Locke off the island. Tug of war. Charlotte has moment of clarity, enough to tell Daniel that she was on the island before, she was Dharma, explains why she was happy when she found the Dharma polar bear collar in the desert. Also, Miles accused her at the end of last season of being born on the island. And why Charlotte said she has been looking for this island her whole life to Daniel as he was shuttling people on the Zodiac. All true, from Season 4. She moved away from the island with her mother, never saw her father again who was probably killed in the purge, her mother denied this island existed, and that she just NOW remembers a crazy man warned her to never come back to the island, that she would die, and that man was you. Now, that’s a plot twist. I have little doubt this is related to the opening scene of this season, when Daniel was sneaking around in the Orchid as a Dharma worker. When he got to this time frame, Charlotte was probably on the island, and he tried to warn her to stay away. In this case, this was a major event, and Daniel was not able to prevent what happened, happens. The island simply didn’t want Charlotte to stay away. And so many characters have memories that are conveniently remembering randomly NOW about some fact that is important.

 

Locke is preparing to climb down the rope into the well. Jin doesn’t want Sun to come back, threatens the rope, then hands over his ring, tell her I’m dead because the island is bad. I guess I’d be shaken up too if I just saw a monster drag somebody underground, a bunch of sick people shot to death, have been time traveling all day, and see Charlotte speak to him in tongues. Yeah, I might be freaked out too. Locke promises he won’t bring Sun back, knowing full well that he will be dead, so it will probably be somebody else, like Ben, bringing her back. Sneaky. Juliet again gives off the vibe that she knows exactly what is happening and will happen tells Locke, “For what you are attempting to do if it actually works, thank you.”. Let’s compare that to Jack and Sun. If Ben is wrong, let’s kill him. And down Locke goes. Uh, oh, the time jump happens as Locke is swinging from his rope. From last week’s writeup…

Revisiting the Jungle 6, Locke hatches a plan to return to the Orchid, but no idea what to do when they get there. You know, this probably isn’t very bright. If they go into the hatch, and time jump to a time before the hatch was built, would they just leap inside the ground, basically burying themselves alive?

…and we see the bright light at the bottom of the well as the sky turns bright, and John finds out what is at the bottom of the well, the hard way. The Jungle 7, now Jungle 6 are horrified to see the rope leading into the ground and the well gone. Now, considering the difficulty in constructing a well, and no Orchid station around, the Jungle folks are no doubt deep in the past. Daniel tells Charlotte that Desmond will find his mother and they will help us. Well, sparky, you better hope for some really, really, really quick help, because Charlotte mumbles about chocolate before dinner, and dies. Of course, without Daniel ever kissing her or going on a date or at the very least having sex. Daniel is devastated that the woman he loves is dead. Oh, by the way, Happy Valentine’s Day everybody!!!! Charlotte Staples Lewis was a reference to C.S. Lewis, noted author, who conjured up a series of children’s books loosely based on the New Testament of the Bible, otherwise know as the Chronicles of Narnia. The premise was a group of youngsters stumbling onto a hidden world of magic and miracles, where time moved in a very different way than their own native world. Charlotte’s last words of chocolate reminded me so much of Edmund asking the White Witch for Turkish Delight, a kind of sweet treat in the book The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. Anyway, she’s dead. Charlotte was about as popular as Nikki and Paulo, our favorite buried alive Losties. I felt as much sadness as watching a mango fall out of a tree.

 

Locke is in pain at the bottom of the well, and nobody is coming to rescue baby Jessica. Seems like Locke gets a hell of a lot of leg injuries, for a guys that shouldn’t be walking. Hey, it’s Christian, out and about, away from Jacob’s Cabin, not that the cabin has been built yet by Horace Goodspeed in the future, and the disappearance of the well most likely predates Dharma. So Christian is hanging out in the chamber of the frozen donkey wheel instead. I wonder if Christian is time jumping as well, afterall, he is in the past, much sooner than when he arrived in a coffin on the island. Let’s face it, when Jack found the coffin of his father during Season 1, he never found the corpse. He saw him walking around in the jungle. Is Christian reincarnated, or simply the island/Jacob spokesman, a manifestation? “I said that YOU had to move the island”. Well, we don’t know for sure if he did or not. If you recall, at the end of last Season, Locke asked Christian “What do we need to do to save the island?”. Christian told him this was the correct question. But next we see Locke emerge from the cabin to tell Ben and Hurley, “WE have to move the island.” We never saw anybody specific cited as the person that needs to move the island. Locke stammers out “Ben said….” And Christian delivers a powerful statement “Since when did listening to him get you anywhere worth a damn?” Sweet. Now we are getting somewhere. This is as clear of argument you can make for the island course correcting itself, to undue the damage Ben did. The island is pissed off at Ben, and pissed off Locke listened to Ben. So Ben was/is trying to manipulate the island. If Ben comes back with the Oceanic 6 and possibly others (Walt, Desmond, Frank), he is going to be in a world of trouble, if Jacob is unhappy with him for his shenanigans. So, if Ben a good guy? Well, for sure, he is competing with Kate as the most selfish character on the show at this point, even though Ben tends to do more good works as opposed to, say, Charles Widmore, and Locke is the run away winner of most easily manipulated. It’s almost like the island was stuck with Ben because he was less evil than Widmore, bt when Locke came along, here was a true champion for the island instead of a competition of who is the least evil between Ben and Charles. While Locke was absolutely correct in his instinct of going back to the Orchid to fix everything, he was too driven by pride as the man to lead the Others carrot that Ben dangled in front of him to see that Ben was still pulling his strings. You must visit a woman in LA, Eloise Hawkings. Los Angeles again!! Hawkings again!!! The whole world is headed to her church for Woodstock 2009. John has to bring back all of them, sacrifice his life, fix the donkey wheel, all without any help getting up. Christian no doubt is trying to teach Locke a lesson on stopping his annoying habit of depending on other people. The wheel is going back and forth, slipping on it’s axis. Was this because Ben moved it instead of Locke, or because Ben purposely disobeyed the Dr Chang instructions on the orientation tape in the Orchid station. Still, this bottom of the well chamber looked different than the one that Ben was inside at the very end of last season. It seems that Locke is on the OTHER side of the wall, the opposite side of the frozen wall and chamber. After all, only a part of the wheel is showing, so it’s certainly plausible. Locke fixes the wheel, and as he starts to disappear, Christian tells Locke to say hello to my son for me, to which Locke is baffled since he has no idea Christian is Jack’s father. Sawyer knows who Christian is and is Jack‘s father, based on Season 1 and meeting him a bar, but I don’t think anybody else does, except for maybe Kate, if Jack told her. And where is Claire this season? Odd how characters can just disappear like that. Ben arrives with his motley crew at the Hawkings church. He presents Sun with Jin’s ring, which Locke gave to Ben. Apparently, Locke kept his word not to visit Sun. Desmond walks out of the shadows and says howdy. Ben is very surprised. What are you doing here? Same as you, looking for Faraday’s mother. Ben is thunderstruck. He had zero idea that Eloise Hawkings was Daniel Faraday’s mother, unlike many of the Lost fans who had this pegged during the Season 5 opening two episodes. Ben brings the group inside, and Hawkings tells them let’s get started.

 

That’s it for this week. I need to get busy gift wrapping a Valentine’s Day gift for the Smoke Monster. Maybe a Whitman’s Sampler of chocolate covered French arms.

[cribdog 0]

Very nice...per usual. One small correction regarding the nose bleeds. When you say "So, aside from tracking down the back stories of Charlotte and Miles, why not Daniel? Is he special like Desmond? Because he time traveled in the past, and can handle the side effects?", Desmond did get the nose bleeds even though he was special. They went away once he talked to his constant, Penny.

 

What a great episode this was. Ben pulling over and berating Jack and Sun was classic.

[phillybear 365]

Very nice...per usual. One small correction regarding the nose bleeds. When you say "So, aside from tracking down the back stories of Charlotte and Miles, why not Daniel? Is he special like Desmond? Because he time traveled in the past, and can handle the side effects?", Desmond did get the nose bleeds even though he was special. They went away once he talked to his constant, Penny.

 

What a great episode this was. Ben pulling over and berating Jack and Sun was classic.

 

I absolutely acknowledge that Desmond got nose bleeds. I thought about that. I would argue that this was off the island. I wonder if time traveling OFF the island prepares you for time traveling ON the island. Therefore, I wonder if Desmond would be bleeding at this point, even though he was on the island longer than Juliet and Sawyer.