Bobby Jindal

[KSB2424 3,174]

[Me_2006 14]

 

 

need to find out more about him, but he spoke well and made some very good points.

[FlaHawker 24]

Delivery not so great, I didn't need some of the dorky stories, but the message about relying more on people and less on goverment right on point

[KSB2424 3,174]

Delivery not so great, I didn't need some of the dorky stories, but the message about relying more on people and less on goverment right on point

Yeah, some of those stories were a little much. Teetering on nerdy. However not only did he take a shot at the stimulus, but at past repubs (Bush) as well. He came across as a new age repub that is getting back to true conservative roots.

 

I'm making an early prediction. Bobby Jindal will be a VP candidate in 2012.

[Strike 6,109]

need to find out more about him, but he spoke well and made some very good points.

 

You really think so? I found him very hard to listen to, especially compared to Obama. First time I've heard him and I've heard he's normally a lot better but I think he was overwhelmed by the moment.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Message was good...delivery was very weird and he may have cost himself a shot at the presidency that quickly.

[Strike 6,109]

I'm making an early prediction. Bobby Jindal will be a VP candidate in 2012.

 

You really think Palin will pick him?

[KSB2424 3,174]

You really think so? I found him very hard to listen to, especially compared to Obama. First time I've heard him and I've heard he's normally a lot better but I think he was overwhelmed by the moment.

While I don't think he spoke as well as Obama, he was far from "hard to listen too". I give him a C on delivery, but an A on message. He is what? 37 years old. A future player if you ask me that will only get better at speaking with time. I think a Presidential run in 2012 is to much to early, but I can see him being a strong VP candidate. Hell, how much better would he have been this year over Palin?

 

I guess I listen more to the message (issues) of a speech, than the delivery though.

[Bert 1,129]

If he can manage to unfock Louisiana I'll vote for him.

[jgcrawfish 232]

If he can manage to unfock Louisiana I'll vote for him.

 

nobody can manage to unfock Louisiana....

[Franknbeans 46]

the GOP is screwed

[Bert 1,129]

nobody can manage to unfock Louisiana....

 

I know it is hard to over come 100 years of democratic leadership but maybe....

[BLS 315]

He was a joke. It was like Romper Room.

[KSB2424 3,174]

He was a joke. It was like Romper Room.

Care to expound?

 

Did you not like the little stories, or his delivery? Or did you disagree with the message?

[WahooJim 4]

 

I didn't know he was speaking. What was the venue/occasion?

[KSB2424 3,174]

I didn't know he was speaking. What was the venue/occasion?

After the Obama speech last night he was the designated choice for the "Republican Response Speech" or whatever the hell you call it. Same thing that the Dems used to do after Bush gave his speeches. He spoke from his Goveners Mansion.

[Lackman 0]

He was adorable. He looked like a grownup version of a Tickle Me Elmo doll.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Man, that was Brutal. You know its bad when even Fox thinks you sucked. David Brooks - big time conservative just raked him over the coals.

 

That sucks. I liked the little I knew about the guy, but that speech won't help him one bit. I kept waiting to ask "won't you be my neighbor?"

 

And the fact check on the volcano thing he brought up - oof, bad idea. Someone should have vetted that. It was on a list of GOP talking points, but most Repubs had enough sense not to touch that.

 

I'm not sure why the GOP feels like they need to cater to the stupid. They lost five million voters this last time. That trick doesn't work. It'd be nice if they didn't talk to us like we're all retarded. - Jindal took it to a whole new level.

[mighty_thor 115]

He sounded amateurish. No way this guy gets elected president if he does not improve his presentation. He sounded weak and uncomfortable. This is a guy who needs to be seen as a leader. I had never heard him speak but had heard he was the next great republican hope. i was totally underwhelmed. It kind of sounded like he was speaking to a group of children instead of the American public.

[Franknbeans 46]

Rebuttal

 

Epic fail

[NewbieJr 541]

You know what they say...it's a copy-cat league.

[KSB2424 3,174]

He sounded amateurish. No way this guy gets elected president if he does not improve his presentation.

Is he really considered a Presidential candidate or something? I know this may be hard to believe but I don't watch Fox News, or listen to political radio or stuff like that. I just assumed he was a young Repub that they designated to retort against the stimulus bill speech that Obama gave. Didn't realize he was making a claim for POTUS.

[Me_2006 14]

You really think so? I found him very hard to listen to, especially compared to Obama. First time I've heard him and I've heard he's normally a lot better but I think he was overwhelmed by the moment.

I dunno. He just seemed "real" while speaking. Not trained and prompted or like a babbling idiot trying to be cute like Palin. He wasn't Obama, but that's part of the appeal. I'm already tired of being talked at while the opposite of what comes out of his mouth is happening. Maybe he was a little dorky, and maybe the entire hip-hop community won't ###### themselves out to how cool he is, but he seems to have good ideas and be himself.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Epic fail

I just looked at your link. It's very first quote was from Chris Matthews so I stopped reading.

[wiffleball 4,799]

While I don't think he spoke as well as Obama, he was far from "hard to listen too". I give him a C on delivery, but an A on message. He is what? 37 years old. A future player if you ask me that will only get better at speaking with time. I think a Presidential run in 2012 is to much to early, but I can see him being a strong VP candidate. Hell, how much better would he have been this year over Palin?

 

I guess I listen more to the message (issues) of a speech, than the delivery though.

 

I know you don't like looking up stuff that disagrees with your mindset, but you should spend a little time googling the reaction to Jindal. - Wasn't good.

 

Here's a video of David Brooks. Man, even Palin didn't get this kind of reaction from the conservatives.

 

LEHRER: How well did he do?

 

BROOKS: Not so well. You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician, and I opposed the stimulus package - I thought it was poorly drafted - but to come up at this moment in history with a stale, "government is the problem...we can't trust the government"...it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic, now. They may not like the way the Congress passed the stimulus bill. The idea that government is going to have no role in this...in a moment where only the Federal government is big enough to do stuff...to just ignore all that and say government's the problem...corruption, earmarks, wasteful spending - it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate: some people say the Republican party lost its way because it got too moderate, some people say they got too weird or too conservative. He thinks they got too moderate, and he's making that case. I think it's insane. I think it's a disaster for the party. I just think it's unfortunate right now.

 

You mentioned content- Bringing up Katrina as a reason why you can't trust Government when it occurred on the GOP's watch is just a bad bad idea - When you're angling to the the GOP standard bearer.

 

Even Fox panned the speech - and they defended Palin to the bitter end. That should give you some idea as to the overall reaction.

[mighty_thor 115]

Is he really considered a Presidential candidate or something? I know this may be hard to believe but I don't watch Fox News, or listen to political radio or stuff like that. I just assumed he was a young Repub that they designated to retort against the stimulus bill speech that Obama gave. Didn't realize he was making a claim for POTUS.

 

He is being hyped as one of the rising stars of the republicans. I don't watch fox either but after the election there was a lot of soul searching by the republicans about where the party should go and who should lead them. Jindal's name was mentioned a lot as a rising star.

[BLS 315]

Care to expound?

 

Did you not like the little stories, or his delivery? Or did you disagree with the message?

 

His delivery was borderline condescending. It's tough to explain, but everybody seems to think the same thing.

It was like he was reading a bedtime story to a bunch of 1st graders. It was BRUTAL to watch.

[Franknbeans 46]

I just looked at your link. It's very first quote was from Chris Matthews so I stopped reading.

that's on you

[wiffleball 4,799]

His delivery was borderline condescending. It's tough to explain, but everybody seems to think the same thing.

It was like he was reading a bedtime story to a bunch of 1st graders. It was BRUTAL to watch.

 

Borderline is being generous. Geebus Christ, "let me tell you a story"? You'd have to be retarded not to feel talked down to.

 

Pretty much the universal internet reaction was "Kenneth the Page".

[KSB2424 3,174]

I know you don't like looking up stuff that disagrees with your mindset, but you should spend a little time googling the reaction to Jindal. - Wasn't good.

 

Here's a video of David Brooks. Man, even Palin didn't get this kind of reaction from the conservatives.

 

LEHRER: How well did he do?

You mentioned content- Bringing up Katrina as a reason why you can't trust Government when it occurred on the GOP's watch is just a bad bad idea - When you're angling to the the GOP standard bearer.

 

Even Fox panned the speech - and they defended Palin to the bitter end. That should give you some idea as to the overall reaction.

See, I know you prolly don't believe this, but I don't care what the media said nor do I hardly ever watch those news shows or radio. That is not research. I go on what I think, not follow what others think. It's not a sheepesh mindset. I thought the fact that he dumbed down "true" conservative points like letting the people and the private sector do what they want with their own money and not bigger gov't was key. He even kinda took a shot at Bush for not doing this. I could care less what the media says, I am going on my own reaction.

 

I know you don't like looking up stuff that disagrees with your mindset, but you should spend a little time googling the reaction to Jindal

Why do I have to look up something on the internet to tell me what I think? I started this thread to see what geeks thought of the speech. Not what Chris Matthews or some media guy thought.

[Me_2006 14]

that's on you

no really. The same guy who "got goosebumps" and acted like a giddy little schoolgirl when Obama spoke is NOT who I want to hear making fun of Jindal. I realize he didn't do so great on such a big stage, but the mocking of him was expected well before he opened his mouth.

[Franknbeans 46]

no really. The same guy who "got goosebumps" and acted like a giddy little schoolgirl when Obama spoke is NOT who I want to hear making fun of Jindal. I realize he didn't do so great on such a big stage, but the mocking of him was expected well before he opened his mouth.

meaning, there were other people's opinions to gauge how it went but I understand now that KSB was not looking for those

[KSB2424 3,174]

His delivery was borderline condescending. It's tough to explain, but everybody seems to think the same thing.

It was like he was reading a bedtime story to a bunch of 1st graders. It was BRUTAL to watch.

I get that, but from you of all people I am a little dissapointed. The biggest knock on Ron Paul was that he was a terrible public speaker, and he sounded crazy, blah blah. But if you could look past that, his message was worth sifting through the "bad speaking".

 

I guess even you look more at "how" something is said, as opposed to "what" is said. :sadbanana:

[Me_2006 14]

Borderline is being generous. Geebus Christ, "let me tell you a story"? You'd have to be retarded not to feel talked down to.

 

Pretty much the universal internet reaction was "Kenneth the Page".

Since when is 'let me tell you a story' condescending?

 

 

Seriously. Just about every politician (especially Obama with his "let me tell you a story about a woman who sent me her last 3 dollars through Western Union to help the campaign, or about the mother who can't afford healthcare that i talked to in Maine" or whatever) does that. Why the negative reaction now?

[Me_2006 14]

meaning, there were other people's opinions to gauge how it went but I understand now that KSB was not looking for those

Gotcha. Just making sure you weren't inferring Matthews was a solid source on this issue.

[mighty_thor 115]

Since when is 'let me tell you a story' condescending?

Seriously. Just about every politician (especially Obama with his "let me tell you a story about a woman who sent me her last 3 dollars through Western Union to help the campaign, or about the mother who can't afford healthcare that i talked to in Maine" or whatever) does that. Why the negative reaction now?

 

Count me as one of the ones who found his tone condescending. It wasn't so much his words as his voice inflections. And some of his words just didn' go over well. what was that whole "pre existing conditions" thing about his birth? I think it was meant to be a bit of levity but I didn't get it or see what the purpose was. His stories didn't seem relevant and he did not offer any specific solutions. Just wanted to do what Bush had tried and failed with. More tax cuts. I think the republicans put Jindal in too soon. He was not ready for the spotlight yet.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Jindal Versus the Volcano

 

While some of the projects in the [stimulus] bill make sense, their legislation is larded with wasteful spending. It includes ... $140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring.' Instead of monitoring volcanoes, what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington, DC.

-- Bobby Jindal

 

Before the cataclysmic eruption, roughly one million people lived in the region around Mount Pinatubo, including about 30,000 American military personnel and their dependents at the two largest U.S. military bases in the Philippines--Clark Air Base and Subic Bay Naval Station. The slopes of the volcano and the adjacent hills and valleys were home to thousands of villagers. Despite the great number of people at risk, there were few casualties in the June 15 eruption. This was the result of intensive monitoring of Mount Pinatubo by scientists with the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (PHIVOLCS) and the USGS.

 

The first recognized signs that Pinatubo was reawakening after a 500-year slumber were a series of small steam-blast explosions in early April 1991. Scientists from PHIVOLCS immediately began on-site monitoring and soon declared a 6-mile-radius danger zone around the volcano. They were joined in a few weeks by USGS scientists from the Volcano Disaster Assistance Program, a cooperative effort with the Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance of the U.S. Agency for International Development.

 

[...]

 

The USGS and PHIVOLCS estimate that their forecasts saved at least 5,000 lives and perhaps as many as 20,000. The people living in the lowlands around Mount Pinatubo were alerted to the impending eruption by the forecasts, and many fled to towns at safer distances from the volcano or took shelter in buildings with strong roofs. Additionally, more than 18,000 American servicemen and their dependents were evacuated from Clark Air Base prior to the June 15 eruption. In the eruption, thousands of weaker roofs, including some on Clark, collapsed under the weight of ash made wet by heavy rains, yet only about 250 lowland residents were killed. Of the 20,000 indigenous Aeta highlanders who lived on the slopes of Mount Pinatubo, all but about 120 were safely evacuated before the eruption completely devastated their villages.

 

In addition to the many lives saved, property worth hundreds of millions of dollars was protected from damage or destruction in the eruption. When aircraft and other equipment at the U.S. bases were flown to safe areas or covered, losses of at least $200 to 275 million were averted. Philippine and other commercial airlines prevented at least another $50 to 100 million in damage to aircraft by taking similar actions. By heeding warnings of hazardous volcanic ash clouds from Pinatubo, commercial and military pilots avoided severe damage to their aircraft and potentially saved hundreds of lives.

-- The United States Geological Survey

 

Such a strange thing for Jindal to say, especially since he hails from the state that was ravaged by Katrina. (Which, ironically, was the subject of its own equally awkward moment). The volcano monitoring program was on a list of Republican talking points at one stage, but virtually none of them ran with it, apparently figuring that there were much better scabs to pick at.

 

And I know: I'm piling on a little. This was going to be an awfully tough speech to deliver, almost no matter what its content. With the possible exception of Jim Webb in 2007, the minority party reaction speeches have always tended toward extreme lameness.

 

I just want to know who wrote the speech and who vetted it. Because it was manifestly at odds with the talents of the guy who delivered it.

 

Stealing this from 'another site'.

 

KSB - I understand what you're saying, but there's a difference between "following along with the crowd" and gathering information from various sources that you may not have. For example, the above. There's a lot of stupid people who heard the "volcano monitoring" comment and simply mindlessly went "uh-huh -both that's a dumb thing to pay for". You KNOW there are. But, when you do some research and find something like the above, well maybe you (the general you) need to do more than just listen to words and see if they appease you.

 

And that's the problem I have with Jindal's speech, Joe the Idiot and Carribou Barbie. They say a lot of things that if you're not thinking, aren't informed, seem very populist on their face. - And no one ever bothers to do any critical analysis. - Because it's just "all about how I feel". - And most people aren't informed enough, or intelligent enough to look to sources that might be critical of who they "like". To challenge simiple messages that make them feel better.

 

So, for me, I think it's important to get reactions from all sides. I wouldn't watch MSNBC's reaction, but I DID watch Fox's reaction. When Brit Hume, David Brooks, et al thinks a GOP guy sucked, well then, that's one hell of an indicator.

[wiffleball 4,799]

Since when is 'let me tell you a story' condescending?

 

 

You'd have to be retarded not to feel talked down to.

 

Well yeah, for you? You have the intellectual heft of a paper towel. I can understand why you wouldn't feel his tone was condescending.

 

Look up nihilism and do a term paper on it.

[Lackman 0]

Borderline is being generous. Geebus Christ, "let me tell you a story"? You'd have to be retarded not to feel talked down to.

 

Pretty much the universal internet reaction was "Kenneth the Page".

 

HOPE. CHANGE. DERRRRR.

[surferskin 31]

And at the end of the day, it doesn't come down to what you say but how you say it. Maybe if it didn't, there might be a few more responses in the Obama "fact check" thread.