GettnHuge 2 Posted March 13, 2009 most importantly he is NOT partisan. You do comedy too!!! funniest statement i've seen here in a great while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 That's cool. At some point I got the impression you were one of the guys who was pretty concerned about media bias and things like agenda-serving selective outrage. My bad. What are you even saying? EVEN IF he was for the bank bailout...which you don't even have proof that he is! Why does that mean he's biased? Couldn't he have thought bailing out the banks was necessary (since everyone was screaming that it was back then) and the mortgage bailout is a bad idea without an agenda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted March 13, 2009 Whenever Tucker asks him about his show, it's about "comedy". The first "call out", he asks him about sucking up to John Kerry...no comedy involved. STEWART: ... is that the news organizations look to Comedy Central for their cues on integrity. STEWART: But my point is this. If your idea of confronting me is that I don't ask hard-hitting enough news questions, we're in bad shape, fellows. (LAUGHTER) LOL at Xfire trying to compare TDS to themselves. - And failling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 STEWART: ... is that the news organizations look to Comedy Central for their cues on integrity. STEWART: But my point is this. If your idea of confronting me is that I don't ask hard-hitting enough news questions, we're in bad shape, fellows. (LAUGHTER) LOL at Xfire trying to compare TDS to themselves. - And failling. Yeah, so what are you disputing? More proof that the guy from a "comedy show" can go from show to show and talk politics and dissect everyone he disagrees with and refuses to have the same microscope placed on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted March 13, 2009 Yeah, so what are you disputing? More proof that the guy from a "comedy show" can go from show to show and talk politics and dissect everyone he disagrees with and refuses to have the same microscope placed on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 790 Posted March 13, 2009 What are you even saying? EVEN IF he was for the bank bailout...which you don't even have proof that he is! Why does that mean he's biased? Couldn't he have thought bailing out the banks was necessary (since everyone was screaming that it was back then) and the mortgage bailout is a bad idea without an agenda? He didn't just say it was a bad idea, he called them "losers", which may be true in some cases, not others. It just seemed like a whole lot of invective and anger over the whole thing, clearly mostly with the intent of disparaging Obama. I would be curious to know if he held the other bailout aspects' feet to the same fire. That's what I'm saying. Now I'm done talking about the guy because I don't really give a fock. The thread isn't about the mortgage bailout. The thread is about CNBC and other financial "experts" and "analysts" and whatnot and whether they upheld their duty in putting themselves forward as such, and what kind of culpability they have for the whole mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I would be curious to know if he held the other bailout aspects' feet to the same fire. THEN WHY DON'T YOU GO FIND OUT?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Then Santelli cancels so Stewart pulls a Letterman and decides to go ape shiit agenda and slander him and anyone he is assoaciated with. Now I'm not saying Stewart doesn't bring up some valid points as CNBC sucks if you ask me, but the childish reasoning behind it is stoopid. Both Steward and Cramer are idiots. But we are talking about them, so I guess it is good for business huh? I wouldn't be surprised if we find out later that the whole "feud" was made up like some kind of WWE Wrasslin' script. first off...thanks peenie for reminding me about this i talked to my little friend and he laughed and said vince and the writers ARE throwing the idea around and wondering if this is something to go after...enough of the WWE fanbase knows stewart and cramer..they loved it with trump and fat rosie..i think they are waiting to see if this dies after a week or becomes media talk that finally gets octofock off the tv for 1 night..id love it...wrestlemania is april 5th..will this even be a topic by then? hard to say...kind of like when they had the jackazz guys there for a week or 2...quick laughs..maybe bring in a new viewer or 20 and move on... midget? boo-yah...sell sell sell i like both...i was late to the cramer train..i watch sometimes...but i would never run and buy what he said based on him taking a ###### and hitting a big red button...but id watch it to get some ideas on stocks to think about...i dont have enough trust to put my $ into what someone says..or someone like a madoff( and hes probably not the only one..just 1 that was caught)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 The thread isn't about the mortgage bailout. The thread is about CNBC and other financial "experts" and "analysts" and whatnot and whether they upheld their duty in putting themselves forward as such, and what kind of culpability they have for the whole mess. The thread is about Stewart versus Cramer last I checked. And posting about the reason that it all got started (Stewart whining about the rant of Santilli) is a valid discussion. You don't get to pick and choose only portions that you want to discuss, and then call everything else off limits. That would be mighty John Stewart of you though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 He didn't just say it was a bad idea, he called them "losers", which may be true in some cases, not others. It just seemed like a whole lot of invective and anger over the whole thing, clearly mostly with the intent of disparaging Obama. I would be curious to know if he held the other bailout aspects' feet to the same fire. That's what I'm saying. Now I'm done talking about the guy because I don't really give a fock. The thread isn't about the mortgage bailout. The thread is about CNBC and other financial "experts" and "analysts" and whatnot and whether they upheld their duty in putting themselves forward as such, and what kind of culpability they have for the whole mess. I am doubtful that the folks here will mention it, but the impression in the media world was that Santelli's rant was not spontaneous. The thinking is that Santelli is a right wing hack that was put up to it by the Koch's as part of a right wing response to "librul media". When it came time to defend the position, Santelli has been very quiet. It will be interesting to see if CNBC cans him since some have called for that to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bishop82 61 Posted March 13, 2009 You do comedy too!!! funniest statement i've seen here in a great while I love how you retort with...facts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted March 13, 2009 I love how you retort with...facts? the whole basis of what you said is about jon stewart's opinions. I replied with my own. hth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I am doubtful that the folks here will mention it, but the impression in the media world was that Santelli's rant was not spontaneous. The thinking is that Santelli is a right wing hack that was put up to it by the Koch's as part of a right wing response to "librul media". When it came time to defend the position, Santelli has been very quiet. It will be interesting to see if CNBC cans him since some have called for that to happen. You getting more of your opinions from Rahm? Who is the "media world" you speak of? And who has called for him to be fired??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bishop82 61 Posted March 13, 2009 the whole basis of what you said is about jon stewart's opinions. I replied with my own. hth Yes, it was. But you highlighted the part of Stewart not being partisan, and said it was funny. IMPLYING, that you feel he is partisan, to which I ask how? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 790 Posted March 13, 2009 THEN WHY DON'T YOU GO FIND OUT?? Because I'm not that curious. I thought someone might be able to provide a straightforward answer. Even if he's not a hypocrite he's obviously a major jackass and I don't care to waste much time on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 Santilli fired? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That would be like HBO firing Bill Maher for only spewing liberal stuff. Dan Rather was canned because he is an actual NEWS ANCHOR. He is supposed to be unbiased, complete his due dilligence, and give the news. He was fired because he did none of those in that story. All the cable entertainment hacks are not held to the same standard, nor should they. Most of what they do is opinion based anyway. It is the same as a newspaper news article and an editorial. Do people not understand the difference? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted March 13, 2009 Yes, it was. But you highlighted the part of Stewart not being partisan, and said it was funny. IMPLYING, that you feel he is partisan, to which I ask how? well until he shows some guts, I couldn't tell you exactly how partisan he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bishop82 61 Posted March 13, 2009 well until he shows some guts, I couldn't tell you exactly how partisan he is. Fair enough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 790 Posted March 13, 2009 The thread is about Stewart versus Cramer last I checked. And posting about the reason that it all got started (Stewart whining about the rant of Santilli) is a valid discussion. You don't get to pick and choose only portions that you want to discuss, and then call everything else off limits. That would be mighty John Stewart of you though. Okay, allow me to rephrase; I don't really give a fock whether I think he's right about the mortgage bailout or not, and consider it fairly irrelevant to the actual issues I would give a fock about. HTH. If you guys want to have another thread on the mortgage bailout, knock yourselves out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 You getting more of your opinions from Rahm? Who is the "media world" you speak of? And who has called for him to be fired??? There was a lot of broo-hah-hah over the supposed scripting in that bastion of news called ... wait for it.... Playboy. Several others picked up on it, including the NYTimes. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/business...3&ref=media I think that it is much ado about nothing and Santelli was saying what he thought in an enteraining manner (even if some of his facts may not have been straight). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 Santilli fired? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That would be like HBO firing Bill Maher for only spewing liberal stuff. Dan Rather was canned because he is an actual NEWS ANCHOR. He is supposed to be unbiased, complete his due dilligence, and give the news. He was fired because he did none of those in that story. All the cable entertainment hacks are not held to the same standard, nor should they. Most of what they do is opinion based anyway. It is the same as a newspaper news article and an editorial. Do people not understand the difference? I think that his contract is up soon and he has not been renewed (yet). I would think that it would be odd for them to fire him, but they might have him lay low for a bit now that they have received the exposure that they got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I think that his contract is up soon and he has not been renewed. I would think that it would be odd for them to fire him, but they might have him lay low for a bit now that they have received the exposure that they got. Firing a guy for expressing his opinion, would prove a lot people right about "media bias". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 Firing a guy for expressing his opinion, would prove a lot people right about "media bias". What? What about Dononvan McNabb and Limbaugh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 What? What about Dononvan McNabb and Limbaugh? Rush shouldn't have been fired either but not really sure why you think these 2 situations are similar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 Rush shouldn't have been fired either but not really sure why you think these 2 situations are similar. I think he was just making a funny. :sadbanana: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 Rush shouldn't have been fired either but not really sure why you think these 2 situations are similar. People get canned for voicing their opinions all the time. That is all I was saying. I can't imagine that they would do that, but they might want a scapegoat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,701 Posted March 13, 2009 John Lebowitz, aka, John Stewart is a hack for Obama and all things democrat. He has a staff of forty writers who do most of his thinking at the daily Show. He b!tched and moaned when the right used montages of what Obama was saying during the campaign, but then goes on his show and does the same exact thing to Mc Cain. If you think he is bipartisan, you're drinking the window cleaner! I lost money listening to Cramer once. Once! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 I think he was just making a funny. :sadbanana: I thought that the would give it away. Apparently not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I thought that the would give it away. Apparently not. It was hard to tell that it was joke because it was out of place...and not funny. People get canned for voicing their opinions all the time. That is all I was saying. I can't imagine that they would do that, but they might want a scapegoat. They fired Rush because of the race card obviously. It was more than just expressing his opinion. Also, why would CNBC need a scapegoat? If anything he's probably increased their ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted March 13, 2009 I just find it ironic that Stewart does to politics what Cramer does to economics... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 Also, why would CNBC need a scapegoat? Which brings us full circle. Talk bad about Obama and they come after you like a pack of dogs. It's like Will Munny in Unforgiven : Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife. All his friends. Burn his damn house down. Don't fock with the Messiah!@#~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,032 Posted March 13, 2009 Yeah, so what are you disputing? More proof that the guy from a "comedy show" can go from show to show and talk politics and dissect everyone he disagrees with and refuses to have the same microscope placed on him. I don't watch all of Stewart's appearances but he didn't go on THAT show to talk politics. Just like he doesn't seriously talk economics. He was there begging them to actually do their focking jobs. I think we'd all be a lot better off if all those political hack shows weren't biased and actually approached issues in an unbiased manner and not through partisan goggles. It was, and still is, a great message Stewart was trying to send. It's a shame you don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted March 13, 2009 Which brings us full circle. Talk bad about Obama and they come after you like a pack of dogs. It's like Will Munny in Unforgiven : Don't fock with the Messiah!@#~! I knew that this would somehow be turned into something about Obama. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I don't watch all of Stewart's appearances but he didn't go on THAT show to talk politics. Just like he doesn't seriously talk economics. He was there begging them to actually do their focking jobs. I think we'd all be a lot better off if all those political hack shows weren't biased and actually approached issues in an unbiased manner and not through partisan goggles. It was, and still is, a great message Stewart was trying to send. It's a shame you don't see it. What was his message? That crossfire should bring us together as nation, instead of dividing us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 I don't watch all of Stewart's appearances but he didn't go on THAT show to talk politics. Just like he doesn't seriously talk economics. He was there begging them to actually do their focking jobs. I think we'd all be a lot better off if all those political hack shows weren't biased and actually approached issues in an unbiased manner and not through partisan goggles. It was, and still is, a great message Stewart was trying to send. It's a shame you don't see it. No, I see it. It is just that from one hack to another it is kinda funny is all. It goes back to the difference to a hack and a serious journalist. I expect my serious journalists to actually approached issues in an unbiased manner and not through partisan goggles. And I expect the cable hacks to offer their biased opinions. The only "grey" area is people like Chris Mathews who claim to be true unbiased journalists but are really hacks. THOSE are the types that should be called out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted March 13, 2009 I knew that this would somehow be turned into something about Obama. Well done. Can't get anything past this guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,174 Posted March 13, 2009 I knew that this would somehow be turned into something about Obama. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy1 0 Posted March 13, 2009 I don't watch all of Stewart's appearances but he didn't go on THAT show to talk politics. Just like he doesn't seriously talk economics. He was there begging them to actually do their focking jobs. I think we'd all be a lot better off if all those political hack shows weren't biased and actually approached issues in an unbiased manner and not through partisan goggles. It was, and still is, a great message Stewart was trying to send. It's a shame you don't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 6,032 Posted March 13, 2009 Normally I'd be offended to find a guy giving me the wub emoticon, but it is ghey Friday the 13th after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
