Cutler To Da Bears!

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Jay Cutler is one awesome, brilliant, and talented quarterback

 

[Admiral Awesome 0]

 

He's better than eighty percent of the other starting quarterbacks and this is his third year as a starter. He won't do as well in a horrible Chicago offense, but he's definitely better than Kyle Orton or any other Bears quarterback in my opinion.

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He's better than eighty percent of the other starting quarterbacks and this is his third year as a starter. He won't do as well in a horrible Chicago offense, but he's definitely better than Kyle Orton or any other Bears quarterback in my opinion.

 

He has a stronger arm, but arm strength doesn't translate into victories. You said he was awesome, brilliant, and talented...but does such a description match a quarterback who trailed only Brett Favre last season for the most interceptions thrown? Cutler's INT totals have been going up every year he's been in the NFL (and that was before getting traded to the Bears who are inferior offensively to what he had in Denver). There's also the issue of his attitude, which definitely matters when you're talking about the quarterback position. You'll never hear anyone criticize Orton for being a spoiled prima donna. But maybe you think he's better since he went to the Pro Bowl. Like that's a valid measure of someone's ability. Clinton Portis went to the Pro Bowl last season too, instead of DeAngelo Williams, despite the fact that Williams lead the NFL in rushing TDs (twice as many as Portis, 18 to 9) and had more rushing yardage than Portis. The Pro Bowl voting is more about popularity than talent so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick. But you still think Cutler is better for this team...and I ask, how? On what basis? The fact he's failed to lead any of his teams to the playoffs? Wait, forget the playoffs, how about just a winning record?! No, he hasn't done that either. So, aside from throwing lots of interceptions, being a spoiled brat, and failing to lead a team to a winning season...yeah, I guess he's awesome, brilliant, and talented

[FeelingMN 273]

I love the 13-1 stat when Denver's defense held opponents to 21 or fewer points. As if his defense was solely responsible for losing games. They did suck, make no mistake, but looking at the games Denver lost last year (8 games), Cutler threw 8 TDs and 13 ints. It's not like he was forced to throw and the offense became predictable. That was the offense in 2008. Throw. Throw. Throw.

 

As a Cutler owner last year, I was all too aware of his streakiness. When the dude was on, my team was unbeatable. But there were games where he'd disappear completely. I know there's a few owners out there who know what I'm talking about.

 

I like Cutler as a QB. I think this move is as much about exciting the fan base as it is about addressing a problem area historically. But the guy is far from an elite QB. Manning, Brady, Brees don't disappear for half the season. And those guys know how to win. They make everyone around them better.

 

Can anyone seriously say that about Cutler? Sure he has huge potential, but the dude still has things to work on. Listening to some posters here it's like the Bears just traded for Joe Focking Montana. Get real folks. He's a good QB, not a great one.

 

I don't see the Bears improving upon their 9-7 record. I don't see them getting worse though. I say status quo next year, with the possibility of improvement in 2-3 years IF they assemble a potent offense AND they shore up their aging defense.

 

It's funny, you just traded for a franchise QB and yet your window didn't get any wider. In fact it might start closing in a season or two.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Posted on the geek bored but read some good stuff here, too. The Bears have to be happy about their situation with Cutler. Who were they going to get with their first round pick this year that was going to make them feel like they had a shot to beat Minnesota and the Pack over the next few years? Minnesota and Green Bay both have very strong collections of young (and even proven) talent and should be two of the best teams in the NFC over the next five years, IMO. The fact that the Bears have Cutler means they'll have a shot in all those division games. Cutler may not have the receivers or complete system that he had in Denver but he made players better around him by taking over the offense, when needed (thinking immediately about the first San Diego game where Denver's D couldn't stop SD and Shanny went for two to keep SD's offense off the field). It already seems to be accepted here that Marshall's numbers will go down with anyone but Cutler at the helm in Denver. Therefore, shouldn't it be readily accepted that Cutler will also improve the receivers in Chicago?

 

Look at the overall picture. Denver's defense has been shiot since Cutler came to town. The running game hasn't been much better. When Elway had the team riding on his shoulders, he didn't win a Super Bowl - even though fans recognized his talent. Favre couldn't carry his team when the talent sucked. Neither could Warner and a lot of other QBs. Cutler can't carry a shiot team either.

 

Cutler will surely lose a few three interception games, but at least the Bears have a solid defense that should almost always give him a chance. Going into a close 4th quarter in those division games, I'd sure as hell rather have Cutler than Tavaris Jackson or Aaron Rodgers.

 

From a Broncos standpoint, I guess at least they made a deal before the bottom fell out. I don't see how it's not rebuilding time for the next couple years, at least. Not used going into the NFL season when the Broncos aren't legitimate contenders in the division. Having watched Cutler fairly closely since he was drafted, I'm disappointed that it came to this. I always thought Cutler would win at least one Super Bowl while in town. Although I've never been a Bears fan, I expect Cutler will win at least one in Chicago.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Interesting trade. The Broncos got a lot for Cutler, but the Bears finally have a QB. Now, do they have receivers that can help that offense be good?

[surferskin 30]

I love the 13-1 stat when Denver's defense held opponents to 21 or fewer points. As if his defense was solely responsible for losing games. They did suck, make no mistake, but looking at the games Denver lost last year (8 games), Cutler threw 8 TDs and 13 ints. It's not like he was forced to throw and the offense became predictable. That was the offense in 2008. Throw. Throw. Throw.

 

As a Cutler owner last year, I was all too aware of his streakiness. When the dude was on, my team was unbeatable. But there were games where he'd disappear completely. I know there's a few owners out there who know what I'm talking about.

 

I like Cutler as a QB. I think this move is as much about exciting the fan base as it is about addressing a problem area historically. But the guy is far from an elite QB. Manning, Brady, Brees don't disappear for half the season. And those guys know how to win. They make everyone around them better.

 

Can anyone seriously say that about Cutler? Sure he has huge potential, but the dude still has things to work on. Listening to some posters here it's like the Bears just traded for Joe Focking Montana. Get real folks. He's a good QB, not a great one.

 

I don't see the Bears improving upon their 9-7 record. I don't see them getting worse though. I say status quo next year, with the possibility of improvement in 2-3 years IF they assemble a potent offense AND they shore up their aging defense.

 

It's funny, you just traded for a franchise QB and yet your window didn't get any wider. In fact it might start closing in a season or two.

 

I'm not sure when Cutler became a QB that can be relied upon for the next 10 years but maybe I missed it. To me he's still got a lot of growing to do before he's labeled "elite". While it's true that there's a serious lack of quality QB's in the league, that's not a reason to elevate the status of a guy like Cutler before he actually proves anything.

 

It's quite possible that I could totally be wrong and Cutler could be great for the Bears but IMO, too much is being traded away for "potential". I think that if you're going to pony up this many quality draft picks for a player...that player better be a slam dunk to be great. Add to fact that he lacks maturity, makes me like the trade even less.

 

Coming from a Redskin that is anything but sold on our QB. I didn't even want to give up Jason Campbell and our #13th pick for Cutler. But I think the Skins and Bears are in similar positions, with multiple areas of need and I don't see trading away picks that could address those needs, will make them better.

[Gepetto 1,370]

He has a stronger arm, but arm strength doesn't translate into victories. You said he was awesome, brilliant, and talented...but does such a description match a quarterback who trailed only Brett Favre last season for the most interceptions thrown? Cutler's INT totals have been going up every year he's been in the NFL (and that was before getting traded to the Bears who are inferior offensively to what he had in Denver). There's also the issue of his attitude, which definitely matters when you're talking about the quarterback position. You'll never hear anyone criticize Orton for being a spoiled prima donna. But maybe you think he's better since he went to the Pro Bowl. Like that's a valid measure of someone's ability. Clinton Portis went to the Pro Bowl last season too, instead of DeAngelo Williams, despite the fact that Williams lead the NFL in rushing TDs (twice as many as Portis, 18 to 9) and had more rushing yardage than Portis. The Pro Bowl voting is more about popularity than talent so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick. But you still think Cutler is better for this team...and I ask, how? On what basis? The fact he's failed to lead any of his teams to the playoffs? Wait, forget the playoffs, how about just a winning record?! No, he hasn't done that either. So, aside from throwing lots of interceptions, being a spoiled brat, and failing to lead a team to a winning season...yeah, I guess he's awesome, brilliant, and talented

 

you're clueless dude

[surferskin 30]

you're clueless dude

Yeah, you've never been wrong about QB's.

 

See: Tony Romo

[Sho Nuff 720]

Nice move for the Bears finally getting a legit QB...that franchise needed it. They still have work to do on the line and at WR.

 

Denver got quite a bit so at least they got someone to pony up quite a bit.

 

Terrible that it came to this...both sides again screwed the pooch here.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm thrilled with this deal. The bears still have another 3rd rounder, so that helps.

 

Wow

 

While Denver got good pick value, the deal throws them into rebuild mode and they will likely be a top 10 pick next year.

 

Expect Pace to be signed and hopefully a vet WR like Holt or Harrison. Cutler should attract them somewhat.

 

A do nothing off season was just righted with this move.

 

Holt will likely sign with TN or Jax soon.

Pace might be ok...he might last about 5 games.

 

Nice move for Cutler though.

[Gepetto 1,370]

Yeah, you've never been wrong about QB's.

 

See: Tony Romo

 

Oh please. I hope you're not serious. In summer of 2007, I said draft Tony Romo in your FF leagues or miss out and went on to be the #2 fantasy player behind Tom Brady.

[surferskin 30]

Oh please. I hope you're not serious. In summer of 2007, I said draft Tony Romo in your FF leagues or miss out and went on to be the #2 fantasy player behind Tom Brady.

I'm serious. You went from Tony Romo superfan to questioning if he have what it takes pretty recently, right?

[IndyFan 2]

Interesting posts. I can see both sides of this debate. I would be in favor of this trade if I was a Bears fan for the following reasons :

 

1) A lot of first round picks are busts - Leaf, Couch, Ware, Ki-Jana Carter, Schlickter, Akili Smith, McNown, McGuire, Marinovich, Ramsey - NEED MORE ? Katzenmoyer, Carruth, Drunkenmiller, Dunbar, Phillips, Snow

 

2) Cutler is a proven NFL starter with a ton of upside

 

3) Cutler has the strong arm necessary to deal with Chicago winter winds

 

4) They still have a 2nd and two 3rds to fill wr, cb and dl needs - they could even package those picks if they want to move up.

 

All in all agood trade for both sides. Denver gets a chance to rebuild if they don't screw up the picks and Chicago gets what I consider to be a franchise Qb.

[Gepetto 1,370]

I'm serious. You went from Tony Romo superfan to questioning if he have what it takes pretty recently, right?

 

Oh yea, that's true. He's faded in December. And everyone blamed T.O. and Jason Garrett instead of Romo, except this board. He's still top 10 QB.

[Belushi 9]

As a GB fan, I think it's a great move for Chicago. To move some draft picks for a proven thing? That's an easy decision. Two firsts? Chances are one would be a bust anyway, so you give up a 1st for a sure-thing at QB in Cutler. You could spend that first on a QB, have him bust, and then have to spend another first on his replacement. Sure, it would be great to get two pro-bowl players with those picks, but how often does that happen? Chicago's QB play has held them back for years. Imagine if they'd had Cutler instead of Grossman in their SB year? Think it would have turned out the same?

 

Now Chicago has an elite QB, a potentially elite RB, a very good TE, and they've got an O-line that's starting to look pretty good. The D has the talent to come together. The only glaring hole is WR, where Cutler has his college buddy and a good deep threat in Hester. It would be great if they could add Holt, but they don't need it.

 

The division just got allot more difficult, as the Vikes are already pretty good (and now have a real QB), and I expect the Packers to start winning some of those games that were close losses last year.

 

Sadly for Detroit, it will be another year of rebuilding. But lots of good, young talent in the division that should make it competitive for years to come.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Its a good trade for both.

 

Denver got a lot for a situation that just wasn't going to work.

 

Bears gave a lot, but instead of searching another 10 years for a decent QB they at the very least got a guy with all the talent. He is 25 years old, a good % of the greats were immature at age 25. If he can narrow his focus and continue to work at mastering the mental aspect of playing QB he could easily be a top 5 QB in the league soon.

[DeepBlue 0]

I like Cutler....especially for the Bears and their terrible QB history... I just would have felt awkward saying something nice off the bat

.....and with the Bears terrible history of first-round draft choices, it's like they're giving up practically nothing

Exactly! When you consider the following:

 

2008 - Chris Williams - 1 season, ?

2007 - Greg Olsen - 2 seasons, looks good

2006 - None

2005 - Cedric Benson - No longer on team

2004 - Tommie Harris - 5 seasons, pro bowl

2003 - Michael Haynes - No longer on team or in league

2002 - Marc Colombo - No longer on team started 4 years, 7 starts

2001 - David Terrell - No longer on team or in league

2000 - Brian Urlacher - 9 seasons with the bears, pro bowl

1999 - Cade McNown - No longer on team or in league

1998 - Curtis Enis - No longer on team or in league

1997 - John Allred - No longer on team or in league

1996 - Walt Harris - 6 seasons with the bears

1995 - Rashaan Salaam - No longer on team or in league

 

I think Denver should have asked for more. The Bears could have statistically given up 3.25 1st rounders for Cutler, that's about how many drafts it takes them to get a decent player in the first round. So I see this totally as pure win!

 

Oh and to make a more logical point, franchise quarterbacks are few and far between. Why Denver wanted to get rid of him in the first place is beyond me. However, I think the Bears did the right thing, you don't see guys like this on the market... well ever really. Pay what you have to and move on.

[enis_44 0]

He has a stronger arm, but arm strength doesn't translate into victories. You said he was awesome, brilliant, and talented...but does such a description match a quarterback who trailed only Brett Favre last season for the most interceptions thrown? Cutler's INT totals have been going up every year he's been in the NFL (and that was before getting traded to the Bears who are inferior offensively to what he had in Denver). There's also the issue of his attitude, which definitely matters when you're talking about the quarterback position. You'll never hear anyone criticize Orton for being a spoiled prima donna. But maybe you think he's better since he went to the Pro Bowl. Like that's a valid measure of someone's ability. Clinton Portis went to the Pro Bowl last season too, instead of DeAngelo Williams, despite the fact that Williams lead the NFL in rushing TDs (twice as many as Portis, 18 to 9) and had more rushing yardage than Portis. The Pro Bowl voting is more about popularity than talent so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick. But you still think Cutler is better for this team...and I ask, how? On what basis? The fact he's failed to lead any of his teams to the playoffs? Wait, forget the playoffs, how about just a winning record?! No, he hasn't done that either. So, aside from throwing lots of interceptions, being a spoiled brat, and failing to lead a team to a winning season...yeah, I guess he's awesome, brilliant, and talented

I dunno, manboobs brings up some pretty good points here.

[mgs316 14]

Cutler's Denver teams were not very good, it's that simple. The record reflects the teams record, not the quarterbacks. He did fine with the crap on that team. Take into account the glimpses of brilliance he as shown, as compared to someone like JTack who has never shown any brillance, and then you try and tell me it was a bad move? You are an idiot.

[FeelingMN 273]

Cutler's Denver teams were not very good, it's that simple. The record reflects the teams record, not the quarterbacks. He did fine with the crap on that team. Take into account the glimpses of brilliance he as shown, as compared to someone like JTack who has never shown any brillance, and then you try and tell me it was a bad move? You are an idiot.

 

I assume you mean TJack.

 

Actually, TJack has shown some glimpses of brilliance: @ ARI 2008, @ DEN 2007. It's just that he can't play consistently, and at times looks pretty freaking awful.

 

I like Cutler as a QB. So far, he's shown he's got a ton of talent. But he's also shown he can play horribly in stretches. 8 TDs and 13 ints in 8 losses last year, including 2 TDs and 4 ints in the last three games.

 

And to say Cutler's Denver teams were not very good is oversimplified. Those Denver defenses were awful. The offenses he was a part of were awesome. Sure Cutler helped pile up the stats. But so did exceptional line play. So did Marshall and Royal. So did Shanny's offensive philosophy. And all these things are absent in Chicago.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Exactly! When you consider the following:

 

2008 - Chris Williams - 1 season, ?

2007 - Greg Olsen - 2 seasons, looks good

2006 - None

2005 - Cedric Benson - No longer on team

2004 - Tommie Harris - 5 seasons, pro bowl

2003 - Michael Haynes - No longer on team or in league

2002 - Marc Colombo - No longer on team started 4 years, 7 starts

2001 - David Terrell - No longer on team or in league

2000 - Brian Urlacher - 9 seasons with the bears, pro bowl

1999 - Cade McNown - No longer on team or in league

1998 - Curtis Enis - No longer on team or in league

1997 - John Allred - No longer on team or in league

1996 - Walt Harris - 6 seasons with the bears

1995 - Rashaan Salaam - No longer on team or in league

 

I think Denver should have asked for more. The Bears could have statistically given up 3.25 1st rounders for Cutler, that's about how many drafts it takes them to get a decent player in the first round. So I see this totally as pure win!

 

Oh and to make a more logical point, franchise quarterbacks are few and far between. Why Denver wanted to get rid of him in the first place is beyond me. However, I think the Bears did the right thing, you don't see guys like this on the market... well ever really. Pay what you have to and move on.

 

Wow - looking at that history, it makes one wonder why so many Bears fans leap to the defence of Jerry Angelo.

[Walter34 3]

Wow - looking at that history, it makes one wonder why so many Bears fans leap to the defence of Jerry Angelo.

 

Angelo wasnt around until around 2002 or so. He also hit many solid picks in the mid rounds. Not a draft guru, but he has performed at a b- level I would say with his 1st rounders being a C-.

 

It is an expensive price to pay, but the naysayers are claiming that Cutler is a gamble. Well, so are draft picks, not just for the Bears but across the board. A history of 1st rounders shows a staggering number of busts. Les than 50% go on to be productive starters for several years.

 

The Bears need to continue over the next two years and fill in peices through aggressive free agency and mid round picks. Losing 2 1sts does have an impact, but they need to improve via other means to mitigate that loss.

[BMoney 0]

one thing losing 2 1st does in this economy is saves the team money..sure, on paper...it seems a bit much...

 

this makes the draft MUCH easier for the bears now...

 

those who bash cutler are only doing so because of fantasy football...well..this isnt fantasy....

 

how many times did hester have to wait for passes? or have them bounce at his feet?

 

people can scoff at jay thinking he has a better arm than elway..but at least he can make that argument..not many can and in those conditions..you need an arm...

 

and yes, he can handle the weather..hes from indiana...

 

as for cutler not being good with denver..2 years ago was more remarkable than anything..they guy doesnt miss games...lets not give ol ratface shanahan too much credit..his offense was predictable...jay has a schedule full of secondaries that he can torch...

[Joey Gladstone 33]

They finally got a QB. Too bad the defense is getting tired, living off the reputation of their 2006 season. Other then Forte, there is nada on offense. I do applaud them finally having some balls and doing something drastic on offense, but I think the window is about shut.

 

I see this trade looking good for Chicago the first couple seasons, but ending up in Denver's favor in the long run.

[GhostO'VengefulHalas 0]

I assume you mean TJack.

 

Actually, TJack has shown some glimpses of brilliance: @ ARI 2008, @ DEN 2007. It's just that he can't play consistently, and at times looks pretty freaking awful.

 

I like Cutler as a QB. So far, he's shown he's got a ton of talent. But he's also shown he can play horribly in stretches. 8 TDs and 13 ints in 8 losses last year, including 2 TDs and 4 ints in the last three games.

 

And to say Cutler's Denver teams were not very good is oversimplified. Those Denver defenses were awful. The offenses he was a part of were awesome. Sure Cutler helped pile up the stats. But so did exceptional line play. So did Marshall and Royal. So did Shanny's offensive philosophy. And all these things are absent in Chicago.

 

Thats the thing I find puzzling.....Was Cutler really throwing to top talent.....or does he make that talent look really good....

 

In his first full season he had unpolished 2nd year player Marshall....and Javon Walker catching 15 passes while being injured....Last year they brought in D. Jackson to be the savior and lucked into Royal.... I'm not saying the offense wasnt good, but I could see it sucking wind big time now.....After back to back 100 catch seasons Marshall may never sniff that lofty mark ever again....

[Admiral Awesome 0]

He has a stronger arm, but arm strength doesn't translate into victories. You said he was awesome, brilliant, and talented...but does such a description match a quarterback who trailed only Brett Favre last season for the most interceptions thrown? Cutler's INT totals have been going up every year he's been in the NFL (and that was before getting traded to the Bears who are inferior offensively to what he had in Denver). There's also the issue of his attitude, which definitely matters when you're talking about the quarterback position. You'll never hear anyone criticize Orton for being a spoiled prima donna. But maybe you think he's better since he went to the Pro Bowl. Like that's a valid measure of someone's ability. Clinton Portis went to the Pro Bowl last season too, instead of DeAngelo Williams, despite the fact that Williams lead the NFL in rushing TDs (twice as many as Portis, 18 to 9) and had more rushing yardage than Portis. The Pro Bowl voting is more about popularity than talent so I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick. But you still think Cutler is better for this team...and I ask, how? On what basis? The fact he's failed to lead any of his teams to the playoffs? Wait, forget the playoffs, how about just a winning record?! No, he hasn't done that either. So, aside from throwing lots of interceptions, being a spoiled brat, and failing to lead a team to a winning season...yeah, I guess he's awesome, brilliant, and talented

 

You can't say that Cutler lost all the games for the Broncos. American football is a team sport.

 

Interceptions are a flaw, yes, but there is time for Jay Cutler to improve. He's still a young guy. It's funny that you compare him to Brett Favre because he was a quality quarterback no matter how many interceptions he threw last year, but yes, I know that's not a good thing. Cutler has room for improvement, but unfortunately he doesn't have the offensive talent in Chicago as he does in Denver.

 

I agree that DeAngelo Williams was a better running back than Portis last year but you have to realize that DeAngelo Williams only started becoming the best in the league after half the season was over. Pro Bowl voting is a popularity contest anyway, and you are correct in that aspect.

[Bishop82 61]

I like the trade that the Bears made. For many years they've been very passive when it comes to free agents and drafting. I don't think the Bears have ever traded up in the draft ever. That being said this move is the polar opposite of what the Bears traditionally do.

 

Do I think they overpaid, time will tell. It's impossible for anyone to say if they overpaid or not because if they win a superbowl this year did they still overpay?

 

You can chalk me up as one of the ecstatic Bears fans right now, and try as many of you will to knock me down, it ain't going to happen.

[swamp dog 0]

I like the trade that the Bears made. For many years they've been very passive when it comes to free agents and drafting. I don't think the Bears have ever traded up in the draft ever. That being said this move is the polar opposite of what the Bears traditionally do.

 

Do I think they overpaid, time will tell. It's impossible for anyone to say if they overpaid or not because if they win a superbowl this year did they still overpay?

 

You can chalk me up as one of the ecstatic Bears fans right now, and try as many of you will to knock me down, but it ain't going to happen.

 

there have been very few trashing this trade. most think it's a good trade. bear fans need to stop being so sensitive.