The most "transparent"...make that "secretive" Administration in history.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

You dopes were so duped by Obama and his slick packaging and empty slogans.

 

 

Thursday, December 17, 2009

 

 

‘And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen. That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private’

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following remarks on the Senate floor Thursday regarding the importance of getting it right on health care reform:

 

“Senators on both sides acknowledge that the health care bill we’re considering is among the most significant pieces of legislation any of us will ever consider.

 

“So it stands to reason that we’d devote significant time and attention to it.

 

“Indeed, some would argue that we should spend more time and attention on this bill than most — if not every — previous bill we’ve considered.

 

“The Majority disagrees.

 

“Why? Because this bill has become a political nightmare for them.

 

“They know Americans overwhelmingly oppose it, so they want to get it over with.

 

“Americans are already outraged at the fact that Democrat leaders took their eyes off the ball. Rushing the process on a partisan line makes the situation even worse.

 

“Americans were told the purpose of reform was to reduce the cost of health care.

 

“Instead, Democrat leaders produced a $2.5 trillion, 2,074-page monstrosity that vastly expands government, raises taxes, raises premiums, and wrecks Medicare.

 

“And they want to rush this bill through by Christmas — one of the most significant, far-reaching pieces of legislation in U.S. history. They want to rush it.

 

“And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen.

 

“That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private.

 

“That’s what they intend to bring to the floor and force a vote on before Christmas.

 

“So this entire process is essentially a charade.

 

“But let’s just compare the process so far with previous legislation for some perspective. Here’s a snapshot of what we’ve done and where we stand:

 

• The Majority Leader intends to bring this debate to a close as early as this weekend — four days from now, on this $2.5 trillion dollar mistake

 

• No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill

 

• This bill has been the pending business of the Senate since the last week of November — less than four weeks ago.

 

• We started the amendment process two weeks ago.

 

• We’ve had 21 amendments and motions — less than two a day.

 

“Now let’s look at how the Senate has dealt with previous legislation.

 

“No Child Left Behind (2001):

 

• 21 session days or 7 weeks.

 

• Roll Call votes: 44

 

• Number of Amendments offered: 157

 

“9/11 Commission/Homeland Security Act (2002):

 

• 19 session days over 7 weeks.

 

• Roll Call votes: 20

 

• Number of Amendments offered: 30

 

“Energy Bill (2002):

 

• 21 session days over 8 weeks

 

• Number of Roll Call votes: 36

 

• Number of Amendments offered: 158

 

“This isn’t an energy bill. This is an attempt by a majority to take over one sixth of the U.S. economy — to vastly expand the reach and the role of government into the health care decisions of every single American — and they want to be done after one substantive amendment. This is absolutely inexcusable.

 

“I think Senator Snowe put it best on Tuesday:

 

‘Given the enormity and complexity,’ she said, ‘I don’t see anything magical about the Christmas deadline if this bill is going to become law in 2014.’

 

“And I think Senator Snowe’s comments on a lack of bipartisanship at the outset of this debate are also right on point.

 

“Here’s what she said in late November:

 

‘I am truly disappointed we are commencing our historic debate on one of the most significant and pressing domestic issues of our time with a process that has forestalled our ability to arrive at broader agreement on some of the most crucial elements of health care reform. The bottom line is, the most consequential health care legislation in the history of our country and the reordering of $33 trillion in health care spending over the coming decade shouldn’t be determined by one vote-margin strategies – surely we can and must do better.’

 

“The only conceivable justification for rushing this bill is the overwhelming opposition of the American people. Democrats know that the longer Americans see this bill the less they like it. Here’s the latest from Pew. It came out just yesterday.

 

“A majority (58 percent) of those who have heard a lot about the bills oppose them while only 32 percent favor them.”

 

“There is no justification for this blind rush — except a political one, and that’s not good enough for the American people.

 

“And there’s no justification for forcing the Senate to vote on a bill none of us has seen.

 

“Americans already oppose this bill. The process is just as bad.

 

“It’s completely reckless, completely irresponsible.”

 

http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=320943&start=1

[supermike80 2,022]

I take it you are not voting for Obama in the next election?

[NewbieJr 541]

I take it you are not voting for Obama in the next election?

I was just going to give this pathetic whiner a pity bump after 13 hours of zero replies but you beat me to it. Thanks.

[Frank M 181]

I was just going to give this pathetic whiner a pity bump after 13 hours of zero replies but you beat me to it. Thanks.

 

 

Even the resident hangers-on have abandoned him. A while ago, any thread with the word healthcare in it would turn into a RP-GH-Strike-jskids-gocolts circlejerk within five minutes.

 

Poor RP.

 

[kpbuckeye 3]

Even the resident hangers-on have abandoned him. A while ago, any thread with the word healthcare in it would turn into a RP-GH-Strike-jskids-gocolts circlejerk within five minutes.

 

Poor RP.

 

 

Now he is stuck with you and newbie stalking him. Yea, you two need to be throwing stones.

[surferskin 30]

When are they going to be debating this bill on C-span? I gotta get my DVR ready.

[wiffleball 4,793]

In related news, they just found TWENTY TWO MILLION emails that George and Diick said were "lost"...

[Strike 5,846]

Even the resident hangers-on have abandoned him. A while ago, any thread with the word healthcare in it would turn into a RP-GH-Strike-jskids-gocolts circlejerk within five minutes.

 

Poor RP.

 

 

it's not just him. It's all you jackoffs. It would be nice to be able to have intelligent conversation over the ACTUAL ISSUES but with idiots like Newbie jr. slobbering on Obama's cack all the time that's pretty much impossible. This is a perfect example. If these comments are true ANYONE should be outraged that such a significant piece of legislation may be voted on without most of the people voting having a clue as to what's actually in it. But instead you're just ripping the thread started because of who he is. It's sad. Almost as sad as Chris Henry dieing.

[Frank M 181]

Now he is stuck with you and newbie stalking him. Yea, you two need to be throwing stones.

 

We're bumping his thread. We're helping him, man.

[Frank M 181]

it's not just him. It's all you jackoffs. It would be nice to be able to have intelligent conversation over the ACTUAL ISSUES but with idiots like Newbie jr. slobbering on Obama's cack all the time that's pretty much impossible. This is a perfect example. If these comments are true ANYONE should be outraged that such a significant piece of legislation may be voted on without most of the people voting having a clue as to what's actually in it. But instead you're just ripping the thread started because of who he is. It's sad. Almost as sad as Chris Henry dieing.

 

 

Now that's funny!

 

And I used up my quota of outrage today when I realized that my wife forgot to buy TP and I had to ration myself to a couple of squares per wipe. I got nothing left for Congress.

[jerryskids 6,962]

it's not just him. It's all you jackoffs. It would be nice to be able to have intelligent conversation over the ACTUAL ISSUES but with idiots like Newbie jr. slobbering on Obama's cack all the time that's pretty much impossible. This is a perfect example. If these comments are true ANYONE should be outraged that such a significant piece of legislation may be voted on without most of the people voting having a clue as to what's actually in it. But instead you're just ripping the thread started because of who he is. It's sad. Almost as sad as Chris Henry dieing.

Unfortunately it is difficult to discuss the actual issues, because as has been pointed out, the details are a well-kept secret. I'm fortunate that my two senators (Kyl and McCain) will vote "no," but I encourage anyone who has a senator expected to vote "yes" to let him/her know that you find it unacceptable that they would vote Yes on ANY legislation of this magnitude without thoroughly reviewing it.

[NewbieJr 541]

it's not just him. It's all you jackoffs. It would be nice to be able to have intelligent conversation over the ACTUAL ISSUES but with idiots like Newbie jr. slobbering on Obama's cack all the time that's pretty much impossible. This is a perfect example. If these comments are true ANYONE should be outraged that such a significant piece of legislation may be voted on without most of the people voting having a clue as to what's actually in it. But instead you're just ripping the thread started because of who he is. It's sad. Almost as sad as Chris Henry dieing.

This thread was in jeopardy of falling off of page one as most of RP's threads do. I bumped it so it could be discuused.

 

Man!

[MedStudent 56]

When are they going to be debating this bill on C-span? I gotta get my DVR ready.

 

They're debating it right now:

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

[Frank M 181]

This thread was in jeopardy of falling off of page one as most of RP's threads do. I bumped it so it could be discuused.

 

Man!

 

I already said we were trying to help. Some people (Strike) are so unappreciative.

[NewbieJr 541]

I already said we were trying to help. Some people (Strike) are so unappreciative.

Yeah, really.

 

If we didn't bump these dying threads, how else would RP spread the word about how evil Obama is and how he's ruining the country and turning it communist?

[jerryskids 6,962]

Yeah, really.

 

If we didn't bump these dying threads, how else would RP spread the word about how evil Obama is and how he's ruining the country and turning it communist?

I honestly don't know why this thread is about Obama; he wisely dumped this POS on congress and told them to git er dun. I do wonder if he sits alone at night with a cognac laughing at how easy it is to manipulate the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

[surferskin 30]

They're debating it right now:

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

That's not the same bill.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

In related news, they just found TWENTY TWO MILLION emails that George and Diick said were "lost"...

 

 

Crassic Obamatron...ignore the fact Obama is caught in another blatant lie and broken promise and throw out "Bush is bad"

 

Moron

[Recliner Pilot 61]

We're bumping his thread. We're helping him, man.

 

 

I don't need any "help". However, you mooks have helped prove my point that you were duped by Obama. There was a day when you would attempt to defend his lies and broken pormises. Now you have abandoned that and accepted the fact he lies daily and has kept almost none of his campaign promises.

 

Hell, even all but the most moronic of your bunch (Wiffleball) have abandoned the Obama mantra that "It's Bush's fault". In short, ya got nothing and think that "bumping" a thread here and there is actually making you look like something other than the duped Obamabots that you are.

 

So please continue to avoid the fact yet another of Obama's lies has been exposed and pat yourself on the back because the best ya got is "bump".

[MDC 7,652]

Obama isn't in Congress you dolt, he's the Commander in Chief.

 

Pwned again.

[FlaHawker 24]

Obama isn't in Congress you dolt, he's the Commander in Chief.

 

Pwned again.

Commander? This clown couldn't command a Jack in the Box kitchen.

[gocolts 300]

Even the resident hangers-on have abandoned him. A while ago, any thread with the word healthcare in it would turn into a RP-GH-Strike-jskids-gocolts circlejerk within five minutes.

 

Poor RP.

 

Are you implying that you and the others are totally fine with what is happening with this??? That you have no problem with the way Harry is handling this process??

[FranksTanks 0]

Is Mitch ® implying that he or any other of his frat brothers may have actually voted yes had they read this? I doubt it. Fock em. He's more concerned anyway about the very small percentage of someone aborting a child than the larger percentage of children not have health insurance. Not that this bill will do anything like that anymore...

[dave32 14]

Wait, RP voted for Obama? When was this?

 

Also, I heard we landed on the moon today! FOCK ya. U-S-A! U-S-A!

[Voltaire 5,388]

Senators who don't know what's in it should feel free to vote "no".

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Obama isn't in Congress you dolt, he's the Commander in Chief.

 

Pwned again.

 

 

You would have pwned me, if I ever claimed Obama was in Congress. Since I didn't the only thing you accomplished with this post is to once again expose yourself as a complete and utter moron.

 

Congrats.

[Frank M 181]

Are you implying that you and the others are totally fine with what is happening with this??? That you have no problem with the way Harry is handling this process??

 

No, I'm implying that it's sad that RP has been abandoned by his devotees at a time when he needs them most. I mean,according to RP, if this bill passes, America as we know it is gone. You'd think you guys would be in there helping him get the message across, but it had to fall to me and Newbie to make sure RP is heard.

 

As to whether I'm okay with it, I have to really say I don't care. I'm one game away from the Super Bowl in my league and I can only generate enough passion for one thing at a time.

 

All in all, rat's ass.

[Voltaire 5,388]

You would have pwned me, if I ever claimed Obama was in Congress. Since I didn't the only thing you accomplished with this post is to once again expose yourself as a complete and utter moron.

 

Congrats.

 

He means your thread title implies that President Obama is holding/resposnible for these closed door meetings.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

He means your thread title implies that President Obama is holding/resposnible for these closed door meetings.

 

Obama has been in the closed door meeting in Harry Reids office. Rahm Emmanual has been in the closed door meeting in Reids office.

 

 

Obama promised to have these debates on c-span. Lies.

 

 

Next?

 

But the real action on the bill is taking place not on the Senate floor, but in Reid's office, just steps away. That's where he's struggling to bring together the liberal and moderate wings of his caucus, in an effort to get the 60 votes he needs to thwart the united GOP front that will otherwise prevent the bill from winning final approval.

 

On Sunday, Obama will address a closed meeting of Senate Democrats, presumably for a pep talk, and also to give them more guidance on just what he wants from a final health bill.

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=121126092

[LaChup 238]

No, I'm implying that it's sad that RP has been abandoned by his devotees at a time when he needs them most. I mean,according to RP, if this bill passes, America as we know it is gone. You'd think you guys would be in there helping him get the message across, but it had to fall to me and Newbie to make sure RP is heard.

No one abandoned RP. His message was heard loud and clear the first time. Responding to this truf would have been redundant. Besides, it served it's purpose as it was intended. To expose him to the clueless who voted for him, thinking he was someone different.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

He means your thread title implies that President Obama is holding/resposnible for these closed door meetings.

 

 

I'm sure that's what he means..........but he is wrong....as my link proved.

 

I am LMFAO at you Obamatrons who think he is great, yet somehow he isn't responsible for anything.

 

Obama campaigned on two things: I will fix healthcare, and fix "the worst economy since the Great Depression"

 

"Pass my sitmulus bill and umemployment won't go above 8%." It goes to 10+% and it's Bush's fault.

 

"My stimulus bill will create millions of jobs". Didn't come close, even when they counted all the jobs in all 800+ Congressional districts. That was Bush's fault as well.

 

 

Quadruples the deficit in less than a year. Bush's fault.

 

Even though he campaigned on it being the worst economy since the great depression, when his policies fail he says "We didn't think the economy was bad"...........and you clowns buy it.

 

Let's look at his healthcare promises:

 

It will not make your taxes go up if you make less than $250K. Lie

 

It will not add to the deficit. Lie

 

We will put the debate over healthcare on C-span for the public to see. Lie.

 

We will post all bills online for the public to see for 72 hours before voting on them. Lie.

 

When he is caught in all these lies the best you Obamatrons have is "Um, it's Congress not Obama". Somehow he is clueless and totally uninvolved in his signature issue.

 

Best President EVAH...............at not being responsible for a single thing that has happened on his watch.

[NewbieJr 541]

Read my lips...no new taxes

[MDC 7,652]

Obama has been in the closed door meeting in Harry Reids office.

 

So he's been in those meetings but didn't host them and once again you are wrong.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Read my lips...no new taxes

 

 

So your lame-ass fishing trips are now going back 3 Presidents?

 

Not only lame, but pathetic.

[MDC 7,652]

So your lame-ass fishing trips are now going back 3 Presidents?

 

Not only lame, but pathetic.

 

No new nation-building.

[LaChup 238]

No new nation-building.

But we have no problem tearing one down.

[NewbieJr 541]

They have weapons of mass destruction.

[MDC 7,652]

Mission Accomplished!

[gocolts 300]

Read my lips...no new taxes

Ah, I get it now. It's only outrageous in your world when a politician goes back on a promise if he has an R by his name. If they have a D, then you fellas have no problem. I read you loud and clear.

[gocolts 300]

No, I'm implying that it's sad that RP has been abandoned by his devotees at a time when he needs them most. I mean,according to RP, if this bill passes, America as we know it is gone. You'd think you guys would be in there helping him get the message across, but it had to fall to me and Newbie to make sure RP is heard.

 

As to whether I'm okay with it, I have to really say I don't care. I'm one game away from the Super Bowl in my league and I can only generate enough passion for one thing at a time.

 

All in all, rat's ass.

Now your just being ridiculous. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. I should have known better than to get anything serious out of the likes of you in the first place. Thought I would at least give it a try. Very typical for a liberal. NOTHING else matters, but yourselves. Fock anything and everything else, including reason.