WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 1, 2010 Once more uniformed biased opinion. Pete Carroll was 33-31 as an NFL HC with two playoff appearances. So in your limited mind, that constitutes two failed NFL stints? You also missed my obvious point about college coaches. Carroll has a ton more NFL experience than those two guys combined. So to simply brush Carroll off as a "college" coach is uninformed at best. Your argument is filled with baseless opinions, my retorts have been fact based. If you don't like being called out than do not post garbage. Simple. Your opinions are worthless becauise you can't back any of them up with even the slightest bit of fact. so its your opinion that Carrolls past NFL experience means he wont be criticized and its my opinion that his past NFL experience won't give him any benefit of the doubt because he is known as a big time college coach. Just like Spurrier, just like Saban. What is the first thing people associate Pete Carroll with? his days coaching the Patriots or Jets? no. they think Trojan football. so its my opinion that the media is going to shine a bright spotlight on him for leaving a cushy job for the pros in the wake of so many recent failures of big time college coaches jumping up to the NFL. At the first sings of adversity for Pete, I think the media may treat him harshly. thats my opinion with solid reasons why. if you can't understand that, let me take a page out of your book..... fock off and go back to your pathetic Seahawk thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted May 2, 2010 That is an absolutely ridiculous argument. By your logic, if I can find a picture of Darius Heyward-Bey catching a ball just like Randy Moss then he must be the 2nd coming of Randy. Never mind the hundreds of pictures of DHB dropping the ball, as long as we grab one moment in time we are good. The fantasy gods should smite you on the spot for comparing Tim Teabag to Drew Brees. If you traveled in a time machine to Brees' rookie year and took a picture of him then and a picture of him now, but changed the face so it wasn't recognizable, you'd say the same thing. Brees accomplished way more than anyone thought he ever would, so why would you not give Tebow that same benefit of the doubt? BTW, I'm drunk!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted May 2, 2010 Colt Brennan * Second all-time in most career touchdowns responsible for (146). Achieved November 23, 2007. * NCAA record for most 400 yard games (20). Achieved in 2007. * Tied NCAA record for most career touchdown passes by a quarterback-receiver combination (39 to Davone Bess). Achieved November 23, 2007. * NCAA single-season record for most touchdown passes, achieved in 2006 (58) * NCAA two-season record for most touchdown passes, (96, achieved 2006-2007) * NCAA record for passing efficiency (season), posting a 186.0 mark in 2006 * NCAA record for most points responsible for (season) with 385. (2006) * NCAA record for highest pass completion percentage (70.4%). * Second all-time in career touchdown passes (131) behind Graham Harrell. * Fourth all-time in total passing yards with 14,193 behind Graham Harrell, Ty Detmer and Timmy Chang. It's very fair to say Tebow's stats are don't come close to these benchmarks. Colt Brennan was the best college, I said COLLEGE, QB that I have ever seen. His accuracy and efficiency was simply amazing. Shame on you if you didn't watch Hawaii games during those years. I watched nearly game Brennan played in. He couldn't even find a roster spot in an SEC team. Comparing Hawaii to Florida is like taking a mediocre college player and putting him on a middle school team, and then quoting the stats to say he belongs in the NFL. Well of course if you're only going to look at strictly throwing stats, than Tebow is merely a great college QB, not one of the best. But it is pretty convenient that you don't mention rushing yards, TD's, Championships, Heisman Trophy's....And oh yeah, what conference did Colt Brennan play in? Was it the SEC? Didn't think so. Beat me to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kitsnow 0 Posted May 2, 2010 So many great College QB's end up NFL busts. We really just have to wait and see how the QB's do at the NFL starting level. Most Tebow lovers and haters agree he has an underlying issue with his throwing mechanics. We'll see how much he can overcome and how much of an issue it is in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 2, 2010 He couldn't even find a roster spot in an SEC team. Comparing Hawaii to Florida is like taking a mediocre college player and putting him on a middle school team, and then quoting the stats to say he belongs in the NFL. Last year, the national title game was between Boise St and TCU, and two best teams in the country, and congrats to Boise St for winning a share of the national title. Why do they have to share? Well, we still don't have a playoff system. Until then, we have popularity contests for teams and conferences to determine their rankings and BCS standings. It's a joke. Last year, Alabama gets rolled by Utah in a bowl game, this year, they run the table and get some prom votes at the end. You seem to think the SEC is a good conference. Me, not so much. It's just another conference with plenty of mediocre teams. Look at the standings. There is a certain bigotry in supporting BCS conferences whether they deserve the support or not. Could an Alabama or Florida run the table in the MWC or WAC? No. Could Boise St go undefeated in the SEC? Yes. Every damn year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 30 Posted May 2, 2010 Could an Alabama or Florida run the table in the MWC or WAC? No. Could Boise St go undefeated in the SEC? Yes. Every damn year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 2, 2010 Could an Alabama or Florida run the table in the MWC or WAC? No. Could Boise St go undefeated in the SEC? Yes. Every damn year. Wow...what a completely and totally dumb statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted May 2, 2010 Last year, the national title game was between Boise St and TCU, and two best teams in the country, and congrats to Boise St for winning a share of the national title. Why do they have to share? Well, we still don't have a playoff system. Until then, we have popularity contests for teams and conferences to determine their rankings and BCS standings. It's a joke. Last year, Alabama gets rolled by Utah in a bowl game, this year, they run the table and get some prom votes at the end. You seem to think the SEC is a good conference. Me, not so much. It's just another conference with plenty of mediocre teams. Look at the standings. There is a certain bigotry in supporting BCS conferences whether they deserve the support or not. Could an Alabama or Florida run the table in the MWC or WAC? No. Could Boise St go undefeated in the SEC? Yes. Every damn year. And here I was thinking you lost your credibility with the "Brennan was a better college player than Tebow comment" The National title game wasn't between Boise St and TCU, & Boise does not own a share of the national title. What prom votes do you speak of for Alabama? What makes you think the WAC or MWC are good conferences? The MWC had 13 draftees this year, while the WAC had 5. The SEC had 7 FIRST-ROUNDERS, and 49 draftees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 2, 2010 And here I was thinking you lost your credibility with the "Brennan was a better college player than Tebow comment" The National title game wasn't between Boise St and TCU, & Boise does not own a share of the national title. What prom votes do you speak of for Alabama? What makes you think the WAC or MWC are good conferences? The MWC had 13 draftees this year, while the WAC had 5. The SEC had 7 FIRST-ROUNDERS, and 49 draftees. Boise St has every right to claim a share of the national title. They went undefeated. Alabama was VOTED national champ. VOTED. There was no playoff, no competition on the field. Alabama won a popularity contest to "win" a national title. Boise St vs TCU was as much of a national title game as any other. Because it is OPINION. It is your OPINION that the SEC is a better conference. I watched TCU and Boise St play just as often as Alabama and Florida. And I strongly believe Boise St and TCU would have beaten either on a neutral field. And I have no way of proving it, and you have no way to doubt it. If Boise St raised a banner in their stadium declaring themselves national champs last year, nobody could give me a reason why it would be false. Tebow was a very popular college player. Popular doesn't make you a some kind of god. The Neanderthals in this thread better get used to non BCS schools kicking in the door. The days of "major" conferences are numbered. Utah, Boise St, year after year, a non BCS school gets to the BCS games, and beats some other conference champ. Alabama looked great getting blown out by Utah the previous year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 2, 2010 Wow...what a completely and totally dumb statement. Boise St was the best college football team last year. You could argue somebody else. But that's what college football is. Opinion. There is no championship system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 2, 2010 we still don't have a playoff system. Until then, we have popularity contests for teams and conferences to determine their rankings and BCS standings. It's a joke. Last year, Alabama gets rolled by Utah in a bowl game, this year, they run the table and get some prom votes at the end. You seem to think the SEC is a good conference. Me, not so much. It's just another conference with plenty of mediocre teams. Look at the standings. There is a certain bigotry in supporting BCS conferences whether they deserve the support or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 2, 2010 Boise St was the best college football team last year. You could argue somebody else. But that's what college football is. Opinion. There is no championship system. Except...they really were not. Alabama was a better team...went through a better conference...and a better final opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 2, 2010 so its your opinion that Carrolls past NFL experience means he wont be criticized and its my opinion that his past NFL experience won't give him any benefit of the doubt because he is known as a big time college coach. Just like Spurrier, just like Saban. What is the first thing people associate Pete Carroll with? his days coaching the Patriots or Jets? no. they think Trojan football. so its my opinion that the media is going to shine a bright spotlight on him for leaving a cushy job for the pros in the wake of so many recent failures of big time college coaches jumping up to the NFL. At the first sings of adversity for Pete, I think the media may treat him harshly. thats my opinion with solid reasons why. if you can't understand that, let me take a page out of your book..... fock off and go back to your pathetic Seahawk thread. I have never said Carroll will or won't be criticized because that was never my point. I called you out for basically stating that Carroll would not be successful due to media pressure, a point you cannot and have not backed up with any fact. I also proved that Carroll cannot be compared to either Spurrier or Saban because he has much more NFL experience. Those guys were college guys who went to the NFL whereas Carroll was an NFL guy who went to college. It doesn't matter what "newbies" think when they think of Carroll; the fact is he has a large body of NFL experience. What media is going to shine a large spot light on Carroll? The Seattle media? The NY media? The LA media? The Seahawks do not even have a prime time game so how in the hell is the media going to pressure this guy? Cripes this team has won 9 games over the past two years and everyone who follows the Hawks knows this is a rebuild. The guy has at least a three year window before he feels any type of pressure so I highly doubt that Pete will feel any "harsh criticism" this year even if the Hawks go 6-10. Yes that is your opinion but I am still looking for a single fact to back up anything you have stated. Your reasons are, quite frankly, crap and unsupported. But since I saw about 10 posts in your NYJ draft thread (the epitome of pathetic), I now know why you spend so much time in other team's threads. Too bad you are a clueless dolt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 2, 2010 Except...they really were not.Alabama was a better team...went through a better conference...and a better final opponent. Hey, it can be debated, the better final opponent part amuses me, as I am pretty sure TCU would have creamed Texas on a neutral field, but maybe we should focus on the topic of the thread again... Tim Tebow is a pretty sucky NFL prospect at QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 2, 2010 I have never said Carroll will or won't be criticized because that was never my point. I called you out for basically stating that Carroll would not be successful due to media pressure, a point you cannot and have not backed up with any fact. well, for starters i did not say that Carroll would fail because of the pressure, I said the added pressure won't help. And I went on to list reasons why he will have pressure on him. its pretty factual that recent big name college coaches have failed in the NFL. If your counter point is that Pete Carroll has had more NFL experience than those guys, you are correct but it doesn't make my points any less factual. Nick Saban still failed, Steve Spurrier still failed, Bobby Petrino still failed and there is a perception on high profile college coaches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 2, 2010 Yes that is your opinion but I am still looking for a single fact to back up anything you have stated. Your reasons are, quite frankly, crap and unsupported. But since I saw about 10 posts in your NYJ draft thread (the epitome of pathetic), I now know why you spend so much time in other team's threads. Too bad you are a clueless dolt. you should try reading what I write and not blindly attacking me when i say something that isn't 100% positive about the Seahawks. i guess some people might call 10 posts in a thread pathetic... others might call multiple seahawk threads with dozens of pages for each, pathetic. atleast my 10 posts were about a winning franchise. must suck having to force yourself to get pumped up about acquisitions such as Charlie Whitehurst. Or better yet, still claiming the Steelers cheated to beat you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 2, 2010 Hey, it can be debated, the better final opponent part amuses me, as I am pretty sure TCU would have creamed Texas on a neutral field, but maybe we should focus on the topic of the thread again... Tim Tebow is a pretty sucky NFL prospect at QB. Sure it can be debated...you can be pretty sure TCU coulda shoulda woulda...I highly doubt TCU would have creamed Texas or been within 10 points of them. As for Tebow...I agree he is not a great prospect...neither was your boy Brennan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 189 Posted May 2, 2010 Boise St has every right to claim a share of the national title. They went undefeated. Alabama was VOTED national champ. VOTED. There was no playoff, no competition on the field. Alabama won a popularity contest to "win" a national title. Boise St vs TCU was as much of a national title game as any other. Because it is OPINION. It is your OPINION that the SEC is a better conference. I watched TCU and Boise St play just as often as Alabama and Florida. And I strongly believe Boise St and TCU would have beaten either on a neutral field. And I have no way of proving it, and you have no way to doubt it. If Boise St raised a banner in their stadium declaring themselves national champs last year, nobody could give me a reason why it would be false. Tebow was a very popular college player. Popular doesn't make you a some kind of god. The Neanderthals in this thread better get used to non BCS schools kicking in the door. The days of "major" conferences are numbered. Utah, Boise St, year after year, a non BCS school gets to the BCS games, and beats some other conference champ. Alabama looked great getting blown out by Utah the previous year. If I had "OPINION"'s like this, I would probably not put them in writing on a public forum for anyone to read. This entire line of thinking is a joke. I do agree that some good teams get railroaded out of a shot at the title, but not teams that plays this type of schedule for goodness sakes. Take away Oregon, and you have a virtual "who's who" for SEC Homecoming Games: September 3 No. 16 Oregon W 19-8 1-0 (0-0) September 12 Miami (OH) W 48-0 2-0 (0-0) September 18 at Fresno State W 51-34 3-0 (1-0) September 26 at Bowling Green W 49-14 4-0 (1-0) October 3 UC Davis W 34-16 5-0 (1-0) October 14 at Tulsa W 28-21 6-0 (1-0) October 24 at Hawaii W 54-9 7-0 (2-0) October 31 San Jose State W 45-7 8-0 (3-0) November 6 at Louisiana Tech W 45-35 9-0 (4-0) November 14 Idaho W 63-25 10-0 (5-0) November 20 at Utah State W 52-21 11-0 (6-0) November 27 Nevada W 44-33 12-0 (7-0) December 5 New Mexico State W 42-7 13-0 (8-0) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 2, 2010 well, for starters i did not say that Carroll would fail because of the pressure, I said the added pressure won't help. And I went on to list reasons why he will have pressure on him. its pretty factual that recent big name college coaches have failed in the NFL. If your counter point is that Pete Carroll has had more NFL experience than those guys, you are correct but it doesn't make my points any less factual. Nick Saban still failed, Steve Spurrier still failed, Bobby Petrino still failed and there is a perception on high profile college coaches. If you can't see the difference between those guys and Carroll, well, I can't help you. Pete Carroll will succeed or fail based on one factor and one factor only: 1- Player acquisition Carroll is a better communicator than all three coaches put together. Carroll can deal with the NFL player; Carroll can deal with rthe NFL lifestyle. Those three guys you metnioned could not and that is a big reason why they failed. Don't tell me Carroll failed in the NFL. He was considered one of the best DC in the legaue and he also made the playoffs as a HC 2/3 years. If he brings in the right players, he will succeed. If he doesn't, he will fail. Simple. The media will have NO IMPACT at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 2, 2010 you should try reading what I write and not blindly attacking me when i say something that isn't 100% positive about the Seahawks. i guess some people might call 10 posts in a thread pathetic... others might call multiple seahawk threads with dozens of pages for each, pathetic. atleast my 10 posts were about a winning franchise. must suck having to force yourself to get pumped up about acquisitions such as Charlie Whitehurst. Or better yet, still claiming the Steelers cheated to beat you. Toughen up Pally! I personally don't care whether or not you like or hate the Seahawks. However, if you make crazy statements that make no sense, well, you get called out. The Jets are a winning franchise? Really? One year in the AFC championship game is all it takes to crown a team a winning franchise? See here you go again with unsubstantiated statements. please provde a link in which I am forcing myself to get pumped up about Whitehurst and then provide a link where I am claiming the Steelers organization cheated in SB XL. See you won't be able to find a link so you'll simply say it is your opinion blah blah blah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted May 3, 2010 God will not let Tim Tebow fail. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 3, 2010 Toughen up Pally! I personally don't care whether or not you like or hate the Seahawks. However, if you make crazy statements that make no sense, well, you get called out. The Jets are a winning franchise? Really? One year in the AFC championship game is all it takes to crown a team a winning franchise? See here you go again with unsubstantiated statements. please provde a link in which I am forcing myself to get pumped up about Whitehurst and then provide a link where I am claiming the Steelers organization cheated in SB XL. See you won't be able to find a link so you'll simply say it is your opinion blah blah blah. you telling me to toughen up is one of the best things I have heard on these forums. right up there with when you have no response to something and you tell someone to fock off I would love to have more AFC championship appearances, or victories or Superbowls but as far as winning seasons and playoff appearances, im fairly certain they would qualify. And even though it was 1969, at least we have a Lombardi Trophy. That trophy might just be my opinion though, not sure. Plus they do it playing in the AFC East. man, seriously though you might be the worst, most unintelligent poster on this board. I do commend you for blindly sticking to your guns. Am i still not giving you facts regarding my opinion on Pete Carroll and media scrutiny? I'll bet you say i still havn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted May 3, 2010 For fock's sake, can we knock the seahawks bullshit off?!? WTF does Tebow have to do with Pete focking Carroll or Boise St. or anything like that? Take that shit to the seahawks thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 3, 2010 For fock's sake, can we knock the seahawks bullshit off?!? WTF does Tebow have to do with Pete focking Carroll or Boise St. or anything like that? Take that shit to the seahawks thread. sorry buddy, i was originally talking about Tebow but Flahawker decided to make it about my Pete Carroll comments from his thread. Idk why.. Well, I know why but its really not needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted May 3, 2010 sorry buddy, i was originally talking about Tebow but Flahawker decided to make it about my Pete Carroll comments from his thread. Idk why.. Well, I know why but its really not needed. I know my man. phillybear and flahawker both. Seachicken fans always hijack threads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted May 3, 2010 I know my man. phillybear and flahawker both. Seachicken fans always hijack threads. Yeah seriously, let's quit all this Seahawk/Pete/Carrol BS...and get back to discussing how Colt Brennan was the better college player than Tebow, and how Boise St. are National Champs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 3, 2010 Yeah seriously, let's quit all this Seahawk/Pete/Carrol BS...and get back to discussing how Colt Brennan was the better college player than Tebow, and how Boise St. are National Champs this might get some flack and im not saying Colt Brennan was a better QB than Tebow, but I dont think Tebow was a particularly great collge quarterback. i think he was an amazing player / athlete. a better version of Eric Crouch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted May 3, 2010 On the surface, it looks like Tebow is a project. BUT....but....the dude is driven. Say what you want about his mechanics and what not, but you have to respect that guy's work ethic. I think he can will himself into at least a decent NFL QB. Also, it'll be interesting to see how he reacts to adversity/criticism. He went virtually uncritiqued at Florida...at least not to the extent he will be in the pros. I assume he'll handle it pretty well....he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I have no problem with drafting Tebow per se. The 'issue' as I see it is trading picks for Quinn too. Just seems like you wasted some picks to grab a couple of QBs with a lot of question marks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted May 3, 2010 Oh, there is no question that he isn't ready to start right now. Even with my extreme homerism, I know that he is too raw to win many games this year. All I was saying is that from that 1 picture of Tebow looks identical to 1 picture of Brees. So to knock Tebow, you got to knock Brees. So far, Tebow has fixed his slow, loopy windup. He says that his new windup is natural feeling, and I believe that. Also, I don't think taking him was a reach. There have been I think 3 teams in the last couple of days that said that they were putting together packages to move back into the 1st round to take Tebow, so I believe that he was taken exactly where he needed to be taken for us to get him. We obviously had him rated higher than McCoy and Clausen, and from what I see/hear, many teams did as well, and a few of them were willing to move back to the 1st round to get him. Others were hoping to move to the 1st or 2nd pick of the second round to get him. Either way, that's much higher than Clausen went. Did the Broncos NEED Tebow? Probably not. It was definitely either a luxury pick, or a "I finally have a QB that can potentially run the offensive set that I want to run" pick. I mean, Orton is serviceable, but he isn't a "franchise" QB because he takes way too long to make a decision, and he gets sacked way too easily. He can't even take off and run, because he trips over his own feet and falls over for a sack. but I do agree. Tebow isn't ready to start right now. Maybe halfway through the season he will be. I can see McDaniels doing to Orton what Shanahan did to Plummer. What is he going to say? it feels awful and it doesn't work... guy was just campaigning to be a 1st round draft pick.... LOL// Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Pete 0 Posted May 3, 2010 On the surface, it looks like Tebow is a project. BUT....but....the dude is driven. Say what you want about his mechanics and what not, but you have to respect that guy's work ethic. I think he can will himself into at least a decent NFL QB. Also, it'll be interesting to see how he reacts to adversity/criticism. He went virtually uncritiqued at Florida...at least not to the extent he will be in the pros. I assume he'll handle it pretty well....he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I have no problem with drafting Tebow per se. The 'issue' as I see it is trading picks for Quinn too. Just seems like you wasted some picks to grab a couple of QBs with a lot of question marks. I don't think we traded any picks away for Quinn. If we did, it would be a 7th round pick. We gave the Browns Peyton Hillis, who was going to get cut anyways. What is he going to say? it feels awful and it doesn't work... guy was just campaigning to be a 1st round draft pick.... LOL// Well, seeing he's thrown perfectly in the rookie minicamp this last weekend with 100% accuracy and lots of zip, I'd say it's his natural throwing motion these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 3, 2010 you telling me to toughen up is one of the best things I have heard on these forums. right up there with when you have no response to something and you tell someone to fock off I would love to have more AFC championship appearances, or victories or Superbowls but as far as winning seasons and playoff appearances, im fairly certain they would qualify. And even though it was 1969, at least we have a Lombardi Trophy. That trophy might just be my opinion though, not sure. Plus they do it playing in the AFC East. man, seriously though you might be the worst, most unintelligent poster on this board. I do commend you for blindly sticking to your guns. Am i still not giving you facts regarding my opinion on Pete Carroll and media scrutiny? I'll bet you say i still havn't So let's sum up your wisdom: 1- Tim Tebow, based on what you read in the media, should not have been selected in the first round (no other facts included to support your "opinion") 2- Pete Carroll will fail because he was a college coach and because of media pressure (Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino are your "facts" no facts included to support the media claim) 3- I post trying to pump myself up about Charlie Whitehurst (no link given to support claim) 4- I accuse the Steelers of cheating in SB XL (no link given to support claim) 5- The Jets are a winning organization (1969 SB, they were in the AFC championship game last year, and they play in the AFC East are your rock solid supports ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 3, 2010 I know my man. phillybear and flahawker both. Seachicken fans always hijack threads. Not quite, I used the Pete Carroll reference to show how White Wonder makes ridiculous claims and then does not support them. My original poiint in this thread dealt with his saying the Bronocs should not have drafted Tebow in the 1st round based on media perception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 3, 2010 this might get some flack and im not saying Colt Brennan was a better QB than Tebow, but I dont think Tebow was a particularly great collge quarterback. i think he was an amazing player / athlete. a better version of Eric Crouch. There you go again. Not a great college QB? Based on what? I know, your opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 3, 2010 Not quite, I used the Pete Carroll reference to show how White Wonder makes ridiculous claims and then does not support them. My original poiint in this thread dealt with his saying the Bronocs should not have drafted Tebow in the 1st round based on media perception. i supported them just fine. you're simply choosing to ignore it... selective reading i guess. There you go again. Not a great college QB? Based on what? I know, your opinion again if you had read without the intent to nitpick, you would have seen the point I was trying to make. Tebow was not a great pure quarterback, he was a great college player and athlete. One of the best of all time. I honestly didn't think I needed to add to it because most football fans know how much damage he did with his legs. Alot of NFL teams wanted to try him out as an h-back or fullback... at this point, im just going to ignore you because you are grasping at straws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GettnHuge 2 Posted May 4, 2010 Tebow will throw for 5,000 yards and 35tds this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmbryant09 1 Posted May 4, 2010 again if you had read without the intent to nitpick, you would have seen the point I was trying to make. Tebow was not a great pure quarterback, he was a great college player and athlete. One of the best of all time. I honestly didn't think I needed to add to it because most football fans know how much damage he did with his legs. Alot of NFL teams wanted to try him out as an h-back or fullback... at this point, im just going to ignore you because you are grasping at straws. I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with this logic for one major reason: College QB's aren't necessarily PURE QB's, in the sense of a PURE NFL QB. You can't knock Tebow for his dual-threat ability when comparing him to Brennan, who could only throw the ball as a more traditional NFL QB would. I'd argue the opposite, actually...that in college, the more PURE QB can both throw AND run, and the college game hasn't seen anyone do both better than Tim Tebow. Even still, a Heisman, 2 other top three Heisman finishes, and 2 National Championships...along with a ton of individual conference (SEC - not the WAC or w/e Hawaii plays in) and national records - not many people's careers can rival that...surely not Colt Brennan's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted May 4, 2010 i supported them just fine. you're simply choosing to ignore it... selective reading i guess.again if you had read without the intent to nitpick, you would have seen the point I was trying to make. Tebow was not a great pure quarterback, he was a great college player and athlete. One of the best of all time. I honestly didn't think I needed to add to it because most football fans know how much damage he did with his legs. Alot of NFL teams wanted to try him out as an h-back or fullback... at this point, im just going to ignore you because you are grasping at straws. Nitpick? I can only repsond to your words. You said he was not a great college QB. Now you have changed it to not a great "pure" college QB, whatever the hell that means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,859 Posted May 4, 2010 I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with this logic for one major reason: College QB's aren't necessarily PURE QB's, in the sense of a PURE NFL QB. You can't knock Tebow for his dual-threat ability when comparing him to Brennan, who could only throw the ball as a more traditional NFL QB would. I'd argue the opposite, actually...that in college, the more PURE QB can both throw AND run, and the college game hasn't seen anyone do both better than Tim Tebow. Even still, a Heisman, 2 other top three Heisman finishes, and 2 National Championships...along with a ton of individual conference (SEC - not the WAC or w/e Hawaii plays in) and national records - not many people's careers can rival that...surely not Colt Brennan's. its not meant to knock Tebow. I just consider him to be a great football player more so than a great "quarterback". I mean technically he played QB so he goes down as a great QB but just like Crouch or even Vick, I view them as having been great college athletes, players. Thats all I was trying to say. and I was not saying Colt Brennan was a better QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kitsnow 0 Posted May 4, 2010 Don't you know anything other than a god like praise of Tebow is considered a knock on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted May 4, 2010 Watching Tebow play the last few years has helped me overcome my internet porn addiction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites