**Round Four Commentary**

[Vikings4ever 550]

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[Clash of the Titans 1]

actually i meant to pick earlier but i fell asleep after the game....just woke up and realized i hadn't picked.....with the new 4g iphone release...i'll be working 1o hour days the next two weeks to make all my customers happy.......i'll try to add some comments when i have time........until then........

[RLLD 4,230]

actually i meant to pick earlier but i fell asleep after the game....just woke up and realized i hadn't picked.....with the new 4g iphone release...i'll be working 1o hour days the next two weeks to make all my customers happy.......i'll try to add some comments when i have time........until then........

 

I had to get a new phone, my Verizon world device got ruined when I pissed myself at a recent sailing race, well, at the after party.......

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

had a feeling as soon as i saw KSB talking about flip flopping 2 players he had on a list that i wasnt getitng my guy and i was correct.

 

wanted Schaub, will settle for Rivers.

 

i just happen to view Schuab as a guy with a higher ceiling this year getting weapons back and building off his first 16 game season while Rivers has to deal with a potential loss of VJax and a more effective rushing attack.

[RLLD 4,230]

had a feeling as soon as i saw KSB talking about flip flopping 2 players he had on a list that i wasnt getitng my guy and i was correct.

 

wanted Schaub, will settle for Rivers.

 

i just happen to view Schuab as a guy with a higher ceiling this year getting weapons back and building off his first 16 game season while Rivers has to deal with a potential loss of VJax and a more effective rushing attack.

 

 

River's is a nice consolation, and flipping nice value at 4.09......

[Dan 66]

I'm remarkably disappointed. I was really hoping that Schaub or Rivers would slide to me. I'm going to go cry now for a couple of picks.

[KSB2424 3,148]

had a feeling as soon as i saw KSB talking about flip flopping 2 players he had on a list that i wasnt getitng my guy and i was correct.

 

wanted Schaub, will settle for Rivers.

 

i just happen to view Schuab as a guy with a higher ceiling this year getting weapons back and building off his first 16 game season while Rivers has to deal with a potential loss of VJax and a more effective rushing attack.

You pegged that exactly. My original list had Rivers first and Schaub second as I was going back and forth on them constantly. Then the V-Jax news came out and I realized that I did have AJ on my team already (it's always fun to have a combo) which swayed me to flip them in order.

 

I would have been happy with either this late in the fourth round.

[RLLD 4,230]

I'm remarkably disappointed. I was really hoping that Schaub or Rivers would slide to me. I'm going to go cry now for a couple of picks.

 

 

That was a pretty long shot given their ADP of 4.05 and 3.11 respectively. If you covet, you might as well take them, unless you know for sure what you covet is under the radar or woefully under valued.

 

That being said, I am not sure that the scoring system we are using is really that favorable to the QB, but maybe I am wrong on that one, I will go back over it again....

[JScott 20]

I'm remarkably disappointed. I was really hoping that Schaub or Rivers would slide to me. I'm going to go cry now for a couple of picks.

 

Chin up buckaroo... no time to cry, you're up

[JScott 20]

Thanks Dan. And sorry for the holdup guys. Got paged out for a fire.

 

 

More on Dallas when I have a minute...

 

So continuing on my draft plan changes.... again, my original plan was RB-WR-WR-RB but changed up by taking Rodgers in the 2nd, but got back on the plan by taking VJax (huge risk) in the 3rd. From all the mocks I had done previously at FFC a good RB2 always fell to the midround picks in the 4th, which is why I liked WR-WR in the 2nd-3rd. However, as usual this group sniffed out the value and had a RB run in the latter half of the third drying up that tier of RBs that I had been expecting in the 4th. So again, plan out the window. My next thought was to get another WR, to make up for not taking one in the 2nd, but the one WR I felt was worth the value S.Smith (CAR) went just before me. So instead I looked at TE...

 

IMO there isn't alot separating the top 5 or so TEs. There's one that everyone is hyping but I'd like to see a full season first before I drink the cool-aid. So of the usual suspect TEs I went with Clark. With VJax already on my roster I didn't want Gates and of the rest I just have far more faith in Manning than the other QBs. So even though it was solid it was pretty :|

[KSB2424 3,148]

FWIW, I had Dallas Clark the number one rated TE as well. Not that you care, but thought I would share.

[JScott 20]

FWIW, I had Dallas Clark the number one rated TE as well. Not that you care, but thought I would share.

 

Ah, but I do care. One of the reasons we do this mock is to share info (after the picks are made), it's exactly what Mike wants

[JScott 20]

Just called Dan to let him know he was otc.... there was a strange echo on his end, like he was in a stall..... oooops

[Dan 66]

That was a pretty long shot given their ADP of 4.05 and 3.11 respectively. If you covet, you might as well take them, unless you know for sure what you covet is under the radar or woefully under valued.

 

That being said, I am not sure that the scoring system we are using is really that favorable to the QB, but maybe I am wrong on that one, I will go back over it again....

 

I try to keep it a little realistic. In a regular draft, I would have considered trading. But, I will make something work anyway.

[RLLD 4,230]

I was cool with Clark, Ocho, and even Gates......but I gotta say that picking Ward here makes no sense to me.....

 

Firstly, you could have had him next round, or even the one after that.....

 

Secondly, he is little more than bench warmer for a FF team until Santa Claus comes back, and even then I do not foresee him as anything more than a spot-play for bye weeks or perhaps a specific match up

 

The talent you passed on to take him is pretty solid as well.....please explain your decision

[Dan 66]

Just called Dan to let him know he was otc.... there was a strange echo on his end, like he was in a stall..... oooops

 

[JScott 20]

I was cool with Clark, Ocho, and even Gates......but I gotta say that picking Ward here makes no sense to me.....

 

Firstly, you could have had him next round, or even the one after that.....

 

Secondly, he is little more than bench warmer for a FF team until _________ comes back, and even then I do not foresee him as anything more than a spot-play for bye weeks or perhaps a specific match up

 

The talent you passed on to take him is pretty solid as well.....please explain your decision

 

 

I agree with Ray that there are other WRs (and players) I like better than Ward, who are still available, but I disagree about his potential performance. Ward was a top 15 WR in most formats last year. The loss of his starting QB can be looked at two ways, first as Ray believes that Ward's numbers will suffer as PIT relies on the run for those 4-6 weeks, second which I believe is that which ever backup QB fills in they will need a security blanket. They both know Ward. He will go over the middle for short passes and is a redzone target. He will be their wooby. And when the starter returns, he's already shown his love for Ward too. I expect his numbers to drop some but he's still a good WR2, not nearly the bench warmer/spot play Ray believes.

 

Also, Dan was not going to see Ward at 6.12. He would have been gone by then.

[RLLD 4,230]

I agree with Ray that there are other WRs (and players) I like better than Ward, who are still available, but I disagree about his potential performance. Ward was a top 15 WR in most formats last year. The loss of his starting QB can be looked at two ways, first as Ray believes that Ward's numbers will suffer as PIT relies on the run for those 4-6 weeks, second which I believe is that which ever backup QB fills in they will need a security blanket. They both know Ward. He will go over the middle for short passes and is a redzone target. He will be their wooby. And when the starter returns, he's already shown his love for Ward too. I expect his numbers to drop some but he's still a good WR2, not nearly the bench warmer/spot play Ray believes.

 

Also, Dan was not going to see Ward at 6.12. He would have been gone by then.

 

If you want to know who the true security blanket is going to be we will have to wait just a bit longer, but it won't be Ward IMHO

[JScott 20]

If you want to know who the true security blanket is going to be we will have to wait just a bit longer, but it won't be Ward IMHO

 

He won't be the security blanket. He'll be the big play threat. Ward won't be 50 yards down field like _______. When the backup QB gets in trouble they're not going to just let if fly. They'll be coached to look for a safer play, more often that will be a slant or delay over the middle or down and out in the 15 yard range, which is what Ward does not the other "new" guy.

[Dan 66]

If you want to know who the true security blanket is going to be we will have to wait just a bit longer, but it won't be Ward IMHO

 

I hear what you're saying, and I know where you're going . . . but unless you think Ward is broken down, there is no substance in a suggestion that his numbers won't be top-15 again.

 

There are other players I considered, and one that I may have really wanted, but Ward is safe, and consistently gets his looks. The one I "really wanted" is more of a risk, and I have other risks that I want to take. I need at least one player that is secure.

[RLLD 4,230]

I hear what you're saying, and I know where you're going . . . but unless you think Ward is broken down, there is no substance in a suggestion that his numbers won't be top-15 again.

 

There are other players I considered, and one that I may have really wanted, but Ward is safe, and consistently gets his looks. The one I "really wanted" is more of a risk, and I have other risks that I want to take. I need at least one player that is secure.

 

Well, I do see your point, but "I" am suggesting that he will not be a top 15 WR this year, he might break the top 20......

 

Perhaps this is going to be my first "outlier" prediction for the coming season, where I go against the grain of the common notion for a player in a stark manner ( such as Royal, Johnson and Walker before)

 

I stand by my assertion on Ward, and we can follow it over the season, he will not emerge into the top 15, might break the top 20, will end up being the 3rd best WR on the Stillers (from a FF perspective)

[Dan 66]

Well, I do see your point, but "I" am suggesting that he will not be a top 15 WR this year, he might break the top 20......

 

Perhaps this is going to be my first "outlier" prediction for the coming season, where I go against the grain of the common notion for a player in a stark manner ( such as Royal, Johnson and Walker before)

 

I stand by my assertion on Ward, and we can follow it over the season, he will not emerge into the top 15, might break the top 20, will end up being the 3rd best WR on the Stillers (from a FF perspective)

 

I respect those opinions, and know that you're often right. However, I'd like to point out that the difference is that you typically are shooting down a guy that folks are hyping off a limited sampling, and identifying specific changes that lead to such a prediction. Ward has been at this for a long time, and is consistently the man when the Steelers need one the most. Could that change? Sure. But why? As the "number two" receiver last year, he had 95 receptions. The #1 is now gone, the #3 had 19 fewer receptions, and the new guy is still learning the ropes in an offense that is probably going to reposition him.

 

As a Steelers' fan, I hope you're right. Because if Ward is the #3 receiving threat, the Steelers are amazing.

[JScott 20]

will end up being the 3rd best WR on the Stillers (from a FF perspective)

 

3rd best WR or just 3rd best receiver (ie including RBs)? If you honestly think he'll be the 3rd best WR then let's hear your reasoning. I see nothing to suggest he won't be 1B to the "deep threats" 1A at worst.

 

Let me ask you this. What did you think about BAL #1 WR last season. Did you think he'd fall to #3? QBs that have chemistry with a WR are not just going to suddenly ignore them unless their physical skills come in to play. Ward is getting up there in age, but he's shown no sign of breaking down at all, not even a hint. I think you're off on this one Ray and may just be a bit of homer bias involved.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

don't listen to them Dan. You may have reached for Ward but I highly doubt he lasts almost 2 full rounds and makes it back to you. Despite the troubles surrounding ________, Ward will be the security blanket. I think I know who Ray feels will be that blanket but I say its Ward.

 

Kind of surpised Celek went this early, I was going to target him in round 6 or so if Gates didnt make it to me in round 5. Not that I don't think he belongs here, just that I was hoping more people were sleeping on him.

[RLLD 4,230]

3rd best WR or just 3rd best receiver (ie including RBs)? If you honestly think he'll be the 3rd best WR then let's hear your reasoning. I see nothing to suggest he won't be 1B to the "deep threats" 1A at worst.

 

Let me ask you this. What did you think about BAL #1 WR last season. Did you think he'd fall to #3? QBs that have chemistry with a WR are not just going to suddenly ignore them unless their physical skills come in to play. Ward is getting up there in age, but he's shown no sign of breaking down at all, not even a hint. I think you're off on this one Ray and may just be a bit of homer bias involved.

 

 

I think when the final stats are assembled, Ward is the 3rd best statistical WR on the Steelers, I think other players are emerging to overtake him in his traditional role, and I think he is slowly relegated to see less and less targets as well as play time.

 

JMHO

 

 

I did not even think about the Baltimore situation last year. Instead, last year it was me warning everyone to stay away from Royal, and being soundly lambasted for it all preseason. I was right then, and I am right now.....we just have to wait for it to unfold is all.....

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

River's is a nice consolation, and flipping nice value at 4.09......

 

for sure, once we hit pick 4.5 with Rivers and schuab still on the board, i knew i was landing one of them. iceman, jscott and clash already had QB's so it was just a matter of who KSB grabbed.

 

the beenfit of Rivers is his durability and having multiple top notch seasons to his name. And like JScott, i believe Jacksons cotract will be resolved but i still see a 2 game suspension. Schuab still has those lingering health issues imo until he plays another full 16 games but i do think he has the higher ceiling.

 

I'm remarkably disappointed. I was really hoping that Schaub or Rivers would slide to me. I'm going to go cry now for a couple of picks.

 

i was half expecting you to take Schuab as the 4th QB off the board at 3.1 because i know you like him. The end picks can sometimes be frustrating because of this, knowing you have to reach because its way too long until you pick again.

[NAn 39]

Glad I grabbed Brady even more now as after Schaub/Rivers think the QBs come down a notch or so and will be hit miss.

 

Actually considered Addai at 4.01...thoughts on him? is what we saw last year what you'd expect? more? less?

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Glad I grabbed Brady even more now as after Schaub/Rivers think the QBs come down a notch or so and will be hit miss.

 

Actually considered Addai at 4.01...thoughts on him? is what we saw last year what you'd expect? more? less?

 

if healthy i would expect a few less scores but similar everything else.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

I had to get a new phone, my Verizon world device got ruined when I pissed myself at a recent sailing race, well, at the after party.......

 

 

our standard phones are quad band and work on most any worldwide network.........you should switch and get the new iphone

 

 

what do you have.....not a big fan of the droid operating system......we are now starting to carry it?

[RLLD 4,230]

our standard phones are quad band and work on most any worldwide network.........you should switch and get the new iphone

 

 

what do you have.....not a big fan of the droid operating system......we are now starting to carry it?

 

I had the 8830 Worldphone, waiting to see what my next model is going to be....

[JScott 20]

How 'bout taking the phone discussion to the Geek board.... just a thought

[RLLD 4,230]

How 'bout taking the phone discussion to the Geek board.... just a thought

 

h8ter

[remote controller 143]

had a feeling as soon as i saw KSB talking about flip flopping 2 players he had on a list that i wasnt getitng my guy and i was correct.

 

wanted Schaub, will settle for Rivers.

 

i just happen to view Schuab as a guy with a higher ceiling this year getting weapons back and building off his first 16 game season while Rivers has to deal with a potential loss of VJax and a more effective rushing attack.

I was eyeing both Schaub and Rivers, but they got crossed off the list I sent to Fumble this morning, before it got to me. Chad Johnson will suffice as a #2 Wr, and he even has some upside this year with improvements on the team. I feel real good about my balance and can finish from here with a best player available strategy. My choice for this corner was Rivers/Chad, but landing Finley in the next round was nothing but additional balance.