Hot Stove Baseball Thread

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Greinke even up?

 

Apparently. I'd like to see the Red Sox get in on the Greinke talks.

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Oh boy....I spoke too soon:

 

SI.com's Jon Heyman reports that the Red Sox and Adrian Gonzalez could not agree to a contract extension and the deal has fallen through.

 

Boston reportedly couldn't come to an agreement with Gonzalez on a contract extension by Sunday afternoon's deadline. Heyman reported that Gonzalez asked for an eight-year extension while Boston didn't want to go beyond six. Earlier reports said the Red Sox might go through with the trade without an extension, but Heyman believes the trade has fallen through. Boston and San Diego agreed to a trade on Thursday that sent Gonzalez to the Red Sox and prospects Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Reymond Fuentes and a PTBNL to the Padres. The Padres said Thursday that they wouldn't field more offers for Gonzalez if this trade fell through. Meanwhile, FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the deal with Boston is "is far from over." Stay tuned.

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I find this kinda odd. He signed a contract with a pretty big hometown discount and now is ok with moving to any team? If thats the case why not sign with the yanks and make the big cash?

 

 

 

Zack Greinke has told the Royals that he will accept a trade to any team, according to FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

The Blue Jays are on Greinke's no-trade list -- which contains 15 teams -- but Greinke will apparently waive his right of refusal if Kansas City wants to trade him. Toronto contacted Kansas City about Greinke and the Royals are interested, reports Rosenthal. The Jays could potentially land Greinke if they're willing to part with Kyle Drabek, Travis Snider and a minor leaguer or two. Greinke is under contract for two more years at $13.5 million per season. The 27-year-old has a 3.82 career ERA and 1.26 WHIP.

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Werth signs with the Nationals 126 Million over 7 years.... Crawford could get 8 years

 

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal

Source: Werth is 7 yrs, $126M #Nationals #MLB

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Werth signs with the Nationals 126 Million over 7 years.... Crawford could get 8 years

 

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal

Source: Werth is 7 yrs, $126M #Nationals #MLB

 

He has now become Jayson Werth-less.

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He has now become Jayson Werth-less.

He is now under contract till he is 38 years old...

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He has now become Jayson Werth-less.

 

Wow. You've had a good run with the Phillies, a perrenial winner and World Series contender. Now enjoy baseball hell.

 

And I don't care where Adrian Gonzalez ends up, I just want him anywhere but Boston at this point. I'll consider that a win.

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Wow. You've had a good run with the Phillies, a perrenial winner and World Series contender. Now enjoy baseball hell.

 

And I don't care where Adrian Gonzalez ends up, I just want him anywhere but Boston at this point. I'll consider that a win.

 

Did you get the MLB memo that Stephen Strasfarfegnugenburg is going to lead the Nats back into baseball prominence?

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Did you get the MLB memo that Stephen Strasfarfegnugenburg is going to lead the Nats back into baseball prominence?

Say what ya want about them but the nats at least make an effort. They Have Strausberg, now got werth and signed harper. They could be like the Pirates who are in the running for the worst team every single year.

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Werth signs with the Nationals 126 Million over 7 years.... Crawford could get 8 years

 

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal

Source: Werth is 7 yrs, $126M #Nationals #MLB

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5888329

 

Very nice...but really focking terrible because i would've love him on the Tigers

 

Now i am hoping they are gunning after Crawford. People are overlooking the Tigers, they have A LOT of money to spend, a legendary manager, a great owner that throws money around like confetti, and a fantastic young core.

 

I am guessing since the Yanks are full-bore after Lee and with the whole Jeter nonsense, they won't be going after Carl as hard as other teams.

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Say what ya want about them but the nats at least make an effort. They Have Strausberg, now got werth and signed harper. They could be like the Pirates who are in the running for the worst team every single year.

 

The Pirates still play baseball?

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The Pirates still play baseball?

Im not so sure they even remember if they are still playing baseball.

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I'm glad the Red Sox didn't aggressively go after Werth. 7 years is a long time to have a guy locked up for. If he was a little younger, I might feel differently but Werth is too old for this long of a contract. 27 is peak year for most hitters. Werth is 31.

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CARL is grinning ear to ear right now as a bidding war for him is about to start heating up and this massive contract is going to be his jumping off point I assure you.

 

Watch. Crawford gets a 7 year 145 mil contract from either the yanks or the rangers. Whichever loses out on cliff lee.

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CARL is grinning ear to ear right now as a bidding war for him is about to start heating up and this massive contract is going to be his jumping off point I assure you.

 

Watch. Crawford gets a 7 year 145 mil contract from either the yanks or the rangers. Whichever loses out on cliff lee.

via twitter:

jaysonst Jayson Stark

Speculation I'm hearing now is 8 yrs/$180M on Crawford. #RedSox won't do that RT @jbug_617 @jaysonst Sox probably also out on Crawford?

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via twitter:

jaysonst Jayson Stark

Speculation I'm hearing now is 8 yrs/$180M on Crawford. #RedSox won't do that RT @jbug_617 @jaysonst Sox probably also out on Crawford?

WOW. Thats insane. Thats the yanks, angels, boston, maybe the tigers but I highly doubt it....a way outside shot at the Rangers

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WOW! about Werth via twitter:

jaysonst Jayson Stark

The #Nationals offer on Werth was so far above everyone else that Boras didn't even ask other interested teams if they wanted to match it.

 

YOU KNOW IT'S BAD WHEN BORAS DOESN'T EVEN CALL ANOTHER CLUB

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He is now under contract till he is 38 years old...

 

Worst contract since the Rangers gave Chan Ho Suck 5 years and 65 million. In my opinion that is the worst. There are some other real doozies too.

 

 

Carl Pavano, New York Yankees 4 years, $39.95 million

Carlos Silva, Seattle Mariners 4 years, $48 million

Gary Matthews Jr, Los Angeles Angels 5 years, $50 million

Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays 7 years, $126 million

Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants 7 years, $126 million

Andruw Jones, Los Angeles Dodgers 2 years, $36.2 million

Jason Schmidt, Los Angeles Dodgers 3 years, $47 million

Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies 8 years, $121 million

Darren Dreifort, Los Angeles Dodgers 5 years, $55 million

Mo Vaughn, Angels 6 years 80 million

Albert Belle, 5 years 65 million

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As a Giants fan with the Zito contract, I can never ever comment about "bad contracts" But damn, 7/$126 is the going rate now for a 31 y.o average Right Fielder batting .272/.367/.481 with about 25-30 HRs per year?

 

 

 

 

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Blue Jays trade Marcum to the Brewers. They must be in the mix for Greinke.

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Blue Jays trade Marcum to the Brewers. They must be in the mix for Greinke.

 

I'm guessing your #1, 3 and 5th best prospect in the organization for Greinke would suffice.

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I'm guessing your #1, 3 and 5th best prospect in the organization for Greinke would suffice.

 

Last I read they (KC) wanted Travis Snyder and Kyle Drabek. The Brewers are throwing around Ryan Braun.

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Worst contract since the Rangers gave Chan Ho Suck 5 years and 65 million. In my opinion that is the worst. There are some other real doozies too.

 

 

Carl Pavano, New York Yankees — 4 years, $39.95 million

Carlos Silva, Seattle Mariners — 4 years, $48 million

Gary Matthews Jr, Los Angeles Angels — 5 years, $50 million

Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays — 7 years, $126 million

Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants — 7 years, $126 million

Andruw Jones, Los Angeles Dodgers — 2 years, $36.2 million

Jason Schmidt, Los Angeles Dodgers — 3 years, $47 million

Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies — 8 years, $121 million

Darren Dreifort, Los Angeles Dodgers — 5 years, $55 million

Mo Vaughn, Angels 6 years 80 million

Albert Belle, 5 years 65 million

 

Seeing that list makes me feel a little better about the Pavano contract. While the Yankees got absolutely nothing on their investment, at least they only gave him $10 million a year, and only for 4 years. Some of these brutal contracts are 6 or 7 years for about 17-20 per. Good God!

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Seeing that list makes me feel a little better about the Pavano contract. While the Yankees got absolutely nothing on their investment, at least they only gave him $10 million a year, and only for 4 years. Some of these brutal contracts are 6 or 7 years for about 17-20 per. Good God!

Pavano just never quite fit in yankeeland.

 

 

Also Belles contract while on the surface looked bad was really not as the insurance company picked up a large portion of it.

 

 

Hampton and Zito were the worst IMHO. Zito is still playing but is not even close to being able to justify his contract and Hampton broke down very quickly and was never able to come back fully.

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The Rangers are in talks as well in trying to acquire Greinke. Reports are also that C. Lee told Rangers teammates that he'd stay if the club offered him the 6 year deal.

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Worst contract since the Rangers gave Chan Ho Suck 5 years and 65 million. In my opinion that is the worst. There are some other real doozies too.

 

 

Carl Pavano, New York Yankees — 4 years, $39.95 million

Carlos Silva, Seattle Mariners — 4 years, $48 million

Gary Matthews Jr, Los Angeles Angels — 5 years, $50 million

Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays — 7 years, $126 million

Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants — 7 years, $126 million

Andruw Jones, Los Angeles Dodgers — 2 years, $36.2 million

Jason Schmidt, Los Angeles Dodgers — 3 years, $47 million

Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies — 8 years, $121 million

Darren Dreifort, Los Angeles Dodgers — 5 years, $55 million

Mo Vaughn, Angels 6 years 80 million

Albert Belle, 5 years 65 million

 

Well...to defend Zito a little here. Pretty much every player on that list, except Wells and Zito, were injured eventually during their contract or just didn't play for their team at all, no reason NOT to say it was a complete waste on money.

The thing with Zito is, even if he turned into a 5th in the rotation pitcher, he has been healthy all 4 season in SF and next season he'll be a pretty serviceable 5th starter.

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The Rangers are in talks as well in trying to acquire Greinke. Reports are also that C. Lee told Rangers teammates that he'd stay if the club offered him the 6 year deal.

How much would you piss your pants with glee if they got them both? It could happen. Greinke is under contract for a reasonable rate and they are looking for youngsters in any trade. If your willing to bet the farm now this really could be the year of the rangers.

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The Rangers are in talks as well in trying to acquire Greinke. Reports are also that C. Lee told Rangers teammates that he'd stay if the club offered him the 6 year deal.

 

The Lee talks are going to be interesting. Clearly the Yankees are going to outbid everyone on the market, so it's up to Lee on where he want to play and how badly he wants to play there. The Yankees have a meeting set for today with Lee and his agent and are expected to make an offer in the range of 7 years, $140 million (or so the rumor goes). Good Lord, that's a lot of cheese.

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The Lee talks are going to be interesting. Clearly the Yankees are going to outbid everyone on the market, so it's up to Lee on where he want to play and how badly he wants to play there. The Yankees have a meeting set for today with Lee and his agent and are expected to make an offer in the range of 7 years, $140 million (or so the rumor goes). Good Lord, that's a lot of cheese.

Its got to come down to being a hired gun type among other hired guns and the possibility of winning every single year with the yanks or Helping shape a good team with a fantastic owner/president and a staff for years to come with the rangers while putting his mark on a team. Its hard but I would want to go to the rangers at this point if the money was right or close to right on both sides.

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How much would you piss your pants with glee if they got them both? It could happen. Greinke is under contract for a reasonable rate and they are looking for youngsters in any trade. If your willing to bet the farm now this really could be the year of the rangers.

I'd prolly kill over and die.......... As great as it would be, I'm afraid it would hand tie the club in getting anybody else. We still need to resign Hamilton - and that won't be cheap. Also still need to sign a DH, Vlad wants to come back but at what price? Then there is a huge hole and need at catcher......... At this point, I'd say Greinke is more likely than Lee. If they Yanks are offering any kind of deal at 6 years or beyond, he is gone.

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Carl Crawford: Crawford was believed to be seeking a contract of up to eight years in length, and many felt something in the range $135 million over eight years would be enough to sign the Tampa Bay left fielder.

 

Jayson Werth and Boras set the bar high.

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Carl Crawford: Crawford was believed to be seeking a contract of up to eight years in length, and many felt something in the range $135 million over eight years would be enough to sign the Tampa Bay left fielder.

 

Jayson Werth and Boras set the bar high.

 

135 million is enough to pay the entire tampa bay roster the next 3 years

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135 million is enough to pay the entire tampa bay roster the next 3 years

 

True story. I bet it's enough to cover the Marlins, Pirates, and Rays for the next 3 years.

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According to Tony Jackson of ESPN Los Angeles, the Dodgers and Brewers are discussing a trade that would send Prince Fielder to LA and James Loney and Jonathan Broxton to Milwaukee.

Sounds like a really good deal for the Dodgers, who would get an established slugger that's only 26 in exchange for a first baseman with no power and a closer that lost his job this past season. We do think Broxton has a good shot to returning to elite closer status, but it would still be a great get for the Dodgers, who are looking to add more thunder to their lineup. Yahoo's Steve Henson reports that the Dodgers have "zero" interest in Fielder, so we'll see if this has legs.

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According to Tony Jackson of ESPN Los Angeles, the Dodgers and Brewers are discussing a trade that would send Prince Fielder to LA and James Loney and Jonathan Broxton to Milwaukee.

Sounds like a really good deal for the Dodgers, who would get an established slugger that's only 26 in exchange for a first baseman with no power and a closer that lost his job this past season. We do think Broxton has a good shot to returning to elite closer status, but it would still be a great get for the Dodgers, who are looking to add more thunder to their lineup. Yahoo's Steve Henson reports that the Dodgers have "zero" interest in Fielder, so we'll see if this has legs.

 

I agree that this would be a great deal for L.A. Prince Fielder is a great hitter and while Loney is okay and Broxton has potential to return to his closer role, I would pull the trigger on this.

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According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Yankees have grown frustrated at the slow pace of negotiations regarding lefty Cliff Lee.

The Yankees plan to sit tight until Lee and his agent are ready to get serious about numbers. They've expressed a desire to keep the contract length under six years, but that could always change if a darkhorse team -- or the Rangers, for that matter -- offer seven. Lee, 32, registered a sparkling 3.18 ERA and 1.00 WHIP this past year while striking out 185 batters and issuing only 18 walks. He is thought to be seeking $25 million annually.

 

A dark horse team like........the phillys?

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Buster Olney tweets Tuesday morning there is a growing speculation among rival agents and executives that the Washington Nationals are going to throw a HUGE number at Cliff Lee.

 

Yankees offered six years today. Nationals are going to offer 7 and about 20 million more than anyone else.

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The Red Sox are actively trying to get a deal done with the Nationals for Josh Willingham. My BIL works for Sosnick Cobbe Sports, who represent Hammer. He texted me earlier saying the Red Sox are close to a deal. We'll see...

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Yankees offered six years today. Nationals are going to offer 7 and about 20 million more than anyone else.

Willingham is not too bad. That would be good for both of them.

 

 

No got dang way lee goes to The nats. They are living a pipe dream if they think they can make any kind of offer less than him being the first 30 mil man to go there. Just because they overpaid for werth doesn't mean people want to play for the nats. I applaud their effort but if its not about the money so much(if it were he would have already signed with the yanks) then its about the potential of the team around you to win. And the nats just dont have it and may not have it for half or more of any contract he signs.

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Even if the Nats get Lee, Werth and Carl Crawford, they still won't be in the playoffs.