Hot Stove Baseball Thread

[tikigods 76]

Willingham is not too bad. That would be good for both of them.

 

 

No got dang way lee goes to The nats. They are living a pipe dream if they think they can make any kind of offer less than him being the first 30 mil man to go there. Just because they overpaid for werth doesn't mean people want to play for the nats. I applaud their effort but if its not about the money so much(if it were he would have already signed with the yanks) then its about the potential of the team around you to win. And the nats just dont have it and may not have it for half or more of any contract he signs.

 

I read somewhere today that the Nat's owner is worth like 3 billion dollars. He is willing to spend in order to win. They were comparing him to Mark Cuban...with a billion more dollars than Cuban.

[kilroy69 1,268]

The Cubs are meeting with Brandon Webb's agent Tuesday afternoon.

The chat will take place down at MLB's Winter Meetings in Orlando, Florida. The Rangers met Monday with Webb's agent and the Nationals are also expected to throw their hat in the ring at some point this week. The right-handed Webb hasn't thrown a pitch since the first week of the 2009 season because of chronic shoulder issues, but he has enough interest and had enough past success to finagle a one-year contract packed with incentives

 

 

This is the type of ###### that pisses me off. Why are the tigers not making any kind of effort here. Give him a minor league offer and see what he has. He can't be as bad as some of the people we have given a shot.

 

 

Andrew Miller is headed to the Winter Meetings to meet with teams.

The 25-year-old southpaw and former top prospect has drawn a considerable amount of interest this winter and wants to find the best fit via interviews with club officials. He has posted a disappointing 5.84 ERA over his first 79 big league appearances, but the talent is there and could be tapped in the right system. The Red Sox remain interested in re-signing him.

 

 

This kid needs to get a personal pitching coach and work on being efficiently wild.......as opposed to flat out wild.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Yankees offered six years today. Nationals are going to offer 7 and about 20 million more than anyone else.

6 plus year deals almost always never pan out in favor of the signing team. I love Lee, but at 32 years of age now, I do not handcuff my club with a guaranteed 6-year deal and a gazillion dollars. I'd do 5 with an option for 6 - or look elsewhere, like Greinke.

[kilroy69 1,268]

I read somewhere today that the Nat's owner is worth like 3 billion dollars. He is willing to spend in order to win. They were comparing him to Mark Cuban...with a billion more dollars than Cuban.

Hey if he wants to set a bar he could force the nats into overpaying him and making him the highest paid player ever.

[tikigods 76]

6 plus year deals almost always never pan out in favor of the signing team. I love Lee, but at 32 years of age now, I do not handcuff my club with a guaranteed 6-year deal and a gazillion dollars. I'd do 5 with an option for 6 - or look elsewhere, like Greinke.

 

Honestly, I don't think the Nats care. Look at the Werth contract...he'll be 38-39 years old when that contract ends. My guess is he'll never play out that full contract or put up close to the numbers. I think their plan is to just buy up the market. If they were smart, which apparently they're not, they'd go after Crawford. Locking up Lee for 7 years at 30 million a season is just plain stupid.

[kilroy69 1,268]

Honestly, I don't think the Nats care. Look at the Werth contract...he'll be 38-39 years old when that contract ends. My guess is he'll never play out that full contract or put up close to the numbers. I think their plan is to just buy up the market. If they were smart, which apparently they're not, they'd go after Crawford. Locking up Lee for 7 years at 30 million a season is just plain stupid.

They have tried to buy up the market but its still not working. They are having to vastly overpay players to come there and still are getting turned down by the better players.

[RicemanX 20]

God I hate baseball when teams try to just buy up the market and overbid teams.

 

Please please please implement a cap.

 

Whats the argument against a salary cap?

[kilroy69 1,268]

God I hate baseball when teams try to just buy up the market and overbid teams.

 

Please please please implement a cap.

 

Whats the argument against a salary cap?

I blieve it would be that they have a luxury tax and that it acts like a salary cap. But it really doesnt because if you have more money than god paying the luxury tax ain't ######.

[Cruzer 1,996]

Locking up Lee for 7 years at 30 million a season is just plain stupid.

Agreed. But what a great deal for Lee if they did something similar - couldn't blame him for taking a 7-year deal at $175 mil. Think even the Yanks wouldn't touch that.

[tikigods 76]

God I hate baseball when teams try to just buy up the market and overbid teams.

 

Please please please implement a cap.

 

Whats the argument against a salary cap?

 

The argument is simple: MLBPA. I'm sure you're old enough to remember the 1994 strike season.

[TAS 2]

Pirates signed Correia and waiting on the Olsen physical. Look out baseball world!

[kilroy69 1,268]

White Sox re-signed 1B Paul Konerko to a three-year, $37.5 million contract.

We knew these crazy kids would eventually get back together. Konerko, who turns 35 in March, will earn $12 million in each of the next two seasons and $6.5 million in 2013. The new contract also includes $1 million in deferred money from 2014-2020. The White Sox had to get creative in order to get this deal done, but they have assured themselves of a pretty potent one-two punch for the middle of their lineup with Konerko and the recently-signed Adam Dunn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone else find the $1 mil deferred over the course of 6 years on a 37 mil contract kinda odd?

[kilroy69 1,268]

Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Pirates are among the teams scouting Bartolo Colon in the Dominican Winter League.

According to Kovacevic, Colon has lost 40 pounds, so he's an early candidate for "best shape of his life" status. Now 37 years old, Colon hasn't pitched in the major leagues since 2009, but we wouldn't be surprised to see him get a spring training invite.

 

 

 

 

WOW......get some of that Peruvian marching powder there bart?

[RicemanX 20]

White Sox re-signed 1B Paul Konerko to a three-year, $37.5 million contract.

We knew these crazy kids would eventually get back together. Konerko, who turns 35 in March, will earn $12 million in each of the next two seasons and $6.5 million in 2013. The new contract also includes $1 million in deferred money from 2014-2020. The White Sox had to get creative in order to get this deal done, but they have assured themselves of a pretty potent one-two punch for the middle of their lineup with Konerko and the recently-signed Adam Dunn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone else find the $1 mil deferred over the course of 6 years on a 37 mil contract kinda odd?

Never seen that happen before. Pretty smart imo.

[RicemanX 20]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/phillies/120810-is-aaron-rowand-replacing-jayson-werth

 

The speculation is growing that former Phillies centerfielder Aaron Rowand will return to Philadelphia to replace Jayson Werth.

 

Rowand is the San Francisco Giants' version of Raul Ibanez, with a guaranteed contract that could make him untradeable - expect to the Phillies.

 

The Giants owe Rowand about $24 million over the next two years, and the speculation is that the Phillies would get a lot of cash from the Giants to take on Rowand's deal, much like the Roy Oswalt trade this summer.

 

 

PLEASE take him! Rowand has been nothing but bad for us.

[tikigods 76]

Alright you fucktards, I'm now energized to own you all in Geek Hardballers. Last year I wasn't very dedicated.

 

Also, I want to do a roto league. HTH sucks balls.

[kilroy69 1,268]

Alright you fucktards, I'm now energized to own you all in Geek Hardballers. Last year I wasn't very dedicated.

 

Also, I want to do a roto league. HTH sucks balls.

Ill play as long as its not a roto leage. I just cant stand it. Im in a league with one of the guys from here. Last year I came in 2nd.

[kilroy69 1,268]

Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox have reached agreement on a seven-year, $142 million contract with Carl Crawford.

The Red Sox must have learned Wednesday that the Angels were beginning to move aggressively. It's a shocking amount of money, but probably fitting in a market where Jayson Werth is handed a seven-year, $126 million deal. The 29-year-old Crawford batted .307/.356/.495 this past year with 19 home runs and 47 stolen bases for Tampa Bay. He's an excellent defensive outfielder and is now part of a massive roster improvement in Boston. That lineup suddenly looks really, really good.

[tikigods 76]

Ill play as long as its not a roto leage. I just cant stand it. Im in a league with one of the guys from here. Last year I came in 2nd.

 

HTH sucks. I hate it.

[kilroy69 1,268]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/phillies/120810-is-aaron-rowand-replacing-jayson-werth

 

 

 

PLEASE take him! Rowand has been nothing but bad for us.

He is owed 24 mil over the next 2 years. He aint going nowhere unless they eat a significant portion of that salary.

[kilroy69 1,268]

HTH sucks. I hate it.

I know for a fact were expanding our pay league next year. Its only like 20 bucks and it is a HTH but its a very active league and the guys are really pretty damn cool. If you can stomach a hth lemme know another active owner that knows about baseball is always nice.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

What's worse than watching boring assed baseball? Reading about boring assed baseball.

 

Yall are pathetic.

[kilroy69 1,268]

A source told the Boston Herald's Scott Lauber on Wednesday that free agent Magglio Ordonez is seeking a two-year, $20 million offer.

Ordonez is represented by super agent Scott Boras and it should come as no surprise that his asking price is that high. But we can guarantee he won't get it. The 36-year-old Ordonez posted a decent .303/.378/.474 batting line with 12 home runs and 59 RBI over 323 at-bats, but he's not a very good defensive outfielder and he's struggled recently to stay healthy.

 

 

Get out of here.......no REALLY get the fock out of here. 10 per mil for an aging power hitter with no focking power? Come the fock on. Grienke makes 13 mil per year. Throw money/prospects at the royals.

[tikigods 76]

I know for a fact were expanding our pay league next year. Its only like 20 bucks and it is a HTH but its a very active league and the guys are really pretty damn cool. If you can stomach a hth lemme know another active owner that knows about baseball is always nice.

 

Meh. I'd rather stick my d1ck in a light socket.

[kilroy69 1,268]

Meh. I'd rather stick my d1ck in a light socket.

you say that as though it were something you were not gonna do anyway..........as we speak your eying that socket.......ya sick fock

[tikigods 76]

you say that as though it were something you were not gonna do anyway..........as we speak your eying that socket.......ya sick fock

 

light socket or addict's bum? I'll take light socket.

[kilroy69 1,268]

light socket or addict's bum? I'll take light socket.

Its the internet. Im sure you are not the only one that like to ###### lightsockets.

[drobeski 3,061]

Crawford to the red sox !!!!!!

 

 

 

WOW!!!!!!

[drobeski 3,061]

Crawford to the red sox !!!!!!

 

 

 

WOW!!!!!!

Again

[sorrycharlie 0]

Crawford to the red sox !!!!!!

 

 

 

WOW!!!!!!

Again

 

Awful signing

7 years at more than 20 million a year for a player that's really done nothing but steal bases, and if he gets leg trouble is completely useless.

Ellsbury says Hi.

I love the Adrian move, but this one is a Bad Move IMO.

[tikigods 76]

Awful signing

7 years at more than 20 million a year for a player that's really done nothing but steal bases, and if he gets leg trouble is completely useless.

Ellsbury says Hi.

I love the Adrian move, but this one is a Bad Move IMO.

 

Ellsbury is going to be part of the Gonzalez deal. Mark my words.

[sorrycharlie 0]

Ellsbury is going to be part of the Gonzalez deal. Mark my words.

Sources?

I SERIOUSLY doubt that the PTBNL is Ellsbury, I'm not even sure they can do that.

I'd say IF they can do that, the chances of it happening are .0001%

He's too valuable.

[heavy-set 39]

Crawford to the red sox !!!!!!

 

 

 

WOW!!!!!!

Again

double posting annoy me

[heavy-set 39]

Awful signing

7 years at more than 20 million a year for a player that's really done nothing but steal bases, and if he gets leg trouble is completely useless.

Ellsbury says Hi.

I love the Adrian move, but this one is a Bad Move IMO.

he is good for 600+ plate appearances, bats .300 with a good OBP, and he runs. I do agree that IF he gets hurt, he is useless, but isnt every player?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Crawford to the red sox !!!!!!

 

 

 

WOW!!!!!!

 

[sorrycharlie 0]

he is good for 600+ plate appearances, bats .300 with a good OBP, and he runs. I do agree that IF he gets hurt, he is useless, but isnt every player?

He DOESN'T have a good OBP, only .337, OPS is weak too.

Gonzales is a lumbering corner infielder, yet he averages more doubles than Crawford, and Crawford is WEAK, he has almost no power.

Not liking this deal at all, I think it's foolish.

 

All he does is hit almost .300, and steals 54 bags a year, and that's worth alot closer to 10 or 12 million, not MORE than 20 million.

Epstein got FLEECED again.

[drobeski 3,061]

double posting annoy me

that's registering a negative 3 on my give-o-fock meter.

[drobeski 3,061]

double posting annoy me

that's registering a negative 3 on my give-o-fock meter

[edjr 6,898]

I do not like this signing.

 

A lot people complained about JD Drew making a tick over 14 million. Crawford is making 20 million? Too much, sorry. I know it's not my money, but it's too much.

 

They are paying Gonzalez and Crawford 20 million a year each? I wonder how Youk and Pedroia are going to be liking them apples.

 

I realize Papi and Drew are off the books next year, but their salary this year is going to be 200 million after they ink Gonzalez after opening day to avoid even more luxury tax.

 

The glove says they are expecting crawford to hit 3rd? I guess for 20 million he has to, but that's not where he should hit in this lineup

 

I am glad they are being active, but this contract is worse than the Werth contract.

 

Yankees Jr.

 

 

also, Red Sox single game tickets go on sale this Saturday, December 11th. No surprise there.

[heavy-set 39]

He DOESN'T have a good OBP, only .337, OPS is weak too.

Gonzales is a lumbering corner infielder, yet he averages more doubles than Crawford, and Crawford is WEAK, he has almost no power.

Not liking this deal at all, I think it's foolish.

 

All he does is hit almost .300, and steals 54 bags a year, and that's worth alot closer to 10 or 12 million, not MORE than 20 million.

Epstein got FLEECED again.

he isnt a power hitter.

 

.300, 20hrs, 90 rbi, 50 steals, 600+ AB

 

good job. who cares about the money? iam talking about the player