Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[TD Ryan2 316]

Sansa? not sure - guess I don't know the rules - didn't think a woman could be in line for a King's Throne? Don't they have to go thru the boys first?

Robb, Brandon, and then that other kid we never see (Rickon?) long before Sansa or Arya have any claim/power?

[OldMaid 2,135]

The books and the show - when it comes down to it revolve around 2 characters - Dany and Jon Snow. While I agree Dany is the best one in the show I do wish they did a little more with Snow's character. Which I why I believe Snow and Dany end up ruling together but

I'm not sure I agree with this, either.

 

 

Remember, Aegon (Rhaegar's son) is still alive. So, if our assumptions about Snow's parentage is correct, there will be three Targaryen's that could claim the throne. I see more of a battle between them, rather than any of them ruling together.

 

 

 

 

Also, another nice recap, TD.

[OldMaid 2,135]

 

Snow I believe is actually a Targaryen pure blood. That's the reason why I said it as Then Targaryen's were known for only marrying their own blood.

Also isn't "Sansa" next in line for Winterfell?

 

 

Huh? It's thought that Rheagar and Lyanna are his parents. That would only make him 1/2 Targaryen.

 

[OldMaid 2,135]

There might be less boobies coming in Game of Thrones:

 

 

Its combination of medieval fantasy and titillating nude scenes have helped to make Game of Thrones one of televisions most popular dramas.

Now, however, a star of the series has disclosed that one of its leading actresses has refused to appear in any more topless shots.

Oona Chaplin, who plays the noblewoman Talisa Maegyr, tells Mandrake: One of the girls in the show who got her kit off the most in the first couple of seasons now doesnt at all because she said, 'I want to be known for my acting not for my breasts. 

The granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin refuses to name the actress, but there has been much comment among viewers about Emilia Clarke, who plays the kings daughter Daenerys Targaryen, no longer appearing in such scenes.

Chaplin, 26, says she has no problem with the nudity herself. Im quite controversial when it comes to that because I adore womens bodies, she says at the first night of The Great Gatsby ballet at Sadlers Wells. If its done in a beautiful way, in a way that honours the female form, then Im always happy to see it.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10066239/Game-of-Thrones-star-rebels-over-topless-scenes.html

[TD Ryan2 316]

OldMaid - no doubt it's Emilia Clarke - but it's OK, it fits the whole character arc I mentioned earlier. Kinda' makes last night's episode a finale - the last glimpse we get of Dany!

This isn't a surprise. Once an actress "makes it" she often stops the nude scenes. There is still plenty to go around on Thrones, starting with Dany's translator.

[posty 2,820]

The granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin refuses to name the actress, but there has been much comment among viewers about Emilia Clarke, who plays the kings daughter Daenerys Targaryen, no longer appearing in such scenes.

 

 

And yet there she was in last night's episode nude but no merkin shot...

[southcarolina 166]

OldMaid - no doubt it's Emilia Clarke - but it's OK, it fits the whole character arc I mentioned earlier. Kinda' makes last night's episode a finale - the last glimpse we get of Dany!

This isn't a surprise. Once an actress "makes it" she often stops the nude scenes. There is still plenty to go around on Thrones, starting with Dany's translator.

My money is on Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell).Seems like its been a season or two since we last saw her magnificent rack. She apparently did a bunch of nude scenes when she was on The Tudors as well. So maybe she is just over doing nude scenes

 

 

As an aside Ms Dormer recently played a rather key character on the series Elementary.

[TD Ryan2 316]

My money is on Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell).Seems like its been a season or two since we last saw her magnificent rack. She apparently did a bunch of nude scenes when she was on The Tudors as well. So maybe she is just over doing nude scenes

 

 

As an aside Ms Dormer recently played a rather key character on the series Elementary.

 

have we seen that much of Margery to qualify her for this:

Oona Chaplin, who plays the noblewoman Talisa Maegyr, tells Mandrake: One of the girls in the show who got her kit off the most in the first couple of seasons now doesnt at all because

 

 

 

see - I don't think so. I'm not ever sure we've seen Tyrrell's ta-ta's in this show... have we?

Dany on the other hand, was just a candy show the first season or so.

[southcarolina 166]

 

have we seen that much of Margery to qualify her for this:

 

 

 

see - I don't think so. I'm not ever sure we've seen Tyrrell's ta-ta's in this show... have we?

Dany on the other hand, was just a candy show the first season or so.

I know she had at least one nude scene (with Renley Baratheon) but i may be remembering more scenes that she actually had.

[southcarolina 166]

Huh...so while i was ....errr....."researching" the GOT nude scenes, i stumbled across this....

 

 

http://kotaku.com/5986101/censored-versions-of-game-of-thrones-are-missing-boobs-bad-words

 

 

 

People have gone to the trouble of taking complete seasons of HBO's smash hit show, carefully editing out the worst parts, then collecting the remains and releasing them on torrent sites.

What's most interesting about this isn't just the fact it's being done, but what's being cut and what's staying behind. One uploader says "All of the nudity has been removed, some extreme swearing removed, and some other small things," have been taken out.

 

 

 

Ive been looking for a way to let my kids watch this show, maybe this is it.

[TD Ryan2 316]

southcarolina - I think you're mixing up all her scenes in Tudors (??) with Games - she just hasn't done much in Games. Maybe one or two? But they're pretty forgettable to me.

After Tudors (and I didn't watch that show much) wasn't Dormer practically a Cinemax "B" starlett" with all the "work" she put in? That's what she did in Tudors, I think?

And I was surprised that she didn't immediately go streaking in Thrones - I really thought that was what they brought her in for (having no idea then who Margery Tyrrel was in the books, story, etc).

 

[southcarolina 166]

southcarolina - I think you're mixing up all her scenes in Tudors (??) with Games - she just hasn't done much in Games. Maybe one or two? But they're pretty forgettable to me.

After Tudors (and I didn't watch that show much) wasn't Dormer practically a Cinemax "B" starlett" with all the "work" she put in? That's what she did in Tudors, I think?

And I was surprised that she didn't immediately go streaking in Thrones - I really thought that was what they brought her in for (having no idea then who Margery Tyrrel was in the books, story, etc).

 

I pretty much just said that Maybe its Hodor

 

According to IMDB he was in a couple of one season and done tv series in England and a couple of movies ive never heard of between The Tudors and Games. Looks like she is getting plenty of work now, with her guest spot on Elementay and 4 other projects in post production

[TD Ryan2 316]

ok - so if they've got one version with all the "bad stuff" removed, can't we get a version that's ONLY the bad stuff? You know, a "worst of Games" 10 or 20 minute short?

[OldMaid 2,135]

My money is on Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell).Seems like its been a season or two since we last saw her magnificent rack. She apparently did a bunch of nude scenes when she was on The Tudors as well. So maybe she is just over doing nude scenes

 

 

As an aside Ms Dormer recently played a rather key character on the series Elementary.

Considering that Natalie Dormer wasn't even on GOT the first season, pretty much rules her out. It has to be Amelia Clarke- she's the only one who makes any sense.

[The Moz 71]

 

Huh? It's thought that Rheagar and Lyanna are his parents. That would only make him 1/2 Targaryen.

 

 

I misspoke (typed) I didn't mean pure blood I meant purer blood than basically anyone else she could marry

 

[OldMaid 2,135]

 

I misspoke (typed) I didn't mean pure blood I meant purer blood than basically anyone else she could marry

 

 

Except Aegon.

 

[southcarolina 166]

Considering that Natalie Dormer wasn't even on GOT the first season, pretty much rules her out. It has to be Amelia Clarke- she's the only one who makes any sense.

Go ahead pile on. I'll remember that when 12G1C time rolls around.

[The Moz 71]

I know she had at least one nude scene (with Renley Baratheon) but i may be remembering more scenes that she actually had.

That's sort of like Sux having a Nude scene with someone......

 

Nekkid chick: Haaaayyy

Sux: Ewwwwwww your missing something down there and what are those bumps on your chest?

Nekkid Chick: Awk-ward

[OldMaid 2,135]

That's sort of like Sux having a Nude scene with someone......

 

Nekkid chick: Haaaayyy

Sux: Ewwwwwww your missing something down there and what are those bumps on your chest?

Nekkid Chick: Awk-ward

You know what's even funnier? You could reverse those roles and it would still work.

[posty 2,820]

Cersei -

There are not words to describe how viscous this woman is. Her comments to Margery, "You ever call me sister again, I'll have you strangled in your sleep," "if you ever call me sister again, I'll have your throat slit" coupled with her history lessons on the "second wealthiest family" show just how ruthless and capable she is. She is Tywin's heir - moreso that Jamie or Tyrion who have both shown some honor and humanity. I have never seen Margery so unhinged. The Tyrrells have their hands full. Which brings us to...

 

 

Fixed...

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

Fixed...

 

you know - I knew it wasn't exact - didn't care to look it up.

but after reading your EXACT quote vs. my paraphrase - it's even juicier than I remember.... 'I'll have you strangled in your sleep"... it's so viscous sneaky, sinister, and evil... it's even more disturbing than my version, "I'll have your throat slit".

Cersei is one sinister bi@tch.

[OldMaid 2,135]

you know - I knew it wasn't exact - didn't care to look it up.

but after reading your EXACT quote vs. my paraphrase - it's even juicier than I remember.... 'I'll have you strangled in your sleep"... it's so viscous sneaky, sinister, and evil... it's even more disturbing than my version, "I'll have your throat slit".

Cersei is one sinister bi@tch.

In a way, Cersei is the Lannister I feel the most sorry for. All she's ever wanted was to be powerful and respected like her father. Except, there's only one problem... She's a woman. So, she's inclined to give in to her emotions-jealousy, envy, pettiness, a mother's love for her children, her love for Jamie, etc. All of which keep her from attaining her goals. Plus, women are not generally respected as leaders in Westeros.

 

Most people are lucky, as in their true talents usually align somewhat with their goals. But imagine what it would be like if you were totally unsuited for what your heart truly desires... It has taken it's toll on her and left her angry and bitter.

[TD Ryan2 316]

In a way, Cersei is the Lannister I feel the most sorry for. All she's ever wanted was to be powerful and respected like her father. Except, there's only one problem... She's a woman. So, she's inclined to give in to her emotions-jealousy, envy, pettiness, a mother's love for her children, her love for Jamie, etc. All of which keep her from attaining her goals. Plus, women are not generally respected as leaders in Westeros.

 

Most people are lucky, as in their true talents usually align somewhat with their goals. But imagine what it would be like if you were totally unsuited for what your heart truly desires... It has taken it's toll on her and left her angry and bitter.

Oh sweet Jesus - in that kaleidoscope of ass wholes, Cersei may be the brownest. Even if you want to vote Joff over her, she created him!

 

I get your point, she's a woman and evil men have controlled her life - but she's beyond excuses bc her actions are do low. You can find dysfunction and tragedy in the lives of most of the worst criminals: mass murderers, rapists, etc. after they've crossed that inhuman threshold there is no sympathy or forgiveness. Cersei is broken beyond repair, inhumane, and deserves to die (or live) in some horrific manner.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You know, something about Cersei makes me like her. I have always been strangely attracted to horrible women though, for some strange reason. Show me an attractive succubi any day of the week and I'll fall all over myself for her. I dunno, obviously it's some kind of psychological shortcoming. Fortunately I did manage to marry a good woman though.

 

Anyway, I was glad to see Cersei get her bite back this week. It's been a tough turn of events for her. She loses her brother/lover, she comes to find out her son is a psycopathic sadist who will never, ever make a decent king, and now she's being forced to marry the ghey dude from a family she thoroughly hates. I was afraid all this had left her beaten down, so it was nice to see her recover in classic Cersei fashion.

 

TD Ryan - Great recap but I'm surprised you didn't mention the hex cast by the fire lady, Melisandre. (And while we're talking about the dragon lady, holy hell does she have a surprisingly good body! I thought she was a little too old to look like that, no offense Old Maid .) So it seems very bad things are coming to Joffrey, Robb Stark and Baylon Greyjoy. Melisandre's hex sure worked pretty damn well on ol' Renly anyway.

 

And what's with that fat pile Sam leaving the White Walker-killing dagger in the snow? I literally yelled at my TV for him to get the g0d damned dagger at the end of the episode. You're gonna need that again man!!

 

No seemingly pointless Theon Greyjoy torture scenes in this episode, so that was nice. About the only thing I didn't like about this episode was that Daario bro who's totally looking to score with Dany. I didn't think they had surfer dude bros in fantasy worlds.

 

Fantastic episode all around. It really makes me excited for the last batch of episodes this season

[TD Ryan2 316]

Leeches.... Worms.... hmmmm.... no wonder you were so focused on that scene.

It did occur to me that those 3 are walking dead now: Joffrey, Robb, Balon.

 

Joffery - we will take great pleasure in his comeuppance. I have to believe Joff's death will be the stuff of season finales. Who is the heir if/when Joff is gone?

 

Rob - he's just not that great. I've felt all along the he's a "Stark Placeholder" until the supernatural Bran can take his place. Rob isn't bad - but he's no Ned and he doesn't have any bad ass super abilities either.

 

Balon - we don't see much of him but the Iron Isle's folks have been painted as a miserable, war and violence loving group that isn't actually that good at winning wars and therefore makes them a violent bunch of losers. Balon is the leader/epitomy of this so his demise will be nice but more of an afterthought.

[Quickolas1 80]

TDRyan2, don't listen to Moz...

he's making insinuations based on the books.

 

I agree that Dany & Snow are the focus of the tv show.

I'm not sure they are the two heroes or focus (or whatever term) for the books.

For example, I think Arya is on equal footing.

 

And the books/show are without question two separate entities although of course drawing its content from the books.

The show is about 75% less content with the rest being tweaked and prodded (which is fine).

[The Moz 71]

TDRyan2, don't listen to Moz...

he's making insinuations based on the books.

 

I agree that Dany & Snow are the focus of the tv show.

I'm not sure they are the two heroes or focus (or whatever term) for the books. For example, I think Arya could be just as important.

 

And the books/show are without question two separate entities although of course drawing its content from the books.

The show is about 75% less content with the rest being tweaked and prodded (which is fine).

You don't think Dany and Snow are the main focus? Maybe you can group Arya in there - IMO at least Snow and Dany are the 2 steady characters and story lines throughout books 1-3,5.

 

 

You saying you do not think Snow is 1/2 Stark 1/2 Targaryen?

 

 

The TV show I think follows the books pretty well considering.

 

 

That said if somehow Robb Stark survives the Red Wedding in the show then that's blown away

-- but I would have thought if they were going that route they would have let Ned Live.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Rob - he's just not that great. I've felt all along the he's a "Stark Placeholder" until the supernatural Bran can take his place. Rob isn't bad - but he's no Ned and he doesn't have any bad ass super abilities either.

 

Don't forget about Arya. They have gone out of their way several times to foreshadow big things for her in the future.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Don't forget about Arya. They have gone out of their way several times to foreshadow big things for her in the future.

Yup - but she doesn't seem like rulersip material - more of the badass sidekick that enforces her teams will and tells them to fock off when needed.

 

Again Who is Joffreys heir? If red lady's curse gets him who's next in the throne?

[The Moz 71]

 

Again Who is Joffreys heir? If red lady's curse gets him who's next in the throne?

 

You find out either this season or next year

 

[southcarolina 166]

Yup - but she doesn't seem like rulersip material - more of the badass sidekick that enforces her teams will and tells them to fock off when needed.

 

Again Who is Joffreys heir? If red lady's curse gets him who's next in the throne?

If he gets offed after he gets married, wouldnt Margeary (the queen) inherit the throne? Or does Westeros have to have a king? If he gets killed before the marriage, Joffrey's got a younger brother. I could see Tywin installing himself as King Until Lil Bro Grows Up.

[The Moz 71]

If he gets offed after he gets married, wouldnt Margeary (the queen) inherit the throne? Or does Westeros have to have a king? If he gets killed before the marriage, Joffrey's got a younger brother. I could see Tywin installing himself as King Until Lil Bro Grows Up.

 

 

[OldMaid 2,135]

Oh sweet Jesus - in that kaleidoscope of ass wholes, Cersei may be the brownest. Even if you want to vote Joff over her, she created him!

I get your point, she's a woman and evil men have controlled her life - but she's beyond excuses bc her actions are do low. You can find dysfunction and tragedy in the lives of most of the worst criminals: mass murderers, rapists, etc. after they've crossed that inhuman threshold there is no sympathy or forgiveness. Cersei is broken beyond repair, inhumane, and deserves to die (or live) in some horrific manner.

 

I keep forgetting you've only read the first book, so it would be hard for you to sympathize with her. Maybe you'll feel differently as her story unfolds. Do you have plans to read the others?

 

That's one of the great things about Martin's writing. His ability to explore the human condition... and he rarely paints his characters as truly good or evil. He understands that most of the time things are not black and white and offers up insights into what makes his characters "tick".

[Quickolas1 80]

I'm just saying I think a few of the characters are on equal footing as far as importance to the book story.

I'm not focused on end-game who ends up ruling.

If anything, I think the point is who ends up ruling is somewhat comical and short-lived.

 

to answer Moz who asked me a diff question about later-on book stuff...

 

yes, Jon Snow is 1/2 lyanna stark, 1/2 targaryan. although I don't think that makes him more important than arya or bran or jamie. they get close to equal # of chapters in the book which I think holds a lot of meaning.

 

[Quickolas1 80]

I keep forgetting you've only read the first book, so it would be hard for you to sympathize with her. Maybe you'll feel differently as her story unfolds. Do you have plans to read the others?

 

That's one of the great things about Martin's writing. His ability to explore the human condition... and he rarely paints his characters as truly good or evil. He understands that most of the time things are not black and white and offers up insights into what makes his characters "tick".

 

3rd person omniscient means a lot. and we see the story unfold from the viewpoint (and inner feelings) of many of the characters.

you can't do that on film.

 

that is why the harry potter movies were in most respects a detriment to the books - and unfortunately were happening at the same time - as the books.

and that was only from the central characters' viewpoint.

 

cliff notes: I think it is much better and satisfying to read the books before seeing the TV show for GoT.

[TD Ryan2 316]

If he gets offed after he gets married, wouldnt Margeary (the queen) inherit the throne? Or does Westeros have to have a king? If he gets killed before the marriage, Joffrey's got a younger brother. I could see Tywin installing himself as King Until Lil Bro Grows Up.

I hadn't considered Margery? but no way the Lannisters let that happen.

I think you're right about Tywin - he'd be "steward" or something like that until the rightful Lannister heir was "old enough".

 

but imagine that - Margery becomes queen in Cersei's place? huh - that's a keen twist.

 

RE: Cersei

I hear you Worms/Maid - I get that she's suffered her own miseries and that it's "nice' to see her regain her chops a bit.

But from a TV viewers standpoint - she hasn't had a redeeming moment yet the way Jamie or the Hound has. Agreed that Martin does a GREAT job of humanizing everyone - keeping it real/believable with human motives and behaviors instead of archetypical black/white characters.

But there are a few that just haven't redeemed themselves in any way:

Cersei

Lyssa

Joffrey

The Mountain

Theon's torturer

 

even bad guys like Tywin and Littlefinger have some respectability.

[Quickolas1 80]

I believe Sansa is the "heir" to Robb if Tywin can defeat Robb because Robb "doesn't have a son" and they think Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon.

 

Cersei didn't become Queen when Robert died.

 

Which, of course, is comical. The wife can't become the ruler but the sister can.

[southcarolina 166]

I believe Sansa is the "heir" to Robb if Tywin can defeat Robb because Robb "doesn't have a son" and they think Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon.

 

Cersei didn't become Queen when Robert died.

 

Which, of course, is comical. The wife can't become the ruler but the sister can.

I thought Cersei didnt become Queen when Robert died because Robert had an heir. Joffrey has no heirs, so maybe his wife would become THE Queen.Same with Robb...he has an heir on the way, but no one knows, hence all the interest in marryingSansa off. .

 

 

But maybe Westeros requires a male ruler? I dont know, i havent read the books

[Quickolas1 80]

Stannis i.e. sibling if Joffrey hadn't been the "heir."

It's always male until there isn't one. Then it can be female. Sister (bloodline) trumps wife.

[southcarolina 166]

Stannis i.e. sibling if no Joffrey as "heir."

So the succession rules to Westeros are set up to have a male ruler no matter what? Im not arguing, i just am asking if this was something covered in the books.

 

I always kind of thought Stannis' claim to the throne was based on Joffrey's age, not his status as Robert's brother. IOW Stannis was attempting to become king on an interim basis, with an eye toward Joffrey mysteriously disappearing after the coronation.