Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[The Moz 71]

 

If you google the words, "why does George Martin", the first choice for auto complete is "hate the Starks" .

 

 

I know 1 gets his haid on a pike , the other his haid chopped off and a wolfs haid put on instead. I shutter to think what becomes of Snow's (if he is dead) -- do the Wildlings poke out the eyes and skull fock it?

 

[frank 2,347]

 

I was referring to whether or Not Jon Snow is dead or not. If dead he is doing the same thing he did with Ned and Robb if not he is changing it up -- if he is dead then DAMN Martin hates the Stark Family.

 

Right. My friend thinks it isn't true or that it somehow won't stay true. I think it is true.

[CantTouchThis 23]

One thing that is somewhat predictable that I think will happen is Dany eventually, probably temporarily, takes the Throne. By then it will be winter, and no one will give a fock because they are dying.

 

BTW, did you know the actor that plays Arya is 16? It seems young actors always play someone 4-5 years younger than they are in real life. Like the dude who plays Jon Snow is like 28.

 

Now that I had time to recover from the shock, I love the Arya/Hound duo. Arya extreme hatred yet has a mystical respect for him as a warrior. Him, now alone, looking to make up for the terrible things he has done for the kings/tyrants he has served his whole life, also to be better than his brother. It goes back to that whole no one is purely evil or purely good, everyone has good and bad in them. You can tell Martin is a fan of Aristotle's teachings.

 

Stark is down. Geoffrey and Greyjoy next? In the finale, or 14 books from now? Does that mean Stannis will, indeed, take the Throne? I think he is the underdog, except no one is really rooting for him.

 

So, basically, right now we have 3 people/families at or going for the Throne. The Lannisters, Stannis of house Berathean, and Daenerys Stormborn; the last of house Targaryen, breaker of chains, Khaleesi of the Dothraki, and mother of dragons(Also she is like half dragon, I never really got exactly how that went...during the break I watched season 1 again). The Tyrell's are very interesting and cunning bunch. I don't think we(non-book readers that is) know them well enough to know what they're up to. That means none of those posers will actually take the Throne in the end. Little Finger is a dark horse, you can never forget about him. He might be the single most dangerous person in Westeros, and rarely has to draw a weapon(the only time was on Rob Stark, but that wasn't to kill him).

[posty 2,820]

BTW, did you know the actor that plays Arya is 16? It seems young actors always play someone 4-5 years younger than they are in real life. Like the dude who plays Jon Snow is like 28.

 

And Sophie Turner is 17...

 

Kit Harrington is 26...

[Quickolas1 80]

 

I know 1 gets his haid on a pike , the other his haid chopped off and a wolfs haid put on instead. I shutter to think what becomes of Snow's (if he is dead) -- do the Wildlings poke out the eyes and skull fock it?

 

 

 

He's not dead - he's the exception to the Ned/Robb rule and his lineage is important - plus he got jacked by Crows anyway, not wildlings.

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I thought the Red Wedding thing was way too telegraphed. It was supposed to be a shocker but you could see it coming a mile away. I gotta have a laugh at all the idiots acting shocked on Youtube. Really? Seriously??

 

Frankly I thought the episode was dissapointing, and that's coming from someone who HASN'T read the books.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Hence why James Patterson's book blow so bad. Dude writes 5 books a year..........

Patterson doesn't write them. Ghost writers do. It's the same thing with all those big name mystery writers who crank out multiple books every year.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Also, is it just me or does the new guy who's sweet on Daenarys remind anyone of the shapeshifter dude that Arya Stark freed? He sure seems to be able to kill people in a stealthy fashion and he's also got the same sort of disarming quality and that odd sort of "thief's honor" thing going on.

 

[southcarolina 166]

Wow.

[rallo 138]

Patterson doesn't write them. Ghost writers do. It's the same thing with all those big name mystery writers who crank out multiple books every year.

i remember liking

kiss the girls

along came a spider

hide and seek...

 

then i figure he must have ran out of nursery rhymes to name his books after...

[parrot 790]

Alsi, is it just me or does the new guy who's sweet on Daenarys remind anyone of the shapeshifter dude that Arya Stark freed? He sure seems to be able to kill people in a stealthy fashion and he's also got the same sort of disarming quality and that odd sort of "thief's honor" thing going on.

 

 

Nah. Now that guy who chopped off Jaime's hand, he's got a disarming quality.

[southcarolina 166]

"Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters."

 

 

Hehe.

[WahooJim 4]

Patterson doesn't write them. Ghost writers do. It's the same thing with all those big name mystery writers who crank out multiple books every year.

I realize this. Same with Clancy and other famed writers. They still suck ass.

[The Moz 71]

"Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters."

 

 

Hehe.

I think someone named Stark nailed his mom, wife, mistress, and then focked his dog too. Then for good measure kicked said dog and pissed in his cheerios on the way out.

[OldMaid 2,135]

"Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters."

 

 

Hehe.

[rallo 138]

Also, is it just me or does the new guy who's sweet on Daenarys remind anyone of the shapeshifter dude that Arya Stark freed? He sure seems to be able to kill people in a stealthy fashion and he's also got the same sort of disarming quality and that odd sort of "thief's honor" thing going on.

 

 

 

side note... something is weird about that actor's face... i can't put my finger on it, but it looks a little focked up

[Quickolas1 80]

author said on Conan he's "furiously writing book 6 and it's another monster (sized) like book 5."

 

so based on past history... that probably means... 2017... maybe...

[edjr 6,902]

I am pretty confident he has the entire series written and out before the 2nd part of season 5 ends.

 

Yeah, like Lost.

[edjr 6,902]

I thought the Red Wedding thing was way too telegraphed. It was supposed to be a shocker but you could see it coming a mile away. I gotta have a laugh at all the idiots acting shocked on Youtube. Really? Seriously??

 

Frankly I thought the episode was dissapointing, and that's coming from someone who HASN'T read the books.

 

yeah, we knew it was coming too. The baby getting stabbed 1st was pretty shocking, no one could have predicted that. Then add in watching it with a pregnant chick and it's even more shocking.

[Big Blue 06 196]

 

yeah, we knew it was coming too. The baby getting stabbed 1st was pretty shocking, no one could have predicted that. Then add in watching it with a pregnant chick and it's even more shocking.

 

Agreed there. The baby/baby mama getting it first was probably the worst. The other thing that really bummed me out was them killing Robb's wolf. I knew it was going to happen, but I still had to mute it.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Agreed there. The baby/baby mama getting it first was probably the worst. The other thing that really bummed me out was them killing Robb's wolf. I knew it was going to happen, but I still had to mute it.

Agreed... As much as it was horrible to lose Robb and Catelyn as characters, I was really broken up about that wolf.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

yeah, we knew it was coming too. The baby getting stabbed 1st was pretty shocking, no one could have predicted that. Then add in watching it with a pregnant chick and it's even more shocking.

Good for you for seeing that it was coming. That's what I meant when I said it was telegraphed.

 

Foreshadowing is one thing but IMO it was too heavy handed in this instance.

[Big Blue 06 196]

Agreed... As much as it was horrible to lose Robb and Catelyn as characters, I was really broken up about that wolf.

 

When they didn't show the wolf acting suspiciously before everyone went in the hall, I was hopeful that they would skip over involving him.

[redtodd 7]

Good for you for seeing that it was coming. That's what I meant when I said it was telegraphed.

Foreshadowing is one thing but IMO it was too heavy handed in this instance.

When you mean telegraphed, do you mean you knew it early in the season or when the door closes?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

When you mean telegraphed, do you mean you knew it early in the season or when the door closes?

You knew something was coming for pretty much the whole season. It was obvious that the wedding was an ambush from the beginning of the episode.

 

Basically I really could've done without the scene where the old focker talks about how Stark betrayed him and what a hot piece of ass his ill-gotten wife was. That made it obvious.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Here's the thing - I knew it was coming too - look back to my earlier posts - I'm still convinced Joffrey dies soon (maybe this week?).

 

But the whole scene was still well done and the gritty, gruesome details made it shocking - I knew Robb was going to die - but not like that.

 

Robb needed more Joffrey in his leadership style - the second Walder talked to Rob/Cat/Wife, etc Rob should have put Walder's head in a spike.

[parrot 790]

I think they made it pretty obvious that something was coming, but based by the reactions of the television watching public, I don't think a lot of people say THAT coming. And like TD says, even if you saw it coming, it was still a great scene.

 

Interesting video on the Talisa character.

 

[rallo 138]

Agreed... As much as it was horrible to lose Robb and Catelyn as characters, I was really broken up about that wolf.

 

Reading the book i was bummed when robb dies/ yet creepily elated when catelyn went down... watching the series was different for me... Cat wasn't quite as unbearable (maybe because she didn't have a leading role like she did in the book). For some reason i felt indifferent when robb died this time.

 

I DO wonder how Jeyne will play out in the upcoming books... as book readers know that she isn't dead there yet. i hope Martin doesn't curtail plans based on how HBO depicts his story

[OldMaid 2,135]

Reading the book i was bummed when robb dies/ yet creepily elated when catelyn went down... watching the series was different for me... Cat wasn't quite as unbearable (maybe because she didn't have a leading role like she did in the book). For some reason i felt indifferent when robb died this time.

 

I DO wonder how Jeyne will play out in the upcoming books... as book readers know that she isn't dead there yet. i hope Martin doesn't curtail plans based on how HBO depicts his story

 

I'm still mystified on how everyone hated Cat... maybe you have to be a woman to "get" her.

 

I remember when I read that part in the book, I'll admit, I cried a little. It was just SO awful. I'm not sure I've ever had such a powerful reaction from a book before... I also think the book did a better job of surprising us with it. I NEVER saw it coming while I was reading it. If Ned was a surprise, this was a total shocker.

 

I'm afraid that his involvement in the series is already changing the way things shape up, in the last two installments... as somebody else stated: there's just no way that it couldn't.

[parrot 790]

I'm still mystified on how everyone hated Cat... maybe you have to be a woman to "get" her.

 

I remember when I read that part in the book, I'll admit, I cried a little. It was just SO awful. I'm not sure I've ever had such a powerful reaction from a book before... I also think the book did a better job of surprising us with it. I NEVER saw it coming while I was reading it. If Ned was a surprise, this was a total shocker.

 

I'm afraid that his involvement in the series is already changing the way things shape up, in the last two installments... as somebody else stated: there's just no way that it couldn't.

"It should have been you Jon." 'Nuff said.

 

As shocking as I found the Red Wedding, I wasn't nearly as shocked, or upset, as when Ned lost his head. That was a total "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!" moment for me.

[rallo 138]

I'm still mystified on how everyone hated Cat... maybe you have to be a woman to "get" her.

 

I remember when I read that part in the book, I'll admit, I cried a little. It was just SO awful. I'm not sure I've ever had such a powerful reaction from a book before... I also think the book did a better job of surprising us with it. I NEVER saw it coming while I was reading it. If Ned was a surprise, this was a total shocker.

 

I'm afraid that his involvement in the series is already changing the way things shape up, in the last two installments... as somebody else stated: there's just no way that it couldn't.

I'll be honest... i didn't see Cat's death coming, but Robb's from a mile away... and maybe not during the ceremony but AT the twins. Martin gave all the clues

 

Grey wind going nuts and blocking the path to the castle

Cat making such a big deal about eating so they would be granted safe passage

Frey saying something along the lines 'the wine will flow red...'

Robb making sure Jeyne didn't come with... the writing was on the wall

 

As with Cat... i can't explain why i didn't like here... at first i felt sorry for her... but then it just kept dragging on. Maybe if there weren't so many chapters devoted to here constant sorrow...

 

As stated before i liked Cat more in the show than in the novel... perhaps because she didn't have such a primary role as she did in the novel

[Quickolas1 80]

 

Grey wind going nuts and blocking the path to the castle

Cat making such a big deal about eating so they would be granted safe passage

Frey saying something along the lines 'the wine will flow red...'

Robb making sure Jeyne didn't come with... the writing was on the wall

 

 

what was so well done in the books was... IMO... these things all happened in a very short Catelyn chapter, then a very short Arya approaching chapter, then boom Catelyn Red Wedding chapter. a lot of clues... but RIGHT before it was going to happen. not repeating the clues over and over again or a hundred pages of buildup which I think would have dulled it much more.

 

IMO if there was anyone to tear up for, it was Arya... and everything that has encircled her.

And she didn't even have the blissfully ignorant dreams of a perfect life like older Sansa... their defining contrast.

 

I'm afraid that his involvement in the series is already changing the way things shape up, in the last two installments... as somebody else stated: there's just no way that it couldn't.

 

 

huh? in what way?

[OldMaid 2,135]

I'll be honest... i didn't see Cat's death coming, but Robb's from a mile away... and maybe not during the ceremony but AT the twins. Martin gave all the clues

 

Grey wind going nuts and blocking the path to the castle

Cat making such a big deal about eating so they would be granted safe passage

Frey saying something along the lines 'the wine will flow red...'

Robb making sure Jeyne didn't come with... the writing was on the wall

 

As with Cat... i can't explain why i didn't like here... at first i felt sorry for her... but then it just kept dragging on. Maybe if there weren't so many chapters devoted to here constant sorrow...

 

As stated before i liked Cat more in the show than in the novel... perhaps because she didn't have such a primary role as she did in the novel

what was so well done in the books was... IMO... these things all happened in a very short Catelyn chapter, then a very short Arya approaching chapter, then boom Catelyn Red Wedding chapter. a lot of clues... but RIGHT before it was going to happen. not repeating the clues over and over again or a hundred pages of buildup which I think would have dulled it much more.

 

IMO if there was anyone to tear up for, it was Arya... and everything that has encircled her.

And she didn't even have the blissfully ignorant dreams of a perfect life like older Sansa... their defining contrast.

 

 

 

 

huh? in what way?

 

Yeah... I knew SOMETHING was going to happen at the Twins... but I was still blissfully ignorant to Martin's ways. I really thought that Robb's army would defeat them or just get captured and held prisoner... I really didn't think he was going to die.

 

Yes, maybe Arya is the one we should all feel sorry for, but for some reason she seems tough, so... Like BigBlue, the direwolf is what did me in.

 

 

 

I just think now that Martin has been sharing ideas with Benioff and Weiss that there's no way some of their thoughts don't rub off on him. Once you share something with someone, their influence is bound to happen, IMO.

[rallo 138]

 

 

Yeah... I knew SOMETHING was going to happen at the Twins... but I was still blissfully ignorant to Martin's ways. I really thought that Robb's army would defeat them or just get captured and held prisoner... I really didn't think he was going to die.

 

Yes, maybe Arya is the one we should all feel sorry for, but for some reason she seems tough, so... Like BigBlue, the direwolf is what did me in.

 

 

 

I just think now that Martin has been sharing ideas with Benioff and Weiss that there's no way some of their thoughts don't rub off on him. Once you share something with someone, their influence is bound to happen, IMO.

 

If i've learned anything from reading martin books, it's that EVERY prophecy made comes true. And almost ANY symbolism shown is for a reason.

 

Granted i'm only through book 4 so i'm slightly behind most here, but the prophecy i'm most interested in is Cersei's from the Magi...

 

 

The Magi foretold Cersei being killed by the valonqar(sp?) or 'little brother' Cersei believes this to be Tyrion... but if my memory serves me correctly Jaime is infact the younger twin of Cersei... Therefore, in tragedy, i believe the lannister story ends with Jaime murdering Cersei... then himself... why stop at 'kingslayer' when he can be queenslayer and kill the head of the kingsguard(himself) as well... they'll finally be together in death

 

[Quickolas1 80]

I just think now that Martin has been sharing ideas with Benioff and Weiss that there's no way some of their thoughts don't rub off on him. Once you share something with someone, their influence is bound to happen, IMO.

 

Martin said on Conan that in some ways they've been more cruel that he was. He said they've killed 4 characters that he didn't.

 

He didn't name them... but I can think of Robb's wife who is a totally diff character/storyline, Dany's two handmaidens... I don't know who the 4th would be... one of the Dany's three Dothraki chieftains?

 

Although we didn't get all of Catelyn's actions

crazed self-inflicted wounding

right before she bit it in the show.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

I thought the Red Wedding thing was way too telegraphed. It was supposed to be a shocker but you could see it coming a mile away. I gotta have a laugh at all the idiots acting shocked on Youtube. Really? Seriously??

 

Frankly I thought the episode was dissapointing, and that's coming from someone who HASN'T read the books.

 

Apologies for jumping in this late, I just decided on a whim to read the last page of this thread.

 

From someone who read (is reading, I'm finishing up Feast for Crows) the series, the Red Wedding came as a complete shock, to me anyway. I remember the feeling when the Queen grabs the guys sleeve and feels mail underneath, and everything faling apart. I was so pissed, sad, betrayed by the author for crushing the future Westeros that I had already planned in my head that I was sure would come to pass. I can't remember the last time a book gave me suck a real emotional reaction. Maybe when I read Stephen King in my younger years.

 

Without seeing the show, I will guess that the director allowed the actors to 'show' the underlying plan. With visual cues, just one sly glance can give the entire plot away. They should have made secrecy the #1 priority while filming that sequence, and I guess they didn't.

[OldMaid 2,135]

If i've learned anything from reading martin books, it's that EVERY prophecy made comes true. And almost ANY symbolism shown is for a reason.

 

Granted i'm only through book 4 so i'm slightly behind most here, but the prophecy i'm most interested in is Cersei's from the Magi...

 

 

The Magi foretold Cersei being killed by the valonqar(sp?) or 'little brother' Cersei believes this to be Tyrion... but if my memory serves me correctly Jaime is infact the younger twin of Cersei... Therefore, in tragedy, i believe the lannister story ends with Jaime murdering Cersei... then himself... why stop at 'kingslayer' when he can be queenslayer and kill the head of the kingsguard(himself) as well... they'll finally be together in death

 

 

Interesting... I don't see Jamie offing himself, though.

 

[posty 2,820]

 

Martin said on Conan that in some ways they've been more cruel that he was. He said they've killed 4 characters that he didn't.

 

He didn't name them... but I can think of Robb's wife who is a totally diff character/storyline, Dany's two handmaidens... I don't know who the 4th would be... one of the Dany's three Dothraki chieftains?

 

Although we didn't get all of Catelyn's actions

crazed self-inflicted wounding

right before she bit it in the show.

 

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Characters_significantly_changed_between_books_and_TV_series

[rallo 138]

 

Interesting... I don't see Jamie offing himself, though.

 

True... my friend has a theory that Jaime and Cersei are truly Targs... along with Jon Snow... he thinks that Jaime will kill off Cersei when Dany comes to town... thus the 'three headed dragon' will be Dany, Jaime, and Jon Snow... he says there is evidence in what Selmy says to dany in the 5th book. There was one thing in a FFC where Jaime's aunt says something 'i told tywin that you are not his son... tyrion is... he wouldn't talked to me for months after that' At the time i took it to mean there mental accuity and such... now i'm not so sure... oh well... now we wait

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Here's the thing - I knew it was coming too - look back to my earlier posts - I'm still convinced Joffrey dies soon (maybe this week?).

The leeches Melisandre burned were for Joffrey, Robb Stark, and Baylon Greyjoy. One down, two to go?