Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[OldMaid 2,130]

 

Varys is a great character, and the actor is doing a fantastic job. My only problem with this week was Ros explaining the importance of the two feather beds to him. Varys would have seen immediately what that meant. He's the one who explains sh!t like that to other people, not vice versa.

 

Maybe he was just testing her...

 

The guy playing Tywin is another one not getting a ton of recognition but just nailing the role. The role doesn't require a ton of range, but be's exactly how I envisioned Tywin. The scene with Cersei was excellent.

 

"If I would start a war for that lecherous little stump..."

Agreed.

 

 

I saw the actor that play Varys on another show and almost didn't recognize him. He looks different with hair.

[Big Blue 06 195]

The acting all the way through this show is simply outstanding.

 

Tywin

Tyrion

Varys

Kingslayer

Littlefinger

Cersei

Arya

The Hound

Braun

 

Even the actors playing Robb Stark, Jon Snow, and others that I haven't named are decent and perfectly cast. Having read the books, this is exactly how I would have cast it.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I don't trust Margaerys. Yeah she seems like she's trying to do the right thing, making Joffrey into a populist, saving Sansa from her circumstances...but she's very ambitious. She's got plans, and I don't know if they are going to be good.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

The only role I find myself thinking may have been miscast is Robb Stark. I didn't read the books, but I gather he is supposed to be some great, inspiring leader of men. I'm just not seeing it. I know a lot of people liked his dad and all, but I often find myself wondering why they would continue to follow him.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Good focking Lord, 27 pages? Can't wait to se "The Hobbit" thread.

[nobody 2,684]

We could always delete some posts to make the page count more acceptable

[wiffleball 4,790]

We could always delete some posts to make the page count more acceptable

 

Please, don't go to any trouble on my account.

 

Just those posts about Game of Thrones is fine with me.

 

I don't want to be a bother...

[CantTouchThis 23]

What a fantastic episode. From what I have heard, this is just the start to the craziness.

 

Okay, the dude who "saved" Theon then lead him back to be tortured....is that Ramsay Snow? That was one of the more focked up psychological torture methods I've seen.

[edjr 6,599]

Greatest line in any show, movie or song I have ever heard.

He would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes

 

Brilliant!

 

Best spisode I have seen since season 1, may be the best of all to this point. God I focking love this show. Now we have dragons

[edjr 6,599]

Good focking Lord, 27 pages? Can't wait to se "The Hobbit" thread.

 

I'm sure if FFT and HBO werr around in the late 30's early 40's and there was a show made of it, there would have been a thread just like it.

 

Seeing the hobbit is almost 70+ years old, shut the fock up about it.

[Big Blue 06 195]

The only role I find myself thinking may have been miscast is Robb Stark. I didn't read the books, but I gather he is supposed to be some great, inspiring leader of men. I'm just not seeing it. I know a lot of people liked his dad and all, but I often find myself wondering why they would continue to follow him.

 

I think they actually cast him perfectly. The way I read it, he wasn't supposed to be this inspiring, ambitious man. He was just someone that was trying to free his father and found himself leading an army. Once his dad was dead, it was about equal parts revenge and wanting to be free.

[The Moz 69]

Greatest line in any show, movie or song I have ever heard.

 

Brilliant!

 

Best spisode I have seen since season 1, may be the best of all to this point. God I focking love this show. Now we have dragons

 

This was the best book so it would make sense for it to make the best episodes. Book 4 to me was a decent read as I was into the story by then but is not a book really made for this series which is why they almost have to combine 4 and 5 and do another 2 season 4/5 books.

 

I just wish they did this show like they do the show on USA where you get 10 episodes then 5 months later another 10 ... and so on. Having to wait a whole year at least do that with the part 1 and part 2's

[parrot 789]

I think they actually cast him perfectly. The way I read it, he wasn't supposed to be this inspiring, ambitious man. He was just someone that was trying to free his father and found himself leading an army. Once his dad was dead, it was about equal parts revenge and wanting to be free.

 

 

Agreed. I don't think Robb was ever meant to be portrayed as some natural-born great leader of men. I mean, I think he had a fair amount of that, but that's not really the character. He is where he is because circumstances have put him there. His bannermen wanted a King in the North, and he's the guy with the claim.

 

I don't know that Ned was ever that great natural-born leader either. People liked Ned, and respected Ned, but they followed Robert.

[The Moz 69]

 

People liked Ned, and respected Ned, but they followed Robert.

Do you mean Stark or Baratheon?

[parrot 789]

 

Jon is also a warg, so he could have gone into his direwolf. I don't think Martin would kill him off completely. Mainly because of the spoiler we already discussed. But hey... Lyanna is dead. Ned is dead. and Rheagor is dead... There's only one person left who knows the whole truth of that story, and I'm not sure if it will come back around to him. But I still think Jon is too important to be dead.

 

 

 

I was thinking about this recently. When Jojen starts explaining to Bran about the seeing, he tells him that it can allow him to see things that "happened long before you were born." So even if old Howland never pops up, I think at some point Bran might be able to tell us just what happened at the Tower of Joy.

 

I don't think Jon is dead either. He warged out just like Varamyr.

 

[parrot 789]

Do you mean Stark or Baratheon?

 

Baratheon. And even Brandon Stark seems like he was more of the charismatic inspitational type than Ned. He was the 'wild wolf', Ned was the 'quiet wolf'.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Baratheon. And even Brandon Stark seems like he was more of the charismatic inspitational type than Ned. He was the 'wild wolf', Ned was the 'quiet wolf'.

seems inevitable that Bran is being set up as the Stark leader.

1. Wild at heart, likeable free spirit

2. Deals with great adversity

3. Tastes the "rulership" position as a child (and does well)

4. Magic - Supernatural - Warg

 

in the end, 4 is what makes the "leader" of each area in Westeros whether it's WhiteWalkers and Giants north, Fire Witch with Stannis, Dany and Dragons, etc.

Still haven't figured out the supernatural ability of Lannisters - not sure how they'll hold on for long without their own "Nuke".

[parrot 789]

seems inevitable that Bran is being set up as the Stark leader.

1. Wild at heart, likeable free spirit

2. Deals with great adversity

3. Tastes the "rulership" position as a child (and does well)

4. Magic - Supernatural - Warg

 

in the end, 4 is what makes the "leader" of each area in Westeros whether it's WhiteWalkers and Giants north, Fire Witch with Stannis, Dany and Dragons, etc.

Still haven't figured out the supernatural ability of Lannisters - not sure how they'll hold on for long without their own "Nuke".

 

 

Just to make sure we're clear, my statement about Brandon Stark was about Ned's older brother, who Bran is named for. He was more of a fiery type like Robert.

 

The Lannisters don't really have a supernatural angle, but they do have more money than anyone else, and that still goes a long way.

[TD Ryan2 316]

The Lannisters don't really have a supernatural angle, but they do have more money than anyone else, and that still goes a long way.

agreed.

Though Tywin is pretty evil - maybe that's the point - the "worst" of them is just the plain, old human beings?

 

And if my suspicion is right about Tyrion and Podrick (i.e. Tyrion set up the whole "Podrick is the greatest with the ladies", it's proof that money isn't everything and even Tyrion realizes this.

[Big Blue 06 195]

agreed.

Though Tywin is pretty evil - maybe that's the point - the "worst" of them is just the plain, old human beings?

 

And if my suspicion is right about Tyrion and Podrick (i.e. Tyrion set up the whole "Podrick is the greatest with the ladies", it's proof that money isn't everything and even Tyrion realizes this.

 

Speaking of Podrick, my fantasy football team name next season is "Sir Podrick, the dongslinger"

[The Moz 69]

Speaking of Podrick, my fantasy football team name next season is "Sir Podrick, the dongslinger WhoreSlayer"

[Quickolas1 80]

This might get a little (lot?) confusing for some people with them rehashing in the last episode that the Mountain (the Hound's brother) killed two Targaryan babies.

99.9% of the following has been alluded to in the show and is "basic knowledge" at this point in the story.

But I'm sure tough to pick up from episode 1 where Robert was in the Stark tomb talking about Lyanna until now.

So if this helps:

 

Mad King Aerys Targaryan was King in a line of Targaryans. He was a good king for awhile (mentioned by Ser Barriston Selmy and one reason why he is now serving Daenerys).

The Mad King started to go mad after being locked up after a squirmish under his rule. He got out and started knockin heads.

The Mad King's 3 kids were: Prince Rhaegar, Prince Viserys and Princess Daenerys.

Prince Rhaegar married Elia Martell (more on Martell later) and had the babies: daughter Rhaenys and son Aegon (Daenerys would have been their aunt).

Prince Rhaegar was one of the only Targaryans to ever not marry/freak another Targaryan.

 

Prince Rhaegar was a bit naughty and locked up Lyanna Stark (Ned's sis) whom Robert Baratheon loved (she died in captivity).

Robert's rebellion was to overthrow the Mad King but more to avenge Lyanna. Robert killed Prince Rhaegar on the battlefield.

Ned Stark led the forces towards King's Landing to get the Mad King. In the meantime, Tywin Lannister was already approaching King's Landing.

Tywin said he was coming to the Mad King's aid... but that was false... he was aligned with Robert Baratheon.

Once he realized this, he Mad King ordered Jamie - who was in the Kingsguard (not hand of the king) - to protect him and kill his father.

Jamie stabbed the Mad King in the back. Ned could have taken the throne but not his thang.

 

Upon reaching the Iron Throne and killing a bunch of other Targaryans, Gregor Clegane (the Mountain) and Ser Amory Lorch (both serve Lannister) dashed the heads of the two babies (Prince Rhaegar's). Viserys and Daenerys escaped to across the sea.

(Amory Lorch I believe was involved in assaulting the night's watch going north, capturing Arya and taking her to Harrenhal).

The Hound hates his bro the Mountain because he burned him in his youth for fun.

Robert and Cersie later aligned the two houses once Robert became King. And we got Joffrey (but lots of whose your real daddy issues).

 

Someone(?) killed Jon Arryn - Robert's hand - to start this whole new mess...Game of Thrones.

Meanwhile none of them are currently aware of what's happening north of the Wall nor do they care as they play their game.

 

The major families:

Targaryans - originally from Dragonstone (East Island) where Stannis Baratheon took over after Robert won.

Starks - Winterfell (North)

Lannisters - Casterly Rock (West)

Martells - Dorne (waaaay South, desert-like area, don't know much about them...yet? Tyrion sent Joff's younger sister there for possible marriage/align houses)

Tyrells - Highgarden (just mentioned in episode 3.04 and it's South of King's Landing, north of Dorne): Margaery and Loras.

Baratheons - Storm's End (also South of King's Landing). Renly.

 

The Vale/Lisa Arryn (Littlefinger going there?), Freys, and Tully (Catelyn/uncle Blackfish/now dead daddy) are all sworn to House Stark.

The Greyjoys from the Iron Islands (west of Winterfell) have been the Stark's bitches for awhile. Hence Theon's issues.

 

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I am 99.9% sure the Podrick stuff in the show is just to be amusing.

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And for you (all 5 book-reading) recent spoiler-using folk ONLY:

 

 

no way Jon Snow is "dead." don't think he's a warg either. might the red priestess come into play? he's definitely the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar - that was so 3 years ago! it will be interesting to see what happens with Daenerys and her nephew. methinks the nephew won't make it through to the end. which would keep the the Jon Snow - Daenerys theory intact. The one thing I feel I don't have a good grasp on is what happened at Citadel with the murder and key and that character showing back up at the end of the book to talk to Sam. I need to re-read those chapters.

 

[parrot 789]

 

Upon reaching the Iron Throne and killing a bunch of other Targaryans, Sandor Clegane (the Mountain) and Ser Amory Lorch (both serve Lannister) dashed the heads of the two babies (Prince Rhaegar's). Viserys and Daenerys escaped.

 

 

 

Good recap Quickolas.

 

I know you just mistyped but just so there is no confusion with anyone reading; Gregor Clegane is The Mountain, Sandor Clegane is The Hound.

 

I notice you don't say anything about the events at The Tower of Joy. Maybe that's just as well because I don't know if the show has even mentioned it.

[Quickolas1 80]

fixed the Clegane error. yeah lots of other things are part of the background but I thought it'd be nice to lay that out as its not spoiler of what's to come but essential for some of what's to come - soon. and they can't take 20 minutes to have a character sit there and explain all that in detail at this point. they did a nice job of Dondarrian/Brotherhood explaining themselves.

 

poor non-readers. it's so much better watching when you have the main background story (above) and other book details!

[TD Ryan2 316]

Good recap Quickolas.

thanks.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

thanks.

 

+1. I have been able to follow along pretty well but that was helpful, especially in explaining the events that happened before where the series picked up.

[The Moz 69]

To me it just makes sense for Dani and Snow to rule Westeros in the end. With Snow found not to be a bastard and the Fact the Targaryans are known for a bit of Incest - also makes sense as with Dani being a basically "pure blood" Targaryan as she is bound to flip out sooner or later.

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

GoT with a new opening?

 

http://youtu.be/9RnDmt7GCPE

[The Moz 69]

The only thing that annoys me again about the show (albeit minor) is if you are going to have a show strictly based on a Book series - Call it the focking name of the book.

[OldMaid 2,130]

The only thing that annoys me again about the show (albeit minor) is if you are going to have a show strictly based on a Book series - Call it the focking name of the book.

We've covered this already. A Song of Ice and Fire sounds slightly ghey. Also, it doesn't convey on the surface what the show is really about. A Game of Thrones is much better.

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

Tywin Lanister is like Frank Costanza on Festivus; you're an abomination that killed your mother...you're not half as smart as you think you are...you're a drunk....you're arrogant.... he just needs people to start performing feats of strength.

[Big Blue 06 195]

GoT with a new opening?

 

http://youtu.be/9RnDmt7GCPE

 

[The Moz 69]

We've covered this already. A Song of Ice and Fire sounds slightly ghey. Also, it doesn't convey on the surface what the show is really about. A Game of Thrones is much better.

 

 

Could of shortened it to Ice and Fire -- an just named the seasons after the books. Again not a big deal

 

Ice and Fire might indeed be the more relevant term if you think about it -- and who knows what books 6 and 7 bring.

[Big Blue 06 195]

Why we love Tyrion:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYQKIxnBl4

[OldMaid 2,130]

Could of shortened it to Ice and Fire -- an just named the seasons after the books. Again not a big deal

 

Ice and Fire might indeed be the more relevant term if you think about it -- and who knows what books 6 and 7 bring.

Yes, it might be more relevant as a whole, but likely wouldn't really make sense to the non-book viewers until the end. I think naming it the way they did was a good idea. It likely drew in more people than had they went with ASOIAF. It sounds less sci-fi and therefore you get a broader audience base.

Renaming each season would be stupid and confusing. Nothing like setting your DVR to record something and then they change the name and you miss it.

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

Just saw this...my alma mater bringing it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVqnFRN9Z4k

 

[The Moz 69]

It sounds less sci-fi and therefore you get a broader audience base.

 

 

 

when did medieval Fantasy become Sci-Fi?

[OldMaid 2,130]

when did medieval Fantasy become Sci-Fi?

Fine. Less fantasy... Still the same point.

[The Moz 69]

Fine. Less fantasy... Still the same point.

 

So you would be confused between... as a TV watcher if it said Ice and Fire: Game of Thrones, Ice and Fire: Clash of Kings, and Ice and Fire: Storm of Swords Part. 1 -- you wouldn't be able to tell the difference?

 

Maybe Sux was actually slumm'n it when when he proposed to you -- and you will end up always regretting your shunning of po Sux -- while Sux dodges a bullet...

[OldMaid 2,130]

So you would be confused between... as a TV watcher if it said Ice and Fire: Game of Thrones, Ice and Fire: Clash of Kings, and Ice and Fire: Storm of Swords Part. 1 -- you wouldn't be able to tell the difference?

 

Maybe Sux was actually slumm'n it when when he proposed to you -- and you will end up always regretting your shunning of po Sux -- while Sux dodges a bullet...

It's confusing for a DVR, yes. Most of time it doesn't catch the name change. HTH

 

 

 

Edit: It would likely be somewhat confusing for some viewers as well. Is it a spinoff or the same show kinda thing.