Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[parrot 790]

Been rewatching S3 on HBO GO - wow. It's such a great show - dialogue, writing/layers, acting, cinematography, music... I just hope someone we like can eventually get ahead.

 

It can't hurt to hope.

 

Who do we like at this point?

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It can't hurt to hope.

 

Who do we like at this point?

Dany

Tyrion

Arya

Gendry

Davos

Jon and Ygritte

 

maybe Jaimie, Varys, Theon

[OldMaid 2,135]

Is it April yet?

[kutulu 1,709]

Is it April yet?

 

Spring is Coming.

[CantTouchThis 23]

Dany

Tyrion

Arya

Gendry

Davos

Jon and Ygritte

 

maybe Jaimie, Varys, Theon

 

THEON?!? That doosher?

 

They expanded his storyline A LOT in the show. Him admitting he focked up, getting tortured then getting his wiener whacked does redeem him to an extent. His POV chapters in book 2 SUCKED and there was none in book 3, he is just such a twat. He had so much potential and he just focked everything up, but I think you have to have characters like him in every book/show.

 

I love Jaimie, his character arch is bananas, and it continues in Kings Landing and season 4. He's actually a good guy, he has just always had to play the role of the villain his whole life.

 

I've always like Sandor Clegane(The Hound), and the Arya/Hound team is awesome.

 

Even though Sansa is just a dumb broad, you have to feel bad for her because she has absolutely no control over what happens to her. At least Arya kinda has control and can fight and figure her way out of situations, whereas Sansa just kind drifts with the wind, it's not really her fault it's just she is in a really bad situation. Plus her storyline gets much more interesting this season.

 

Between the Red Wedding and the end of Storm of Swords, there are countless shocking and awesome events, the Red Wedding was just the start. So, this season should be pretty good.

[edjr 6,902]

Game of Throne- Viewers per Episode.

Season 
1
2
.22
2.20
2.44
2.45
2.58
2.44
2.40
2.72
2.66
3.04

Season 
2

3.86
3.76
3.77
3.65
3.90
3.88
3.69
3.86
3.38
4.20

Season 
3

4.37
4.27
4.72
4.87
5.35
5.50
4.84
5.13
5.22
5.39

According to HBO, the second season of Game of Thrones had an average gross audience (including all repeats and on-demand viewings) of 11.6 million viewers. The third season saw that number rise to 14.2 million, making the season the second-most viewed of any HBO series, after the fifth season of The Sopranos, which obtained 14.4 million viewers in 2004.[135] Contrary to assumptions by journalists that Game of Thrones has a predominantly male audience, Nielsen Media Research data indicated in 2013 that the series's viewership is less divided by gender than that of many other comparable programs, with women making up about 42% of viewers.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

If I were an HBO exec, I would totally wank it to those numbers.

 

That said I'd imagine the costs of producing the show are also staggering.

[edjr 6,902]

If I were an HBO exec, I would totally wank it to those numbers.

 

That said I'd imagine the costs of producing the show are also staggering.

 

1st season the budget was very minimal. I'm sure it is immense now.

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Game of Throne- Viewers per Episode.

Nielsen Media Research data indicated in 2013 that the series's viewership is less divided by gender than that of many other comparable programs, with women making up about 42% of viewers.

 

Though there are certainly exceptions, I can't talk to women who are into the show. Their breadth of the show is so shallow they can't really grasp what is really going on. Those are the ones who threatened to stop watching the show after The Red Wedding. That was the BEST god-damn scene maybe in TV history. Blah, please go back and watch the Kardashians and that one pregnant teenage whores show.....

[OldMaid 2,135]

Though there are certainly exceptions, I can't talk to women who are into the show. Their breadth of the show is so shallow they can't really grasp what is really going on. Those are the ones who threatened to stop watching the show after The Red Wedding. That was the BEST god-damn scene maybe in TV history. Blah, please go back and watch the Kardashians the one pregnant teenage whores show.....

Umm... excuse me... I am NOT like that.

[OldMaid 2,135]

THEON?!? That doosher?

 

They expanded his storyline A LOT in the show. Him admitting he focked up, getting tortured then getting his wiener whacked does redeem him to an extent. His POV chapters in book 2 SUCKED and there was none in book 3, he is just such a twat. He had so much potential and he just focked everything up, but I think you have to have characters like him in every book/show.

 

I love Jaimie, his character arch is bananas, and it continues in Kings Landing and season 4. He's actually a good guy, he has just always had to play the role of the villain his whole life.

 

I've always like Sandor Clegane(The Hound), and the Arya/Hound team is awesome.

 

Even though Sansa is just a dumb broad, you have to feel bad for her because she has absolutely no control over what happens to her. At least Arya kinda has control and can fight and figure her way out of situations, whereas Sansa just kind drifts with the wind, it's not really her fault it's just she is in a really bad situation. Plus her storyline gets much more interesting this season.

 

Between the Red Wedding and the end of Storm of Swords, there are countless shocking and awesome events, the Red Wedding was just the start. So, this season should be pretty good.

 

Theon's redemption is coming... we just haven't seen it yet. It's been building since the last book, so I expect by the time it's all over and done with, he has a chance at being a hero.

 

It's one of the great things about Martin's writing: the good guys aren't always good and the bad guys aren't always bad. Hell, he's even managed to make me a little sympathetic to Cersei's plight.

[edjr 6,902]

I'd like to see Theon swordfight Jami

[drobeski 3,061]

Umm... excuse me... I am NOT like that.

you're worse

[parrot 790]

1st season the budget was very minimal. I'm sure it is immense now.

From what I've read the Season 1 budget was around $60 million, or $6 million an episode. I'm not sure how that compares to other shows, but I wouldn't think it was minimal.

[edjr 6,902]

From what I've read the Season 1 budget was around $60 million, or $6 million an episode. I'm not sure how that compares to other shows, but I wouldn't think it was minimal.

 

They came out and said the budget was small, in comparison to what they wanted it to be and what they needed it to be to make it look like they wanted.

 

You can rest assured, they got the budget the needed for season 2 and 3.

 

eta:

 

I imagine finding 3 living, breathing dragons that fly can't be cheap?

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Theon's redemption is coming... we just haven't seen it yet. It's been building since the last book, so I expect by the time it's all over and done with, he has a chance at being a hero.

 

It's one of the great things about Martin's writing: the good guys aren't always good and the bad guys aren't always bad. Hell, he's even managed to make me a little sympathetic to Cersei's plight.

 

Cool. I figured there HAS to be a point to Theon Greyjoy other than what we have seen(or I have seen up to a quarter way into book 4). With his writing, he wouldn't have Theon have POV chapters, have that big of a role in everything, just to get tortured for a while and live and nothing else happen.

 

Asha is a really cool character, but the whole Greyjoy storyline is much, much different in the show. I am kind of curious with what they are going to do with that in season 4. The Theon/Greyjoy/Ironborn storyline was by far my least favorite storyline in both the books and the show until I read Asha's POV chapter, now I am much more interested in what is going on over there.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5iS3tULXMQ

 

Drogon is HUUUGGGEEE, the CGI crew does an amazing job in this show.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5iS3tULXMQ

 

Drogon is HUUUGGGEEE, the CGI crew does an amazing job in this show.

 

"Joffrey? Joffrey's a little pr!ck."

[edjr 6,902]

 

"Joffrey? Joffrey's a little pr!ck."

 

I watched this as well last night. some good quotes for sure.

 

Arya's getting awful chunky.

[edjr 6,902]

 

Though there are certainly exceptions, I can't talk to women who are into the show. Their breadth of the show is so shallow they can't really grasp what is really going on. Those are the ones who threatened to stop watching the show after The Red Wedding. That was the BEST god-damn scene maybe in TV history. Blah, please go back and watch the Kardashians and that one pregnant teenage whores show.....

 

I watch with my chick, she does watch and likes the show. but she just doesn't pay attention like I do. For me, it's a 10 out of 10, my favorite show ever. I've seen every episode 3 times minimum.

[parrot 790]

 

I watched this as well last night. some good quotes for sure.

 

Arya's getting awful chunky.

 

"That scene where he said 'Hodor", that was definitely pretty bad-ass."

 

Arya and Bran are both aging pretty fast,

[edjr 6,902]

An interesting question was asked last night of the cast.

 

Who is your favorite character?

 

Some interesting answers.

 

Who is your favorite?

 

Before last season, I was Tyrion all the way. My favorite could be Jamie now.

 

Best job of acting has to go to Joffrey. That little focker does a great job at being easy to hate.

[parrot 790]

An interesting question was asked last night of the cast.

 

Who is your favorite character?

 

Some interesting answers.

 

Who is your favorite?

 

Before last season, I was Tyrion all the way. My favorite could be Jamie now.

 

Best job of acting has to go to Joffrey. That little focker does a great job at being easy to hate.

 

 

I don't know, that kid does a good job with Joffrey, but it's not like it's a real layered part or anything. I have to give the acting award to Charles Dance as Tywin. He has to be a complete pr!ck about 95% of the time too, but do it in such a way that you kind of accept that, at least in his mind, there are perfectly valid reasons for what he does. That's a lot better trick than just playing Joffrey the psycopath IMO.

 

Tyrion is still my favorite. Bronn is awesome too. That guy steals every scene.

[edjr 6,902]

 

I don't know, that kid does a good job with Joffrey, but it's not like it's a real layered part or anything. I have to give the acting award to Charles Dance as Tywin. He has to be a complete pr!ck about 95% of the time too, but do it in such a way that you kind of accept that, at least in his mind, there are perfectly valid reasons for what he does. That's a lot better trick than just playing Joffrey the psycopath IMO.

 

Tyrion is still my favorite. Bronn is awesome too. That guy steals every scene.

 

you're saying RP would make a good Tywin?

 

We definitely need more Bronn.

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so - I'm about 2/3 thru book 3 - I could not wait for Season 4 to air and I needed some answers.

Just some thoughts based on watching/reading:

 

1. I am on the edge of my seat with every character's scene, I know full-well that they can/will die at any time. Tyrion entering a back alley shop/tavern? Edge of my seat - I'm convinced they'll kill him as he goes thru the door. Fantastic really - no other book/show has had the level of "reality" with life&death.

 

2. I've read book 3 far enough to tie up some of the loose ends from Season 3. Sure there are still plenty of unknowns, but new characters and story lines are all emerging - I may wait to watch the Season 4 instead of reading more (not sure).

 

3. The Music -is so underrated and under-appreciated. IMO, mostt movie music is.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I don't know, that kid does a good job with Joffrey, but it's not like it's a real layered part or anything. I have to give the acting award to Charles Dance as Tywin. He has to be a complete pr!ck about 95% of the time too, but do it in such a way that you kind of accept that, at least in his mind, there are perfectly valid reasons for what he does. That's a lot better trick than just playing Joffrey the psycopath IMO.

 

Tyrion is still my favorite. Bronn is awesome too. That guy steals every scene.

Tyrion or Tywin for sure. I also think Littlefinger and The Eunuch are very well-acted but those are more bit roles.

 

I'm hoping we see more from The King Beyond the Wall as Ciaran Hinds is an excellent actor."

[parrot 790]

Tyrion or Tywin for sure. I also think Littlefinger and The Eunuch are very well-acted but those are more bit roles.

 

I'm hoping we see more from The King Beyond the Wall as Ciaran Hinds is an excellent actor."

 

Littlefinger is a little too Snidely Whiplash for me.

[edjr 6,902]

 

Littlefinger is a little too Snidely Whiplash for me.

 

 

I liked him at 1st, but the same shtick over and over annoyed me.

 

George Martin loves when evil triumphs and good loses.

 

Going to be an interesting season.

[parrot 790]

 

 

I liked him at 1st, but the same shtick over and over annoyed me.

 

George Martin loves when evil triumphs and good loses.

 

Going to be an interesting season.

 

Yes it is. Lots of awesome still to come.

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2. I've read book 3 far enough to tie up some of the loose ends from Season 3. Sure there are still plenty of unknowns, but new characters and story lines are all emerging - I may wait to watch the Season 4 instead of reading more (not sure).

 

I started reading the books around New Years, and the original plan was to get to the point in the books where they are in the show, then watch the season, then continue. I ended up getting to that point in around 3 weeks, and I couldn't stop reading. I am about 70% through book 4 right now, and I have slowed down a lot since I read book 3. Just keep reading, honestly. The last 1/3 of book 3 is so unreal and amazing and crazy. It's easily the best book I've ever read. You'll know much of what happens in the next season, but I think it will be just as interesting to watch it unfold.

 

As I was told by others, book 4 is a step down. There are a lot of story-lines added and a lot missing. Apparently books 4 and 5 are the same time-line through different perspectives. So far it's been a lot of set-up to what will probably happen in Winds of Winter, the 6th book that should be released sometime next year. It's still a very good read, there is just not a whole lot of crazy events as in the first 3 books. Just a lot of storylines and a lot of set up.

 

I can already see in the previews that this season will at least go pretty deep into book 4 and I assume book 5. We may only have this season and next season to finish off the first 5 books. This season is going to be awesome, but it will be interesting to see how they do next season and maybe the season after that if they can even do another season.

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Yes it is. Lots of awesome still to come.

 

Yeah, they really aren't just boosting when they say this season will have the most action. And it's very encouraging to hear them say there will be no build up, so it looks like they are going to not delay on the big events that should happen in the first half of the season. It should start off fast and not stop, I think almost every episode will have something significant happen.

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

I actually remember that exact passage. Jamie is talking to his Aunt Gemma:

"Jaime, sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak...but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year."

 

I still think that's too much of a stretch... There can't be suddenly a bunch of Targaryen's running around- that would be horrific on Martin's part.

 

 

 

I just read this part and I interpreted as her saying that Jaime was more like his uncle and cousins than Tywin. Whereas Tywin was more brain than brawn, and choose to use his cunning and tactical prowess to win battles, Jaime choose to just run into the thick of it and shred his opponents to pieces with his sword. You saw Robb take advantage of his pride and lack of patience at Whispering Wood, and I think Robb even said something like he isn't like Tywin who chooses to sit and wait and piece together a plan before going to battle.

 

Tyrion, on the other hand, is much more like Tywin as we have seen throughout and especially when he was Hand. I can't see Joanna Lannister cheating on Tywin, and Cersei is also a lot like Tywin, just much less patient and even more arrogant.

 

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yep. because it's in your head and you've related with the characters more intimately.

 

in book 4 I got queasy, put the book down and walked away for a few minutes when... SPOILER...

 

Biter was eating Brienne's face. There's NO way that'll feel the same in a quick scene on screen.

 

 

Fock, just read this scene. I think I said "What?!?! Really?! The FOCK!" aloud. Something tells me her whole storyline get skewed somehow and maybe this scene doesn't even happen.

[OldMaid 2,135]

 

I just read this part and I interpreted as her saying that Jaime was more like his uncle and cousins than Tywin. Whereas Tywin was more brain than brawn, and choose to use his cunning and tactical prowess to win battles, Jaime choose to just run into the thick of it and shred his opponents to pieces with his sword. You saw Robb take advantage of his pride and lack of patience at Whispering Wood, and I think Robb even said something like he isn't like Tywin who chooses to sit and wait and piece together a plan before going to battle.

 

Tyrion, on the other hand, is much more like Tywin as we have seen throughout and especially when he was Hand. I can't see Joanna Lannister cheating on Tywin, and Cersei is also a lot like Tywin, just much less patient and even more arrogant.

 

Pretty much agreed.

 

Not with you on Cersei, though. She's way too emotional, whereas Tywin is much more calculating. Cersei WANTS to be like Tywin, but she can't control her emotions and that's what makes her such an ineffectual leader. It also makes for a viscous cycle within her. The more she wants it, the harder she tries; but the harder she tries, the worse her decisions become. She desperately wants to be good at the one thing she isn't ( I think I've said this before) and that is her downfall.

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38 pages of board, i didnt read it all. Dunno if this been talked about but did anyone see the episode of "the writers room" where they talked to the writers of the show. Good stuff.

 

Also... Who do you think is john snow's mother?

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Pretty much agreed.

 

Not with you on Cersei, though. She's way too emotional, whereas Tywin is much more calculating. Cersei WANTS to be like Tywin, but she can't control her emotions and that's what makes her such an ineffectual leader. It also makes for a viscous cycle within her. The more she wants it, the harder she tries; but the harder she tries, the worse her decisions become. She desperately wants to be good at the one thing she isn't ( I think I've said this before) and that is her downfall.

 

I agree with that, and that's why Tyrion dominated her when he was Hand. She has the intelligence and the cunning of Tywin, but like you said she let her emotions dictate her decisions, and the more emotional she is, the less patient she is. She is also too arrogant to see the errors in her own plans, which almost always end up back-firing on her because she refuses to see the flaws in her plans and change/take action to prevent those flaws.

 

 

I kind of, sort of, felt sorry for her when she was imprisoned. I kind of, sort of, wanted to see her beat Margeary. I think ultimately I want someone like Jaime or Arya(looking very unlikely, I think Cersei will be long gone by the time she leaves Braavos) to be her downfall, though it looks like Jaime has kind of done that when threw the parchment of hers in the hearth. I just finished book 4 so I'm not sure what becomes of that storyline in book 5, but from what I know I think that is the end of the storyline in King's Landing

 

[edjr 6,902]

No spoilers

 

I don't care if you use spoiler tags, you're still saying too much.

[OldMaid 2,135]

I agree with that, and that's why Tyrion dominated her when he was Hand. She has the intelligence and the cunning of Tywin, but like you said she let her emotions dictate her decisions, and the more emotional she is, the less patient she is. She is also too arrogant to see the errors in her own plans, which almost always end up back-firing on her because she refuses to see the flaws in her plans and change/take action to prevent those flaws.

 

 

I kind of, sort of, felt sorry for her when she was imprisoned. I kind of, sort of, wanted to see her beat Margeary. I think ultimately I want someone like Jaime or Arya(looking very unlikely, I think Cersei will be long gone by the time she leaves Braavos) to be her downfall, though it looks like Jaime has kind of done that when threw the parchment of hers in the hearth. I just finished book 4 so I'm not sure what becomes of that storyline in book 5, but from what I know I think that is the end of the storyline in King's Landing

 

 

Now we're on the same page with regards to Cercei. I think I posted similar thoughts about how I felt bad for her, and was given a bunch of sh!t for it. Nice to see someone understands what I was talking about.

 

If anyone gets to to finish her, I'm hoping for Jamie. Cersei ultimately wasn't the one responsible for Ned's death, so Arya doesn't make as much sense for me. Although I think she still blames her. With Joffery already dead, it's doesn't really look like she will get a satisfying ending for any of the names in her nightly "prayers". As a matter of fact, I'm not exactly sure what Martin has planned for her. But since I can't remember what was in book 4 and what was in 5, I won't say anything more because I don't want to spoil anything for you.

 

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Now we're on the same page with regards to Cercei. I think I posted similar thoughts about how I felt bad for her, and was given a bunch of sh!t for it. Nice to see someone understands what I was talking about.

 

If anyone gets to to finish her, I'm hoping for Jamie. Cersei ultimately wasn't the one responsible for Ned's death, so Arya doesn't make as much sense for me. Although I think she still blames her. With Joffery already dead, it's doesn't really look like she will get a satisfying ending for any of the names in her nightly "prayers". As a matter of fact, I'm not exactly sure what Martin has planned for her. But since I can't remember what was in book 4 and what was in 5, I won't say anything more because I don't want to spoil anything for you.

 

 

Gotcha. Book 4 focuses on King's Landing, the Iron Islands, Brienne/Sam/Arya/Sansa. I could imagine the frustration when people first read it and not seeing any chapters on Tyrion or Dany . That is what book readers should look forward to the next couple seasons as we will see this timeline as one. I think there is a compilation book where you can get both books in one and the chapters are, more or less, in order from when they happened from the end of book 3. That is why book 5 starts off so good, we finally see Tyrion and Dany.

 

BTW, NOT a spoiler because, again, the show will be combining those books. We won't see a season without Tyrion or Dany. The outrage would be unprecedented.

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It's pretty damn cool when only halfway through book 5, you turn a page and stumble upon chapters back to the POV of characters featured in book 4.