Game of Thrones (no spoilers)

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Can't say I was sad to see Joffrey go. Focker should've suffered more though. That certainly wasn't a pleasant death but it was quick

 

So Margaery and/or her old bat of a mother were clearly behind that death, right? Maybe Tywin though, just because he'd do something like that.

 

Everyone's focused on the wine goblet but Joffrey ate a piece of the pie too right before keeling over. He was the only we saw eat it. Ol' Margaery sure seemed glad as hell to see that pie too when it was brought out, and glad as hell to feed it to him too.

 

 

 

I fear for the half-man

[phillybear 366]

4.2 The Lion and The Rose

 

So, let’s push a few thoughts out before I go back and read your thoughts and then go hunting for some spoiler free Easter eggs.

 

Let’s talk about the Clue wedding murder mystery, and who killed Joffrey in the courtyard with pigeon sh!t cake and/or wine. Because, after all, the poison had to be ingested, right? Now, it would be awful risky to bake a huge cake and put the poison there since you can’t count on Joffrey to cut in a specific spot and you’d need a boat load of poison to treat the whole cake. So, the poison was in the wine. Since the poison was fast acting, as most lethal poisons are, only three people handled the cup that we saw just before Joffrey collapsed. Tyrion, Sansa, and Margaery. Tyrion was repeatedly publicly humiliated leading up to the final moments, where it was at the wedding gift reception and the book shredding, the midget UCB comedy sketch, and finally the cup bearer duties. And we know behind the scenes that his position was tenuous based on being discovered with a wh0re which was against his father’s demands. He’s the obvious suspect and the perfect patsy. Of course he is innocent. After all, the actions of Joffrey at the wedding reception were unexpected to him. He actually tried to leave at one point with Sansa, hardly the action of someone about to kill with premeditation. Now, Sansa was continually mocked by Joffrey over the death of various members of her family, especially her father. While melancholy with some subtle rage, she is not the sharpest knife in the sheath. Again, she tried to leave. And, she was whisked away by the court jester, as he told her, you must leave now if you want to live. She didn’t know what was going on. So, while humiliation might be some motivation for Tyrion and Sansa, who really had the most to gain by Joffrey’s death? Simple, Margaery, of course. After all, she is now Queen, so I assume she is the ruler of King’s Landing and the Seven Kingdoms. She and Olenna Tyrell got the dirt on Joffrey from Sansa, that he was a monster. In fact, Olenna foreshadowed everything when she came up to Sansa during the reception and expressed her condolences over the Stark’s deaths at the wedding at the Freys because it is such a terrible thing to die at a wedding. She clearly was tipping us off of her scheme to give the House of Tyrell the upper hand by the end of the day. She also told her to visit Highgarden to get away from King’s Landing for a while, anticipating Tyrion would be blamed, giving her an escape route. When Joffrey, at Margaery’s suggesting took a breather from berating his uncle to turn his attention to the giant meat pie, she was holding his wine cup. When Joffrey was cutting into the cake and birds were fluttering out, Margaery and Olenna both were right near Joffrey’s cup, with nobody looking at them, but at the birds. Like a magician doing an illusion, making the audience look one way, not the correct way. When Joffrey eats the pie, he says it’s dry and needs a drink. Oh, yeah. Olenna paid for the food. She said it twice during the episode. She had them make the pie dry to ensure Joffrey would drink deeply. Opportunity, motive, means, and a fall guy in Tyrion, the uncle of the dead King. The perfect crime. It this isn’t what went down, I’ll eat my hat.

 

Ramsey is nuttier than a dog’s turd after it ate a jar of extra crunchy Jif. Hunting humans is one thing. The shaving scene was tense, really tense, as he gave Theon/Reek every opportunity to cut his throat, yet he got a damn good shave instead. Of course, the broken muppet-like Theon spills the beans on everything on Bran and Jon Snow and puts all them in the cross hairs.

 

I’m kind of fascinated by the whole Stannis and witch sub plot going on. It’s weird how you have a witch talking about one heaven and one hell burning at the stake the religious leaders who talk of 7 gods and all this pagan stuff. Quite a flip of the script. It’s a matter of time before they kill that daughter, and then Stannis’ wife.

 

The Bran and his band of misfits is just weird stuff that I can’t figure how it fits into the jigsaw puzzle.

 

Former MMA champion and ender of the unbeaten Undertaker win streak, Brienne Lesnar is apparently in love with Jaime. For fock’s sake, I hope there is a clause in her contract that will not allow her to do any nude scenes.

 

Lots of smug exchanges between characters, just too many to recount. So, will it be off with his wee little head with a hatchet? Or is it the dungeon for Tyrion?

[edjr 6,608]

Brienne of Tarth, aka Angie Watson

[posty 2,713]

Brienne Lesnar is apparently in love with Jaime. For fock’s sake, I hope there is a clause in her contract that will not allow her to do any nude scenes.

We already saw her from the back last season...

[edjr 6,608]

I focking LOVE this kid. He has a sack the size of Australia

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH2QrvyZg7E

[edjr 6,608]

We already saw her from the back last season...

 

Hot Tub scene

[phillybear 366]

We already saw her from the back last season...

 

Must be a suppressed memory. One that I'm going to keep way down there. I'm going to suppress the crap out of it.

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

Must be a suppressed memory. One that I'm going to keep way down there. I'm going to suppress the crap out of it.

 

Wasn't bad from behind. Something tells me it's a different story from the front.

[edjr 6,608]

 

Wasn't bad from behind. Something tells me it's a different story from the front.

 

reminded me of the gym shower, cept I didn't have a boner

[posty 2,713]

Wasn't bad from behind. Something tells me it's a different story from the front.

It is...

 

NSFW!!

 

http://randomramblingsthoughtsandfiction.blogspot.com/2013/05/bunny-by-penny-borland.html

[edjr 6,608]

New desktop background!

[MedStudent 56]

It is...

 

NSFW!!

 

http://randomramblingsthoughtsandfiction.blogspot.com/2013/05/bunny-by-penny-borland.html

6'4" ? Wow! I knew she was tall but I figured they made her taller with camera angles. She makes my dik soft but she is still one of my favorite characters on the show.

[Mike Honcho 5,295]

Can't say I was sad to see Joffrey go. Focker should've suffered more though. That certainly wasn't a pleasant death but it was quick

 

So Margaery and/or her old bat of a mother were clearly behind that death, right? Maybe Tywin though, just because he'd do something like that.

 

Everyone's focused on the wine goblet but Joffrey ate a piece of the pie too right before keeling over. He was the only we saw eat it. Ol' Margaery sure seemed glad as hell to see that pie too when it was brought out, and glad as hell to feed it to him too.

 

 

 

I fear for the half-man

Too much family honor for him....so I don't think so.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Too much family honor for him....so I don't think so.

Yeah I don't think so either. I'm just trying to go through process of elimination and I can't quite strike ol' Tywin off altogether. Except he doesn't really have a play now since he's basically disowned his two sons and Cersei hasn't yet married the ghey fella

[posty 2,713]

Yeah I don't think so either. I'm just trying to go through process of elimination and I can't quite strike ol' Tywin off altogether. Except he doesn't really have a play now since he's basically disowned his two sons and Cersei hasn't yet married the ghey fella

It was Olenna and Dondos...

[CantTouchThis 23]

 

 

The Bran and his band of misfits is just weird stuff that I can’t figure how it fits into the jigsaw puzzle.

 

 

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are not going to like where that's heading. It's clearly a very highly important element in the grand scheme of things, but it's as deep into the fantasy genre as we go, and I've been told by a few people(and there are some people in this thread) that, outside of the dragons of course, they aren't a big fan of the fantasy elements.

 

Even though GRRM has managed to make a fantasy series more realistic than any other before him, it is still a fantasy series. It should be noted I dislike the fantasy genre and it's why I was very hesitant to give GOT a try. I actually think Bran's storyline is perhaps the most interesting one of them all, but in the books we are a bit more gradually introduced to it. In the show this season, it's probably going to be kind of thrown in our face. I trust the producers though.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are not going to like where that's heading. It's clearly a very highly important element in the grand scheme of things, but it's as deep into the fantasy genre as we go, and I've been told by a few people(and there are some people in this thread) that, outside of the dragons of course, they aren't a big fan of the fantasy elements.

 

Even though GRRM has managed to make a fantasy series more realistic than any other before him, it is still a fantasy series. It should be noted I dislike the fantasy genre and it's why I was very hesitant to give GOT a try. I actually think Bran's storyline is perhaps the most interesting one of them all, but in the books we are a bit more gradually introduced to it. In the show this season, it's probably going to be kind of thrown in our face. I trust the producers though.

Believe me, they know how to get ratings, and they know that suddenly going 100% full-on fantasy nerd isn't going to help.

[edjr 6,608]

Believe me, they know how to get ratings, and they know that suddenly going 100% full-on fantasy nerd isn't going to help.

 

[phillybear 366]

 

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are not going to like where that's heading. It's clearly a very highly important element in the grand scheme of things, but it's as deep into the fantasy genre as we go, and I've been told by a few people(and there are some people in this thread) that, outside of the dragons of course, they aren't a big fan of the fantasy elements.

 

Even though GRRM has managed to make a fantasy series more realistic than any other before him, it is still a fantasy series. It should be noted I dislike the fantasy genre and it's why I was very hesitant to give GOT a try. I actually think Bran's storyline is perhaps the most interesting one of them all, but in the books we are a bit more gradually introduced to it. In the show this season, it's probably going to be kind of thrown in our face. I trust the producers though.

 

It's one of those situations of "one of these things is not like the others", to me anyway. Feels herky jerky. But the show is so well done, it's not much of a complaint, if it's a complaint at all. I'm just sitting back and letting it all unfold.

[Quickolas1 80]

More subtle in the books whodunnit. Less obvious = more enjoyable experience.

 

Like in the show, when the Red Woman burned the leeches, announcing what would soon happen to Robb, Joffrey.

For the slower TV viewers...

[edjr 6,608]

More subtle in the books whodunnit. Less obvious = more enjoyable experience.

 

Like in the show, when the Red Woman burned the leeches, announcing what would soon happen to Robb, Joffrey.

For the slower TV viewers...

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

More subtle in the books whodunnit. Less obvious = more enjoyable experience.

 

Like in the show, when the Red Woman burned the leeches, announcing what would soon happen to Robb, Joffrey.

For the slower TV viewers...

I forgot about that! Who was the third one down?

[parrot 789]

I forgot about that! Who was the third one down?

 

Balon Greyjoy.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

Balon Greyjoy.

As long as Danny's safe I'm good

[CantTouchThis 23]

Believe me, they know how to get ratings, and they know that suddenly going 100% full-on fantasy nerd isn't going to help.

 

True, but his story-line has been leading towards finding the tree in his vision. What happens when he finds it is the weirdest, most fantasy-like thing that happens in the series, other than the dragons and the non-fantasy people have taken a liking to them and the magic involved with them.

[CantTouchThis 23]

We get to see the fallout on the morrow. Someone done went and change the whole damn game.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I'm thinking from now on, they will have to have an episode mostly dedicated to one location. There is too much going on and more story-lines are still coming. We haven't even seen Asha/Irra and the Iron Islands yet.

[TD Ryan2 316]

the short scenes and jumping around is somewhat problematic... but it does allow each "clip" to be jaw-dropping - whether it's a quote, act of violence, sex, confrontation, or alliance - it jumps all over the place and every time it arrives somewhere new, there's a homerun/haymaker of a scene... and I don't know if they could do that for extended periods with each storyline.

[parrot 789]

I'm thinking from now on, they will have to have an episode mostly dedicated to one location. There is too much going on and more story-lines are still coming. We haven't even seen Asha/Irra and the Iron Islands yet.

 

I would suspect there will continue to be extended scenes for critical events, like they did for the purple wedding, but I think it will continue to be the exception, not the rule. They are not going to leave the major characters for multiple episodes.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Report Card on Characters/Stories to this point:

 

Jaimie: B

the most up and down character in the book, sometimes you like him, sometimes you hate him.... the fact that we even have one shred of "like" for the Bran-tossing, sister raping Lannister is a testament to GRRMs writing. Is anyone all good or all evil?

 

Danny: B

This was the "A" story line for a while, but it's getting a bit repetitive and formulaic. See slave city. Give speech to slave city. Add in one heroic battle/act. And the city falls and slaves follow willingly.

I was hoping those barrels were filled with oil and the dragons would fly over and ignite everything.

 

Tyrion: A

We still hinge on Tyrion's story line - he is still very engaging every time he's on screen.

 

Arya/Hound: A

The new "top" story line of the show. The dialogue. The actions. The predicaments/observations. This is the best thing going in the show right now.

 

Jon Snow/Sam/Gilly: C

I just don't really care much about the Gilly angle right now, it brings the whole "Wall" story down. I'm tired of Jon Snow refusing to take charge of all the Crows.... if the Crows are really that bad a lot, why the fock are we rooting for them to begin with? So they can protect Westeros? Which is basically the Lannisters and Boltons, and Stannis, and Lysa? I think I might be rooting for the Wildlings here.

 

Stannis/Davos: C

Love Davos, but Stannis is so focking tiresome. Like Dany, they keep rehashing the same story over and over again... Red Witch, Magic, No Army, No Money, yada, yada, yada.

 

Sansa: B+

You feel bad for her, and I doubt her "new" situation is going to be much better - but I'm also getting tired of her constantly being tormented and doing little/nothing about it. The girl needs some more fight in her and at least outta' go down swinging,not wimpering.

 

Theon / Boltons: B

They've done a great job of making the Boltons loathsome - just glad Theon's storyline has moved on a bit and we know who/why the torture was taking place.

 

Marjorie/Grandmother "Q of Thorns": B

The Grandmother is a great "pwer player" in this whole story - love her scenes, love her lines.

 

BEST CHARACTERS (so far) THIS SEASON:

The Hound

Tyrion

Tywin

The Queen of Thorns

 

anytime one of these characters has a scene, it's tasty.

[CantTouchThis 23]

I think, thus far, they are doing a questionable job of the story-line at Castle Black. I really thought the battle would be in episode 1, now they are just dragging it out and adding pointless things. Lets get this battle going, because it's a really cool scene and then we can progress to bigger things.

 

Same with Dany's story-line. Lets just go and get her inside the city, which isn't even a spoiler because everyone knows that's going to happen. Honestly, her story-line from now until probably the middle of next season sucks, but they are dragging it out even more. The barrels full of the broken collars was cool though.

 

Everything else seems to be right on track, though.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Another great episode

 

It's interesting how they keep turning the tables on who is "good" and who is "bad". Jaime was a bad guy but then he got our sympathy for all he endured and showed he was a good man in how he defended that gargantuan soldier lady. Well now here he is raping his own sister. She is an evil b!tch, sure, but that crosses well over a few lines all the same.

 

The Hound was bad and then he became "good" through his buddy adventure with Arya. Now here he is beating a good man's head in and stealing his gold.

 

Tywin was an evil son of a b!tch and yet it appears he really does want what's best for the kingdom. A ruler must be merciful and just, yes, but he must also be wise. And not a psychopathic sh!tstain like the late Joffrey. I enjoy how they keep turning the characters on their head.

 

The only purely "good" characters right now are Arya, the half-man and Danny. Maybe Sansa but Chr!st she's a helpless twit. Well the half-man

may be about to meet his maker. Danny could be corrupted by power, we'll see.

 

Speaking of Danny, everyone wants to bang her. Can't blame 'em by any means. Poor Ser Jorah though--"you are my dearest friend"; translation: she ain't never focking you. Hopefully he won't be right outside the tent to hear Daario getting balls deep in the dragon queen turned liberator of slaves.

 

As far as Joffrey's death goes, we were certainly led to believe it was the old lady Tyrell. Well if it wasn't Littlefinger. Or perhaps Joffrey's own grandfather, even. But does Littlefinger have an association with House Tyrell? I seem to think he does, so the two in concert could make sense. Problem is what do they have to gain when it isn't even entirely clear that Margaery is queen? The old lady clearly plays the long game though, perhaps even more than Tywin. She remains my favorite suspect

[TD Ryan2 316]

Littlefinger, "I do not trust drunk fools" as he kills Dontos.

We hate him for it. It makes him evil. But he's right.

 

The Hound, "He was weak. They'll be dead by winter. Dead men don't need silver"

We hate him for it. It makes him evil. But he's right.

 

 

The show plays this game all the time - juxtaposing the moral path with the winning path - and usually those who choose the moral path end up losing, "How many Starks have to lose their haids before you'll get it".

[edjr 6,608]

 

The Hound was bad and then he became "good" through his buddy adventure with Arya. Now here he is beating a good man's head in and stealing his gold. silver

 

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

Littlefinger, "I do not trust drunk fools" as he kills Dontos.

We hate him for it. It makes him evil. But he's right.

 

The Hound, "He was weak. They'll be dead by winter. Dead men don't need silver"

We hate him for it. It makes him evil. But he's right.

 

 

The show plays this game all the time - juxtaposing the moral path with the winning path - and usually those who choose the moral path end up losing, "How many Starks have to lose their haids before you'll get it".

 

 

Perfectly put, as usual.

[phillybear 366]

4.3 Breaker of Chains

 

Some random thoughts. A lot of whip around from location to location akin to Game of Thrones Sportscenter.

 

Incest rape on top of the dead child King. Yeah, this show pushes the envelope. Well, it's not really rape, as Cersai was into it as who can't overpower a one armed man other than Harrison Ford. Plus, Jaime was thinking of Brock Lesnar the whole time he was thrusting.

 

Nice to see Littlefinger emerge again, fresh with new schemes to position himself closer to the throne while kidnapping Sansa, the most inept woman in the history of the universe. He clearly is working with Olenna, who is the one that probably dumped the actual poison in the cup. Olenna promised us more death "the next one should be easier". Considering all the possible candidates to kill off, she is best to choose Tywin, as he is the ying to her yang and her most formidable foe. What, by not consummating the marriage, Margaery is not the ruler? How are they justifying making Tommen the new King?

 

The Hound and Arya take advantage of the stupid farmer's hospitality and rob him of all his money. You know, I didn't feel bad about it. That farmer was just begging for someone to kill him.

 

I'm so focking sick of that big fat oaf on the Wall and his retarded looking girlfriend. Or not really a girlfriend, because sh!t for brains can't make a move. No game from Samwell 'Tard. So take a broad away from the Wall and stick her in the wh0rehouse where she is surrounded by men obsessed with focking for protection. Seriously? Protection? If you tossed her off the top of the Wall, she'd be safter.

 

Davos trying to raise an army for Stannis. This storyline is stagnating.

 

Oberlyn kissing a dude. Yuck. I'd much rather go back to the incest on top of the corpse. Tywin being a sneaky sh!t stacking the deck against Tyrion in the trial as he tries to broker a treaty with Oberlyn's House of Martel. At least they are aware of the dragons.

 

As Tyrion is saying goodbye to his squire, it occurred to me that he never game him a chance to answer if he accepted the bribe or not. I'd like to think he did. Also, duck sausage? Is there such a thing. I can't imagine the cholesterol. It's greasier than pure grease.

 

Wildings overrun a village and start to prep a meal to welcome their guests from Terminus. That was fun, watching them just roll right through those peasants.

 

A confrontation at Meereen. A duel, a pissing contest, indeed horses are dumber than men, and barrels of broken collars. Am I the only one that laughed when they killed the horse. I can't imagine which special interest group will be more outraged with this episode considering all the questionable content. Um, where were the dragons exactly. I don't think somebody would be brave enough to piss towards Daenerys if you got 3 dinosaurs with lots and lots of sharp teeth flying over the top of your head. Am I to assume they aren't going to attack Westoros anytime soon? Boo.

 

Also, don't spoil this for me, as I'm speculating. Is Bran's ability to control animals leading up to him being able to embody a dragon down the road? Will his self training lead to being able to control multiple animals at the same time, leading to him controlling all 3 dragons at the same time. An Ender's Game of sorts, or maybe The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. That might be a hell of a thing.

[edjr 6,608]

Well, it's not really rape, as Cersai was into it as who can't overpower a one armed man other than Harrison Ford.

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

Author George R.R. Martin Weighs In on Latest 'Game of Thrones' Controversy

 

Author George R.R. Martin, whose books are the basis of the HBO hit "Game of Thrones," was among those sounding off about the latest in a series of controversies involving the fantasy series. For anyone following the series on DVR, or who otherwise may not have already seen Sunday's episode, this is your spoiler alert.

 

"Lately, every week seems to bring a new 'Game of Thrones' controversy, and true to form Sunday's episode, 'Breaker of Chains,' included a plot twist that has ignited a firestorm of debate online," the L.A. Times' Show Tracker reports. "In the scene in question, Cersei is grieving over the dead body of her son, King Joffrey, when Jaime, her brother/former lover/Joffrey's father, brutally forces himself on her. 'You're a hateful woman,' he says, as she repeatedly begs him to stop. 'Why have the gods made me love a hateful woman?' The scene stands out as perhaps the most shocking, taboo-breaking ever on a series that has already depicted a pregnant woman being stabbed to death in the stomach."

 

Online backlash has been intense, with critics of the scene lashing out at showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff for altering the source material in Martin's book " A Storm of Swords."

 

"Though Martin is known for inflicting untold brutality on his characters, in his version the sex between Jaime and Cersei, though incestuous and highly inappropriate given the context, appears to be consensual," the Times notes. The report notes that critics "have argued that the showrunners are simply using Cersei's assault as 'a shock tactic' and a cheap prop that contributes to rape culture."

 

The author addressed the controversy Monday on his blog. "Though he did not specifically defend the changes made in the series, he points out that the original scene from 'A Storm of Swords' was told only from Jaime's point of view, perhaps making it less straightforward than some have suggested," the story reports.

 

Martin reportedly wrote: "The reader is inside [Jaime's] head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing."

 

The report notes that showrunner Weiss has addressed gender issues on the show, saying: "The world of the show may not have a tremendous amount of respect for what the women of the show are capable of, but the show itself does.

 

The Times report adds: "But at the A.V. Club, Sonya Saraiya points out that the Jaime-Cersei scene is not the first rape invented for the show -- that Khal Drogo's rape of Daenerys in the series pilot is clearly consensual in Martin's book. She argues that '"Game Of Thrones" is falling into the same trap that so much television does -- exploitation for shock value. And, in particular, the exploitation of womens bodies.'"

 

Not everyone involved with the show is in full agreement that a rape even took place in Sunday's episode.

 

The Times reports: "Director Alex Graves told both Vulture and HitFix that Jaime and Cersei's encounter was 'consensual by the end.' And when asked in an interview with The Daily Beast whether Jaime's actions constituted rape, actor Nikolaj Coster-Waldau said, 'Yes, and no.'"

 

Coster-Waldau added: "I think that, for some people, its just going to look like rape. The intention is that its not just that; its about two people whove had this connection for so many years, and much of it is physical, and much of it has had to be kept secret, and this is almost the last thing left now. Its him trying to force her back and make him whole again because of his stupid hand.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-game-of-thrones-rape-scene-controversy-20140422,0,1984660.story#axzz2zkcrqpdS

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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-game-of-thrones-rape-scene-controversy-20140422,0,1984660.story#axzz2zkcrqpdS

Yeah they kinda focked that scene up. Whatever their intent, it definitely looked like a rape. The book scene made a lot more sense where it was the first time they had seen each other, and Cersei was clearly into it.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Yeah they kinda focked that scene up. Whatever their intent, it definitely looked like a rape. The book scene made a lot more sense where it was the first time they had seen each other, and Cersei was clearly into it.

Yeah... the whole Cersei not being into him anymore is completely baffling to me. It doesn't make any sense in regards to Jamie's overall story arc. As a matter of fact, it seems to work against it.