Albert Haynesworthless to the Patriots ?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Salary is not guaranteed money. They can cut him at any point and only have to pay him for the games he was on the team. There will be no accelerated cap hit.

 

That is not the case.

 

If a veteran, like Haynesworth, is on the roster on Day 1 of the regular season, then his full salary for that season becomes guaranteed. You are confusing future seasons not being guaranteed with cap hits and payments being tied to actual games on the roster.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Salary is not guaranteed money. They can cut him at any point and only have to pay him for the games he was on the team. There will be no accelerated cap hit.

 

Exactly. There is no risk in this deal. The Pats can cut him whenever they want without a big cap hit. Yes they have to pay him some decent money if they keep him around, but then again if he doesn't cause big problems then he is probably worth decent money. This is a good move by the Pats even though I was initially a little skeptical.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Exactly. There is no risk in this deal. The Pats can cut him whenever they want without a big cap hit. Yes they have to pay him some decent money if they keep him around, but then again if he doesn't cause big problems then he is probably worth decent money. This is a good move by the Pats even though I was initially a little skeptical.

 

I thought that there was no risk yesterday until I read all of the stuff that this guy has said and done during his time in Washington. This guy is a nutcase and could cause some problems in the locker room. With that said, I still think that he has some serious talent to help this team and his upside it really high. I am sure that they will keep an eye on everything he does during camp and will cut him if he is not a model citizen during that short period of time.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Asa guy who was a fan of Tennessee (college) when Haynesworth was there, and a Titans fan, I think I can speak to Haynesworth.

 

1. He is crazy. That face stomping incident... wasn't roid rage or just anger, he completely broke from reality for a while. He stood around on the sideline after like he didn't know where he was.

 

2. He is lazy as hell. John Henderson was vastly the better tackle of the two at UT. Then, he did very little during his first few seasons with the Titans. It was only in his contract year he became A force. Then, he goes to Washington, and completely stole his new money. I was glad as hell the Titans didn't resign him back then.

 

There is almost no chance he resumes the ONE YEAR of dominant form he ever had. The Pats will simply be the next team he steals money from. And possibly be the next team he is representing when he psychotically mauls someone.

 

THat said, I hate the pats, so enjoy!

[Ben Roethlisberger 0]

Haven't really been following this. Any updates?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Haven't really been following this. Any updates?

 

 

Fat Albert still too out of shape to practice.

[Me_2006 14]

If the Patriots did it, you can bet it was a good move. There are exceptions but I wouldn't bet against them.

[edjr 6,608]

of course he was out of shape. Up until 3 days ago he thought he was still on the lowly Redskins.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

of course he was out of shape. Up until 3 days ago he thought he was still on the lowly Redskins.

And so it begins.

[NewbieJr 541]

I think Chad Johnson will pay dividends. Haynesworth will be off the roster by mid-season.

[donhaas 18]

If the Patriots did it, you can bet it was a good move.

 

If you say so!

 

 

BTW, have you guys heard this new song?

 

Shake it.... shake it..... shake it like a polaroid picture!!!!

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw&ob=av3e

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

Updated Jul 31, 2011 5:10 PM ET

 

Smells like desperation and arrogance, to me. Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco.

 

Because the moves were engineered by Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots, the acquisitions of Haynesworth and Ochocinco are being spun as low risk and high reward, no different from Belichick nabbing Corey Dillon and Randy Moss.

 

Maybe. Or maybe they’re something else entirely, an indication that more than four months of idle time was just long enough for Belichick to fall completely in love with his press clippings and believe he can salvage anyone.

 

In my view, there are major differences between Dillon/Moss and Haynesworth/Ochocinco.

 

Albert Haynesworth has no love for football. He plays the game because he’s good at it and it financially rewards him. The money he bilked the Redskins for is all he ever wanted from the game. Mission accomplished.

 

He has no desire to be an all-time great. His effort will always be inconsistent. He is not Randy Moss, an edge player whose penchant for taking plays off can be worked around. Haynesworth, a defensive tackle, is a cancer at the heart of a defense. His unwillingness to work breaks down the entire unit. Defenses are built on trust, gap control and every man filling his lane. You can’t have trust with Haynesworth in the middle of your defense.

 

Belichick is a defensive coach. Previously when the Patriots have added a shady character it has been on the offensive side of the ball. Rodney Harrison does not count. No one ever questioned Harrison’s desire to play football or fill a gap. Harrison loved the game.

 

 

 

Nope. Haynesworth is different. He’s a poisoned soul. The Boston Globe ran a timeline of his troubled past. For the past decade, he has consistently gotten in trouble on and off the field. He has been accused of physical and sexual assault. He is scheduled to go on trial Aug. 23 on charges of fondling a waitress.

 

Does Haynesworth’s rap sheet make him different from Corey Dillon or other NFL lawbreakers? No. But, again, no one questioned Dillon’s love of the game. He was a beast for seven seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals, rushing for more than 1,000 yards six straight seasons.

 

I realize the Patriots can simply cut Haynesworth without a significant financial hit if he doesn’t work out during the preseason. But Haynesworth is so unpredictable and moody that the worst-case scenario is that things go well the first half of the season and the players begin to depend on him and he reverts to Fat Albert in December or January.

 

The Haynesworth addition is pure arrogance. It’s born from Belichick’s belief that he and his system can save every lost soul.

 

Belichick’s base defense is a 3-4. Haynesworth bucked against the Redskins because he did not want to play in a 3-4 scheme. Haynesworth is happy and (occasionally) motivated on a football field when he’s free to get up field and make plays in the backfield. Plugging multiple gaps and freeing linebackers to make plays do not make Albert happy.

 

 

 

I don’t get it.

 

And I don’t get Ochocinco, either.

 

It’s a myth that Ochocinco has some great love of football. Ochocinco has a love of attention. He spent the entire offseason attention-whoring. He rode bulls and race cars. He tried out for soccer. He did whatever he could to attract the attention of ESPN cameras.

 

Sound familiar?

 

It’s the same act he pulls on the football field. The alleged Patriots Way is that no man is bigger than the team. From the name on the back of his jersey, Ochocinco contradicts Belichick’s philosophy.

 

It does not matter that Belichick and Ochocinco have a weird, opposites-attract affinity.

 

Ochocinco is no longer a big-time talent. He’s at the end of his career/15 minutes. He has been rewarded for horrible habits, including undisciplined route running that will frustrate Tom Brady.

 

Like Haynesworth, Ochocinco might mask the shortcomings that tormented Carson Palmer. But what will happen in December and January when the spotlight is greatest?

 

Ochocinco is not Randy Moss. Ochocinco will not run by corners on nine routes. Ochocinco is a quicker Wes Welker, which means trust, precise routes and fearlessness will determine whether Brady and Ochocinco work well together.

 

Study tape of the Bengals. Carson Palmer could not trust Ochocinco.

 

I don’t like these moves by Belichick. If I’m proved wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.

 

Today it smells like desperation and arrogance. And maybe a little bit of fear of the Jets and Rex Ryan.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Jason_Whitlock

[MDC 7,492]

Haynesworth is a fat slob who spent the past 2 years eating Ho-Hos - I'll be astounded if he even plays significant snaps this year. The Pats are just the latest team for him to steal from.

[Yer mom 2]

The Pats are just the latest team for him to steal from.

 

I'll be amazed if it plays out this way. If so, the magic of Belichic/Brady is officially yesterdays news

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Haynesworth is a fat slob who spent the past 2 years eating Ho-Hos - I'll be astounded if he even plays significant snaps this year. The Pats are just the latest team for him to steal from.

 

The Redskins already paid Albert all of his guaranteed money. So he really can't "steal from" the Patriots at all, unless they kept him on the roster despite him not doing sh!t (as you hypothesize will be the case). Bottom line is Albert gets a chance to prove himself in training camp and pre-season. If he doesn't, he's gone. The Pats aren't out much in trade compensation and they don't owe him any guaranteed money.

[edjr 6,608]

The Redskins already paid Albert all of his guaranteed money. So he really can't "steal from" the Patriots at all, unless they kept him on the roster despite him not doing sh!t (as you hypothesize will be the case). Bottom line is Albert gets a chance to prove himself in training camp and pre-season. If he doesn't, he's gone. The Pats aren't out much in trade compensation and they don't owe him any guaranteed money.

 

 

Too much for a mere simpleton to comprehend.

[drobeski 3,061]

19-0

[MDC 7,492]

 

Too much for a mere simpleton to comprehend.

 

What you don't get is that lazy players who just don't give a chit become cancers in the locker room.

 

No wonder the Pats haven't won anything in years.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

No wonder the Pats haven't won anything in years.

 

 

Says the Philthy Thugles fan.

[TD Ryan2 316]

It's almost comical how polarizing and marquee the NE Patriots are.

Fans and writers across the country are always so interested and opinionated on everything in NE.

The opinions are frequently wrong though, as we look back through some of those marquee moments:

 

Rodney Harrison - he's a bad guy, a cheap shot headhunter who will not help NE's young secondary. SD had rightly given up on him b/c/ he had lost a step and is no longer capable in coverage.

 

Richard Seymour - NE should have taken David Terrell. If this Brady guy is really anything more than a system QB, he'll need an eliter WR.

 

Mike Vrabel - who? this guy is a cast off from the Steelers, if anyone knows LBs, it's PIT. NE will have some concerns if this guy is a starter for them.

 

Roosevelt Colvin - the BEST FA linebacker out there. NE has really turner their LB group into a dominant one now. Great signing.

 

Corey Dillon - a malcontent and cancer in the locker room. He's just not the runner he once was and should have been benched in CIN long before this.

 

Adalius Thomas - brilliant move by NE. Adalius is a perfect fit for the NE defense capable as both a rusher and a pass defender.

 

Wes Welker - NE just overpaid big time with a second rounder for a guy who's little more that a special teams returner.

 

Randy Moss - yada, yada, yada, washed up, cancer, no love for football, no effort, etc.

 

 

Here's the thing - we've been here before with NE and you don't know... you HAVE NO IDEA, neither do the reporters, columnists, etc. Speculate all you want. Opine all you want. But it all means nothing.

We will know once they start playing and as a fan of the team, I expect more of the usual - NE will have gotten it right, AGAIN - and I will just shake my head and laugh.

[NewbieJr 541]

I'll be amazed if it plays out this way. If so, the magic of Belichic/Brady is officially yesterdays news

Bellichick/Brady haven't won a single playoff game since the season they got caught cheating. The 'magic' has been proven to be a result of the cheating. They are just a good regular season team when the playing field is level.

[edjr 6,608]

It's almost comical how polarizing and marquee the NE Patriots are.

Fans and writers across the country are always so interested and opinionated on everything in NE.

The opinions are frequently wrong though, as we look back through some of those marquee moments:

 

 

 

 

Here's the thing - we've been here before with NE and you don't know... you HAVE NO IDEA, neither do the reporters, columnists, etc. Speculate all you want. Opine all you want. But it all means nothing.

We will know once they start playing and as a fan of the team, I expect more of the usual - NE will have gotten it right, AGAIN - and I will just shake my head and laugh.

 

Well said.

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

Well said.

even Boston sports radio is guilty of all the speculation and wrong-ness.

Whitlock says, "if I'm wrong" yada, yada, yada- but it means nothing - they've all been wrong before MANY times yet the still continue to dish out their opinions.

 

And please understand, it's not just the opinions bashing NE, it's the ones praising them too.

 

My current favorit is this notinon that Belichick will get Haynewsorth to "toe the line" - this whole idea that Haynewsorth is some "reclamation" project for Belichick and Bill already has a bunch of "reclamation notches" in his belt.

 

I DON'T THINK SO.

BB isn't going to have some heart-to-heart wtih Albert - there won't be some "win one for the Gipper" or even a, "you'll be in timeout!" speech. It is much colder and more business-like than that. Albert knows he can redeem himself and (more importantly) make a LOT more MONEY, BB knows he's got Albert in that position.

 

Perhaps the biggest combo of Talent and Problems EVER was Lawrence Taylor - BB cut his teeth coaching LT... the Haynesworth situation is chicken-feed compared to LT and the Giants.

[MDC 7,492]

I don't doubt that Haynesworth has talent and could contribute. My issue is that he's a sloth who does care about football, and after 2 years of dogging it I doubt he has the work ethic to turn it around. I think those kinds of players are deadly to team morale and FA isn't a guy I'd let anywhere near my team.

 

You guys are awfully defensive.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

I don't doubt that Haynesworth has talent and could contribute. My issue is that he's a sloth who does care about football, and after 2 years of dogging it I doubt he has the work ethic to turn it around. I think those kinds of players are deadly to team morale and FA isn't a guy I'd let anywhere near my team.

 

You guys are awfully defensive.

They went from great to can't-win-a-playoff-game-without-cheating. In the 30 for 30 that explains the demise of the Pats, Haynesworth will have his name above the title.

[redtodd 7]

Bellichick/Brady haven't won a single playoff game since the season they got caught cheating. The 'magic' has been proven to be a result of the cheating. They are just a good regular season team when the playing field is level.

 

They beat the Jaguars and the Chargers after Spygate. Please make an attempt at hinting at intelligence.

[redtodd 7]

What you don't get is that lazy players who just don't give a chit become cancers in the locker room.

 

No wonder the Pats haven't won anything in years.

 

So by that rational, the Redskins should be a great team this year now that they got rid of him.

 

Also, the Eagles wanted this cancer as well (but the Redskins were scared of him being motivated to beat his old team). No wonder the Eagles have never won anything.

[NewbieJr 541]

They beat the Jaguars and the Chargers after Spygate. Please make an attempt at hinting at intelligence.

Reread what I wrote, Einstein. They beat those teams in the same season they got caught cheating. 2007 seaon. They haven't won a playoff game since that year. Get smarter, please. And take off the homer glasses. Mr Clutch QB isn't so clutch anymore. And Mr Genius coach, isn't so genius.

 

Yes, cheating helps. That's why it's against the rules. hth

[donhaas 18]

We will know once they start playing and as a fan of the team, I expect more of the usual - NE will have gotten it right, AGAIN - and I will just shake my head and laugh.

 

What's "more of the usual"? A home loss to the heavy underdog Jets?

 

I think you guys do have a snotty attitude towards the rest of the league in that Belicheck is a genius and everything the Patriots do is genius... and everybody who doesn't think so are just hatas.....

 

But I think you're going to find us less and less reveling in your genius as the dates on your last Lombardi trophy reach a decade in the past and beyond....

 

 

You're this close to becoming the Spin Doctors.... except this is not '92 and a sold out Madison Square Garden..... this is '11 and you're playing Grumpy Troll Fest in River Falls, WI!

 

 

Opening for Kajagoogoo!

[TD Ryan2 316]

I think you guys do have a snotty attitude towards the rest of the league in that Belicheck is a genius and everything the Patriots do is genius...

I'm guilty donnie - I do think Belichick is smarter/better than most of the coaches out there... I do think that Kraft is one of it not THE best owners out there... I do think Brady is one of the best QBs.

GUILTY.

I don't see any reason to apologize for that.

[donhaas 18]

I'm guilty donnie - I do think Belichick is smarter/better than most of the coaches out there... I do think that Kraft is one of it not THE best owners out there... I do think Brady is one of the best QBs.

GUILTY.

I don't see any reason to apologize for that.

 

 

Just wish you guys could be a little more humble sometimes.... like Packer fans

[TD Ryan2 316]

Just wish you guys could be a little more humble sometimes.... like Packer fans

Wisconsin = Lavern, Shirley, Lenny, and Squiggy

Massachusetts = The Kennedys

 

we're plenty humble, we've just been marketed poorly.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

I do think Belichick is smarter/better than most of the coaches out there... I do think that Kraft is one of it not THE best owners out there... I do think Brady is one of the best QBs.

I'll agree on all 3 counts. Which is why this move is mystifying. Sometimes Belichick has this attitude where he has to prove that he is the smartest guy in the room. If he gets a season of production from Fat Al, he'll prove it to me. He won't. If he gets 5 games, I'll be surprised.

[drobeski 3,061]

Just wish you guys could be a little more humble sometimes.... like Packer fans

Be happy don you got your 1 championship for the decade, see you in 10-15 years

[donhaas 18]

Be happy don you got your 1 championship for the decade, see you in 10-15 years

 

You'll see me in 10-15 years? I haven't seen you since this song was all the rage!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSPhCS-15eE

[TD Ryan2 316]

If he gets a season of production from Fat Al, he'll prove it to me.

will he?

Although I don't believe he cares if you, me, or anyone else, reporters included, thinks he the smartest in the room, would this really be the last thing he as to do to "prove it to you"?

If so, that's kinda' silly... that's your litmus test? that's the last straw for you to finally change your mind?

 

BB had made tons of "questionable" or "debatable" decisions. And the fact is the is comes out in his favor MOST of the time.

[MDC 7,492]

So by that rational, the Redskins should be a great team this year now that they got rid of him.

 

Also, the Eagles wanted this cancer as well (but the Redskins were scared of him being motivated to beat his old team). No wonder the Eagles have never won anything.

 

The Redskins won't be any worse without him, something you usually don't want to say about a $100 million free agent. I remember reading some speculation thy Fat Albert would follow Washburn to Philly but so far as I know the team never had him for a visit or made any inquiries. I can tell you in all honesty I'd rather have Cullen Jenkins an most other players who enjoy football and aren't just in it to make their latest payday.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

I can tell you in all honesty I'd rather have Cullen Jenkins an most other players who enjoy football and aren't just in it to make their latest payday.

Actually Haynesworth has taken it a step further by trying to get paid while working as hard as he can NOT to play.

 

He'll have his first tweak by Thursday. Which will be casually accepted by the team. He'll take day-to-day to the absolute limit before returning for a few reps but certainly not in shape enough for the 1st pre-season game. Which will be casually accepted by the team. And so on.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Every successful team has sanctimonious fans. The thing that makes the Pats so annoying to me is this "Patriots Way" bullsh!t. The facts are that, without Brady, none of those super bowl wins happen. Other than Brady, their roster has been pretty damn mediocre.

 

So yeah. If you fluke into drafting a first ballot hall of fame QB in the sixth round, I guess that makes you look pretty good. Pretty easy to build a great team from there.

 

And yes, there have been a few good FA acquisitions, Dillon, Moss, and Welker most notably.

 

But quite frankly, the Pats seem to me to draft pretty poorly. Their running backs suck, and have for years. Their defense sucks, and has for years. None of these problems ever seem to get addressed, but yet Bellicheck is a focking genius for stockpiling draft picks that could be used to help the team.

 

And that's not even getting into the cheating thing. Sure, any player will play better for a year or two when they are coming from some crap team like the Bengals to a championship caliber team. But I don't see this "B & B can turn any turd into a diamond" crap. Simply not factual.

[drobeski 3,061]

Every successful team has sanctimonious fans. The thing that makes the Pats so annoying to me is this "Patriots Way" bullsh!t. The facts are that, without Brady, none of those super bowl wins happen. Other than Brady, their roster has been pretty damn mediocre.

 

So yeah. If you fluke into drafting a first ballot hall of fame QB in the sixth round, I guess that makes you look pretty good. Pretty easy to build a great team from there.

 

And yes, there have been a few good FA acquisitions, Dillon, Moss, and Welker most notably.

 

But quite frankly, the Pats seem to me to draft pretty poorly. Their running backs suck, and have for years. Their defense sucks, and has for years. None of these problems ever seem to get addressed, but yet Bellicheck is a focking genius for stockpiling draft picks that could be used to help the team.

 

And that's not even getting into the cheating thing. Sure, any player will play better for a year or two when they are coming from some crap team like the Bengals to a championship caliber team. But I don't see this "B & B can turn any turd into a diamond" crap. Simply not factual.

Good point, he sure ain't no Jeff fisher